Hot/"ramadan" Answer

ayman

Peace Farida,

I know the game A-team are playing as I am a lawyer in the west so I know how the system of exhaustion works....

Judging from your long but useless post that fails to bring any evidence, you must be a really lousy lawyer. Please show any real evidence that your Ramadan is based on the great reading and is not 100% arbitrary. If Ramadan was your client, he would have fried by now elektro )

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Guest,

As a side note, we want Ayman to talk/write as much as possible. Because every time he write he contradicts a fact or his previous writing. Even a child will detect his shortcomings. And we find people (mature?) following him. How sad is that? Ayman, please don't stop writing, we look forward to your contradictory statements. It makes my day. Thank you.

Listen Guest, you have already demonstrated that you ignore even the basics (for example that the solar year is the interval between solstices) so instead of parading your ignorance on the forum and focusing on me, please answer this ONE question

Free-Minds Translation
2189. They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say ?They are a timing mechanism for the people as well as for the Pilgrimage.? And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whomever is righteous and come to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.

Please tell everyone how your traditional arbitrary calendar uses the crescent moons to time the "hajj".

Peace,

Ayman

guest

Peace Ayman,

Quote from Ayman, Aug 2009 "....the first full-moon after the summer solstice will always occur within 1-29 days after the summer solstice."

Quote from Ayman, Nov 20, 2004, 35830 PM "The full-moon of scorching heat would be 0-30 days after that."

First you say 0-30 days, now you say 1-29 days. Do you even realize that this is a contradiction. You have so many of them that you lost count of it. Any speech that comes out of your mouth is a contradiction. You are so good at it. Therefore, I am awarding the Ph.D degree to you for generating the most contradictions in a small article. You are the only winner of such certificate.

Quote from Ayman "Thanks once again for helping further discredit the traditional timing and for proving that the timing based on the great reading is best."

Perhaps you didn't get the message, I was discrediting Ayman solstice timining system. One interval has about 354 days and other interval has about 383 days. Then you tried to discount the 13th moon to maintain sanity.

There is no traditional timing but there is such thing as Ayman's timing system where you haphazardly integrated two of God's system in violation of Quranic verses which say that the sun and the moon not to catch each other. You are trying catch them and bring them together. In doing so, you have produced an inconsistent timing system. You are the master compromiser, like the one who tried to bring the idolatry and monotheistic religion together or the one who follows two different sources. People like you tried to divert Prophet Muhammad but failed

1773 - They almost diverted you from the revelations we have given you. They wanted you to fabricate something else, in order to consider you a friend.

1774 - If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them just a little bit.

Our timing system is based on Quranic verse 105 - "He is the One who rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its phases that you may learn to count the years and to calculate. GOD did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He explains the revelations for people who know." We use moon because it has phases to count number of years unlike the sun. Therefore, Our system is consistent with God's commandment.

Quote from Ayman "It will thus always be in the same season and will never haphazardly move within the year."

Oh, now you are calling the God a haphazard designer of lunar system. How low can you get.

Quote from Ayman "The interval between summer solstices by definition is the number of days between solstices. So your calculation is irrelevant."

There is nothing wrong with the summer solstice as we know it, but your sun/moon solstice is totally screwed-up.

Quote from Ayman "What fraction? Where did I use a fraction? You are a liar because I never used a fraction and I always count exactly 12 full-moons every single year."

The fraction associated with the solar cycle 365.2xxx; you are ignoring it.

Quote from Ayman "Where did I say anything about an 8 year cycle or any number of years cycle? You are lying and building a strawman because you are clearly desperate."

This the system you produced. You don't even know your own silly creation. Your system begets 8 years cycle.

Quote from Ayman "Your false question simply demonstrates your ignorance of the indisputable fact that by definition the solar cycle is the interval between solstices."

This definition does not apply to Ayman solstice. You have a screwed-up timing system

Supernaut

2185 Shahr ramadan, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month...

Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/19_SH.htm

Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/17_RA.htm

I don't get why some people so DESPERATELY want to believe in the "Islamic calendar". It's the dumbest calendar ever because it serves absolutely no practical purpose. The seasons occur in different months of the "Islamic calendar" over just a few years. Also, it's next to impossible to know the precise date when a month of the "Islamic calendar" starts. Wouldn't an infinitely wise god would give us better ways of determining times of year? Understanding shahr ramadan as the Flower Moon is much, much more sensible because the Flower Moon is obvious, it's occurrence is independent of the decisions that were taken by previous generations and there's no evidence that the "Islamic calendar" was instituted by the god. Only those who secretly think the god is stupid can believe that the god instituted the "Islamic calendar" and therefore those who believe It did will probably go to Hell.

farida

Peace Farida,

Judging from your long but useless post that fails to bring any evidence, you must be a really lousy lawyer. Please show any real evidence that your Ramadan is based on the great reading and is not 100% arbitrary. If Ramadan was your client, he would have fried by now elektro )

Peace,

Ayman

Peace Ayman,

Thank you, "the Judge",, as always but at least your post is short and precise. As for me being a lousy lawyer. yes

peace
3510 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.

quickduck

Peace Guest

Our timing system is based on Quranic verse 105 - "He is the One who rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its phases that you may learn to count the years and to calculate. GOD did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He explains the revelations for people who know." We use moon because it has phases to count number of years unlike the sun. Therefore, Our system is consistent with God's commandment.

Once again you are trying to use a twisted Translation to prove your (false claims).
Rachad khalifa's translation is not authorized by god.

Please read the arabic version wa-qaddara-hu-manazila = and-measured/designed-IT-(into) phases. Notice that the "hu" refers to the moon itself.
you will accuse me of adding the ''into'' in my translation, but as everyone knows, in that case (and many others) the "into" is usesless in arabic .
Ex wa-qaddara-hu-manazila is the same as wa-qaddara-hu-ila(into)-manazilin. But because the first form is untranslatable, we use the "into".

The reverse translation of "your and RK's 105", should be wa-qaddara-manazila-hu. (and-measured/designed-its-phases.) Notice that unlike the original arabic, the "hu" here refers to the phases of the moon, not the moon itself.
And that's clear corruption of the quran (unless the one in everyone's hands is false, and you, lucky you, have the only genuine version).

So once you understand this, i'll go back to my favorite example the knife AND the fork with 4 spears, to cut AND pick the meat. muscle

Salam,

P.S wave your hand and say "hello" to every arabic speaking person who are right now laughing at you.

Rami

So it all boils down to this...

Is the year a period of 12 lunar cycles or a run through the seasons?

Is Ramadan moving through the seasons or is the seasons moving through Ramadan?

And why is Ramadan that particular lunar cycle? What is the definition of that particular cycle?

Peace.

Meteora

Don't be rude or I will elektro

Right before I voodoo

2185 Shahr ramadan, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month...

Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/19_SH.htm

Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/17_RA.htm

I don't get why some people so DESPERATELY want to believe in the "Islamic calendar". It's the dumbest calendar ever because it serves absolutely no practical purpose. The seasons occur in different months of the "Islamic calendar" over just a few years. Also, it's next to impossible to know the precise date when a month of the "Islamic calendar" starts. Wouldn't an infinitely wise god would give us better ways of determining times of year? Understanding shahr ramadan as the Flower Moon is much, much more sensible because the Flower Moon is obvious, it's occurrence is independent of the decisions that were taken by previous generations and there's no evidence that the "Islamic calendar" was instituted by the god. Only those who secretly think the god is stupid can believe that the god instituted the "Islamic calendar" and therefore those who believe It did will probably go to Hell.

Agree with this except for the last statement. What the hell says people who believe in the traditional ramadan will go to hell?

Supernaut

Meteora,

The traditional understanding of ramadan is dumb and to attribute something dumb to the god is to imply that the god is dumb, which is irrational and untrue. It is the god's law that people who don't rid their minds of irrationality and falsehood will end up in Hell.

MUNZIR_ALI

Right before I voodoo

jedi I will do it before you do!

farida

2185 Shahr ramadan, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month...

Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/19_SH.htm

Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.

Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/17_RA.htm

I don't get why some people so DESPERATELY want to believe in the "Islamic calendar".

Peace Supernaut,

You are talking of the calendar adopted by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab as he in his wisdom felt it necessary to have a calendar so as to fix the dates.

For the Quranic approach understand reference A & B below

A-936. The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record......

Now if you seriously want to seek the truth then go back to Rex?s post on page 80? Reply #1185 on August 25, 2009, 055646 AM ?
In response to point 4 quickduck Now pay attention to a very important question raised by Rex Why forbidden to kill an animal on June 22 in one year and OK to kill same animal until July 20 in a different year?

He again raised that question to Ayman here page 81 ? Reply #1202 on August 26, 2009, 042940 AM
Again, why forbidden on June 22 one year and OK to kill the animal until July 20 in a different year?

Both ignored this very valid Question which is the core as described in 937.

B- 937 Know that the use of the additional month causes an increase in rejection, for it is used by those who have rejected that they may misguide with it by making it lawful one year and forbidding it one year so as to circumvent the count that God has made restricted; , thus they make lawful what God made forbidden! Their evil works have been adorned for them, and God does not guide the rejecting people

It's the dumbest calendar ever because it serves absolutely no practical purpose. The seasons occur in different months of the "Islamic calendar" over just a few years. Also, it's next to impossible to know the precise date when a month of the "Islamic calendar" starts. Wouldn't an infinitely wise god would give us better ways of determining times of year?

What you?re talking of now is your view/opinion and I as a lawyer should ignore it but I have time, as long as you don?t repeat your questions, or else be ready to pay my fee > .

I can see that you use http//www.studyquran.co.uk so it may add to everyone?s knowledge if you study the two terms for years used in the Qur?an and share this knowledge with us. I give you a few examples below
The year 3am( &#1575 is used for carrying out our obligations to God, and the term Seeneen ( ) is also year especially in connection with land,
526 Land be out of reach 40 yrs
1247,48, year of draught and harvesting ,
105 The sun and the moon are both used when referring to Sineen
1712 where for daily seeking bounty from land sineen is used
926 wish to live life thousand seeneen,

So clearly there are two types of years in the Quran.

The calendar you or Meteora are referring to is the official calendar, adopted by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab to fix the dates. This did NOT disturb the month of fasting.(just as the ?sunni? in my blue lagoon scenario see?s Ramadan as the 12th month, of his migration yet he fast on same occasion as the rest whose calendar see this month as the 9th)

Understanding shahr ramadan as the Flower Moon is much, much more sensible because the Flower Moon is obvious, it's occurrence is independent of the decisions that were taken by previous generations

Good of you to select ?the Flower moon ?from the Wikipedia collection since what, in English, is called the full moon is actually half of the moon cycle.

and there's no evidence that the "Islamic calendar" was instituted by the god. Only those who secretly think the god is stupid can believe that the god instituted the "Islamic calendar" and therefore those who believe It did will probably go to Hell.

We do not fast according to your ?stupid" Islamic calendar, we fast according to the cycle started by the prophet per the event when the Qur?an was revealed to him, and he surly knew more than your dictionaries if it was during burning, heat/ blasted by the sun. yes

As ?guest? pointed out on page 80 ? Reply #1192 on August 25, 2009, 070849 PM ? The Quran says Prophet Muhammad was given wisdom. Nowhere in the Quran have we found that Ayman was given wisdom. On the contrary the Quran warns us about people like you who twist God?s words hmm

So Alhumdullilah, despite all failed attempts to knock unconscious true Muslims in order to make re-arrangements, the cycle established by the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is rock solid and is going on till this day without any discontinued intercalation or frozen commutation. hail
peace
Ps An example of Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous The announcement (Cards) proud parents convey about the birth of their infant... sun

guest

Peace Ayman

Quote from Ayman ?(for example that the solar year is the interval between solstices)?

Solar year can be defined between two March equinoxes, between two June solstices, between September equinoxes, and between two December solstices.

The issue at hand is not the solar year but your convoluted solar/lunar timing system. You have produced a timing system that is neither solar nor lunar. Yet you claim that it in synch with 365.2xx. I have exposed the truth about your timing system (354/383 days). If it is strictly solar or strictly lunar timing system then you (Ayman) is irrelevant. You (Ayman) come into picture because of integrated single solar/lunar timing system.

Now, please refute the below statement and tell us how primitive people determined the summer solstice accurately.

Unlike the equinox, the solstice time is not easy to determine. The changes in Solar declination become smaller as the sun gets closer to its maximum/minimum declination. The days before and after the solstice, the declination speed is less than 30 arcseconds/day which is less than 1/60th of the angular size of the sun, or the equivalent to just 2 seconds of right ascension.

This difference is hardly detectable with indirect viewing based devices like sextant equipped with a vernier, and impossible with more traditional tools like a gnomon or an astrolabe. It is also hard to detect the changes on sunrise/sunset azimuth due to the atmospheric refraction changes. Those accuracy issues render impossible to determine the solstice day based on observations made within the 3 (or even 5) days surrounding the solstice, without the use of more complex tools.

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Ayman...

There is no more escaping with your childish comments above.

I said

Quote from progressive1993 on Yesterday at 050409 PM
Also, another question for ayman
How can the Quran have been sent down IN a moon?
Just to recap, it actually says "in".. too bad, eh?
2185 The month of Ramadan, is the month in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion...
2185 Shahru ramadana allatheeonzila feehi alqur-anu hudan lilnnasiwabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqan

Then you said

It is the same as when someone tells you I am sitting in the scorching full moon or in a bright sun or in a cloudy afternoon. This is perfectly normal in regular speech. It doesn't mean that they traveled to the sun and are sitting on its surface!

There you go..you directly answered my question "how can it be reveled IN the MOON of Ramadan." Stop making excuses and baseless accusations like you always do.

Anyways, ayman, just a question

what sounds more logical to you

The Quran was revelaed IN THE MONTH OF RAMDAN
or
The Quran was revealed IN THE MOON OF SCORCHING HEAT?

Put the whole Ramadan issue aside - which one sounds more logical to you language-wise?

From submission.org/fasting-bible.html

Jeremiah 366. "Therefore go thou, and read in the roll, which thou hast written from my mouth, the words of the Lord in the ears of the people in the Lord's house upon the fasting day and also thou shalt read them in the ears of all Judah that come out of their cities." Here we find a definite practice of fasting. The following verses will show that this is not just a day of fasting, but precisely a month. More detail on this day of fasting is given in verse nine "And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the Lord to all the people in Jerusalem, and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem." This is not a special fast proclaimed by a religious ruler, because this particular king was wicked. Nevertheless, he did follow the formality of what was practiced the month of fasting. The time given for this fasting is stated to be the ninth month.

The season of the fast in this particular year, thought by many scholars to be 604 B.C., is stated to be in the winter. Jeremiah 3622, "Now the king sat in the winter house in the ninth month and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him." Now the present Jewish calendar adds a thirteenth month from time to time to match the solar year, so that the ninth month of the civil year (used in the dates of kings' reigns) falls in May or June, summer in Palestine. If we project the lunar calendar presently used in the Middle East back in history, we find that the ninth month falls in November of the year 604 B.C. It appears that during Bible times a purely lunar calendar was used, and the ninth month was a month of fasting.

Indeed, God did not lie when he said

2183 O you who acknowledge, fasting is decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you that perhaps you may be righteous/aware.

Ayman, do you have any evidence of monotheists having fasted after witnessing the "moon of scorching heat"?? Do you have ANY evidence? I showed you my evidence for the real Ramadan - not the fabricated, one-third "Ramadan" of yours. Are you still going to reject the real Ramadan, and not fast for a full month - not just your lousy 10 days?

Your response is awaited.

Peace,
have a nice Ramadan.

Meteora

Meteora,

The traditional understanding of ramadan is dumb and to attribute something dumb to the god is to imply that the god is dumb, which is irrational and untrue. It is the god's law that people who don't rid their minds of irrationality and falsehood will end up in Hell.

What if they humbly believe it's not dumb? What if they're not implying that God is dumb?

Point is God won't trick. Yes surely those who think God is dumb (like those dumb enough that they thought ones with enough knowledge of the Quran will think the ahadith are God-and-messenger-supported) are condemned i.e. enemies of the prophet.

anthonywallace

2183 O you who believe, you are ordered to fast as those before you, it could be that you are fearful and obedient.

2184 A designated term; so whoever from among you is ill or traveling; then complete the number at other times; and as for those who cannot do without, then they may redeem by feeding any of the poorest of the poor, and whoever gives alms voluntarily, then it is best for him, and it is best that you fast, if you are able.

2185 The Quran was sent down in the month of Rahmadan, to guide the people and to clarify the guidance and the Difference between Right and Wronge. So one should fast the month, whoever of you witnesses it. And whoever from among you is ill or traveling; then complete the number on other days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the term, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

anthonywallace

2726 ?And I found her and her people prostrating to the sun instead of God! And the devil had made their works appear good to them, so he kept them away from the path, for they are not being guided.?

Rami

I have a way to resolve the issue.

A year is a count of 12 lunar cycles.

4 are restricted.

Ramadan is the hottest lunar cycle.

No need for any intercalation, determining solstices or misnomers.

Pure, simple and straightforward.

farida