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But a month of fasting for who?? There is no such thing in the Torah.
http//www.karaite-korner.org/abib.shtml
The Tanakh says so...
Again I need to say that I am not talking about your intercalary ayman-way month-counting Jews who dont follow God's system of 12 months in a year - I am talking about the righteous submitters who are described in the text (although the king is said not to have been righteous - neverthelss, he fasted).This is the text from submission.org again
The season of the fast in this particular year, thought by many scholars to be 604 B.C., is stated to be in the winter. Jeremiah 3622, "Now the king sat in the winter house in the ninth month and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him."
Now the present Jewish calendar adds a thirteenth month from time to time to match the solar year, so that the ninth month of the civil year (used in the dates of kings' reigns) falls in May or June, summer in Palestine. If we project the lunar calendar presently used in the Middle East back in history, we find that the ninth month falls in November of the year 604 B.C. It appears that during Bible times a purely lunar calendar was used, and the ninth month was a month of fasting.
"And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the Lord to all the people in Jerusalem, and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem."
The people fasted in the ninth month of their lunar calendar - just like we are told to do in the Quran. This is proof that people fasted exactly the same way as we do now. Ayman needs to bring proof for his claims.
Peace
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The Tanakh says so...
Again I need to say that I am not talking about your intercalary ayman-way month-counting Jews who dont follow God's system of 12 months in a year - I am talking about the righteous submitters who are described in the text (although the king is said not to have been righteous - neverthelss, he fasted).This is the text from submission.org again
The season of the fast in this particular year, thought by many scholars to be 604 B.C., is stated to be in the winter. Jeremiah 3622, "Now the king sat in the winter house in the ninth month and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him."
Now the present Jewish calendar adds a thirteenth month from time to time to match the solar year, so that the ninth month of the civil year (used in the dates of kings' reigns) falls in May or June, summer in Palestine. If we project the lunar calendar presently used in the Middle East back in history, we find that the ninth month falls in November of the year 604 B.C. It appears that during Bible times a purely lunar calendar was used, and the ninth month was a month of fasting.
"And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the Lord to all the people in Jerusalem, and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem."
The people fasted in the ninth month of their lunar calendar - just like we are told to do in the Quran. This is proof that people fasted exactly the same way as we do now. Ayman needs to bring proof for his claims.
Peace
If its not in the Torah, its not required of the Israelites.
Peace.
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If its not in the Torah, its not required of the Israelites.
Peace.
You've missed the point...
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You've missed the point...
Peace brothers,
This is derailing the main subject I would rather discuss this in the section under Christianity/Judaism/Others
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I have found most hilarious posts so check my next reply...It is soooo funny rotfl laugh laugh laugh laugh -
Peace brothers,
This is derailing the main subject I would rather discuss this in the section under Christianity/Judaism/Others
yay
I have found most hilarious posts so check my next reply...It is soooo funny rotfl laugh laugh laugh laughyou last reply was funny too when you said, in urdu, 3shra is related to moon or month... rotfl
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You are reverting to foul language
Good bye.Peace sister,
Ok I will send it to the dry cleaners.and to the old bankrupt farida we know,
Old? nope I'd rather be bankrupt in this world than in the next.
but you seem to have forgotten that you could not then, and cannot now frighten anybody in the hope of shutting them up.You are the one who is frightened.
You mean like what you did to Q_student on page 59Reply #876
Night of power? What on earth is that? rotfl
So this holy night should wholly be a festival of indulgence in sex and food?! yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay
Reply #32 on November 29, 2004,
marie The same word "taqdeer" is also used in 3638, 4112, 7616
The night of alqadr is the first night of siyam (ramadan), the God explains us what is permitted during the the night of abstinence
- to approach your women sexually
- And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn;
Allah said that the night of alqadr is peaceful until the coming of dawn (975) yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay
sun Reply #33 on November 29 2004,sun
Ayman Sister, this is very enlightening. With your permission, I would like to incorporate your thoughtful and excellent observations in the article.
1 night of destiny/night of the abstinence/night of the full moon of scorching heat + 10 nights = 11 (odd) nights = 10 (even) days of abstinenceIt makes perfect sense. Merci Beaucoup. bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Paix,
For full entertainmen you can now go to page 3 it's easy so just go to first page and then to page three. I just realisesd its on page 3 laugh rotfl
You really lost your nerves when you protest why I am not answering a question which is on a later post of yours, not the one I was responding to.
My post was answering yours paragraph by paragraph. If you think it was going into circles, look at yourself, not at me.
You are the one who is need of a deep breath... and some manners.Ok I have taken a deep breath now can you please give me your view about the plight of the blind in your "shahr ramadan please".
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Peace sister,
Ok I will send it to the dry cleaners.Old? nope I'd rather be bankrupt in this world than in the next.
You mean like what you did to Q_student on page 59Reply #876
So this holy night should wholly be a festival of indulgence in sex and food?! yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay
Reply #32 on November 29, 2004,
marie The same word "taqdeer" is also used in 3638, 4112, 7616
The night of alqadr is the first night of siyam (ramadan), the God explains us what is permitted during the the night of abstinence
- to approach your women sexually
- And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn;
Allah said that the night of alqadr is peaceful until the coming of dawn (975) yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay
sun Reply #33 on November 29 2004,sun
Ayman Sister, this is very enlightening. With your permission, I would like to incorporate your thoughtful and excellent observations in the article.
1 night of destiny/night of the abstinence/night of the full moon of scorching heat + 10 nights = 11 (odd) nights = 10 (even) days of abstinenceIt makes perfect sense. Merci Beaucoup. bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Paix,
For full entertainmen you can now go to page 3 it's easy so just go to first page and then to page three .
Ok I have taken a deep breath now can you please give me your view about the plight of the blind in your "shahr ramadan please".
the night of power elektro
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Salaam farida
You missed one important definition voluminous wide woman.
rotfl rotfl rotfl
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Peace,
for those of you who are fasting, aren't you supposed not to argue while fasting?
anyways, for those quoting hadith, you are wasting your time on me,
Ayman is far from being a genius, but his understanding of the fast as decreed
in the Qur'an is spot on, and I invite you to follow it from next year, Allah willing,
if you wish to maximise your rewards.Ayman, please do not be too impulsive in making comments, as I have followed you since 2003, and several
times you make pronouncements before they are fully clear in your head, this confuses matters with peeps.
You have been blessed these times with ramadan, the hajj, so glory be to Allah, and let us thank him for those
insights.
Your insights in the Jinns are completely off the mark, unless you have changed your pop psychology interpretation,
and if I were to judge you on that alone, I would not accept anything from you, but we need to be mature enough that
in Ijtihad we will make mistakes, but we ought to be big and wise enough and humble enough to recognise that we made one.
I am also curious as how you read the Quran, and do you also take into account of signs that Allah sends along the way.
We do dismiss the signs we get when asleep, while at those times our soul goes back to our Maker, and gets re-programed
in some sorts of way, Joseph was endowed with the ability to read the programing whereas I suppose for us, it is subliminal,
and everyday, we wake up we get taken over by the day to day reality, and choose to over-ride "valuable" instincts that Allah
every single night re-instills in us while we sleep...
(For a flavour of this, -though in a psychological/psychiatric contest- you can refer to Human Givens - Joe Griffin & Ivan Tyrrell as a start up) - it is really fascinating... -
the night of power elektro
ANd Hajj is all about feasting. bravo bravo bravo
you last reply was funny too when you said, in urdu, 3shra is related to moon or month... rotfl
If you listen to Urdu radio service in Ramadan then you would hear about Akhri 3shra ie last ten days of the month and of course the night of power.
3shra is divided into three sections. The first ten days of the moon cycle is awasl 3shra, then comes the middle 3shra and then final 3shra.(Akhri 3shra )So 3shra is not an object call moon but the whole moon cycle from crescent to crescent.
Salaam -
BUT..... , 936 talks about counting twelve full-moons, ( not months) , in GOD'S RECORD (Different from 12.3 that you actually count). so we should count EXACTLY twelve full moons (not months ) to fullfil this commandement .
Peace
And that is what I and the believers are counting 12 Moon Cycles, as we are instructed by our Lord...Eventually we'll have to skip the occasional 13 th full moon (again not month) to acknowledge the God's will, and to keep in sync with that (natural) solar year , and hence the result is
1 - Ramadan will always occur at the same "hot" time of the year, and will not drift away and all around.
2- The restricted full moons ( i think you got it now that it cannot be months) will always be consecutive and will always sync with the mating season of the wild life.
3- Hajj will always be in the same period of the year (ie. the harvest, in order to witness the benefits of Allah and remember and thank Him) and will always be between early summer and early fall, (yes , GOd Allowed us to do the hajj whenever one wants within the 4 restricted full-moons (you know what bravo) . Moreover i think that's why fighting is not allowed in this periode (harvest) to let people gather their food. and it will be unfair to attack people while they are harvesting.And that is what I and the believers do not follow, because we know that our Lord did not Instruct us to do so...and from debating and reading the different comments in this thread, non have provided such instruction from Quran.
Therefore, you have your deen and we will have ours, and God will be the Judge in the Day were every one will be Judged.
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My mother Allah bless her soul, used to tell me that Layaltul Qadr was a very short night in the year,
this was from oral tradition from bedouin tribes in the sahara desert, and so even though this does
not constitute a proof, for me it nevertheless constitutes a sign that it has to be in summer.
Jazakumallah khairanSalaam brother,
And your sister Farida is also saying the same, NOT about fasting but that Leilat Al Qadr is linked to hot weather, as the Quran was revealed, on that night, in the phase of the cycle where that night falls in the month of hot weather(in Jerusalem).
However for fasting?whoever of you witnesses the month/moon, then let him fast therein?; ? this section is about the month/moon that comes once in every 12 moon cycles.(like a birth month) leading you back to the original event the revelation of the Qur?an.
for this piece of valuable ijtihad, and I am so convinced that I will start enjoining those who ask to fast this way.
You are now going to enjoy ijtihad, Ayman cooked along with his team. eat
Brother I will soon be posting the Grand picture so do read it word by word please and then give your valuable advice.
God bless
Peace,
I am also curious as how you read the Quran, and do you also take into account of signs that Allah sends along the way.
We do dismiss the signs we get when asleep, while at those times our soul goes back to our Maker, and gets re-programed
in some sorts of way, Joseph was endowed with the ability to read the programing whereas I suppose for us, it is subliminal,
and everyday, we wake up we get taken over by the day to day reality, and choose to over-ride "valuable" instincts that Allah
every single night re-instills in us while we sleep...
(For a flavour of this, though in a psychological/psychiatric contest) you can refer to Human Givens - Joe Griffin & Ivan Tyrrell as a start up) - it is really fascinating...'Recitation of the Qur'an after the dawn prayers is witnessed' means that when you get your signs/guidance for the day and I firmly believe in those signs.
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Peace
And that is what I and the believers are counting 12 Moon Cycles, as we are instructed by our Lord...And that is what I and the believers do not follow, because we know that our Lord did not Instruct us to do so...and from debating and reading the different comments in this thread, non have provided such instruction from Quran.
Therefore, you have your deen and we will have ours, and God will be the Judge in the Day were every one will be Judged.
Salaam belH
Happy Ramadan! Good to see you on this thread again. Your valuable contributions, of last year, have proved a great resource. Jazakumallah khairan.You can see again that the organised and well oiled, but badly equipped with pdf files, Prince of Darkness is bidding on the hope that he can get away with his lies. nope that will never happen.
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Peace
And that is what I and the believers are counting 12 Moon Cycles, as we are instructed by our Lord...And that is what I and the believers do not follow, because we know that our Lord did not Instruct us to do so...and from debating and reading the different comments in this thread, non have provided such instruction from Quran.
Therefore, you have your deen and we will have ours, and God will be the Judge in the Day were every one will be Judged.
Easy with the spooky apocalyptic language. D
We are not disputing the 12 lunar cycles.
We are disputing the arbitrary Ramadan placement.
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Easy with the spooky apocalyptic language. D
We are not disputing the 12 lunar cycles.
We are disputing the arbitrary Ramadan placement.
I will soon be posting "the Grand Scheme" behind disputing the arbitrary Ramadan placement.
So look forwad to the fianl destination plan. jedi
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Peace Ayman,
No the point is that all your arguments are from ignorance. Even an illiterate knows the basics such as the difference between masculine (he/"huwa" and feminine pronouns (she/"hiya" and that they refer to masculine and feminine objects. You have not even reached that level. You are acting like a baby who is still learning "dada" and "mama" but doesn't know pronouns and frankly speaking I am not in the mood for babysitting so don't continue sliding this slippery slope and have the courage to admit that you were wrong otherwise you will lose whatever little credibility you still have and changing your screen name will not help.
I have vowed i.e. made shahida to fast the month and to refrain my response.
Using context, is walad -- boy/son (masculine) in 411 not applicable to girl/daughter (feminine)?
There is no such thing as a 11 relation between feeding the poor and days of abstinence. You obviously never read 589 where feeding 10 poor equates to 3 days of fasting (i.e., 3.331). I guess we won't be hearing this nonsense from you again.
Thanks I did not recollect that verse. Regardless, shahr is a lunar month fast dawn to sunset 60 days or feed 60 poor.
How come we continue hear about the full moon illusion nonsense; are you too proud to admit a mistake after it was repeatedly shown the BIG RED FULL MOON a few days before the solstice makes the full moon 26-29 days after the solstice look as a baby?
Is The Full Moon Illusion still applicable Ayman -- tell the truth?
Both hu refer back to "the fasting that was dictated on you." This is because there are many types of abstinances. In this case, what was dictated on us is "the fasting of the complete count of a few days".
"falyasum alssiyamu" -- that seems right to you?
Salaam Samia,
Back to your question In such a case I would personally say it refers to "shahr" since it's the nearest singular masculine to the pronoun.
Thank you for your honest answer.
2185 faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu -- so he should fast it (i.e. ?alshshahra?)
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AHHHHHHHHHH this is what some one is doing http//img266.imageshack.us/img266/4852/bepolite.gif the how some one can enjoy this thread. nope
Salaam Afridi,
You are so helpful when it comes to finding Urdu wrtings now see here; quickduck has quoted a proverb we have in Urdu too...
Kuty ki Dum hazar saal bhi nalki me rakhi mugur teri ki teri rahi.From quickduck
I like proverbs..Here's an arabic one dhil al kalb 3omro ma yen3idil
the tail of the Dog never gets straight.Yet he won't acceptt that Urdu for month moon is same as Arabic. yes