Religion - A view point from logical point of view
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By the way it sort of occurred to me, just saying, in the case of the Israelis, if they were indeed attacked by Hamas from several public areas in Gaza, using people as human shields, then the Israelis were right in their way in warning the Gaza civilians before destroying their homes, hospitals, etc, and killing the people wherever they found them, since they were acting in self-defense and the Gaza people violated the peace first, especially seeing these verses which they could also take example from, following The Golden-plated Brazen Rule
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
9123 O you who believe, fight those who are around you of the rejecters, and let them find strength in you; and know that God is with the righteous.
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By the way it sort of occurred to me, just saying, in the case of the Israelis, if they were indeed attacked by Hamas from several public areas in Gaza, using people as human shields, then the Israelis were right in their way in warning the Gaza civilians before destroying their homes, hospitals, etc, and killing the people wherever they found them, since they were acting in self-defense and the Gaza people violated the peace first, especially seeing these verses which they could also take example from, following The Golden-plated Brazen Rule
So you're saying that Israel has the right to bomb Gaza (which kills plenty of civilians while destroying homes) just because a militia group fired some missiles at Israhell?
The people of Gaza never violated any peace first. There is this misconception that Hamas somehow fires missiles randomly at Israel which is not true at all. Prior to the missiles being fired at Israel - Israel always arrests Hamas members which is why Hamas decides to fire missiles as a response. That's one of the reasons. Another one is the fact that the Israelies are occupying Palestine especially the West Bank were Palestinian homes are being bulldozed and replaced with 'Jewish' settlements. Israel must be really happy on the fact it can use the 'Human shield' excuse for every civilian it kills. Israelies are a bunch of theorist nutjobs that comes up with the worst theories ever. Israelies have killed each more than Hamas has ever killed Israelies. If a Palestinian was to kill an Israeli he would have his/her home bulldozed while getting executed but if an Israeli kills a Palestinian he/she only gets jail. That's an example of Israeli stupidity. Israel never acts in self-defense - No instead Israel always finds some way to provoke the Palestinians by either arresting some Palestinian randomly or having one of its extremists killing a Palestinian and after a Palestinian militia group responds whether it be the PLO or Hamas then Israel begins to cry about how a recent militia group fired missiles at its land because It's a 'Jewish' homeland and suddenly it's all on the news were people assume that the militia group started it.
Israeli warcrime
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Also the Israelies are the aggressors and not the Palestinians. The Israelies were orginally European Jewish Immigrants that were forced into Palestine by the British empire- These European Jewish Immigrants formed their own Jewish nationalist groups in Palestine and terrorized the Palestinian Arabs. The Palestinian Arabs(Consisting of both Palestinian Christians and Muslims) launched several revolts against the British empire as a response to the occupation and the forced Immigration of European Jews. Sadly more and more European Jews were pumped into Palestine by the British empire. Later on these European Jews began to terrorize the Arab Jews in the Arab countries so they could bring them to Israel because they needed Arab Jews to contribute in their moronic society. A Jewish state has absolutely NO right to exist- Jews have no culture, language or traditions of their own. What many must understand is that 'Jew' is no ethnicity - A Jew is an an adherent of Judaism, and Judaism is definently not an ethnicity or even a nationality- It's a religion started by an Israelite and over the thousands of years that have gone by many people converted to Judaism. Hebrew is not a Jewish language in the same way Arabic is not a Muslim language. Hebrew is an Israelite language which was spoken by Moses(An Israelite Jew). If Moses were to become an atheist, he'd be known as an Israelite atheist and not as an Israelite Jew atheist or whatever. A Palestinian is MORE likely to be the native of Palestine than a European Jew.
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
It's obvious that this verse is refering to the Pagans in Mecca.
Israel = Islamic State = Terrorism.
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Israel never acts in self-defense - No instead Israel always finds some way to provoke the Palestinians by either arresting randomly somebody or having one of its extremists killing a Palestinian and after a Palestinian militia group responds whether it be the PLO or Hamas then Israel begins to cry about how a recent militia group fired missiles at its land because It's a 'Jewish' homeland and suddenly it's all on the news were people assume that the militia group started it.
You can't really blame them, Israel is surrounded by people who wants to kill/nuke all of them if they can. The hatred of Jews is deeply rooted among Muslims, even those who did not meet any. Palestinians had rather destroy Israel once and for all than have a discussion with them, and make a treaty with them on distribution of lands and co-exist peacefully. Till they can manage this peace with the Jews they will most likely keep suffering and having their economy going downhill.
A Jewish state has absolutely NO right to exist- Jews have no culture, language or traditions of their own. What many must understand is that 'Jew' is no ethnicity - A Jew is an an adherent of Judaism, and Judaism is definently not an ethnicity or even a nationality- It's a religion started by an Israelite and over the thousands of years that have gone by many people converted to Judaism.
I thought the place in Palestine was originally the homeland of Jews, who are mainly Israelis, a few thousand years ago? Islam and history also proves it. And Palestine did not even exist back then, it is Palestinians who are mainly a combination of other races.
Whatever it is, Jews are basically homeless now, after not having a land of their own for so much of time in history. Palestine is big enough I believe, even if their intrusion was uncalled for and perhaps unfair to begin with. Palestinians could still have managed to accommodate them through some level of empathy and co-exist peacefully. Especially after seeing that bloody wars do not avail them. But then Palestinians are still held on the idea that one day Israel would be nuked and destroyed once and for all. Israel knows this all too well, that's why they are being very careful regarding their defense system (which costs them much of their money) and arresting or executing Palestinians, because they know how they plot in turn for their demise and hate them in their hearts and bones. Much of the hate is also religious based.
It's obvious that this verse is refering to the Pagans in Mecca.
Yeah, and the reason why it exists in the Quran in the first place is to give lessons to the rest of the Muslim believers. The 'kill them wherever you find them' I believe is the worst statement possible, and very anti-humanistic, present in a holy book. We don't need so much of graphic details on what actually happens during a war time.
Peace,
Samira
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peace Samira1234,
Do you often quote statements out of context?
Yeah, and the reason why it exists in the Quran in the first place is to give lessons to the rest of the Muslim believers. The 'kill them wherever you find them' I believe is the worst statement possible, and very anti-humanistic, present in a holy book.
95 begins with "fa" which is a resumption particle, i.e. it resumes what it was talking about. If you, and others, bothered to read the context you might realise the conditional circumstances of the statement.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5#(951)
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You can't really blame them, Israel is surrounded by people who wants to kill/nuke all of them if they can. The hatred of Jews is deeply rooted among Muslims, even those who did not meet any. Palestinians had rather destroy Israel once and for all than have a discussion with them, and make a treaty with them on distribution of lands and co-exist peacefully. Till they can manage this peace with the Jews they will most likely keep suffering and having their economy going downhill.
I thought the place in Palestine was originally the homeland of Jews, who are mainly Israelis, a few thousand years ago? Islam and history also proves it. And Palestine did not even exist back then, it is Palestinians who are mainly a combination of other races.
Whatever it is, Jews are basically homeless now, after not having a land of their own for so much of time in history. Palestine is big enough I believe, even if their intrusion was uncalled for and perhaps unfair to begin with. Palestinians could still have managed to accommodate them through some level of empathy and co-exist peacefully. Especially after seeing that bloody wars do not avail them. But then Palestinians are still held on the idea that one day Israel would be nuked and destroyed once and for all. Israel knows this all too well, that's why they are being very careful regarding their defense system (which costs them much of their money) and arresting or executing Palestinians, because they know how they plot in turn for their demise and hate them in their hearts and bones. Much of the hate is also religious based.
Yeah, and the reason why it exists in the Quran in the first place is to give lessons to the rest of the Muslim believers. The 'kill them wherever you find them' I believe is the worst statement possible, and very anti-humanistic, present in a holy book. We don't need so much of graphic details on what actually happens during a war time.
Peace,
Samira
You can't really blame them, Israel is surrounded by people who wants to kill/nuke all of them if they can. The hatred of Jews is deeply rooted among Muslims, even those who did not meet any. Palestinians had rather destroy Israel once and for all than have a discussion with them, and make a treaty with them on distribution of lands and co-exist peacefully. Till they can manage this peace with the Jews they will most likely keep suffering and having their economy going downhill.
Israel is not surrounded by 'evil MOOZLEM HORDES' that wants to destroy it. Most groups that opposes Israel are secular Arab nationalist groups(Many of them base their ideology on Communism) that tend to sometimes mix Arab nationalism with Islam which is sad. The PFLP(Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) was started by a Palestinian Christian. Ba'athism was started by Palestinian Christian along with a Muslim and an atheist. Many Arab Christians fought against Israel too. Many Arabs who were fighting Israel during 1973 and 1948 were Arabs of many religions. Arab- Druze, Christian and Muslims attacked Israeli forces on sight. Many Arab nationalist groups don't care about Israel but they want give the Palestinians their land back and they don't like it when the Israelies occupy Palestine. Hey, Israel can go and occupy the US or a country in Europe and the Arab nationalist groups or the neighboors of Palestine will not care anymore. It's simple; You occupy Palestine and you'll get hundreds of enemies. The Palestinians were not Arabized for nothing- They are a part of our 'brethren'. If the Europeans harm them then the Europeans will be wiped off the map.
Israel is not 'surrounded' by anybody. Israelies don't belong in the Middle-east anyway; They're European/Soviet Jews that should have stayed in Europe. People should stop acting as if Israel is surrounded by anybody- The fact is that Israelies have no right to be in the Levant in the first place. And it's no wonder that many Middle-eastern nations want to get rid of Israel because it's occupying Palestinian land.
I strong support in removing Israel. I absolutely see no reason for why Israel(A Jewish homeland) should exist. I'll oppose any religious homelands(Whether it be 'Jewish' or 'Muslim' despite how many times they pretend to be 'democratic' or 'secular'. Two examples of religious homeland is Israel and the Islamic State. You have Israel that is a 'Jewish' homeland in the same way the Islamic State is a 'muslim' homeland (It has nothing to do with Muslims). I'm 110% anti-Jewish homeland(NOT Anti-semite though - I'm semite myself) and 110% anti-ISIS/anti-Islamic homeland. 'Jew' is no ethnicity or even a nationality- It's equally as terrible as the Islamic State. The only difference is? Israel has managed to sugarcoat its state and history by acting 'democratic' while trying to fool the Westerners that it's a 'democratic' nation and that it always tries to reduce 'causilities' although it doesn't. If you criticize Israel, you'll be called an anti-semite meanwhile Israel cooperates with Nazi/Fasict right-wing political parties in Europe. What a joke Israel and its fanboys are!
Till they can manage this peace with the Jews they will most likely keep suffering and having their economy going downhill.
Not really. It's the failure of the Arab governments to help Palestine. We have enough oil to annilihate Israel and NATO combined but instead Arab oil-money goes to European prostitutes, some South-Asian countries, more mosques in Europe and worst of all to Wahabbism. When the Arab world adopts nationalism like it used to do once then Israel will vanish from the Middle-east. The Western nations don't want this- They want Shariah law in the Arab countries which is why they support Wahabbism(A radical primitive religious ideology). Rather for the Arab countries to send billions of dollars to Gaza they prefer to put money on the South-Asian countries that don't really deserve that oil-money. The oil-money should go to health, science and education in the Arab countries and not to the South-Asian countries. But our countries are run by dictators/clowns that have taken over the oil-fields. It's not suprising if the oil-money is going to European prostitutes for Jabba- Erm I mean Abdullah. The Arab countries getting rid of monarcy dictatorship while establishing democracy in the proccess and Ron paul being elected for president will remove Israel 100% from the Middle-east which is perfect. Today the US VETOEs all the resolutions being put on Israel(which is how Israel gets away with all its crimes) meanwhile it sends $3 billions of dollars a year to Israel.
The Arabs have enough oil to annilihate Israel and NATO combined. We have enough oil to put us ahead of Europe ten times. There are many Arab scientists living in the US which would be great if they came back and contributed for their own countries instead. The US is too pathetic that feeds on Middle-eastern Immigration. Some people working at NASA are Iranians like Firouz Naderi or Bobak Ferdowsi. There are many Arab scientists in the US; these people should come back to their Arab countries and let the West rot. Iran which is not an Arab country has brilliant people living in the West. Sadly today the Gulf-countries are trying to attack Iran by creating sectarian wars with their oil-money. It's sad that oil-money is given to a bunch of barbarians (The Royal family). The Royal family has contributed ZERO to the Arab world and is only destroying the Arab world by trying to attack Iran, allowing the Europeans to walk into the Arab world, funding terrorism in the Arab countries, sending resources to the South-Asian countries and not the other Arab countries and so on. The Arab countries could easily annilihate Israel.
Rather for the Arab countries to send oil-money to the children of Africa or the Syrian/Palestinian refugees they prefer to send it to warmongering European/ American savages(The same moronic Europeans and Americans that created Israel). But it's not only the fact that the oil-money goes to the wrong people but also to the wrong things. The Saudi regime spends $3 billions of dollars a year on Wahabbism which is ruining Saudi-Arabia or the fact that the Saudi regime spends billions of dollars on more mosques in Europe which only benefits the European economy. The Europeans don't want that the Arab countries to become democratic and controlled by nationalism because then Europe would loose billions of dollars worth of contract and the Arab countries would be ahead of the European countries ten times.
I thought the place in Palestine was originally the homeland of Jews, who are mainly Israelis, a few thousand years ago? Islam and history also proves it. And Palestine did not even exist back then, it is Palestinians who are mainly a combination of other races.
It's not the ORGINAL homeland of the Jews but rather the orginal homeland for the ISRAELITES. And the Jews are not mainly Israelies- I'd say that there are more Jews in the US than in Israel. Islam and history does not prove that the Israelies/Jews belong in Israel at all. The Qur'an does not mention(Not even once) a 'Jewish' homeland or an 'Israeli' homeland. You need to learn the difference between 'Israelites', 'Jews' and 'Israelies'. Sadly many people assume that 'Jew' and 'Israelite' or 'Israeli' and 'Israelite' is the same which is wrong. Saying that all Jews belong in Israel is like saying that all Muslims belong in Saudi-Arabia.
Nowhere does the Qur'an mention the ISRAELIES or the JEWS.. It mentions an ISRAELITE homeland(A Middle-eastern tribe that existed thousands of years ago long before these Euro trash showed up). Quite hilariously, the term 'Israeli' is only a European parody on the Israelites.
From the Qur'an
O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.
And We gave Musa the Book and made it a guidance to the children of Israel, saying Do not take a protector besides Me;
And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice, and most certainly you will behave insolently with great insolence.
And certainly We gave Musa nine clear signs; so ask the children of Israel. When he came to them, Firon said to him Most surely I deem you, O Musa, to be a man deprived of reason.
And We said to the Israelites after him Dwell in the land and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.
Conclusion Nowhere does the Qur'an mention the ISRAELIES or the JEWS.. So no Allah was not a Zionist because he does not support a Jewish homeland and neither did he support an Israeli homeland.. He rather supported an ISRAELITE homeland according to the Qur'an. Allah refers to the Israelites as 'the children of Israel' several times in the Qur'an. The children of Israel were the Israelites in the same way the children of America were its citizens i.e the Americans. ABSOLUTELY nowhere does God mention a Jewish homeland or an Israeli homeland - No he/she/whatever mentions an ISRAELITE homeland instead.
And NOT ALL Israelites were Jews- Many Israelites left their religion to avoid being killed by either the Roman empire or the European Crusaders.
And Palestine did not even exist back then, it is Palestinians who are mainly a combination of other races.
The same thing can be said about Israel. The land was orginally called Canaan and Israel did not even exist back then.
Whatever it is, Jews are basically homeless now, after not having a land of their own for so much of time in history. Palestine is big enough I believe, even if their intrusion was uncalled for and perhaps unfair to begin with. Palestinians could still have managed to accommodate them through some level of empathy and co-exist peacefully. Especially after seeing that bloody wars do not avail them. But then Palestinians are still held on the idea that one day Israel would be nuked and destroyed once and for all. Israel knows this all too well, that's why they are being very careful regarding their defense system (which costs them much of their money) and arresting or executing Palestinians, because they know how they plot in turn for their demise and hate them in their hearts and bones. Much of the hate is also religious based.
The Jews do have several lands; It's the European countries and Russia. The first prime-minister of Israel was not even born in Palestine and carried 4 citizenships; two of them were from Soviet Russia and the UK. A European Jew belongs in Europe. A Middle-eastern Jew belongs in the Middle-east(Not necessarily in Palestine). All Jews don't belong in one land. They don't have their own culture, language or traditions. What they speak today is an Israelite language that existed thousands of years ago until it died out as other factions conquered Palestine finally by the Arabs. Prior to the independance of Israel many Jews carried citizenships in their own countries therefor they did have a homeland. They are not 'homeless' people- Many of them even have dual-citizenships today.
And there is no win in nuking Israel because it resites like a parasite in Palestine. It would only harm the Palestinians. On the otherhand Israel has a policy that allows them to nuke any country they are at war with creating something similiar to Hiroshima. This is why Israel doesn't want Iran to obtain nukes because if Iran obtains nukes then what will Israel be able to scare Iran with? Nothing. It's simple- Israel launches a nuke at Iran and Iran will do the same. Unlike Iran, Israel has not signed the treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and carries over two hundred nukes therefor Iran has more right to build nukes than Israel. Israels fasicst right-wing politic is based on Jewish nutjobs that wants war- Especially like that moronic Israeli politician that said that all Palestinian mothers should be killed.
Let's make this clear
A European Jew belongs in EUROPE and not Palestine.
A Palestinian Muslim belongs in PALESTINE.
An American Muslim belongs in America and not in Saudi-Arabia.
Jews have no culture, language or history of their own. Hebrew is not a Jewish language but rather an Israelite language which was spoken by Moses(An Israelite Jew). 'Jew' is no ethnicity or even a nationality. A Jew is an adherent of Judaism, and Judaism is definently not an ethinicty or a nationality. It's a religion started by an Israelite and over the thousands of years that have gone by many people converted to Judaism. On wikipedia it says that Jewish converts have equally as high status as those who are born as Jews. So I can convert to Judaism anyday and my homeland will be in Palestine LOL.
it is Palestinians who are mainly a combination of other races.
+1 You're correct- The Palestinians are a combination of other races(Phonecians, Canaanites, Israelites, Edomites, etc) from the levant but all these races are the same people. They were semites and spoke languages that had the same root
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Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana?an for their children(e.g http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawfiq_Canaan). Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are Canaanitic symbols (and are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). Jews converting to Christianity and Christians converting to Islam as major trends during the establishment of these religions is also well documented. Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. Note that the surname 'Canaan' (also known as Kanaan) is a very common surname in the levant especially in Palestine, Syria and Jordan.
The Palestinians are native to their land - They are a mix of people that have been in Palestine since the Canaanites. There is this Western myth that the Jews left therefor Palestine was 'emptied' by its population which is not true at all. There is no archaeological evidence that all Israelite Jews left Palestine and there is absolutely no evidence that the Jews even left for Europe. Many Israelite Jews who rebelled against the Romans were taken as slaves(I read that 97000 Israelite Jews were taken as slaves) in Jerusalem until they were liberated by the Arabs and also by other previous armies. Also I'd say that many Israelite Jews left Judaism to avoid being expelled from their homes. Not to mention, the Romans were actually trying to push their religion on the Jews because it would make the Jews intergrate a lot more easier into the Roman society which would prevent a rebellion. So there is no doubt that many Israelite Jews left their religion to convert to another therefor they were no longer known as 'Jews' and not even 'Israelites' because they changed their identity.
The Arabs arabized almost the entire Middle-east and parts of Africa too
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization
The Israelites were finally Arabized by Arab conquerers who conquered Jerusalem from the Romans and lifted the bann on the Israelite Jews allowing the Israelite Jews to safely return.
Yeah, and the reason why it exists in the Quran in the first place is to give lessons to the rest of the Muslim believers. The 'kill them wherever you find them' I believe is the worst statement possible, and very anti-humanistic, present in a holy book. We don't need so much of graphic details on what actually happens during a war time.
All religions carries mistakes; no one is better than the other. You shouldn't think you'll find any better in the Torah or the Bible infact you find worse. And I really don't understand why you're trying to defend Israel let alone making excuses for them. How would you feel if somebody decided to occupy your country and ruin the lives of your inhabitants just so they could establish a religious homeland there? Many people who want a Jewish homeland in the Middle-east needs to stop being so hypocritical. Want a religious homeland? Give them your own homeland instead. Sadly many Western cowards support either Israel or the Islamic State while they live in the West. They are the biggest enemies to the Arab world IMO. But it's not only in the West- Even in the Arab countries there are many Europeans especially the ambassadors whose countries have not yet taken responsibility in preventing the jihadists from joining the Islamic State therefor making the European countries equally as responsible.
Israel is good on making itself look like as if it's being attacked by 'Muslim hordes'. This is a way for Israel to attract more Muslimphobes on its side. It's no wonder that many right-wing European political parties(That all have their origin based on Nazism - The same ideology that wiped out 6 million EUROPEAN Jews) support Israel.
I'm a secular Muslim and I believe in a secular Islam and I oppose Israel, the Islamic State and any other religious homeland to the core. It's very Muslim to oppose Israel, why? Because Israel wants to establish a 'Jewish' homeland on another peoples homeland. If people had some common sense regardless if Muslim or not they'd oppose Israel too. I don't support Palestine because the majority Palestinians are Muslims, I support Palestine because I believe that the Palestinians are the natives of the land; they have been Arabized therefor loosing their original identities. People must know that Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Canaanites, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites.
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Hello runninglikezebras,
Yeah the verses are dealing with war conditions where the polytheists broke the treaty, such as the Battle of Hunayn. Although I still have issues with the Surah.
I do not understand the excessive use of the words "belief" and "rejection", and some extent of compulsion in religion.
923 O you who believe, do not take your fathers nor brothers as allies if they prefer rejection to belief. And whoever of you takes them as such, then these are the wicked.
I'm glad we established these verses speak of state of war. Now, it's time to establish another fact before we can understand these verses. God is protecting the believers. In this verse God protects the believers from making the mistake of taking family as allies even though they are enemies to them. This protects them from getting stabbed in the back. It's a natural mistake to make. My family will never hurt me is not always true. God warns them for this. For in a time of war it's a matter of life and death. This is similar to what God tells us in the highly controversial 434. It's not an instruction to punish anyone. It's to protect the believer from getting involved in the 'fahisha' (crimes vs God of the highest degree) of their partner. It's a sound advice. How many times do you see in the news murderers in which the partner acts like she or he never was fully aware while staying with the offender? Often they get sentenced as well for complicity. These are verses offering protection and sound advice to prevent you as a believer to get stuck into a situation that could end your life or get you into other trouble you don't deserve.
Calling polytheists as impure
928 O you who believe, the polytheists are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
Again this verse reveals itself if you look at it from the point of view of offered protection to the believers by God. God knows the polytheists will never stop trying to reimplement their polytheism even after being defeated. It's sound advice not to let the polytheists take part in the affairs that happen inside the restricted temple. They will try to manipulate it and return it to it's earlier polytheistic state.
In neither of these verses there is compulsion. No one is forced into anything.
These verses can easily be used to also defend the 'Holy Jihad' as is done by many Muslims
938 O you who believe, what is wrong with you when you are told "Mobilize in the cause of God," you become heavy on the earth. Have you become content with this worldly life over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life compared to the Hereafter is nothing.
941 March forth in light gear or heavy gear, and strive with your money and lives in the cause of God. That is best if you knew.
9111 God has purchased from those who acknowledge their very lives and their wealth; that they will have paradise. They fight in the cause of God so they kill and are killed. A promise that is true upon Him in the Torah, the Injeel and the Quran. Whoever fulfills his pledge to God, then have good news of the deal which you concluded with. Such is the supreme success.
Sure they can be misinterpreted. Especially if you leave the context out, like you are demonstrating here. None of these verses entitle you to start a war with anyone on religious grounds. They are self-defense measures. They are motivating speeches for when morale is low and encouraging the faithful to not give up and let the aggressors win the battle.
Insulting the Nomads
997 The Nomads are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the boundaries of what God has sent down upon His messenger. God is Knower, Wise.
Nomads is your translation. Mine is arab.
From wiki
Arabs (Arabic , arab) are a major panethnic group. They primarily inhabit Western Asia, North Africa, parts of the Horn of Africa, and other areas in the Arab world. Arabic groups which inhabit or are adjacent to the Arabian plate and Arabic speaking people include the Lebanese, Syrians, Emiratis, Qataris, Saudis, Bahrainis, Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Omanis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Yemenis, Sudanis, Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians, Libyans, Somalis and Egyptians.
Let's go through the list and you will find almost all of them to be the worst examples of established Islam in the world. All these countries are even today actively abusing religion, distorting it for political goals (a small price).
This verse, even if it may try to tell the reader to abstain from making religious leaders as authorities besides God, still it also promotes hatred towards the Jews and the Christians as well
930 The Jews said, "Ezra is God's son," and the Nazarenes said, "The Messiah is God's son." Such is their utterances with their mouths; they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God's curse be on them. How deviated are their minds!
What happened to the Jewish and Christian tradition is a historical fact. What other examples should God point to except those two?
In the verses 911, 984, 999, Edip Yuksel translated the word 'Salah' as support, instead of contact prayer, unlike The Monotheist translation. That should also give hints to us that the word Salah has been misinterpreted elsewhere also, most likely. It doesn't look right that God would be so obsessed with ritual prayers more than things like good behavior or so.
Peace,
Samira
Edip Yuksel is of zero authority to me. I consider him even a bad apple in the whole reform movement within Islam for his outright homophobic stance (for which he selectively preservers the hadith that suit his narrative) and lack of linguistic understanding.
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3yoni
Israel is not surrounded by 'evil MOOZLEM HORDES' that wants to destroy it. Most groups that opposes Israel are secular Arab nationalist groups(Many of them base their ideology on Communism) that tend to sometimes mix Arab nationalism with Islam which is sad. The PFLP(Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) was started by a Palestinian Christian. Ba'athism was started by Palestinian Christian along with a Muslim and an atheist. Many Arab Christians fought against Israel too. Many Arabs who were fighting Israel during 1973 and 1948 were Arabs of many religions. Arab- Druze, Christian and Muslims attacked Israeli forces on sight. Many Arab nationalist groups don't care about Israel but they want give the Palestinians their land back and they don't like it when the Israelies occupy Palestine. Hey, Israel can go and occupy the US or a country in Europe and the Arab nationalist groups or the neighboors of Palestine will not care anymore. It's simple; You occupy Palestine and you'll get hundreds of enemies. The Palestinians were not Arabized for nothing- They are a part of our 'brethren'. If the Europeans harm them then the Europeans will be wiped off the map.
All of what you said above doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by enemies who wanna kill all the Jews if they had the chance.
Israel is not 'surrounded' by anybody. Israelies don't belong in the Middle-east anyway; They're European/Soviet Jews that should have stayed in Europe. People should stop acting as if Israel is surrounded by anybody- The fact is that Israelies have no right to be in the Levant in the first place. And it's no wonder that many Middle-eastern nations want to get rid of Israel because it's occupying Palestinian land.
Israel is surrounded by following countries Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. All four countries are known to hate Jews.
I strong support in removing Israel.
and this is why Israel needs to defend itself.
I absolutely see no reason for why Israel(A Jewish homeland) should exist
Some people don't see any reason for why China exist either. Doesn't matter. The reality is, that Israel exist.
I'll oppose any religious homelands(Whether it be 'Jewish' or 'Muslim' despite how many times they pretend to be 'democratic' or 'secular'.
Doesn't make sense. You are against democratic secular countries if they are considered religious homelands? Then you must be against the existence of Pakistan as well, as it was created as a homeland for Indian Muslims. )
It doesn't matter what something is based on because what happened in the past cannot be changed.. the important thing is the current reality. And the current reality is that Israel exist, so it only makes sense to take it from now.
Two examples of religious homeland is Israel and the Islamic State. You have Israel that is a 'Jewish' homeland in the same way the Islamic State is a 'muslim' homeland (It has nothing to do with Muslims)
.Wrong. The Jewish homeland was granted to the Jews by the UN after second world war. Israel is today a sovereign democratic state with secular values. The case of Israel is remarkably similar to that of Pakistan . Just like Israel, Pakistan was also build as a religious homeland for Indian Muslims, who feared persecution at the hand of the Hindu majority after second world war... and just like Israel, Pakistan founding fathers, including Muhammad Ali Jinnah, created the religious homeland on secular and democratic values (However, this was later abolished by the the sharia-crazed dictator Zia Ul HAq in the late 1970s) surrounded by neighbors who had grudges against the new national religious homeland, fought wars with its neighbors and had huge boarder related territory disputes with its neighbors (In Pakistans case its the Kashmir province, in Israels case its the Golan Height).
So, Pakistan and Israel are remarkable similar both on their national foundation and history..Islamic state has not been granted anything from the UN, has never been recognized as a state, and is certainly not based on democracy leave alone secularism..
Not really. It's the failure of the Arab governments to help Palestine.
Arab governments are too busy killing their own people to worry about Palestine.
We have enough oil to annihilate Israel and NATO combined
And this is why Israel has a right to defend itself
but instead Arab oil-money goes to European prostitutes, some South-Asian countries, more mosques in Europe and worst of all to Wahabbism
You just combined following in one sentence stereotyping, over-generalization, conspiracy theory and exaggeration
The Western nations don't want this- They want Shariah law in the Arab countries which is why they support Wahabbism(A radical primitive religious ideology)
OK, so its not only Jews you have a problem with. You also have a problem with Muslims who follow the wahabi movement. And your claim of Western nations wanting to have sharia law in Arab countries is laughable, not only because its unsupported by evidence, but because its a conspiracy theory.
Sadly today the Gulf-countries are trying to attack Iran by creating sectarian wars with their oil-money. It's sad that oil-money is given to a bunch of barbarians (The Royal family). The Royal family has contributed ZERO to the Arab world and is only destroying the Arab world by trying to attack Iran, allowing the Europeans to walk into the Arab world, funding terrorism in the Arab countries, sending resources to the South-Asian countries and not the other Arab countries and so on. The Arab countries could easily annihilate Israel.
What you are saying above is following Iran is a poor victim. The villains are the BARBARIC oily rich royal family of Saudi Arabia + the Europeans + Israel = Axis of Evil.
Solution according to you Nuke Israel.Its quite scary how much your way of thinking matches George W. Bush. )
It's not suprising if the oil-money is going to European prostitutes for Jabba- Erm I mean Abdullah.
more prostitute arguments... o jealousy ? ;D
It's not the ORGINAL homeland of the Jews but rather the orginal homeland for the ISRAELITES
You just said above that you disprove of religious homelands. You are contradicting yourself
I'd say that there are more Jews in the US than in Israel.
wrong. check the statistics.
Saying that all Jews belong in Israel is like saying that all Muslims belong in Saudi-Arabia.
The argument is that all Jews have the right to live protected in a national homeland, in the aftermath of centuries of persecution. That is like saying, that all Muslims in India has the right to live protected in a national homeland (PAKISTAN) in order to avoid persecution in the hand of the Hindu majority in India. However, Israel justify this claim further by claiming that Jews have historical rights upon Jerusalem and its surroundings... just like Muslims claims to have historical rights upon Mekka and Madina in Saudi Arabia.
Nowhere does the Qur'an mention the ISRAELIES or the JEWS..
Again you are contradicting yourself. Earlier you praised secularism and now you make religious arguments against Israel
And NOT ALL Israelites were Jews- Many Israelites left their religion to avoid being killed by either the Roman empire or the European Crusaders.
Not all Saudi Arabians are Muslims either. what difference does that make?
nowhere does the Qur'an mention the ISRAELIES or the JEWS.. So no Allah was not a Zionist because he does not support a Jewish homeland and neither did he support an Israeli homeland.. He rather supported an ISRAELITE homeland according to the Qur'an. Allah refers to the Israelites as 'the children of Israel' several times in the Qur'an. The children of Israel were the Israelites in the same way the children of America were its citizens i.e the Americans. ABSOLUTELY nowhere does God mention a Jewish homeland or an Israeli homeland - No he/she/whatever mentions an ISRAELITE homeland instead.
Your lack of logic is truly astonishing Because Allah did not mention the terms ''Jews'' or ''Israelis'' in the Quran, you conclude that Allah does not support the existence of the modern state of Israel in year 2014. But because Allah mentioned ''Bani Israel'' in the Quran, Allah supports an ''Israelitie'' religious homeland instead. ) ) o o ??? ???
(you earlier claimed to be against religious homelands.)
And there is no win in nuking Israel because it resites like a parasite in Palestine. It would only harm the Palestinians.
Israel is a state in the Middle East, not a parasite in Palestine as Palestine is not a ''state''.
Israels existence has not only harmed some Palestinians, but also Israelis themselves. However, that's by no means a reason to abolish a sovereign state, just as the fact that the existence of Nigeria has caused harm to some Nigerians isn't a reason to abolish Nigeria as a state.
All we as outsiders residing in the West can do is to encourage Israelis and Palestinians to negotiate a two state solution, build friendships between Palestinians and Israelis and encourage Palestinians to apply democratic and secular values in their territories in order for the West to take them more seriously. But ultimately the future of Israel and Palestine is going to be determined by its inhabitants Only the Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East have the power to resolve their issues and create a better future for themselves and their children. However, the only way to achieve that is if both parties let go of the past, and focus on the current reality.
Peace
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It's funny how some people make statements such as Israel is surrounded by "jew hating" countries, or this Israel-Palestine conflict is a religious issue. I always like to bring up the FACT that prior to recent history (i.e. before world war 1) jews/Christians/muslims lived in harmony in that area, no major problems at all. I wonder what changed eh.
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Colonialism, or imperialism. No mistery there.
But the Imperial propaganda machine wants us to "learn" that there is a terrible religious problem with all that, and happily kicks and puts out of existence Palestinian Christians, who supposedly do not exist nor have existed.
Imperialism, yes, imperialism is the reason not any sin of any Palestinian. May God bless Palestine and Palestinian pople who struggle for justice and their legitimate rights. And may those who wish them ill be humilliated, as they want to humilliate a trodden upon people.
Salaam
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All of what you said above doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by enemies who wanna kill all the Jews if they had the chance.
Israel is surrounded by following countries Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. All four countries are known to hate Jews.
and this is why Israel needs to defend itself.
Some people don't see any reason for why China exist either. Doesn't matter. The reality is, that Israel exist.
Doesn't make sense. You are against democratic secular countries if they are considered religious homelands? Then you must be against the existence of Pakistan as well, as it was created as a homeland for Indian Muslims.
It doesn't matter what something is based on because what happened in the past cannot be changed.. the important thing is the current reality. And the current reality is that Israel exist, so it only makes sense to take it from now..
Wrong. The Jewish homeland was granted to the Jews by the UN after second world war. Israel is today a sovereign democratic state with secular values. The case of Israel is remarkably similar to that of Pakistan . Just like Israel, Pakistan was also build as a religious homeland for Indian Muslims, who feared persecution at the hand of the Hindu majority after second world war... and just like Israel, Pakistan founding fathers, including Muhammad Ali Jinnah, created the religious homeland on secular and democratic values (However, this was later abolished by the the sharia-crazed dictator Zia Ul HAq in the late 1970s) surrounded by neighbors who had grudges against the new national religious homeland, fought wars with its neighbors and had huge boarder related territory disputes with its neighbors (In Pakistans case its the Kashmir province, in Israels case its the Golan Height).
So, Pakistan and Israel are remarkable similar both on their national foundation and history..Islamic state has not been granted anything from the UN, has never been recognized as a state, and is certainly not based on democracy leave alone secularism..
Arab governments are too busy killing their own people to worry about Palestine.
And this is why Israel has a right to defend itself
You just combined following in one sentence stereotyping, over-generalization, conspiracy theory and exaggeration
OK, so its not only Jews you have a problem with. You also have a problem with Muslims who follow the wahabi movement. And your claim of Western nations wanting to have sharia law in Arab countries is laughable, not only because its unsupported by evidence, but because its a conspiracy theory.
What you are saying above is following Iran is a poor victim. The villains are the BARBARIC oily rich royal family of Saudi Arabia + the Europeans + Israel = Axis of Evil.
Solution according to you Nuke Israel.Its quite scary how much your way of thinking matches George W. Bush.
more prostitute arguments... o jealousy ? ;D
You just said above that you disprove of religious homelands. You are contradicting yourself
wrong. check the statistics.The argument is that all Jews have the right to live protected in a national homeland, in the aftermath of centuries of persecution. That is like saying, that all Muslims in India has the right to live protected in a national homeland (PAKISTAN) in order to avoid persecution in the hand of the Hindu majority in India. However, Israel justify this claim further by claiming that Jews have historical rights upon Jerusalem and its surroundings... just like Muslims claims to have historical rights upon Mekka and Madina in Saudi Arabia.
Again you are contradicting yourself. Earlier you praised secularism and now you make religious arguments against Israel
Not all Saudi Arabians are Muslims either. what difference does that make?
Your lack of logic is truly astonishing Because Allah did not mention the terms ''Jews'' or ''Israelis'' in the Quran, you conclude that Allah does not support the existence of the modern state of Israel in year 2014. But because Allah mentioned ''Bani Israel'' in the Quran, Allah supports an ''Israelitie'' religious homeland instead. o o ??? ???
(you earlier claimed to be against religious homelands.)
Israel is a state in the Middle East, not a parasite in Palestine as Palestine is not a ''state''.
Israels existence has not only harmed some Palestinians, but also Israelis themselves. However, that's by no means a reason to abolish a sovereign state, just as the fact that the existence of Nigeria has caused harm to some Nigerians isn't a reason to abolish Nigeria as a state.
All we as outsiders residing in the West can do is to encourage Israelis and Palestinians in negotiating over a two state solution, build friendships between Palestinians and Israelis and encourage Palestinians to apply democratic and secular values in their territories in order for the West to take them more seriously. But ultimately the future of Israel and Palestine is going to be determined by its inhabitants Only the Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East have the power to resolve their issues and create a better future for themselves and their children. However, the only way to achieve that is if both parties let go of the past, and focus on the current reality.
PeaceAll of what you said above doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by enemies who wanna kill all the Jews if they had the chance.
If you attack an Arab country and kill its citizens then expect retaliations. Nobody wants to kill ALL the Jews. In the Arab world prior to Israels independance- there were plenty of Arab Jews and had Israel never declared independance the Arab Jews would be respected like the Arab Christians. Today the Arab Christians are serving proudly in the Iraq army killing European 'Muslim' scumbags that are trying to establish another Israel. Just go and read about how the Danish savages were annilihated by the Iraqi army- Let it be an example to every European irhabi. Sadly the Arab Jews on the otherhand are looked upon as traitors because of an 'Arab' Jewish Zionist moron i.e Eli Cohlen(Who wasn't even Arab - He was a European scumbag carrying Arab citizenship) that spied on the Arab countries for Israel. The Arab countries consider the Jews to be traitors because of idiotic Europeans that were never orginally Arabs to begin with. Israel was terrorizing the Arab Jews- This was a way for Israel to be able to bring the Arab Jews to Israel so they could contribute to the moronic Israeli society. In Iraq they did so by placing bombs in areas frequented by Iraqis who were Jewish, then starting whispering campaigns that scared people into emigrating. The plan worked brilliantly, but then again, Israeli intelligence/covert operatives, had experience with such things from massacres like Deir Yassin. Ex-Zionist, ex-spy for Israel and a Jewish Iraqi like Naeim Giladi who smuggled Iraqi Jews from Iraq to Israel admitted that it was Jews killing Jews. "I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called "cruel Zionism." I write about it because I was part of it." His words. He wrote to 'The Link' about his book saying "About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel.."
Only a small number of Arab Jews supported Zionism and most immigrants were not refugees but immigrated to Israel in the 1950 (long after the war). The same for Russian or Polish Jews (are not termed refugees but migrants, immigrants). Zionists of European origin, like David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, and Abba Eban often made derogatory statements regarding Arab Jews who they considered to be inferior to themselves. The Jewish communities had flourished in Arab lands for thousands of years, and they contributed greatly to Arab culture as did all other peoples who settled in the Arab World. Off the coast of Tunisia, on a small island of Djerba, a Jewish colony lived that traced its presence there to at least 1000 BC. According to Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld, "Some Djerban rabbis who were not to be fooled nor intimidated by the Zionists were harassed, threatened and even beaten." (Schonfeld, Genocide in the Holy Land, 50 Rabbi Schonfeld also wrote about the same tactics used to get the Jews of Iraq to flee to Israel. Zionists tried to convince these Arab Jews that it was the Arabs who were exploding bombs in their neighborhoods, but it was the Zionists who dreamed of populating Israel with Jews form all over the world. Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former CIA operative, wrote about the Zionist crimes against Arab Jews in Iraq (Feuerlicht, The Fate of the Jews, 231). Jewish author, Alfred Lilienthal, wrote about the oppressive treatment by Ashkenazi (European) Jews in Israel of the Sephardic Jews (Semitic Arab origin) in his book The Zionist Connection. Jews in the Arab World were always treated with respect and civility throughout history. Any mistreatment they received was in the hands of the Zionists in Israel. In either case, Arab countries continues to have a policy of welcoming emigrants back to those countries unlike Israel.
The truth is that the European Jews were trouble makers which is why the Arab nations decided to get rid of them. The Arab nations wanted to get rid of all Europeans especially those that colonized the Arab countries.
There is absolutely nothing more anti-semitic than Israhell- Israel creates anti-semitism by giving Jews a bad name. Not ALL Jews want anything to do with Israel- Infact some holocaust survivors have condemned Israel and called it a disgrace to Judaism. Islamic State is giving Islam a bad name just like Israel is giving Judaism a bad name. Israel with its history of a carpet labels itself as a 'Jewish' homeland making people believe that it's somehow a 'Jewish' homeland. People must understand that it's these Europeans that are savages and Europe needs to be targetted equally as much as Israhell. Westerners should keep making Israel look 'victimized' and all- But everybody know that Israel is the aggressor and not the way around no matter how many times Western propagandists try to put it. And these Westerners who speak about anti-semetism why do they not say anything about the countless of European political parties that all have their origin based on Nazism and fascism? I like how Israel can cooperate with the worst people ever(i.e the right-wing European political parties whose members are Nazis to the core) and then accuse people of being anti-semites for criticizing Israel. There is nothing more anti-semitic than Israhell. Today many pro-Israeli fasictists(Like Robert Spencer - A big-nosed European warmongerer) enjoy cooperating with European political parties(E.g The Swedish democrats that have its origin based on Nazism) while accusing Muslims of being 'anti-semites' for simply criticising Israel. What a joke.. The truth is that the term 'Anti-Semite' is only being used to Zionists advantage. Israel does not care about the Jews- And prefers to use the word 'anti-semetism' to its advantage- Meanwhile Israel cooperates with the biggest anti-semites ever.
http//mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians - 40 Holocaust survivors condemn ?massacre? of Palestinians, call for BDS against Israel
From the article
?It?s a shame Hitler didn?t finish the job,? one Israeli named Asher Solomon said, while another, Katy Morali, added that ?Holocaust survivors who think like this are invited to go die in the gas chambers.?
The Jews are not the enemy but the Israelies and the Europeans. And both the Israelies named Asher Solomon and Katy Morali are true anti-semitic morons.
Israel is surrounded by following countries Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. All four countries are known to hate Jews.
Egypt and Jordan has a lot of trade with Israel over gas and resources and there are Israeli ambassadors in these countries for diplomatic relations. Only Syria and Lebanon opposes Israel and has not signed any treaty therefor these countries are still at war with Israel and therefor Israel is not really surrounded. The only ones who have a history of hatred towards the Jews are your kind; i.e the Europeans. The Europeans have killed MILLIONS of EUROPEAN Jews because they were Jews. I can assure you that the history of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan is a lot more PRO-JEWISH than say pathetic European countries such as Denmark for example.
The majority Arabs support Palestine but our leaders are corrupt and they'll make a lot of trades with Israel secretly while pretending to care about the Palestinians. Like usually.. European/South-Asian Muslims are put over our Arab brethren, trade is going on with Israel, Hillary clinton is given a medal, Wahabbis/Europeans are destroying another Arab country. While some countries in South-America decided to withdraw their ambassador from Israel due to the Palestinian civilians who were bombed by the Israeli terrorist airforce, the Arab countries are making deals with Israel and sending more aid to South-Asian countries that don't really deserve it.
Arab governments are too busy killing their own people to worry about Palestine.
Yah not only that but they are buying more garbage weapons from the Europeans. The Europeans enjoy selling weapons to countries with dictators. As if anybody wants some garbage weapons from the Europeans. Russia could EASILY turn Europe(Denmark and Britain in particular) into a waiste land- That's why Europe hides behind the US.
But it's not only the fact that the Arab countries somehow buy primitive European weapons- But even the fact that the Arab countries send aid to lots of South-Asian countries(Pakistan in particular). Sadly the European nations are laughing at the Arab regimes(the regimes of Bahrain) killing its own people. The Europeans along with these regimes the biggest enemies next to the Islamic State/European 'Muslims'(AKA Islamists) IMO. But what do the Europeans have to laugh about really? Europeans killed each other a lot more. 90+ million Europeans died during WW1-WW2 including the 6 million European Jews who were gassed/killed with Zyklon B.
and this is why Israel needs to defend itself.
No such thing as 'defending itself'. It was orginally called Palestine until the Israelies(Who were orginally European Jewish Immigrants) Immigrated to Palestine and began to destroy the Palestinian independance against the British empire(By siding with the British regime against the Palestinians who revolted). The Israelies are the aggressors. Today the Israelies are demolishing Palestinian homes in the West bank so they can be replaced with 'Jewish' settlements - In any case it's the Arab world defending itself against Israel. If the Arab world does not take action then in the future there will be no Palestinian State as Israel is eating Palestinian land. Absolutely unacceptable.
And Europeans such as you seem to be a big fan of self-defense/retaliations. Using your logic, the Arab world has the right to annilihate the entire West because of the Western jihadists that keeps flocking from the West. Afterall- It's retaliation and a way to defend ourselves. Denmark for example takes ZERO responsibility in arresting the Islamic State jihadists therefor making Denmark equally as responsible as the Islamic State. If the Arab world had acted like Israel then the Arab countries would have set Europe on fire by now.
Some people don't see any reason for why China exist either. Doesn't matter. The reality is, that Israel exist.
No people DO see a reason for why China exists. Israelies on the otherhand has no culture, language or traditions of its own. They stole it all from Canaan to Palestine. Unlike Israhell, China has its own language, culture and traditions. And the founding fathers of China weren't a bunch of Immigrants from Europe.
Doesn't make sense. You are against democratic secular countries if they are considered religious homelands? Then you must be against the existence of Pakistan as well, as it was created as a homeland for Indian Muslims.
It doesn't matter what something is based on because what happened in the past cannot be changed.. the important thing is the current reality. And the current reality is that Israel exist, so it only makes sense to take it from now.
Pakistan DOES not DECLARE itself as a 'Muslim' country and neither does Pakistan pay thousands of dollars to all Muslims worldwide so they can Immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being 'muslim'. Tbh I don't care about how Pakistan was formed; the fact is that Pakistan is a country for all Pakistanis regardless of religion. Sure Pakistan probaly has theocracy but the fact is that Pakistan does not pay Muslims worldwide to Immigrate to Pakistan and live there and be granted Pakistani citizenship and Pakistan DOES not demolish Indian Hindu homes while it replaces them with Pakistani Muslim settlements. Foreign Muslims are not given 'special privileges' in Pakistan. And the Pakistanis ARE native to Pakistan- They were orginally Indian Muslims that were fighting against the Indian Hindus so the British empire divided them both. The Jews in Palestine on the otherhand were orginally European Immigrants that showed up in Palestine during WW2 as Hitler chased them off Europe.
No matter how many times you try to say that Israel exists it's only nature and the failure of the Arab governments. Israel is like a cow on steroids - And what I mean by that is that Israel is being pumped into with a lot of money from either Europe or the US. The US provides Israel $3 billions of dollars a year meanwhile Germany has given 25 billion euro to Israel as 'reparation' for the stuff that happened during WW2. Also Israel gets a lot of private donations especially from rich European Jews like the Rothschild. The truth is that if it was not for all the funds being pumped into Israel then Israel would fall a long time ago. Money is keeping Israel alive.
And I said nations pretending to be 'democratic' and 'secular'(e.g Israel)
So, Pakistan and Israel are remarkable similar both on their national foundation and history..
I can assure you - You're only insulting Pakistan by saying this. No it's not both 'similiar' at all. Secondly why do you compare Israel to Pakistan? Are you from Pakistan?
Islamic state has not been granted anything from the UN, has never been recognized as a state, and is certainly not based on democracy leave alone secularism..
If the Islamic State would become democracy tomorrow I bet that you would probaly support its existance because it's 'democratic' ignoring all the crimes it has committed towards the Iraqis, Syrians and Kurds.
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Wrong. The Jewish homeland was granted to the Jews by the UN after second world war. Israel is today a sovereign democratic state with secular values. The case of Israel is remarkably similar to that of Pakistan . Just like Israel, Pakistan was also build as a religious homeland for Indian Muslims, who feared persecution at the hand of the Hindu majority after second world war... and just like Israel, Pakistan founding fathers, including Muhammad Ali Jinnah, created the religious homeland on secular and democratic values (However, this was later abolished by the the sharia-crazed dictator Zia Ul HAq in the late 1970s) surrounded by neighbors who had grudges against the new national religious homeland, fought wars with its neighbors and had huge boarder related territory disputes with its neighbors (In Pakistans case its the Kashmir province, in Israels case its the Golan Height).
So, Pakistan and Israel are remarkable similar both on their national foundation and history..Islamic state has not been granted anything from the UN, has never been recognized as a state, and is certainly not based on democracy leave alone secularism..
Comparing Pakistan to Israel is really a terrible comparison no offense. So you're saying that Pakistan should be a homeland for Muslims? So I as a Muslim can come to Pakistan and be granted citizenship for being a Muslim? No thanks dear. I live in the best country in the world and I do not ever want any Arab country to become the way you describe and I believe that you are only giving Pakistan a more terrible future by imposing religious nationalism. IMO Pakistan should be a country for all Pakistanis and not for all Muslims. I'm all for democracy but religious homelands must not be established. It's better to respect your citizens regardless of religion than the people of the same religion. I believe in equality to all Arabs regardless of religion- Unlike you I do not believe in a religious nationalism infact I oppose it. The Arab countries will become countries for their own citizens regardless of religion, gender and equality and if the Western/South-Asian/Non-Arab Muslims do not like it then they are free to leave anytime.
The Arab nations will become like Sweden; democratic nations that value the lives of their citizens and nations that treats everybody equal regardless of gender or religion. Not countries that value Muslims over non-Muslim Arabs. And if the non-Arab Muslims don't like it then they are free to leave anytime. Nobody wants their presence anyway in the Arab world- And for us it's only better if we can get rid of these people. This will reduce the population a bit and more jobs will given to the Arabs.
And the Golan Heights belongs to Syria and not to a bunch of European scumbags. When the Arab world unite- The Golan heights will be the first place to be retaken by the Arab countries whether the Europeans like it or not. And if the Europeans keep supporting terrorism- They'll end up loosing some Western-European nations. The Arab countries have a right to retaliate against the European countries as a response to their support of terrorism and support for dictators that ruined the Arab world. The liberation of Palestine starts with the liberation of Saudi-Arabia and Qatar. Only Western 'Muslims' support barbaric Royal families while they pretend to oppose the regime of Iran. There's plenty of Western 'Muslims' that live in Dubai - It's better to deport them IMO.
And the Arab countries have always respected the Jews compared to Europe that killed millions of Jews.
Arab governments are too busy killing their own people to worry about Palestine.
They are too busy giving Europeans some more billions of dollars for some garbage weapons that Europeans are terrible at. Seriously, I really hate the fact that the Arab governments invests billions of dollars on mosques in Europe letalone having European presence in the Gulf-countries. The Arab governments/regimes are just as bad as the Europeans.
And this is why Israel has a right to defend itself
Except that Israel never defends itself. It only provokes its enemies and after its enemies responds, Israel then acts as if it's somehow 'defending itself'. Israel is demolishing homes in the West bank therefor Israel is the aggressor.
You just combined following in one sentence stereotyping, over-generalization, conspiracy theory and exaggeration
Actually the Saudi regime spends $3 billions of dollars a year on Wahabbism. Europeans are honestly like a virus- They infect the Arab world making sure that the Arab world will never become democracy but rather ruled under Wahabbism - Hence they make sure that the Arab world will be brought back to square one again. This is a way for Europe to protect Israel. You'll keep calling it a 'conspiracy theory', but that's all you Westerners can do. It's to call things 'conspiracy theories' when you do not agree and when you agree it's all facts.
How am I stereotyping anybody? Over-generalization? How? Conspiracy theory regarding the fact that the Saudis spend $3 billions of dollars a year on Wahabbism/Religious stupidity?
"Tens of billions of dollars of this money were spent on books, media, schools, scholarships for students (from primary to post-graduate), fellowships and subsidies to reward journalists, academics and Islamic scholars, the building of hundreds of Islamic centers and universities, and over one thousand schools and one thousand mosques. During this time, Wahhabism attained what Gilles Kepel called a "preeminent position of strength in the global expression of Islam."
"Tens of billions of dollars have been spent by the Saudi government and charities on mosques, schools, education materials, scholarships, throughout the world to promote Islam and the Wahhabi interpretation of it. Tens of thousands of volunteers and several billion dollars also went in support of the jihad against the atheist communist regime governing Muslim Afghanistan."
"Estimates of Saudi spending on religious causes abroad include "upward of $100 billion", between $2 and 3 billion per year since 1975. (compared to the annual Soviet propaganda budget of $1 billion/year), and "at least $87 billion" from 1987-2007"
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
If only those funds could have gone to the liberation of Palestine but no instead it went to the worst things ever. It's not only the fact that the oil-money goes to mosques and religious stuff but even to terrible European weapons which only benefits the European economy apart from the mosques that are being funded in Europe. And yet these European right-wingers would like you to think that the mosques being built in Europe is only harming Europe- If anything the mosques are helping the European economy. The European economy is such a joke anyway. And the mosques being funded in Europe is a terrible id?a IMO. Many European 'Muslims' are extremists/Islamists that will use these mosques to give Islam a bad name. The Saudi regime itself is giving Islam a bad name. Those funds could have gone to education, science and health in the Arab world or to the children of Africa but they went to the terrorist Europeans instead. Europe is a terrorist region and the Saudi Royal family is a terrorist regime that oppresses its people and does not even allow Saudi women to drive although it's about to change as more Saudi women are fighting for their rights. Europe is good at hiding all the crimes committed by the Saudi and the Bahraini regime towards its people while acting as if Iran is the biggest problem here ignoring the fact that it's Qatar and Saudi-Arabia that is spending billions of dollars on religious causes/extremism. But why would Europe ever complain? The Royal Family is only doing what Europe wants it to which is to fund terrorism and buy more garbage European weapons. When Gamal Abdel Nasser was at war with Israel- The Royal family was trying to assassinate Gamal Abdel Nasser by funding the Muslim brotherhood because it opposed Arab nationalism and wanted Islamic nationalism to prevail which it never did. 'Islamic' nationalism is a failure.
OK, so its not only Jews you have a problem with. You also have a problem with Muslims who follow the wahabi movement. And your claim of Western nations wanting to have sharia law in Arab countries is laughable, not only because its unsupported by evidence, but because its a conspiracy theory.
There is no such thing as 'Muslims following the Wahabi movement'. You saying that I have a problem with Muslims following the Wahabi movement is like me asking why you have a problem with Germans following Nazism. Of course I have a problem- But Wahabbis are not Muslims anyway. Wahabbism = Nazism. You don't seem to have a problem with Wahabbism because you're a European that has to defend NATO's interests. Wahabbism is like Nazism. It's hypocritical how Europeans cry about what Nazism did to them yet they support ideologies like Wahabbism/Royal dictatorship or countries such as Israel.
And it's supported by evidence, hence the West's support of Islamist groups like Al-Nusra, Islamic Front and the Islamic State(Who are all backfiring at each other for power right now). Your West somehow pretends to support 'moderate' groups but knows the consequences of supporting these groups. Not only that but Turkey(A NATO country and soon to become a part of the EU) is being exposed not only by Arab Muslims but even by Kurds especially the Kurds that fought in Kobane and destroyed the Islamist scumbags. Kurdish fighters who destroyed the Islamist scumbags found that the Islamist passports had Turkish stamps. Today the Kurds are exposing NATO for what it is; a European terrorist organisation.
And I do NOT have a problem with Jews. I'm NOT against Iranian Jews, Syrian Jews, Arab Jews but what I'm against are the European Jewish Zionist scumbags that think they have some kind of 'ancestry' in Palestine. I'm also against the European 'Muslim'/Islamist scumbags.
What you are saying above is following Iran is a poor victim. The villains are the BARBARIC oily rich royal family of Saudi Arabia + the Europeans + Israel = Axis of Evil.
Solution according to you Nuke Israel.Its quite scary how much your way of thinking matches George W. Bush.
Iran is indeed a poor victim being attacked by sectarian wars. The European warmongerers/apologists and the barbaric Royal family seems to have a fetish in destroying Iran- But keep dreaming that will never happen. I'm all for democratic reforms in Iran I just hope that the Iranians know that the Europeans and the Wahabbis wants to hjiack their uprising because they want Iran to fall back to square one again.
I never said that the solution is to nuke Israel. Please give me a good reason for why Israel should be nuked.. It would only harm the Palestinians and destroy Palestines heritage sites. My solution is to unite the Arab countries under democracy(Like Sweden), remove the Europeans even if they are Muslims from the Arab countries, Stop funding more mosques in Europe and cancel all the billions of dollars worth of contracts with Europe, bring back the Arab scienitists, remove Islamic teachings from the constitution- (Like Michel Aflaq, a Christian Arab nationalist once said - Fundamentalism must not be allowed to take over a state) and then annilihate Israel. There are better ways in removing Israel- I hope you realize that. And I believe that Palestinians much be given more rights in the Arab world but not only the Palestinians- Even any other Arab. The fact is that there is a lot of corruption in the Arab world. Removing the Europeans/Islamists and cancelling all the contracts being made with the West will reduce the amount of corruption and will strengthen the economy of the Arab world. The economy of the Arab world must NOT be spent on South-Asia or Europe but rather on health, science and education in the Arab world. But not only to the Arab world; even the African countries and the South-American countries. We have to show respect to our African Arab friends as well. The Arab countries must also let their minorities pracise their religion and speak their own languages while giving them political autonomy - Their languages are unique to the Arab world. They should not be forced to arabization. And the European 'muslim' scumbags must not be given any type of special privileges. If they do not like the Arab countries then they are free to leave anytime. Also some European nations need to be put on a terrorist list and their ambassadors must not be allowed to enter the Arab world.
BTW I thought you were a big fan of George W Bush because you're a Western apologist. Tbh your NATO is full of the European version of George W Bush. I oppose George W Bush to the core and I love that video were an Iraqi journalist throws his shoe at George Bush. Too bad he misses. May he one day be throwing the shoes at the Europeans too. NATO = Jaysh Al-Sahata o Al-European Al-Irhabieen and George W Bush = Amriki Irhabi.
Secondly, Europe and Saudi-Arabia is indeed a part of the Axis of Evil. You'd think that Europe changed after WW2 but no it remains the same. Do not worry, Israel is not the only one on the terrorist list- I can assure you that some European countries(Denmark in particular) is on the terrorist list too. Denmark is equally as much enemy to the Arab world as Israel.
more prostitute arguments... o jealousy ? ;D
Jealousy? Of what? European prostitutes? No lol. The only thing Europe is known for is brothel. That's pretty much it. The only thing the Saudis come for Europe is for sex-tourism and nothing else. As a European you should be proud given the fact that your region is only known for prostitution. Denmark is the perfect country for prostitution. Absolutely nothing to be jealous about. It makes me proud that Europe is known for absolutely nothing but prostiution. The Europeans want to copy America but their region is honestly a failure. There is absolutely nothing to be jealous about regarding Europe. Democracy? Already been there. Secularism? Already been there. Civilizations? Already been there. Syria encompasses the sites of several ancient kingdoms and empires, including the Eblan civilization of the 3rd millennium BC. Iraq has the oldest civilization and Lebanon has also an old civilization(Phoenicia) as well. What is there to be jealous about regarding Europe?
You just said above that you disprove of religious homelands. You are contradicting yourself
Habibti you always say that people contradict themselves yet you absolutely give no example of people contradicting themselves.
I DO disapprove of RELIGIOUS homelands. ISRAEL is NOT the homeland of the Jews but rather the homeland for the ISRAELITES. NOT ALL ISRAELITES WERE JEWS - Especially during the time the Romans conquered Palestine/Israel because they forced their religion on the Jews. This was a way for them to prevent a rebellion because it would make people with the same religion intergrate a lot easier in the country.
The Israelites were a Semitic people of the Ancient Near East, who inhabited part of Canaan during the tribal and monarchic periods. Jews are people who are an adherent to Judaism. Anybody can convert to Judaism. By supporting a Jewish homeland, you're supporting a religious homeland. Unlike the Jews, the Israelites do have their own culture, language(the same language whom many people think is Jewish when it's infact Israelite) and history.
wrong. check the statistics.
OK
The Israeli population is about 8,2M
Now the question is how many are Jews of the Israeli population?
19,5% are non-Jews (Only including Christians, Muslims and Druze therefor the numbers are higher)
Therefor 80,5% are Jews (6,6 million - However the numbers are lower than this given the fact that the Israeli population does not only consist of Christians, Muslims and Druze - And then the question is how many of the 6,6 million Israelies still consider themselves Jews).
In the US the American Jewish population ranges from 5,4million up to 8,3million.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
The argument is that all Jews have the right to live protected in a national homeland, in the aftermath of centuries of persecution. That is like saying, that all Muslims in India has the right to live protected in a national homeland (PAKISTAN) in order to avoid persecution in the hand of the Hindu majority in India. However, Israel justify this claim further by claiming that Jews have historical rights upon Jerusalem and its surroundings... just like Muslims claims to have historical rights upon Mekka and Madina in Saudi Arabia.
If the European Jews want a national homeland then allow Europe to give them one in EUROPE. It was infact the stupid terrorist Europeans that killed about 6 million of their own brethren- therefor the Europeans are guilty. And what the Europeans did to the Jews is MUCH worse than what the 'radical moozlems' are doing to the Jews. Therefor by your logic- The Jews have the right to establish a homeland in Europe because they were 'oppressed'.
Danish Nazism
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_of_Denmark
Never forget that Denmark is a perfect source of right-wingers/Nazis that blame Immigration for their countrys stupidity and failure.
Hitler gased European Jews with Zyklon B. He chased them off entire Europe- Killed every European Jew he could see. However anti-semetism did not start in Europe with Hitler- It was much earlier than that especially when Europe was a Christian stone-age region were the primitive European Christians were attacking the European Jews because they were rich.
And secondly you're analogy of Israel and Pakistan is a failure IMO. Here is why
You're right that Indian Muslims belong in Pakistan and Pakistanis belong in India. It's all the same. The founding fathers of Israel on the otherhand were EUROPEAN Immigrants that are in NO way connected to Palestine.
Indian and Pakistanis are the same. Palestinians and Israelies are NOT the same.
And NOT ALL MUSLIMS belong in Saudi-Arabia. Arabs only represent about 13% of the Muslim population- The rest are South-Asians/Europeans/etc. And even of these Arabs not all come from Saudi-Arabia. Saudi-Arabia is a country for ALL SAUDIS regardless of religion and gender. Muslims do not have historical claims to Mekka and Medina- The historical sites still belong to Saudi-Arabia and NOT Muslims. Mekka and Medina might be holy places to Islam but they are in Saudi-Arabia therefor they belong to Saudi-Arabia and not to anybody else. And there is a difference between having genetical ties and historical ties. Historical ties is useless and does not mean anything. There are Japanese, African, European Jews- They DON'T belong in Palestine instead they belong in their own countries. A Swedish Christian does NOT belong in Bettlehem but rather in Sweden.
Again you are contradicting yourself. Earlier you praised secularism and now you make religious arguments against Israel
I'm not against Israel because the Qur'an said so. I'm against Israel because I believe that NO nation has the right to build a religious homeland on Arab land no matter how many times it tries to sugarcoat its history with 'democracy' and 'secularism'. And the founding fathers of Israel were EUROPEAN Jewish Immigrants and not even Palestinian Jews(Although they were called Palestinian Jews because they were illegaly given citizenship in Palestine by the British regime).
I'm simply debunking the id?a that the Qur'an somehow supports a Jewish homeland letalone an Israeli homeland. The Qur'an mentions ZERO about it. I've not even read the entire Qur'an and yet I know better than most 'Muslims'. Many people told me that the Qur'an somehows supports the existance of Israel and they are correct but the Qur'an supports the existance of Israel for the ISRAELITES but not the Jews. Sadly some sheikhs go around to spread this propaganda that somehow the Qur'an says that 'Israel is the homeland for the Jews'. What a joke- They've obviously never even read the Qur'an. Regardless- It does not matter what the Qur'an says but what morals and ethics say. No country has the right to establish a religious homeland.
Not all Saudi Arabians are Muslims either. what difference does that make?
It makes no difference. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I was pointing out the fact that not all ISRAELITES were Jews because many of them chose to leave their religion due to oppression and persecution- Others chose to convert to another religion therefor not all Israelites were Jews.
Your lack of logic is truly astonishing Because Allah did not mention the terms ''Jews'' or ''Israelis'' in the Quran, you conclude that Allah does not support the existence of the modern state of Israel in year 2014. But because Allah mentioned ''Bani Israel'' in the Quran, Allah supports an ''Israelitie'' religious homeland instead. o o ??? ???
(you earlier claimed to be against religious homelands.)
No what I'm saying is that the Qur'an does NOT support a homeland for the Israelies or the Jews but rather for the Israelites. I know life sucks but that's what Allah says now accept it. I don't care about religions but I will always debunk those who claim that Allah was somehow a Zionist.
I'm AGAINST religious homelands. And just because I'm quoting from the Qur'an does not make me a religious nutjob. Regardless of what the Qur'an says- Palestine has a lot more right to exist than Israhell.
The reason why I quoted the Qur'an was to debunk those 'Muslims' especially the sheikhs who think that Allah gave the land to the Jews.Israel is a state in the Middle East, not a parasite in Palestine as Palestine is not a ''state''.
It is a parasite in Palestine. When cowardly Israel gets boycotted in the West for Palestine it begins to harm the Palestinians and their economy - The Israelies controll Palestinian waters, Palestinian government and everything of Palestine. It's hard removing Israel from Palestine given the fact that it resides to Palestine like a parasite. The only reason why the other Arab countries managed to become independant and Palestine didin't is because the other Arab states had no European Jews that were siding with the British/French regimes to tackle the uprisings. In Palestine on the otherhand it was different- The Palestinians who revolted were faced by European Jewish cannonfodder and the British regime(They wanted no Palestinian State) and given the fact that the Palestinians revolters were not armed so good(They were only farmers who were sick of the British regime) the entire uprising was brutally taken down by the British regime along with the European Jews. Meanwhile in the other Arab countries, the Arab nationalists chased off the Europeans for independance. In Syria
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How to become a State
Be approved by European countries and the US. (Terrorist nations).
'Palestinian' has existed longer than 'Israeli'. That's a fact- And another is that Palestine WILL be a state whether you and the Israelies like it or not. Sweden is going to approve of Palestinian existance- But it's a shame that our politics are soon to be ruled by a bunch of European right-winger scumbags(The same scumbags that were collabrating with Hitler).
Even the stupid Rothchild European Immigrants refered it to as Palestine in his letter regarding the Balfour declaration(A Zionist-British plan)..
http//s28.postimg.org/jwr8j31ul/Balfour_portrait_and_declaration.jpg
BTW Some of my cousins are ethnically Swedish and Palestinians- They'll be happy to know that Sweden stands behind Palestine and not Israhell. But just like Israel, European countries such as Denmark has absolutely no right to exist either. Danish people are Germans and have no culture, language or history of their own. While the Arab countries had plenty of civilizations, Denmark and many other Western-European nations didin't even exist and were barbaric primitive nations were their inhabitants were killing each other big time..
Israels existence has not only harmed some Palestinians, but also some Israelis themselves. However, that's by no means a reason to abolish a sovereign state, just as the fact that the existence of Nigeria has caused harm to some Nigerians isn't a reason to abolish Nigeria as a state.
It's probaly the worst sovereign state I have ever seen. Jews/Israelies have no culture, language or traditions of their own- What they're speaking today is an Israelite(A small middle-eastern tribe that existed thousands of years ago until it was asorbed finally by the Arabs) language. One could argue that Israel is not really a country but rather a European colony that is attaching itself like a parasite to Palestine removing the Palestinian history, language and culture(Canaan and the Israelite version of Israel will always be a part of Palestinian history and that is something the Europeans will never be able to steal). Yes whether you like it or not- Israel will be abolished just like Ottoman was abolished and just like the Islamic State will be destroyed. Israel = The Jewish version of 'Caliphate'.
Israels existance does not harm the Israelies but the Palestinians. That IS a reason to abolish the so called 'sovereign state'. And Israel is demolishing Palestinian homes in the West bank everyday.
All we as outsiders residing in the West can do is to encourage Israelis and Palestinians in negotiating over a two state solution, build friendships between Palestinians and Israelis and encourage Palestinians to apply democratic and secular values in their territories in order for the West to take them more seriously. But ultimately the future of Israel and Palestine is going to be determined by its inhabitants Only the Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East have the power to resolve their issues and create a better future for themselves and their children. However, the only way to achieve that is if both parties let go of the past, and focus on the current reality.
It's obvious that Israel does not want Palestine to become independant and Israel is the one provoking the Palestinians and then later on acting victimized by 'MOOZLEM TERRORISTS'. And why should Palestine negioate over a 'two-state solution' anyway? No one has the right to force a Jewish European Immigration into Palestine and then act now as if the EUROPEAN Jews own 50% of Palestine. The land belongs to the Palestinians. Imagine if some retarded colonizers who colonized Sweden decided to force a Christian Danish Immigration to Sweden. Now after a descent population of the Christian Danish in Sweden.. The UN or whatever tries to impose a resolution allowing Danish to controll their territory and Swedes controll theirs to prevent war/nationalism.. Now Sweden refuses due to the fact that they owned all of the land from the very beginning. That's exactly what happened in Palestine, hence the rise of Palestinian nationalism. People need to call these Israelies 'European Jews'.. Because that's what they are. Seriously.. They're European Jews who have a fetish for the Israelites. It was good that there was no UN during the time Swedes retook Sk?ne and kicked out the Danish.. Because maybe today the Danish would end up controlling Sweden(Were they would turn it into a Christian Danish homeland giving all the Christians the right to 'return' and have their Danish citizenship for being Christians lol) and Sweden would end up like the Gaza strip. Haha just kidding I'm laughing because it's impossible.. Regardless if there was a UN today, Sweden would still destroy Denmark or anyone that tries to threaten it. Sweden produces ten times stronger weapons than most European countries including Denmark and could have become like the US.. But who wants to destroy their economy by focusing on military? Sweden only wants peace unlike Denmark that tried to attack Sweden and failed in almost all wars. Sweden > Denmark.
And the Westerners are terrorists and are only on Israels side. I love how Europe pretends to be an 'observer' and 'peace-maker' in this conflict yet the Europeans are equally as responsible for the state of Israel(Britain created Israel by forcing a European Jewish Mass Immigration to Palestine which contributed to the creation of Israel). And I see absolutely no reason for why Europeans should be welcomed in the Arab world. The Arab world already annilihated the European once as a response to the killings of Arab Muslims in Jerusalem. Just go and see how Saladin decapitated Raynad of Chattalon(A oompa loompa European terrorist that slaughtered innocent Arab Muslims). IMO it was a mistake of Saladin of not entering Europe- He should have paid the Western European nations a visit. And who are these Westerners to act 'civilized' just take a look at the terrorist groups they are supporting in Syria. After the war I hope the European ambassadors and the Wahabbis are thrown into jail. I also hope that the Arab world one day stops oppressing the Kurds- If anything it's the European 'Muslims'(especially those scumbags that are South-Asians) that should be oppressed for their support of terrorist groups. What have the Kurds ever done? Absolutely nothing. Now take a look at these European 'muslim' such as Anjem Choudry for example.. Or what about those Danish morons that name themselves Al-Denmarki? Or what about those European 'muslim' scumbags that have been sugarcoating Islamic State militants/terrorists with the name 'Freedom fighter'/'Rebel'? They're terrorists big time.
Look what happened to your European bruddas as they tried to establish a 'Muslim' homeland in Iraq
http//www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/05/danish_jihadist_kill.php - Danish jihadist killed
https//twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/440022713147465728 - Al-Denmarki Al-Hmar was sent back to hell by the brave Iraqi army.
West-European 'Muslims' are such loosers really. They are either Western apologists or Islamists. Sadly these people can walk into the Arab world and because they are 'muslims' they can do whatever they want. Many of these thugs were destroyed by Kurdish fighters and were found with Turkish stamps on their passports. Most people who claim to represent the moderate Islam always try to defend the West and act like Western apologists which goes against everything they represent. They then defend Israel, acting as if 'Jew' is somehow an ethnic term and that all Jews belong in Palestine. They then act as if they oppose the Islamic State but they promote Israel which is almost no different than the Islamic State- The only difference is that Israel has managed to sugarcoat its history and state by acting 'democratic' and 'secular'. The Muslim Western apologists say absolutely NOTHING about the Islamic State- No instead they are good at pointers fingers at Hamas despite the Islamic State being a bigger threat.
The West is equally as barbaric as Israel. American/European Warcrimes
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
European/Western culture and history in a nutshell
http//i.imgur.com/z6vmaWO.png
http//i.imgur.com/Bpfto8t.jpgWestern-European Muslim apologists = FAIL.
And I do not care about religious homelands establishing themselves in South-Asia. Let me be clear I do not want religious homelands in the Middle-east. I want the best for the Middle-east, I could care less about Europe or South-Asia. Give the Jews Denmark instead- After all this country was a HUGE Nazi country during WW2 and oppressed the Jews big time. It would be an Arab dream come true to see Denmark breaking up.
and encourage Palestinians to apply democratic and secular values in their territories in order for the West to take them more seriously.
Nobody takes the Westerners seriously when they try to act civilized and democratic. You read their history - you'd think that Satan was from there. The Westerners have a history of a carpet, yet they enjoy pretending to be 'civilized' oh dear. The fact that the Western nations are supportng Israel and are contributing to the creation of the Islamic State(By not preventing the jihadists from leaving Europe) just like they contributed to the creation of Israel makes the Westerners uncivilized. If these Europeans have shown us anything, it's only that they're uncivilized and nothing else. All the reasons to put them on a terrorist list. Hundreds/Thousands of years ago, the West was a living hell. History proves it.
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Peace
I read your "book",sorry your post!
Take your time with the next one.Let me -digest- what you are saying first?
Happy new year to all the good people.Jews.Christians, Muslims. Hindus,...etc
GOD bless you.
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I try to keep my text as short as possible but there is a lot to write about the Israelies AKA the Europeans. I do admit that I copy some text from my previous posts as I'm too lazy to write new ones.
It's funny how some people make statements such as Israel is surrounded by "jew hating" countries, or this Israel-Palestine conflict is a religious issue. I always like to bring up the FACT that prior to recent history (i.e. before world war 1) jews/Christians/muslims lived in harmony in that area, no major problems at all. I wonder what changed eh.
They only use 'anti-semetism' to their advantage. Europe is probaly the biggest anti-semitic region that exists world wide. Israeli logic = Side with European fascist/Nazi political parties that hates both Muslims and Jews and then accuse people of being anti-semites if they simply criticize Israel.
Nobody takes the pro-Israelies seriously when they accuse you of being anti-semitic. This word has become a joke today thanks to the ZioNAZI scumbags.
People like Robert Spencer or Pamella Geller(Two European muslimphobic parasites) are a huge fan of the Swedish Democrats(Which used to collabrate with the Nazis during WW2 just like many other pathetic European political parties). There are plenty of Nazis in the so called 'civilized' Denmark too. Some of my cousins are ethnically half-Swedish and they laugh at these morons. And I don't really understand how the Swedish Democrats can be considered 'Swedish nationalists'- If anything they love Hitler the same German tool that was going to invade and destroy Sweden. That makes them anti-Sweden instead. But of course today they pretend to be 'moderate' and how they 'condemn' Nazism while their entire history is Nazism. The only reason they pretend to be 'moderate' is to gain more voters and sadly many idiots fall for it to.
Colonialism, or imperialism. No mistery there.
But the Imperial propaganda machine wants us to "learn" that there is a terrible religious problem with all that, and happily kicks and puts out of existence Palestinian Christians, who supposedly do not exist nor have existed.
Imperialism, yes, imperialism is the reason not any sin of any Palestinian. May God bless Palestine and Palestinian pople who struggle for justice and their legitimate rights. And may those who wish them ill be humilliated, as they want to humilliate a trodden upon people.
Salaam
Don't forget to tell them how the PFLP(Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) was started by a Palestinian Christian. Why don't the Europeans ask Israel how many Palestinian christian politicians(especially from the PLO and the PFLP) its mossad has assassinated?
This flag was used to represent Palestine in 1938
http//i.imgur.com/1aweQZW.png
The flag was to represent a Palestinian Christian-Muslim unity and an uprising against the British empire and the forced European Jewish Immigration into Palestine. In any case it represents the cause of getting rid of the Euro trash. Believe me, you'd get the same response by the Palestinians if it were European Atheists, European Christians, European 'Muslims' or whatever.
Leila Khaled, a Palestinian fighter and member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http//i.imgur.com/cKIkJUl.jpg
I'd also like to mention Sanaa Mehaidli - She sacrificed herself(Even at a young age) to defend her homeland against the ZioNAZI scumbags. There should be a statue built for her.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana'a_Mehaidli - "A member of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party who, at the age of 16, blew herself and a Peugeot filled with explosives up next to an Israeli convoy in Jezzine, Lebanon, during the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon. Two Israeli soldiers were killed and twelve were injured.
Sana'a Mehaidli was born in the village of Anqoun, near Sidon, in Lebanon to an Arab Greek Orthodox Christian family. She has four brothers and one sister. She worked at a video store, where she later recorded her will. In early 1985, she joined the Syrian Social Nationalist Party that was affiliated with the Lebanese National Resistance Front.
She is believed to have been the first female suicide bomber. She is known as "the Bride of the South"."
But there was no point in becoming a suicide bomber - Today the Arab countries are in need of brave people like these and therefor we don't want them to suicide at all. I wish these Arabs who sacrificed themselves from the SSNP never sacrificed themselves. They could have always allowed the Arab countries to take care of Israel but I couldn't blame them- The Arab league is a failure that never helped Lebanon. I bet the Saudi regime was sending more billions of dollars to Afghanistan or Pakistan while Lebanon was being invaded by Israhell. I personally do not like the SSNP because their ideology was inspired by European fascists and nazis but I do like the Arabs who joined to remove Zionist terrorists from Lebanon. And I disagree with the tactics used by the SSNP such as suicide bombing for example not that I care about the pathetic Israelies that were killed but rather because I care about these Arabs and their lives are not worthless or meaningless. It's not worth sending these brave people to remove the European terrorist scumbags from Lebanon by suicide. Sanaa Mehaidli was a hero and will always be remembered.
These people have contributed more to the Arab world than Abdullah the Wahabbi moron has ever done. If Wahabbis/Royal family are good at anything it's to travel to Europe for European prostitution, to ruin the Arab world and to help the Europeans the same European terrorists that created Israel. Deport Abdullah and all the Wahabbis to Europe, preferably to Amsterdam or K?penhamn (Coopenhagen) IMO.
Arab leaders in a nutshell Regimes/dictators/clowns. Give the Europeans(The same Europeans that created and supports Israel) some more special privileges while oppressing the Arab- Christians, Jews and Muslims. These European warmongerers are morons along with the regimes that they support and oppose.
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It's funny how some people make statements such as Israel is surrounded by "jew hating" countries, or this Israel-Palestine conflict is a religious issue. I always like to bring up the FACT that prior to recent history (i.e. before world war 1) jews/Christians/muslims lived in harmony in that area, no major problems at all. I wonder what changed eh.
Yes, Israel is indeed surrounded by jew-hating countries, and the conflict has mostly developed into a religious one. This is why most Muslims support Palestinians and pray for the death of the Jews, and this is why most Jews support Israel. Before world war 1 there was not any harmony in that area, as the Turks were busy killing Armenians and raping non-muslims. Why do you think all hadith books insult Jews?
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Yes, Israel is indeed surrounded by jew-hating countries, and the conflict has mostly developed into a religious one. This is why most Muslims support Palestinians and pray for the death of the Jews, and this is why most Jews support Israel. Before world war 1 there was not any harmony in that area, as the Turks were busy killing Armenians and raping non-muslims. Why do you think all hadith books insult Jews?
What a sick discourse! It says nothing about Palestinians but it says a lot of the diseased minds which seek to humilliate the human beings Palestinians are. Defamation is very cheap indeed, at least in this life. It may turn out to be more expensive the Other.
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If you attack an Arab country and kill its citizens then expect retaliations.
Palestine was never a country, so Jews never ''attacked'' any ''country''. Palestine was a Turkish territoriality, which was granted to the Jews by the UN.
Today the Arab Christians are serving proudly in the Iraq army killing European 'Muslim' scumbags that are trying to establish another Israel. Just go and read about how the Danish savages were annilihated by the Iraqi army- Let it be an example to every European irhabi. Sadly the Arab Jews on the otherhand are looked upon as traitors because of an 'Arab' Jewish Zionist moron i.e Eli Cohlen(Who wasn't even Arab - He was a European scumbag carrying Arab citizenship) that spied on the Arab countries for Israel. The Arab countries consider the Jews to be traitors because of idiotic Europeans that were never orginally Arabs to begin with. Israel was terrorizing the Arab Jews- This was a way for Israel to be able to bring the Arab Jews to Israel so they could contribute to the moronic Israeli society. In Iraq they did so by placing bombs in areas frequented by Iraqis who were Jewish, then starting whispering campaigns that scared people into emigrating. The plan worked brilliantly, but then again, Israeli intelligence/covert operatives, had experience with such things from massacres like Deir Yassin. Ex-Zionist, ex-spy for Israel and a Jewish Iraqi like Naeim Giladi who smuggled Iraqi Jews from Iraq to Israel admitted that it was Jews killing Jews. "I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called "cruel Zionism." I write about it because I was part of it." His words. He wrote to 'The Link' about his book saying "About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel.."
I don't see what all the above has to do with my factual claim of Israel being surrounded by enemies?
The truth is that the European Jews were trouble makers which is why the Arab nations decided to get rid of them. The Arab nations wanted to get rid of all Europeans especially those that colonized the Arab countries.
yes yes the old anti-jewish conspiracy theory of Jews being trouble makers (the same propaganda Hitler used).. this is exactly why Jews need a religious homeland where they can live in peace away from all jew haters.
The Jews are not the enemy but the Israelies and the Europeans.
first you agreed with Hitler about Jews being trouble makers and now you contradict yourself by saying that Jews are not the enemy
Egypt and Jordan has a lot of trade with Israel over gas and resources and there are Israeli ambassadors in these countries for diplomatic relations. Only Syria and Lebanon opposes Israel and has not signed any treaty therefor these countries are still at war with Israel and therefor Israel is not really surrounded. The only ones who have a history of hatred towards the Jews are your kind; i.e the Europeans. The Europeans have killed MILLIONS of EUROPEAN Jews because they were Jews. I can assure you that the history of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan is a lot more PRO-JEWISH than say pathetic European countries such as Denmark for example.
The Egyptian and Jordanian governments have made peace with Israel, not their population. So there is always a risk of some Egyptian or Jordanian terrorist entering Israel, so yes Israel is indeed surrounded by Jew haters. The dictator Bashar Al-Assad is too busy killing his own people to focus on Israel right now..
Yah not only that but they are buying more garbage weapons from the Europeans. The Europeans enjoy selling weapons to countries with dictators
You forgot to mention your Russian friends, who are also very happy to supply weapons to your dictator and your Lord, Bashar in Syria.
Wahabbis/Europeans are destroying another Arab country
.Aha so the Muslims in Saudi Arabia and the Europeans are the villains in your head
No such thing as 'defending itself'. It was orginally called Palestine until the Israelies(Who were orginally European Jewish Immigrants) Immigrated to Palestine and began to destroy the Palestinian independance against the British empire(By siding with the British regime against the Palestinians who revolted). The Israelies are the aggressors. Today the Israelies are demolishing Palestinian homes in the West bank so they can be replaced with 'Jewish' settlements - In any case it's the Arab world defending itself against Israel. If the Arab world does not take action then in the future there will be no Palestinian State as Israel is eating Palestinian land. Absolutely unacceptable.
And how does all that change the fact that Israel today in 2014 has to defend itself?
No people DO see a reason for why China exists. Israelies on the otherhand has no culture, language or traditions of its own. They stole it all from Canaan to Palestine. Unlike Israhell, China has its own language, culture and traditions. And the founding fathers of China weren't a bunch of Immigrants from Europe.
Wrong. Most Israelis, if you disregard the 20 percent Arab Israelis, have the Jewish religion and the Hebrew language as its own. And Jews have, just like Muslims and Christians historical roots in that area. And again, they didn't ''steal'' anything, they were GRANTED a state by the UN on a TURKISH territory.
Pakistan DOES not DECLARE itself as a 'Muslim' country and neither does Pakistan pay thousands of dollars to all Muslims worldwide so they can Immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being 'muslim'.
You have absolutely no knowledge of Pakistan then. The name of Pakistan in urdu is ''Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan'' which means ''The Islamic republic of Pakistan''. Pakistan was build to be a MUSLIM homeland for INDIANS, which means that Muslims for all India could immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being ''Muslims''. For example, My maternal grandparents were Indians living in Delhi, but immigrated to Lahore in Pakistan when the partition happened and got Pakistani citizenship because they were ''Muslims'' and this is the story of millions of Muslim Indians who immigrated to Pakistan.
Tbh I don't care about how Pakistan was formed; the fact is that Pakistan is a country for all Pakistanis regardless of religion.
I just compared Israel and Pakistan on how they were formed, so if you don't care about it then don't comment on it. And I just told you that the official name of Pakistan is Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan, and that it was build as a muslim homeland for indian muslims, AND TODAY its punishable by death for leaving the religion of islam,so who told you that Pakistan is a country for all Pakistanis regardless of religion?
Pakistan DOES not demolish Indian Hindu homes while it replaces them with Pakistani Muslim settlements.
Not from the view point of the Pakistanis today. But many Indians saw Pakistan as an islamic settlement in their country, as Pakistan was a part of INDIA prior to its foundation.
I can assure you - You're only insulting Pakistan by saying this. No it's not both 'similiar' at all. Secondly why do you compare Israel to Pakistan? Are you from Pakistan?
A fact is a fact, whether you like it or not.
I just gave you ALLLLLLLLLL the looooooooooooooooooooooong liste of how Israel and Pakistan can be compared, and now you are asking me why I compare these two countries. Either you don't read what I am writing or you are slow in understanding.
I was born in Denmark to Pakistani parents.
If the Islamic State would become democracy tomorrow I bet that you would probaly support its existance because it's 'democratic' ignoring all the crimes it has committed towards the Iraqis, Syrians and Kurds
You have no understanding of global rules. You cannot create a state upon an already established sovereign NATIONAL state, which makes ISIS meaningless. This is also why the Zionist extremists who are dreaming of a ''great-Israel'' will be forever disappointed, as Israel cannot overtake other established sovereign national states like Jordan and Lebanon. The only reason they could be granted Palestine is because Palestine was NOT a state or country, it was a Turkish and then British territory.
Comparing Pakistan to Israel is really a terrible comparison no offense. So you're saying that Pakistan should be a homeland for Muslims?
Again you missed the point. Pakistan was BUILD as a homeland for INDIAN MUSLIMS. I hope you get the point now.
So I as a Muslim can come to Pakistan and be granted citizenship for being a Muslim? No thanks dear.
Yes if you was an Indin Muslim when Pakistan was being formed, you could be granted Pakistan citizenship.
and I believe that you are only giving Pakistan a more terrible future by imposing religious nationalism
.I cannot ''give'' Pakistan a terrible future, and I cannot ''impose'' religious nationalism on Pakistan either. This can only be done by Pakistanis living inside Pakistan.
IMO Pakistan should be a country for all Pakistanis and not for all Muslims
I agree. But your and my opinions cannot change facts or reality.
I believe in equality to all Arabs regardless of religion-
But you said above that you dislike Arabs who are Wahhabis?
And the Golan Heights belongs to Syria and not to a bunch of European scumbags
.Very ''mature'' argument indeed
The Arab governments/regimes are just as bad as the Europeans
Except the dictator Bashar, his government is very good right?
Actually the Saudi regime spends $3 billions of dollars a year on Wahabbism.
Wahbbism is a form of Sunni Islam.
Europeans are honestly like a virus-
Some more European bashing
They infect the Arab world making sure that the Arab world will never become democracy
Its hard to turn Arab countries like Syria into a democracy when Russia supports its dictator with weapons.
How am I stereotyping anybody? Over-generalization? How? Conspiracy theory regarding the fact that the Saudis spend $3 billions of dollars a year on Wahabbism/Religious stupidity?
In my earlier post I already pointed your conspiracy theories out, so stop playing dumb. Here are just some of your conspiracy theories
The Western nations don't want this- They want Shariah law in the Arab countries which is why they support Wahabbism(A radical primitive religious ideology
The Europeans enjoy selling weapons to countries with dictators
Sadly today the Gulf-countries are trying to attack Iran by creating sectarian wars with their oil-money. It's sad that oil-money is given to a bunch of barbarians (The Royal family). The Royal family has contributed ZERO to the Arab world and is only destroying the Arab world by trying to attack Iran, allowing the Europeans to walk into the Arab world, funding terrorism in the Arab countries, sending resources to the South-Asian countries and not the other Arab countries and so on. The Arab countries could easily annihilate Israel.
But Wahabbis are not Muslims anyway. Wahabbism = Nazism.
Iran is indeed a poor victim being attacked by sectarian wars. The European warmongerers/apologists and the barbaric Royal family seems to have a fetish in destroying Iran- But keep dreaming that will never happen. I'm all for democratic reforms in Iran I just hope that the Iranians know that the Europeans and the Wahabbis wants to hjiack their uprising because they want Iran to fall back to square one again.
hence the West's support of Islamist groups like Al-Nusra, Islamic Front and the Islamic State
So in short, you are a great conspiracy theorist maker with your vivid fantasy and difficulties in separating your emotions from facts.
And how you are stereotyping and overgeneralizing? Here are some of your quotes which are highly stereotyping other humans and overgeneralizing
But Wahabbis are not Muslims anyway. Wahabbism = Nazism.
I'm also against the European 'Muslim'/Islamist scumbags.
The Arab governments/regimes are just as bad as the Europeans
The only thing Europe is known for is brothel
Europeans are honestly like a virus-
Today the Kurds are exposing NATO for what it is; a European terrorist organisation.
BTW I thought you were a big fan of George W Bush because you're a Western apologist.
Secondly, Europe and Saudi-Arabia is indeed a part of the Axis of Evil.
The only thing the Saudis come for Europe is for sex-tourism and nothing else
Do you want more examples of how you are involved in stereotyping, hatemonger and hugely exaggerations and over generalizations of millions of people?
OK
The Israeli population is about 8,2M
Now the question is how many are Jews of the Israeli population?
19,5% are non-Jews (Only including Christians, Muslims and Druze therefor the numbers are higher)
Therefor 80,5% are Jews (6,6 million - However the numbers are lower than this given the fact that the Israeli population does not only consist of Christians, Muslims and Druze - And then the question is how many of the 6,6 million Israelies still consider themselves Jews).
In the US the American Jewish population ranges from 5,4million up to 8,3million.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
Yes between 5,5 and 8 million (depending on the definition)Jews are in the US compared to 6,6-7 million Jews in Israel. AND how many Jews in the US have lived earlier in Israel or are planning to move to Israel? And how many Israeli citizens live in the USA? Many questions have to be taken into consideration before you can say that there are more Jews in the USA then Israel, and the most importance question of all is to define who is Jewish. Is it the classical definition of someone whose mother is Jewish?
If the European Jews want a national homeland then allow Europe to give them one in EUROPE.
You cannot give Jews or anybody a national homeland on already established national sovereign states like those in Europe. Secondly, the Jews already have Israel so why should they be given another homeland in Europe?
'Palestinian' has existed longer than 'Israeli'.
Yes as a territorial name for people who live in that territory. However, Israeli describes a person who is a citizen of the national state of Israel.
Israels existance does not harm the Israelies but the Palestinians. That IS a reason to abolish the so called 'sovereign state'. And Israel is demolishing Palestinian homes in the West bank everyday.
You have absolutely no understanding of what a national state is. If Palestinians perceive the existence of Israel to be harmful for them, then that is their problem not Israels problem. Just like it is not Pakistans problem if India perceive Pakistans existence to be harmful to India. You don't just abolish sovereign states by the opinions of haters.
Peace.
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Peace
I read your "book",sorry your post!
Take your time with the next one.Let me -digest- what you are saying first?
Happy new year to all the good people.Jews.Christians, Muslims. Hindus,...etc
GOD bless you.
Peace.Red rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
And happy new year to you too
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What a sick discourse! It says nothing about Palestinians but it says a lot of the diseased minds which seek to humilliate the human beings Palestinians are. Defamation is very cheap indeed, at least in this life. It may turn out to be more expensive the Other.
You made absolutely no constructive or concrete argument in the above, dear Huruf. The above only shows contempt for facts, a highly subjective emotional possessive bonding with all Palestinians, and threat of hell to everyone who doesn't hate Israel and love Palestinians.
I expected more objectivity from you, Huruf.
Peace
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Palestine was never a country, so Jews never ''attacked'' any ''country''. Palestine was a Turkish territoriality, which was granted to the Jews by the UN.
I don't see what all the above has to do with my factual claim of Israel being surrounded by enemies?
yes yes the old anti-jewish conspiracy theory of Jews being trouble makers (the same propaganda Hitler used).. this is exactly why Jews need a religious homeland where they can live in peace away from all jew haters.
first you agreed with Hitler about Jews being trouble makers and now you contradict yourself by saying that Jews are not the enemyThe Egyptian and Jordanian governments have made peace with Israel, not their population. So there is always a risk of some Egyptian or Jordanian terrorist entering Israel, so yes Israel is indeed surrounded by Jew haters. The dictator Bashar Al-Assad is too busy killing his own people to focus on Israel right now..
You forgot to mention your Russian friends, who are also very happy to supply weapons to your dictator and your Lord, Bashar in Syria.
.Aha so the Muslims in Saudi Arabia and the Europeans are the villains in your head
And how does all that change the fact that Israel today in 2014 has to defend itself?
Wrong. Most Israelis, if you disregard the 20 percent Arab Israelis, have the Jewish religion and the Hebrew language as its own. And Jews have, just like Muslims and Christians historical roots in that area. And again, they didn't ''steal'' anything, they were GRANTED a state by the UN on a TURKISH territory.
You have absolutely no knowledge of Pakistan then. The name of Pakistan in urdu is ''Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan'' which means ''The Islamic republic of Pakistan''. Pakistan was build to be a MUSLIM homeland for INDIANS, which means that Muslims for all India could immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being ''Muslims''. For example, My maternal grandparents were Indians living in Delhi, but immigrated to Lahore in Pakistan when the partition happened and got Pakistani citizenship because they were ''Muslims'' and this is the story of millions of Muslim Indians who immigrated to Pakistan.
I just compared Israel and Pakistan on how they were formed, so if you don't care about it then don't comment on it. And I just told you that the official name of Pakistan is Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan, and that it was build as a muslim homeland for indian muslims, AND TODAY its punishable by death for leaving the religion of islam,so who told you that Pakistan is a country for all Pakistanis regardless of religion?
Not from the view point of the Pakistanis today. But many Indians saw Pakistan as an islamic settlement in their country, as Pakistan was a part of INDIA prior to its foundation.
A fact is a fact, whether you like it or not.
I just gave you ALLLLLLLLLL the looooooooooooooooooooooong liste of how Israel and Pakistan can be compared, and now you are asking me why I compare these two countries. Either you don't read what I am writing or you are slow in understanding.
I was born in Denmark to Pakistani parents.
You have no understanding of global rules. You cannot create a state upon an already established sovereign NATIONAL state, which makes ISIS meaningless. This is also why the Zionist extremists who are dreaming of a ''great-Israel'' will be forever disappointed, as Israel cannot overtake other established sovereign national states like Jordan and Lebanon. The only reason they could be granted Palestine is because Palestine was NOT a state or country, it was a Turkish and then British territory.
Again you missed the point. Pakistan was BUILD as a homeland for INDIAN MUSLIMS. I hope you get the point now.
Yes if you was an Indin Muslim when Pakistan was being formed, you could be granted Pakistan citizenship.
.I cannot ''give'' Pakistan a terrible future, and I cannot ''impose'' religious nationalism on Pakistan either. This can only be done by Pakistanis living inside Pakistan.
I agree. But your and my opinions cannot change facts or reality.
But you said above that you dislike Arabs who are Wahhabis?
.Very ''mature'' argument indeed
Except the dictator Bashar, his government is very good right?
Wahbbism is a form of Sunni Islam.
Some more European bashing
Its hard to turn Arab countries like Syria into a democracy when Russia supports its dictator with weapons.
In my earlier post I already pointed your conspiracy theories out, so stop playing dumb. Here are just some of your conspiracy theories
So in short, you are a great conspiracy theorist maker with your vivid fantasy and difficulties in separating your emotions from facts.
And how you are stereotyping and overgeneralizing? Here are some of your quotes which are highly stereotyping other humans and overgeneralizing
Do you want more examples of how you are involved in stereotyping, hatemonger and hugely exaggerations and over generalizations of millions of people?
OK
Yes between 5,5 and 8 million (depending on the definition)Jews are in the US compared to 6,6-7 million Jews in Israel. AND how many Jews in the US have lived earlier in Israel or are planning to move to Israel? And how many Israeli citizens live in the USA? Many questions have to be taken into consideration before you can say that there are more Jews in the USA then Israel, and the most importance question of all is to define who is Jewish. Is it the classical definition of someone whose mother is Jewish?
You cannot give Jews or anybody a national homeland on already established national sovereign states like those in Europe. Secondly, the Jews already have Israel so why should they be given another homeland in Europe?
Yes as a territorial name for people who live in that territory. However, Israeli describes a person who is a citizen of the national state of Israel.
You have absolutely no understanding of what a national state is. If Palestinians perceive the existence of Israel to be harmful for them, then that is their problem not Israels problem. Just like it is not Pakistans problem if India perceive Pakistans existence to be harmful to India. You don't just abolish sovereign states by the opinions of haters.
Peace.
Palestine was never a country, so Jews never ''attacked'' any ''country''. Palestine was a Turkish territoriality, which was granted to the Jews by the UN.
The defination of a country
"A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics."
Palestine on the map as there was no such thing as 'Israel' during this time and 'Israelies' didin't even exist
http//s23.postimg.org/5dwbeeu97/Palestine_Before_Nakba.jpg
This is a map from year 1946 on Palestine and its borders. Was Palestine a country be defination? Yes. What Palestine occupied? Yes. By Who? The British Empire that was forcing a European Jewish Mass Immigration into Palestine. Did the Palestinians just like the other Arabs in the other Arab countries start a revolt against the barbaric British regime? Yes - Sadly the uprising was taken down brutally by the British regime with the help of the European Jews as they didin't want Palestine to become independant. Palestine already qualifies for independance today and is missing land too(All stolen by Israel).
Lies and more lies. It was a country occupied by the Turks and after the Arabs revolted it was later on occupied by the British empire which later on forced a Mass Immigration of European Jews into Palestine. Regardless if it was not independant, the fact is that according to the British mandate the Arabs owned the majority of the land. Now figure out why; Because the Palestinian Arabs(Arabized) were in Palestine long before the European Jews.
The land was still mostly governed by Palestinian Arabs, most of the land were still controlled by Palestinian Arabs. Infact as of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of the Palestine's lands(I refer to you the book "British Mandate A Survey of Palestine", prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan).
Palestine was illegaly granted to the Jews by the UN. The European Jews can not be 'granted' anything given the fact that they were never even from Palestine to begin with, hence 'EUROPEAN'.
I don't see what all the above has to do with my factual claim of Israel being surrounded by enemies?
Like usual, you only cherry-pick some of my text.
If you attack an Arab country and kill its citizens then expect retaliations. If you occupy an Arab country then yes you will be faced by plenty of enemies. Stop making Israel look 'innocent' when it's occupying land in the West Bank while bombing Gaza. The fact is that the Palestinian Arabs owned the majority of the land; yet today they own only a little of the land. Of course the Arab countries will intervene and make sure that Palestinians will be able to live in their own country. There are reasons for why Israel has enemies. And again you can't say 'surrounded'. Only two countries are at war with Israel- the rest are making deals with Israel.
The Egyptian and Jordanian governments have made peace with Israel, not their population. So there is always a risk of some Egyptian or Jordanian terrorist entering Israel, so yes Israel is indeed surrounded by Jew haters. The dictator Bashar Al-Assad is too busy killing his own people to focus on Israel right now..
The Egyptian REGIME*(The same regime that allowed Mubarak to get away with his crimes) and the Jordanian REGIME*. Actually there has been NO Egyptian or Jodanian terrorists entering Israel. The population hate Israhell indeed and what could you ever do about it? It's their own will. The more you bomb Palestine the more hate will increase. Stop victimizing Israel and acting as if Israel is hated for nothing. There are reasons and NO being a 'Jewish state' is not one of them. I have been to Egypt by the way- the majority Egyptians are against Islamist groups such as the MB which is why 40 million Egyptian decided to protest against Morsi. I remember asking an Egyptian once why the Muslim brotherhood are hated; he told me that there are many reasons. Giving Egypt a terrible economy, removing secularism, bringing Egypt back to square one and Israel being behind the Muslim brotherhood to destabilize Egypt.
yes yes the old anti-jewish conspiracy theory of Jews being trouble makers (the same propaganda Hitler used).. this is exactly why Jews need a religious homeland where they can live in peace away from all jew haters.
Actually the European Jews who were given Arab citizenship were trouble-makers in the Arab countries. They were spying on the Arab countries coordinating attacks with the Israelies whom the Arabs were at war with. No countries like when you have people spying on your land especially when the Arabs gave them citizenship and shelter from the Nazis. Should Anjem Choudry live in Britain when he hates Britain? No way. What would happen if Anjem Choudry all the sudden decided to use his British citizenship to be a spy for ISIS, would the Europeans then not do the same and expell his kind(i.e the Islamists). There are still Arab Jews in the Arab countries and they are definently welcome anyday but the European trash who used their citizenship to spy on the Arab countries are terrorists and should not be welcomed. Anyone that does not intergrate and only uses their citizenship to attack the same country that gave them shelter deserves to be deported/expelled.
In Nazi-Germany, the Jews were innocent and did not blow up synagouges or terrorize other Jews to make them leave Germany and neither did German Jews collabrate against Germany and were people just working therefor the Jews were innocent. In the Arab countries on the otherhand it was different- Just like Naeim Giladi once wrote "It was Jews killing Jews" He was refering to the European Jews who were throwing molotovs at Arab Jewish synagouges and terrorizing the Arab Jews to make them flee the Arab countries to Israhell. The Jewish communities had flourished in Arab lands for thousands of years, and they contributed greatly to Arab culture as did all other peoples who settled in the Arab World. Off the coast of Tunisia, on a small island of Djerba, a Jewish colony lived that traced its presence there to at least 1000 BC.
Nice try on using Nazi comparision. And you have no right to talk about anti-semetism given the fact that you probaly support European political right-wing parties that all have historically cooperated with Nazis, or am I wrong? Either way - Europeans EXPOSED. The European Christian crusaders slaughtered both Middle-eastern Muslims and Jews until Saladin annilihated the Europeans and sent them back to their oompa loompa God which is why they rann back to Europe(Like cowards) and left Palestine alone. Saladin was really kind given the fact that he chose to forgive the European crusaders for their stupidity.
first you agreed with Hitler about Jews being trouble makers and now you contradict yourself by saying that Jews are not the enemy
Many EUROPEAN JEWS were trouble-makers in the Arab world but NOT ALL JEWS(e.g Arab Jews) are trouble-makers. The European Jews who were granted Arab citizenship(e.g Eli Cohlen) were collabrating with Israel against the Arab countries because they both only cared about Zionism that does not mean all Jews are trouble-makers or Zionists and therefor the Jews are not the problem. This only implies one thing; Being a Jew has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's the fact that they were European Zionist terrorists.
And WHERE did I agree with Hitler about the Jews? I have already stated the German Jews were innocent that were attacked by primitive EUROPEAN Christians because the GERMAN Jews were somehow considered rich. And I've stated hundred times that I do NOT hate Jews.
You forgot to mention your Russian friends, who are also very happy to supply weapons to your dictator and your Lord, Bashar in Syria.
Bashar is not my lord. And YOU were supporting Islamist/Rebel groups in Syria big time - The same Islamist groups that were decapitating its captives so you have no right to talk about Bashar. Your Turkey has been giving Islamist groups in Syria plenty of weapons to go and kill. Your stupid West along with the Royal Family from the entire Gulf created the Islamic State- And even now lots of American weapons are falling into the hands of the Islamists(Especially US weapons as the US is good at 'accidently' airdropping weapons to the wrong people). Plenty of 'rebels' are defecting to the Islamic state. Not to mention you were actually trying to sugarcoat the rebels in Syria with the name 'freedom fighter' or 'rebel' And then trying to convince yourself that they are 'rebels' because they 'defected' ignoring the fact that anybody can claim to be a 'defector' of the Syrian army. I'm against Bashar(Especially now when he uses barrel bombs which is outrageous and therefor he is only loosing support and he is a terrorist) - I have never liked Bashar but I do not want Islamist groups taking over Syria and destroying its heritage. Stop supporting irhabi groups in Syria. This IS why Denmark and many other European nations will always be on a terrorist list. It's not only for Palestine but for Syria and Iraq too.
Aha so the Muslims in Saudi Arabia and the Europeans are the villains in your head
Absolutely. Don't like it? Your own kind's fault. I never said the 'Muslims' in Saudi-Arabia - There is a difference between Wahabbis and Muslims and I as a Muslim oppose Wahabbism hundred percent. And the Europeans are truly a cancer - History will always prove it no matter what. You have not given me any arguments for why Europeans are NOT warmongerers. You could argue that I'm generalising but I'm refering to the European leaders and the European history. Will you acknowledge the fact that Europe has harmed the European Jews more than the evil 'MOOOOOOOOOOZLEM TERRORISTS' ever could have done? Will you also acknowledge the fact that Europes history contradicts the view on Europe being 'civilized'.
And how does all that change the fact that Israel today in 2014 has to defend itself?
Obviously you have a problem with reading my text. Israel IS NEVER defending itself given the fact
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It's occupying Palestinian land - Therefor any attack made by any Arab country could be seen as a retaliation and therefor Israel will never be able to claim that it's defending itself. It's the Arabs who are defending themselves.
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Israel killed thousands of Palestinians - Therefor any attack made by any Arab country could be considered a retaliation and Israel can never be able to act 'victimized'. This is why I keep saying that history proves the fact that Israel is the aggressor and not the other way around. They Immigrated- They took over- They invited thousands of others non-Palestinian Jews over and created a Palestinian diaspora and they along with the Islamists and Qatar are ruining the lives for the Palestinians. Therefor any attack made by any Arab country is considered a retaliation and as a plan to liberate Palestine. And this is why I mentioned that the liberation of Palestine starts with the liberation of Saudi-Arabia and Qatar. Only Western 'Muslims' support barbaric Royal families while they pretend to oppose the regime of Iran. There's plenty of Western 'Muslims' that live in Dubai and probaly support Saudi dictatorship - It's better to deport them IMO.
Wrong. Most Israelis, if you disregard the 20 percent Arab Israelis, have the Jewish religion and the Hebrew language as its own. And Jews have, just like Muslims and Christians historical roots in that area. And again, they didn't ''steal'' anything, they were GRANTED a state by the UN on a TURKISH territory.
Hebrew is an Israelite language not a Jewish or an Israeli language. And how do you define 'historical ties'. Historical ties is useless IMO and does not mean anything. There are Japanese-, African-, European Jews- They DON'T belong in Palestine instead they belong in their own countries. A Swedish Christian does NOT belong in Bettlehem but rather in Sweden. Most European Jews didin't really speak Hebrew infact they spoke Yiddish(A language were European languages and Hebrew are mixed - Thought it has an extensive Germanic based vocabular).
You're making your own terms up; Historical ties does not mean anything. Religion is not taken seriously anymore today and is considered a joke - This is year 2014 for God sake and in about 8 days it will be year 2015. It's not about 'historical ties' but rather about genetical ties. European Jews shouldn't simply be given a homeland in Palestine for being Jews- That's just stupid.
Actually they stole everything and being granted a state by the UN does NOT mean anything.
You have absolutely no knowledge of Pakistan then. The name of Pakistan in urdu is ''Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan'' which means ''The Islamic republic of Pakistan''. Pakistan was build to be a MUSLIM homeland for INDIANS, which means that Muslims for all India could immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being ''Muslims''. For example, My maternal grandparents were Indians living in Delhi, but immigrated to Lahore in Pakistan when the partition happened and got Pakistani citizenship because they were ''Muslims'' and this is the story of millions of Muslim Indians who immigrated to Pakistan.
"You have no knowledge" OK dear but the name 'Pakistan' means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian. It's obviously in no way associated with Islam- The only reason why it's called 'The Islamic Republic of Pakistan' is because it became an Islamic republic in 1956(9 years after its independence ) as it adopted a new constitution(Islamism).
Yes ALL INDIANS could Immigrate to Pakistan because BOTH Pakistanis and Indians are the same. STILL European Muslims can't Immigrate to Pakistan for Pakistani citizenship and that's what you FAIL to understand.
Pakistanis = Indians that were Muslims. It's all the same.
Your grandparents are NATIVE to Pakistan so therefor they are given Pakistani citizenship. Pakistan still does not give citizenship to people who are say European Muslims for example.
I just compared Israel and Pakistan on how they were formed, so if you don't care about it then don't comment on it. And I just told you that the official name of Pakistan is Islami Jamhuriyat Pakistan, and that it was build as a muslim homeland for indian muslims, AND TODAY its punishable by death for leaving the religion of islam,so who told you that Pakistan is a country for all Pakistanis regardless of religion?
My point is that foreign MUSLIMS are not given special privileges in Pakistan and that anybody regardless of religion born in Pakistan are Pakistanis. I could care less about the failure of the Pakistani government. You should thank the Arab countries that they are helping Pakistans economy.
"In the aftermath of the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, Saudi Arabia donated over US$3.3 million, more than any other country, and promised an additional $573 million, also the maximum amount of money pledged. Saudi Arabia also provided 4000 pre-fabricated houses to Pakistan through the Saudi Public Assistance for Pakistan Earthquake Victims (SPAPEV). The houses, which were to be equipped with all required facilities, cost over $16.7 million. The SPAPEV also distributed 230,000 blankets, 150,000 quilts, 10,000 ordinary tents, 2,500 special winterized waterproof tents, 100,000 stoves, 100,000 food.
The Saudi government pledged $230 million to development in Afghanistan. It has also pledged $133 million in direct grant aid, $187 million in concessional loans, and $153 million in export credits for Pakistan earthquake relief.
In the aftermath of the 2010 Pakistan floods, Saudi Arabia has donated more than US $361.99 million for the relief operation, topping the list of all donating countries. Saudi royal family donated $20 million on the first day whereas Saudi citizens donated more than $107 million were collected in the first three days. Saudi Arabia started the largest air relief bridge in the history and also donated two hospital consisting of 100 beds."
Even Iran(with its garbage theocratic regime) is kind enough to provide Pakistan with tons of electricity.
Not from the view point of the Pakistanis today. But many Indians saw Pakistan as an islamic settlement in their country, as Pakistan was a part of INDIA prior to its foundation.
Irrelevant what many Indians saw Pakistan as.
A fact is a fact, whether you like it or not.
I just gave you ALLLLLLLLLL the looooooooooooooooooooooong liste of how Israel and Pakistan can be compared, and now you are asking me why I compare these two countries. Either you don't read what I am writing or you are slow in understanding.
I was born in Denmark to Pakistani parents.
No you didin't give me a 'LOOOOOOONG list' of how Israel and Pakistan can be compared. And not to offend you or anything but out of curiosity if you love your religious homelands so much why don't you Immigrate there? Why live in Denmark that is dominantly atheist were its residents make fun of any religion including religious homelands? Religious homelands letalone religion is laughed at in Scandinavia. Denmark is NOT a Christian country but rather a country for all Danish regardless of religion.
I just gave you reasons for why you can't compare Pakistan and Israel and therefor I asked you why you compare Pakistan to Israel after that
"Pakistan DOES not DECLARE itself as a 'Muslim' country and neither does Pakistan pay thousands of dollars to all Muslims worldwide so they can Immigrate to Pakistan and have their citizenship for being 'muslim'. Pakistan does not pay Muslims worldwide to Immigrate to Pakistan and live there and be granted Pakistani citizenship and Pakistan DOES not demolish Indian Hindu homes while it replaces them with Pakistani Muslim settlements. Foreign Muslims are not given 'special privileges' in Pakistan. And the Pakistanis ARE native to Pakistan- They were orginally Indian Muslims that were fighting against the Indian Hindus so the British empire divided them both. The Jews in Palestine on the otherhand were orginally European Immigrants that showed up in Palestine during WW2 as Hitler chased them off Europe. "
Therefor your analogy of Israel and Pakistan is really a FAILURE. I know life sucks but those ARE facts. Now accept it.
You have no understanding of global rules. You cannot create a state upon an already established sovereign NATIONAL state, which makes ISIS meaningless. This is also why the Zionist extremists who are dreaming of a ''great-Israel'' will be forever disappointed, as Israel cannot overtake other established sovereign national states like Jordan and Lebanon. The only reason they could be granted Palestine is because Palestine was NOT a state or country, it was a Turkish and then British territory.
Since you're a Zionist you should know that there is no such thing as 'Zionist extremists'. Zionism is Jewish nationalism- A form of extremism of Judaism although I believe that Zionism contradicts Judaism and therefor it cannot be called a 'Jewish'. Sovereign national state does not really mean anything given the fact that even ISIS can become a 'sovreign national state' because all it has to do is to follow the defination of Sovereign national state "a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states."
Israel is already occupying the Golan heights which orginally belongs to Syria and therefor it's occupying a sovereign state. And the fact that Palestine is not a 'sovereign state' does not give the Israelies the right to occupy Palestinian land.
Again you missed the point. Pakistan was BUILD as a homeland for INDIAN MUSLIMS. I hope you get the point now.
But non-Pakistanis/non-Indian Muslims are NOT given citizenship in Pakistan. Indian Muslims and any Pakistan are of the same root. An Indian Muslim IS native to Pakistan- A European Muslim is not. A Palestinian jew IS native to Palestine- A EUropean Jew is not. See my point?
Yes if you was an Indin Muslim when Pakistan was being formed, you could be granted Pakistan citizenship.
YES an INDIAN Muslim and it does not matter given the fact that Indian Muslims ARE native to Pakistan.
Because INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE Native to Pakistan therefor they can be given Pakistani citizenship. A Saudi Muslim on the otherhand CANNOT be given Pakistan citizenship. This IS the policies of your own country, and most of all understand the fact that there is no genetical difference between a Pakistani and an Indian regardless of religion.
I cannot ''give'' Pakistan a terrible future, and I cannot ''impose'' religious nationalism on Pakistan either. This can only be done by Pakistanis living inside Pakistan.
Good point.
But you said above that you dislike Arabs who are Wahhabis?
Wahabbis are not Arabs just like they are not Muslims. Wahabbism destroys the Arab world so please tell me how Wahabbis can be considered 'Arabs'? Would you consider Hitler a Jew too especially when he killed 6 million European(Some of them were Germans too) Jews?
I do consider Arabs equal but I think the word 'Arab' needs to be brought up again. The leaders of the Arab world are not really Arabs because they are destroying the Arab world. One could argue that they are anti-Arab. And most Arab leaders do not care about being 'Arabs' they just care about Islam. Arabism > Religion. Wahabbism is the opposite to the Arab world therefor it can not be considered Arab and only gives Arabs a bad name. Wahabbism has brought ZERO contribution to the Arab world infact it has only destroyed Saudi-Arabia which can therefor be considered a disease to the Arab world.
Very ''mature'' argument indeed
But the European leaders are terrorists and theifs that supports irhabi groups and 'friendly' dictators. This is a FACT. You even said as a Western apologist that "The Bahraini dictatorship is supported by the West while the Syrian dictatorship is supported by Russia." The fact that the West is supporting Bahraini dictatorship makes the West evil equally as much as the Assad regime/dictatorship and the Bahraini regime/dictatorship.
Just take a look at what your Islamic State is doing in Deir Ez Zour. It's banning technology, giving Deir Ez Zour a terrible future and destroying it for the children of Deir Ez Zour by recruiting children as fighters. Not to mention, anybody that protests in Deir Ez Zor will end up being massacred. In Iraq hundreds of Iraqi tribes who decided to stand up against Islamic State were brutally put down(Mostly through beheadings). In Syria, the Islamic State killed hundreds of Syrians in one day as many of them stood up to fight against the Islamic state.
Except the dictator Bashar, his government is very good right?
The Bashar regime is just as bad. And you have NO right to talk about dictator Bashar when you're supporting Israhell and when your Europe has a history of a carpet.
Wahbbism is a form of Sunni Islam.
Sunnism* Not Islam. Want a medal for figuring that out? I'm sure the majority Sunnis don't want anything to do with Wahabbism- Even they consider it a mistake and not a part of Islam. All the Sunnis I know condemn Wahabbism and have called the Wahabbists idiots.
Wahabbism is a right-wing intrepretation of Sunnism. It's an extreme version and all reasons to throw it away.
Some more European bashing
I'm refering to the governments of Europe and not only ones that exists today but even the ones that existed before such as Winston Churchill.
Its hard to turn Arab countries like Syria into a democracy when Russia supports its dictator with weapons.
Except that you are not turning Syria into a 'democracy' but rather to turn it into a Shariah ruled country. The fact is that your NATO is supporting Irhabi groups in Syria that are decaptating others in the name of God. Your NATO is trying to sugarcoat the Islamists with the word 'freedom fighter' and 'rebels'. Recently in Yarmouk there has been protests against the FSA and JabASSHAT Al-Nusra because they are known for being theifs and looters that looted entire Yarmouk. There is almost NO christmas being celebrated in any 'rebel'-held territories unlike the 'regime' territories were Christmas is being celebrated atm. Merry Christmas.
Syria became democratic long before your Pakistan, Israel and Denmark combined ever became 'democratic', especially long before Israel managed to claim that it was "democratic". Syria had a democratic government since the overthrow of Adib al-Shishakli's military regime in 1954. In 1954, after a series of military dictatorships that had lasted since 1949, Syria became a democracy, and in the elections held that year, Khalid Bakdash(He was the leader of the Syrian Communist party) won a seat in parliament for the Damascus area, becoming the first communist elected to an Arab parliament. The party adopted a moderate programme and opened its ranks to all those accepting it, rather than functioning as a restricted Leninist vanguard organisation. It built up a significant support base among the working class, Kurds and intellectuals. They emphasized the party's attachment to the anti-colonial struggle and sought to establish it as a democratic mass movement rather than the restricted Marxist-Leninist vanguard organisation which a close adherence to Leninist principles might have dictated.
Countries like Denmark on the has the history of a carpet.
In my earlier post I already pointed your conspiracy theories out, so stop playing dumb. Here are just some of your conspiracy theories
The Western nations don't want this- They want Shariah law in the Arab countries which is why they support Wahabbism(A radical primitive religious ideology
It's not suprising because just like most Western apologists you'll label this as a theory because it makes your Western nations look like terrorist nations and they are terrorist nations. Are YOU saying that the West is not supporting Islamist groups in Syria? What about the millions of dollars and anti-tank weapons that were given to the 'FSA' by the US that have now ended up in Islamist hands(Especially Al-Nusra)? What about groups like Al-Nusra(Who are already backfiring at the FSA for power) that are carrying American and western-European weapons? Or what about Qatar(That is not a Western nation but a good ally of the terrorist West) that has spent up to $3 billion of dollars(Mostly to arms) at the Syrian civil war?
Turkey a NATO country and soon to become a part of the EU
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsak_ApRgT8 - Turkish Army Convoy in Syria Passing Through ISIS Checkpoint Near Jarabulus
https//www.facebook.com/video.php?v=807343525970882 - Turkish soldiers appears to be chatting with ISIS terrorists across the Syrian-Turkish border.
"https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6e9iUnGBhc - "Foreign ISIL Militant Passports Have Turkish Govt Exit Stamp Kurdish Fighters in Koban?"
Sky News reporter at the Syrian-Turkish border, Stuart Ramsay, obtained from Kurdish fighters in the Syrian city of Koban? (aka Ayn al-Arab) some passports belonging to foreign militants from the Islamic State (IS, aka ISIL or ISIS). All those passports had the official exit stamp from the Turkish border control, indicating that these ISIL militants entered Syria with the full knowledge of the Turkish authorities and their facilitation."
The European nations are taking ZERO responsibility in arresting these jihadists that travel. Infact the Europeans want them to leave making the Europeans as responsible as the Islamic State and therefor the Europeans are supporting terrorism.
Sadly today the Gulf-countries are trying to attack Iran by creating sectarian wars with their oil-money. It's sad that oil-money is given to a bunch of barbarians (The Royal family). The Royal family has contributed ZERO to the Arab world and is only destroying the Arab world by trying to attack Iran, allowing the Europeans to walk into the Arab world, funding terrorism in the Arab countries, sending resources to the South-Asian countries and not the other Arab countries and so on. The Arab countries could easily annihilate Israel.
So true- The fact is that if the Saudi/Qatari regime has spent billions of dollars in fighting the communist government in Afghanistan and the billions of dollars being sent to Irhabi groups then expect the fact that the Saudi regime is willing to spend billions of dollars on attacking Iran.
"The Financial Times reported that Qatar had funded the Syrian rebellion by "as much as $3 billion" over the first two years of the civil war.
The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimated that Qatar had sent the most weapons to Syria, with over 70 weapons cargo flights into Turkey between April 2012 and March 2013."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Qatar
Even the ex-leader of the Syrian National Coalition leader(i.e Moaz Al-Khatib) said(Before he resigned) "Despite all of this, I tell you what I have already stated in the media regarding a milicious plan to drag the entire Islamic world to a Sunni-Shia battle whose spark starst in Syria, then moves to Lebanon, followed by the countries of the entire region, including Iran & Turkey in order to destroy them and to use the funds of the Gulf to support the war and to buy weapons for a mad war without any victor."
Sorce https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEajM1VdPNM
Yes the Europeans are allowed to walk into the Arab world and they are indeed funding terrorism.
Europeans want more special privileges from the dumb corrupt terrorist oppressive Saudi leader lol
http//i.imgur.com/y0JmTtZ.jpg
http//i.imgur.com/gloXKm8.jpg
But Wahabbis are not Muslims anyway. Wahabbism = Nazism.
Seriously? That's not a Western-theory. Anybody could have figured this out. So you're saying that Wahabbis are Muslims? Please tell me how Wahabbis are Muslims when they give Islam a bad name? They're obviously the opposite. I bet you'll claim that the Islamic State is also 'muslim' too.
Wahabbism IS Nazism.
Iran is indeed a poor victim being attacked by sectarian wars. The European warmongerers/apologists and the barbaric Royal family seems to have a fetish in destroying Iran- But keep dreaming that will never happen. I'm all for democratic reforms in Iran I just hope that the Iranians know that the Europeans and the Wahabbis wants to hjiack their uprising because they want Iran to fall back to square one again.
Not a theory. Iran is indeed facing a sectarian war from both NATO and Saudi-Arabia/Qatar/You name it. The Europeans and the Wahabbis wants Iran to become like Syria; To see it breaking up and having its land being destroyed. They'd like to turn it into another Yugoslavia.
So in short, you are a great conspiracy theorist maker with your vivid fantasy and difficulties in separating your emotions from facts.
And how you are stereotyping and overgeneralizing? Here are some of your quotes which are highly stereotyping other humans and overgeneralizing
I get that you're offended by the fact that Europe is considered a brothel. That's not my OWN fault- I was simply stating facts. Europe is indeed considered a brothel for the Saudis- Even some European women travel to the UAE for some special privileges by some rich Khaaleji Arabs.
The European 'Muslims'(Notice I always use apostrophes because they are not Muslims) are the morons on this Earth. However the question is whether they really are Europeans. Most of them are actually South-Asians like Anjem Choudry that moron that supports the Islamic State while he lives in Britain like a coward. Deport him back to his homeland IMO.
Today the Kurds are exposing NATO for what it is; a European terrorist organisation.
HOW is this stereotyping? NATO IS whether you like it or not a European terrorist organisation just like Hitler was a European terrorist.
You seem to be offended by the fact that the European leaders are called terrorists well good they are terrorists. Deal with it.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6e9iUnGBhc - "Sky News reporter at the Syrian-Turkish border, Stuart Ramsay, obtained from Kurdish fighters in the Syrian city of Koban? (aka Ayn al-Arab) some passports belonging to foreign militants from the Islamic State (IS, aka ISIL or ISIS). All those passports had the official exit stamp from the Turkish border control, indicating that these ISIL militants entered Syria with the full knowledge of the Turkish authorities and their facilitation."
Yes between 5,5 and 8 million (depending on the definition)Jews are in the US compared to 6,6-7 million Jews in Israel. AND how many Jews in the US have lived earlier in Israel or are planning to move to Israel? And how many Israeli citizens live in the USA? Many questions have to be taken into consideration before you can say that there are more Jews in the USA then Israel, and the most importance question of all is to define who is Jewish. Is it the classical definition of someone whose mother is Jewish?
6,6 million was NOT an accurate number given the fact that I only counted Muslims, Druze and Christians.
And actually according to Wiki
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews
There are 6,1 million Israeli Jews living in Israel. In the US there are 5,4million to 8,3 million.
And where do you get the conclusion that it's 6,6-7 million?
Regarding your "Classic Definition of someone whose mother is Jewish" According to http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews - Converts to Judaism typically have a status within the Jewish ethnos equal to those born into it. And also according to that link there are more Jews in the US than in Israhell.
You cannot give Jews or anybody a national homeland on already established national sovereign states like those in Europe. Secondly, the Jews already have Israel so why should they be given another homeland in Europe?
Using "National Sovreign" as an argument to justify Israels existance in Palestine letalone its occupation of Palestine is fail. The reason why the Jews should be given a homeland in Europe because the founding fathers were orginally Europeans(They carried European citizenship). Europeans have hurted the EUROPEAN Jews a lot more than the Arab world has ever done. Therefor if the European Jews were oppressed anywhere it was in Europe were they should have been given the right to establish a homeland. If the EUROPEAN Jews want a religious homeland establish it in Europe. And if Israel can occupy the Golan Heights(From a sovereign country) then Israel might as well take over a European country instead.
Your Pakistani-Israel analogy would have worked if the European Jews were to establish a homeland in EUROPE and not in Palestine. The European Jews have a lot more rights to establish a religious homeland in Europe than in Palestine for the following reasons
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The founding fathers of Israel were European Jews. Therefor European Jews establishing a homeland in Europe can be acceptable but that is only if the other Europeans agree to it.
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The European world has harmed the European Jews more than the 'MOOOOOOOOOZLEM terrorists' ever could. Therefor by the fact that the EUROPEAN Jews were oppressed by their European brethren - It's only fair that they should be allowed to build a homeland in Europe for themselves to defend themselves against the other Europeans.
Yes as a territorial name for people who live in that territory. However, Israeli describes a person who is a citizen of the national state of Israel.
The term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the British Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship".
I can assure you using words such as 'national' or 'sovereign' does not make Israel somehow considered a 'real' country. So keep trying.
You have absolutely no understanding of what a national state is. If Palestinians perceive the existence of Israel to be harmful for them, then that is their problem not Israels problem. Just like it is not Pakistans problem if India perceive Pakistans existence to be harmful to India. You don't just abolish sovereign states by the opinions of haters.
The fact is that nobody has the right to be forced as Immigration to another country and later on take over the country. The only argument you can present is the fact that Israel is a 'sovreign state' - This is a way for you to defend Israels exstance and occupation of Palestine arguing that Palestine is not independant therefor Israel has the right to steal more land. The founding fathers of Israel were European Immigrants who are in no way connected to Palestine - They infact held about 4 citizenship two of them were from the Soviet Union and the UK.
You DO abolish a sovreign state if it's in no way connected to the land and if it's still oppressing the natives. No one has the right to force a Jewish European Immigration into Palestine and then act now as if the EUROPEAN Jews own 50% of Palestine. The land belongs to the Palestinians. Imagine if some retarded colonizers who colonized Sweden decided to force a Christian Danish Immigration to Sweden. Now after a descent population of the Christian Danish in Sweden.. The UN or whatever tries to impose a resolution allowing Danish to controll their territory and Swedes controll theirs to prevent war/nationalism.. Now Sweden refuses due to the fact that they owned all of the land from the very beginning. That's exactly what happened in Palestine, hence the rise of Palestinian nationalism. People need to call these Israelies 'European Jews'.. Because that's what they are. Seriously.. They're European Jews who have a fetish for the Israelites. It was good that there was no UN during the time Swedes retook Sk?ne and kicked out the Danish.. Because maybe today the Danish would end up controlling Sweden(Were they would turn it into a Christian Danish homeland giving all the Christians the right to 'return' and have their Danish citizenship for being Christians lol) and Sweden would end up like the Gaza strip.
And how you are stereotyping and overgeneralizing? Here are some of your quotes which are highly stereotyping other humans and overgeneralizing
You have no right to talk about 'stereotyping and overgeneralizing' given the fact that you claimed that Palestinians were a bunch criminals/rapists or whatever in Scandinavia. Later on you use a muslimphobic source..
http//themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/norway-90-of-all-violent-rapes-in-oslo-committed-by-muslims/
I watched the video it says "This girl was raped by a man of Pakistani heritage" - That's what the video says. Where do you see the word 'Palestinian'? Nowhere.
Instead you probaly think that all Muslims are Arabs and NOT all Muslims commit rape. Those 'Muslims' who rape, beat their wives or children should NOT be considered Muslims and must be removed from Islam ASAP. Rape, wifebeating or childrenbeating must be condemned and has absolutely NO place in Islam.
Everybody who complains about Immigration here in Sweden are European loosers(Many of them are not even native to Sweden but were only born here which is really embarassing) who are living on social welfare and that do not contribute anything to the Swedish society. Unlike these useless rasicts that never worked- The Immigrants in Sweden contribute things to Sweden strongly - This is why Sweden began hiring Yugoslavian workers in the 90s because many of its citizens were lazy tools and it costed a lot more to higher them.
All the Muslims I know(The majority of them are Sunnis) condemn rape, wife beating and children beating.
Your logic = These Jews belong in Palestine because they have 'historical' ties
http//s14.postimg.org/tbh94qwg1/B5_MBRo_DCEAELy_Yg.jpg
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Europe_zps6323b35d.jpg
"The above photo is of a European Jew, and member of the Zionist army. The so-called "Jewish" DNA is in her blood, and hence she is a descendant of Sam, son of Noah (her blonde hair are a testament to this!"
The link to the last picture and text were taken from Pazzazu's post.
They have 'historical' ties(Whatever that means) to Palestine. As mentioned before, historical ties does not really mean anything. It's GENETICAL ties that matters. Genetical ties > Historical ties.
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You made absolutely no constructive or concrete argument in the above, dear Huruf. The above only shows contempt for facts, a highly subjective emotional possessive bonding with all Palestinians, and threat of hell to everyone who doesn't hate Israel and love Palestinians.
I expected more objectivity from you, Huruf.
Honestly, you haven't made an 'constructive or concrete arguments' yourself. Nobody has threatned anyone with 'hell'. It's you trying to justify the crimes of Israel while calling people 'anti-semites' for simply criticising Israel- I bet whenever NATO kills a civilian you justify it by calling the European countries a 'democratic' therefor they have the right to what they do. And then you accuse people of being 'Anti-European' for simply criticising NATO.
As soon as somebody criticies Israel they are anti-semites. Meanwhile the same people who call you anti-semites are huge supporters of European right-wing political parties that have had good relations with Hitler and Nazis during WW2.
European right-wingers = Irhabieen.
NATO has one of the biggest armies in the universe
16 UFO's equipped with laser cannons (armor 5, damage 6, mana cost per shot 10)
15.000 Light infantry
half of a plasma rocket
1251 super tanks with special ability to look like an old woman (armour 9, damage 11)
National army from ?iauliai led by Saulns.
12 European strippers called "Vakaro ziniu mergaites" ("Evening News Girls" or just "VZ girls"
lotsa vicious old ladies, bumbling about youth and everyone else. can be indentified because they look like barrels (small and round), with knitted berets (that's why they are called "Knitted Berets" and with old (older than me, you and even your dog) bangs, made of young people's skin. (armor 22, damage 50, speed -1, Validol cost per shot 1kg).
1 Lituanica Stealth Bomber forces (used during the Star Wars and ?algiris Battle) piloted by Jurgis Kairys. Europe has its own artificial intelligence, claims itself to be a bird, and untertakes long distance annual migrations to the South.Syria and Iraq will always be countries for their own countries. Tell that to your European terrorist friends as they keep supporting Islamist groups in Syria. Syria and Iraq will NOT be Muslim countries but rather Arab countries. I know that Europeans oppose Arab nationalism because Arab nationalism would chase them out of the Arab countries. And neither would any billions of dollars be spent on Europe anymore. Let the West rot IMO. The fund should go to education, health and science in the Arab world.
Yes, Israel is indeed surrounded by jew-hating countries, and the conflict has mostly developed into a religious one. This is why most Muslims support Palestinians and pray for the death of the Jews, and this is why most Jews support Israel. Before world war 1 there was not any harmony in that area, as the Turks were busy killing Armenians and raping non-muslims. Why do you think all hadith books insult Jews?
What you fail to mention is the fact that ARAB Muslims gave shelter to Armenian especially the Christians as they fled Ottoman. The Arabs and the Armenians both cooperated regardless of religion against the Turkish oppressors. Some of my friends are ethnically Armenians carrying Syrian citizenship as their ancestry fled to Syria from Ottoman persecution. Many Armenians fled to Syria and today there are churches that have been built for them but many of these churches have been captured by the 'rebels'/Islamists and have been turned into Islamist strongholds which will change very soon. Your Islamist friends are burning the Armenian history in Syria.
Turks were not killing Armenians in the name of Islam but rather in the name of Turkish nationalism. The Turks wanted to expand and began to massacre Armenians while stealing their land as they wanted Ottoman to become bigger. They even took over the Arab countries.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Syria - "The Armenians in Syria are Syrian citizens of either full or partial Armenian descent. Syria and the surrounding areas have often served as a refuge for Armenians who fled from wars and persecutions such as the Armenian Genocide. According to the Ministry of Diaspora of the Republic of Armenia, the estimated number of Armenians in Syria is 100,000, with more than 60,000 of them are centralized in Aleppo."
"Although the Armenians have had a long history in Syria, most arrived there during the Armenian Genocide committed by the Ottoman Empire. The main killing fields of Armenians were located in the Syrian desert of Deir ez-Zor (Euphrates Valley). More than a million Armenians were killed and hundreds of thousands fled historic Armenia. The native Arabs didn't hesitate to shelter and support persecuted Armenians. Arabs and Armenians have traditionally had good relations after Arabs sheltered the Armenians during the Armenian Genocide. There was also a minor Arab genocide in Anatolia at the same time."
Most Muslims support Palestinians and pray for the death of the Jews
Generalisation and such a terrible assumption. Most Muslims do NOT pray for the death of the Jews infact all the Muslims I know here do NOT hate the Jews but they oppose Zionism. Nobody takes the Muslims who say 'Death to the juice' seriously. Jews might be hated in South-Asia but that is South-Asia not an Arab region. The anti-semites I know here are actually non-Muslims and supporters of right-wing political parties in Europe but of course because they are not 'Muslims' you won't see them. Face it - European right-wingers just want to blame the Muslims for everything. They could care less about the Jews- Afterall their entire stupid region has harmed the European Jews more than the people they are blaming. I know this Swedish/Danish/British tool that says 'Sieg heil' and other European stuff and he is NOT a Muslim(Infact he supports the Swedish Democrats and judges the 'Muslim' countries too much). But of course- You'll never mention people like these because they are not Muslims.
This is what your 'freedom fighting' morons did to Maloula and its church
http//i.imgur.com/f4M6F5F.jpg
http//i.imgur.com/QxUG2ir.jpg
http//i.imgur.com/jjIKM4r.jpg
http//i.imgur.com/jjIKM4r.jpg
http//i.imgur.com/8cBIBDB.jpgThis was not done by the Islamic State BTW but rather by another shitty Islamist group called Jabhat Al-Nusra or as I'd like to call them JabbaASShat Al-Nusra - And this was when the FSA and JabbaASShat Al-Nusra were still allies. They didin't only remove the faces of Jesus and Mother Mary- But they even stole the Church's bell that is precious to Syria as Syria has the oldest church. The Islamist groups also burned things they couldn't loot.
STOP supporting religious groups in Syria. It's obvious that you want to turn Syria into a 'Muslim' country. It's already enough that the Armenian churches have been turned into Islamic State mosques and valuable things in Maloula has been burned by Islamist groups.
This was Maloula 4 years ago
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yza5X05n9xc
Christmas being celebrated in Maloula right now
http//s13.postimg.org/j37c4231j/B5oz_Wd_PCQAIm7ug.jpg
Over 600 days ago Bishops Yazigi & Ibrahim were taken by rebels, the world had been silent but we haven't forgotten. #BRINGBACKSYRIASCITIZENS
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When the rebels can't loot they resort to burning
http//s18.postimg.org/kz41hez4p/B5_PG12z_CEAAV2g6.jpg
The church has been set on fire from the inside.
Iraqi refugees celebrating Christmas in a camp in Erbil.
http//s1.postimg.org/f67eqi0qn/B5_A2_Cz_RIUAAw_Ba_R.jpg
Merry Christmas to them and to all our other Christian Arab friends. I swear I hope that one day the Arab world annilihates the Islamists and its supporters.
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You made absolutely no constructive or concrete argument in the above, dear Huruf. The above only shows contempt for facts, a highly subjective emotional possessive bonding with all Palestinians, and threat of hell to everyone who doesn't hate Israel and love Palestinians.
I expected more objectivity from you, Huruf.
Peace
Don't bother to tell me what I am and what happens to me, I know your set of mind, and I am very sorry for you. I suppose one does nto choose to be rotten, but rather rottenness seems to choose the people.
You see to think that to feel anything not cotemptuous for Palestinians is a fault. It is clear you have made them into unhuman and you project your lack of humanity towards them in seeing others full of all those things, zionnist idiocy likes to project onn to others. Too bad for you.
And yes, I love Palestinians and I love all the people that stand up against injustice jsut like I love all those Jews, great peoole who also stand against injustice even when their purported lovers deny their existence, Long live antizionnists jews and let haters of Palestinians know their hate in themselves.
Long live justice and the struggle against injustice and defamation of honest people. Long live the friendship between the lovers of justice particularly between jewish lover of justice and Palestinian lovers of justice of all faiths and ethnicity and let their haters enjoy themselves in their faboulously great hate.
I really find laughable the great effort you make to disguise the rotten oropaganda you dish as anything but absolute garbage.
Salaam to all those who struggle for truth and justice.
