Isis-Meri / Maryam?
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Maybe true Hizbollah with one correction, Krishna's mother was not a "Holy Virgin", no trace of virgin birth in story of Krishna at all. According to the myth, Krishna's mother had 7 children before birth of Krishna.
EDIT Here is the story of Krishna https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5cfEU_DtTA
Thank you for the links
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Thank you for the links )
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I would have thought the 7th child was more miraculous as it had teleported to another woman. Krishna seems to have had a normal birth. The parting of the sea carrying Moses is fascinating though.... Seems like parting of the sea got taken too far in the bible, ultimately causing people to translate the story in the Quran about Moses walking across the river/sea as the sea being "parted" I.e split in 2.
Also Sonny, I also am aware about the pagan traditions for Easter, Christmas (Christ - Mass) etc. Only reason I asked about the Isis meri stuff was because I had seen from an article by Dr Murdock that isis-meri was given to Horus' mum and meri is similar to Mary... I don't see how Meri was assigned be Mary and meri wasn't a name either. Either way, maryam was a popular name back in the day....
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You know, when Angel came to Mariam she said "How can I have a baby when no man has touched me?" - Later when she gave a birth to Issa she obviously had no husband, she was accused for adultery by her people. Did she had a man in secret at the time, I dont know, since Quran says nothing about it I doubt.
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Please think about red highlighted portion. Does Quran says this.
Yes she said no man has touched her but it does not mean she did not have a man later.
How do you know she was accused of adultery while Quran does not say that.
God states a law for birth of babies, as per 6101 even God is saying how can be a child for him when he has no female companionSahih International
Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.Peace
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.... Seems like parting of the sea got taken too far in the bible, ultimately causing people to translate the story in the Quran about Moses walking across the river/sea as the sea being "parted" I.e split in 2.
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2663 - Then We inspired to Moses, "Strike with your staff the sea," and break open, and each break away part was like a great towering mountain.
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I would have thought the 7th child was more miraculous as it had teleported to another woman. Krishna seems to have had a normal birth. The parting of the sea carrying Moses is fascinating though.... Seems like parting of the sea got taken too far in the bible, ultimately causing people to translate the story in the Quran about Moses walking across the river/sea as the sea being "parted" I.e split in 2.
I dont understand why are you trying to connect Bible and Krishna when it is obvious they are 2. different stories. What kind of "parting of the water" in story of Krishna you are talking about?
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So I was investigating some resemblances between isa in the Qur'an being the messiah where Maryam is isa's mother and horus and his mother isis-meri.
What concerns me, is apparently isis-meri is Mother Mary of Horus who has been continuously depicted as the Egyptian son of God. Apparently the Jesus depicted in the bible was based on this character...
Now I don't really care about the bible as I don't believe it to be the gospel. I also don't believe isa was born from virgin birth but the only thing that bugs me is the striking resemblance in isa's mother's name...
Anyone got any information where I can research about this?
I strongly believe the Qur'an is not basing its knowledge on past stories from ancient times. Could it just be a coincidence? Mary was a common name....
Just would like some opinions.
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Isis is a term referring to something mentioned in the Qur'an. In the Egyptian language, Isis means "throne" and refers to the "dominion" and "authority" and "power" of Allah (or in the case of the Egyptian language, Amun, which means Unseen who was described as being without form and pure).
Ancient people over time would sometimes symbolically personify concepts in order to show qualities of the thing being referred to in action or describe aspects of the concept being referred to. So for example, Shu which means air, was depicted as blue like the sky. Amun was depicted as Blue in reference to Shu to say that "Amun pervades everywhere like the air/wind". The majority of people were illiterate in the world in ancient times, and so symbolism was often popular, though in later generations it could also greatly mislead people or make them think false things, particularly in relation to Allah.
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If you are interested in comparative religious studies and mythology, please email me at [email protected]
Isis is a term referring to something mentioned in the Qur'an. In the Egyptian language, Isis means "throne" and refers to the "dominion" and "authority" and "power" of Allah (or in the case of the Egyptian language, Amun, which means Unseen who was described as being without form and pure).
Ancient people over time would sometimes symbolically personify concepts in order to show qualities of the thing being referred to in action or describe aspects of the concept being referred to. So for example, Shu which means air, was depicted as blue like the sky. Amun was depicted as Blue in reference to Shu to say that "Amun pervades everywhere like the air/wind". The majority of people were illiterate in the world in ancient times, and so symbolism was often popular, though in later generations it could also greatly mislead people or make them think false things, particularly in relation to Allah.
I think that originally religions like the anciente Egyptin one were not politheists but sort of made allegories of the name of God as we have in Qur'aan. The crucial point is understanding that everything is a manifestion of divinity, but not different deities. When people push the deification of aspects of manifestation as something by themselves is when the shirk starts. As long as sight is not lost of the Unity of God, there is nothing wrong. But even with the avowed concept of ONLY one God, people can fall in shirk, for instance, by fearing other people or other things more than God Himself, when they see powers separate from God, or Loves separate from God.
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I think that originally religions like the anciente Egyptin one were not politheists but sort of made allegories of the name of God as we have in Qur'aan. The crucial point is understanding that everything is a manifestion of divinity, but not different deities. When people push the deification of aspects of manifestation as something by themselves is when the shirk starts. As long as sight is not lost of the Unity of God, there is nothing wrong. But even with the avowed concept of ONLY one God, people can fall in shirk, for instance, by fearing other people or other things more than God Himself, when they see powers separate from God, or Loves separate from God.
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Correct! Yes, I agree, the Egyptians seem to have been talking about Allah generally, and there were very likely to be those among them who understood correctly, while others may have in ignorance been like polytheists around the world, while there is enough evidence from Egypt to show that they had some very Islamic concepts at times, and that the mistake would largely be to misunderstand their stories or to take the symbolic images they made later in history in a literal way, but that is the problem with symbolic imagery is that later generations can misunderstand it and be led astray by it or might think of it literally or even imagine those things when they shouldn't be imagining false things or directing there worship to "information" which are all creations of Allah but to Allah (Amun) who is like nothing, not made of information, maker of all information. Even if the Egyptians were polytheists, the words like Amun (Unseen) are still usable epithets of Allah.
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The narration of how Isis (compassion I would say) gathered patiently one by one the pieces of the body of Osiris thrown in all places of the country is very moving and of course gives an insight of the divine compassion for all the creation and the divine patience to arrive strw by straw to complete each creature's destiny, even the most desperate. Beautiful and inspiring.
Another "mythology" which is really moonotheis that I know of is that of the anciente Mexicans, who looked on what hs been called gods by anthorpologists as manifestations of the divine for the humans, an said that evrything created is made out of the divine rahma, and from there went on to the human dignity expressed as the sense of thankfulness and devotion to that rahma of the divinity of which they are made. The also used all the
ooictorical atrributes of the different "gods", which by the way could go from being one to being another, as thosedivine names that are in transition from one attribute to another. Every pictorical element of them was like a book where all the religious knowledge would be summed up for the people who were illiterate and also for the literate ones of course, but it was a like a course in religious learning.Unfortunately every religious knowledge int he world has been automatically assimilated to grecoroman paganism, which in the origines I do not know, but which came to us now really like "mythology".
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Salam all,
Absolutely correct. The Greco-Romans even search up to India.
Christ and Krishna's mothers were holy virgins
Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.
Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.
Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Christ is often depicted as a shepherd; Krishna was a cowherd
His adoptive human father was a carpenter.
A spirit or ghost was their actual father.
Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.
Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.
Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.
Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.
Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."
Christ was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."
Both claimed "I am the Resurrection."
Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.
Both were "without sin."
Both were god-men being considered both human and divine.
They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."
Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.
Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.
Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.
Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.
Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people witnessed their ascensions into heaven.In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Christ's crucifixion on a cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree"
Acts 530 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus...hanging him on a tree.
Acts 1039 "...hanging him on a tree."
Acts 1329 "...they took him down from the tree..."
Galatians 313 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."
1 Peter 224 "...who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree..." (All ASV)Krishna was said to have been killed by an hunter's arrow and was literally hung onto a tree but there is an alternative story also, if you go by that then also it is proved that christ is krishna/christna/kristos . The story of crucifixation just made it look awesome that some guy died for "our" sins by getting crucified onto a cross. People always like others to die for their own sins..
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These are not really accurate statements, they are not historical or accurate to the study of mythology, they largely stem from an author called Acharya S who was the source of these ideas being promoted in the Zeitgeist movies too.
Lots of it has been debunked by actual historians and people who are really well informed about these things. It isn't hard to inform oneself as well with actual study into these things rather than those who want to mix words and etymologies.
Christ means anointed from the term Massih or Messiah, and Krishna means "black" or "dark" and they come from entirely different language families and really the two characters have nothing to do with each other besides both being spokespersons and prophets of God in a sense in their depictions and both were then taken to be God by people later.
You might want to look up videos by historians debunking the Zeitgeist stuff and Acharya S.