Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Scrappy-doo,
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peaceThe scorching full moon is on the night of July 16. So the fasting starts on the dawn of July 17 and lasts for 10 days, i.e. until July 26th.
In most places, the full-moon will appear shortly after the sun sets. Remember the following passages as you witness it
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So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
After sunset when the sky is glowing red -
And the night and what it enshrouds.
and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction -
And the moon when it becomes symmetric.
from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.
Tip I believe the best way to witness this full moon is to find a spot where there?s a low horizon at the point exactly opposite the sunset, because this is where the big full moon will rise (e.g. the countryside, the beach,...). Once it climbs overhead it will shrink to a fraction of its moonrise size. If possible, try to position yourself so it rises behind some far away buildings or trees to appreciate the size difference.
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Peace Fadiva,
do you have a translation of this article ?
The chapter in the link is based on the original posts in this thread (same author). Maybe not an exact translation — the link has also some additional information/insights from discussions in this thread and others on this forum — but it is mainly an Arabic version/translation of the article (see original post).
Also, only the first three chapters of the book are available in English for now (see my signature).
Best regards.
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For the purpose of delay their must be a certain period of happening or certain events occurring, restriction is from hunt therefore period of hunt must coincides with period of restriction, which is four, and delay is to make hunt permitted one year and restricted another year. In purely lunar calendar this coincidence can never take place 'permanently' thus circumvention is evident. Ancients must have loved the hunt.
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A day is better than days and should night be better than it must be better than other nights but in no case day or night could be compare with each other or the months, as they are disparate product of cosmic luminaries. thus, in 973 "shahar" is not months.
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For the purpose of delay their must be a certain period of happening or certain events occurring, restriction is from hunt therefore period of hunt must coincides with period of restriction, which is four, and delay is to make hunt permitted one year and restricted another year. In purely lunar calendar this coincidence can never take place 'permanently' thus circumvention is evident. Ancients must have loved the hunt.
Peace Dr. Adnan,
I have been inactive for a while but saw your post today. Indeed the whole timing is all about the hunting restriction. Even fasting is about the hunting restriction and our role as good stewards of this blessed earth and all the creatures in it. From your observation, not only does the hunting restriction coincide with the inviolable 4 full moons but also the fact that the ancients used improper intercalation to violate the hunting restriction would confirm that the year starts with the inviolable 4 full moons (since intercalation happens at the end of the year).
The scorching full-moon (the first inviolable full moon) and inhumane hunting are closely connected. In the discussion of the root “RaMaD” in Lexicons one of the derivatives is “taramod” and it has the meaning of a hunter chasing prey during the time of scorching heat (“ramad”) until its legs are burned from the intensity of running in the heat and the hunter easily catches it . By killing a female wild animal in this inhumane manner as she went out searching for food for her newborns, the hunter would not just be killing her but he would also be sentencing her dependent newborns to a slow death by thirst and starvation. Instead of proper intercalation, the Arabs used to delay the first inviolable full-moon (the scorching full-moon) every other year in order to take advantage of this inhumane way of hunting to easily catch prey.
It is often believed that the purpose of fasting is to feel the suffering of the poor. However, this is clearly false since the poor are also to fast and there is no exemption for them. Passage 595 lists fasting as one of the punishments for violating the hunting restriction and specifically as a way for the hunter to “TASTE the evil result of his deed”.
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O you who have faith! do not kill game while you are restricted, and whoever among you shall kill it intentionally, the compensation is the equivalent of what he killed from the livestock, as two just persons among you shall judge, as an offering to reach the base, or the expiation by feeding the poor, or the equivalent of it in fasting so that he may taste the evil result of his deed. The god has pardoned past offenses. But whoever does it again, the god will inflict retribution on him; and the god is mighty with retribution.Fasting will make the hunter taste the evil result of his deed by experiencing thirst and hunger like his victim’s newborn animals.
The connection of fasting with animals and the hunting restriction is a reminder that humans as leaders of the earth should humanely treat creatures under our care. It is also apparent when we look at the only two passages in the Quran where the expression “magnify the god for what he guided you” occurs
- A scorching full-moon is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and revelations from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling, a count of other days. The god wants to make it easy not hard on you. And complete the count and magnify the god for what he guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.
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YUSUFALI It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches that reaches the god. It is your forethought that reaches him. He has thus made them subject to you, so that you magnify the god for what he has guided you and give good news to all who do right.The purpose of the fasting marked by the scorching full moon (the first inviolable full moon that signals the beginning of the hunting restriction) is to remind us to have compassion for the suffering of newborn animals who would die from thirst and hunger if a hunter kills their mother.
Those who are guided will understand how everything is connected, the timing, the restriction, fasting, our purpose in life, and the god appointing us as leaders of this earth.
Peace and blessings,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
I would like to have your opinion on this article concerning the practice of siyam as a retreat in the temples.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a217a9b0e845f01e1c6a696b7383fa5&topic=9610862.0
We had a discussion about laylate alqadr in 2004.
Peace
Houriya alias marie
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Peace Ayman,
Thanks for elucidation, learning itself is a journey some travel fast some slow.
Indeed, they are all connected, "the timing, the restriction, fasting". which were in later time separated by founders of artificial religion called Al-Islam in same manner the way they separated salat and Qur'an.
Peace and blessing,
Adnan
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Peace,
You haven't answered my request.
Peace
Peace Ayman,
I would like to have your opinion on this article concerning the practice of siyam as a retreat in the temples.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a217a9b0e845f01e1c6a696b7383fa5&topic=9610862.0
We had a discussion about laylate alqadr in 2004.
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Peace Ayman,
I would like to have your opinion on this article concerning the practice of siyam as a retreat in the temples.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a217a9b0e845f01e1c6a696b7383fa5&topic=9610862.0
We had a discussion about laylate alqadr in 2004.
Peace
Houriya alias marie
Peace Sister..
I have a concern...
Would you pls explain 5804 or 595 or any other fasting.. Does it befit retreat with all siyam?
Why expiation of siyam? Elaborate to us pls how it works for expiation... -
God’s law in the same solar year
every tour the moon makes around the earth produces a NEW lunar month;
therefore never does a lunar month e.g. Jumada al-Ula repeat itself.Did we believers obey this divine law in solar year 2020
so that the time of Shahr Ramadan in solar year 2021 can be true?
Please take a look at the full moon dates in year 2020
and decide for yourselfFull Moons in 2020
Jan 10 ---------- Jumada al-Ula*
Feb 08 ---------- Jumada al-Akhirah
Mar 09 ---------- Rajab
Apr 08 ---------- Sha’ban
May 07 ---------- Ramadan
Jun 06 ---------- Shawwal
Jul 05 ----------- Dhul-Qa’dah
Aug 04 ---------- Dhul-Hijjah
Sep 02 ---------- Muharram
Oct 01 ---------- Safar
Oct 31 ---------- Rabi’ al-Awwal
Nov 29 --------- Rabi’ ath-Thani
Dec 29 --------- ?Full Moons in 2021
Jan 27 ---------- Jumada al-Ula
Feb 26 ---------- Jumada al-Akhirah
Mar 28 ---------- Rajab
Apr 26 ---------- Sha’ban
May 26 --------- Ramadan
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*https//www.al-habib.info/islamic-calendar/hijri-global/hijri-calendar-1441-AH.htm
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peace,
If recipients knew what shahr ramadan (2185) meant, - a lunar month starting from new crescent - then why they asked for "crescents" (2189)? recipient knew what shahr ramdan meant and it was something which prompted them to ask about crescent because it had nothing to do with crescents.
peace
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Peace Dr. Adnan,
I have been inactive for a while but saw your post today. Indeed the whole timing is all about the hunting restriction. Even fasting is about the hunting restriction and our role as good stewards of this blessed earth and all the creatures in it. From your observation, not only does the hunting restriction coincide with the inviolable 4 full moons but also the fact that the ancients used improper intercalation to violate the hunting restriction would confirm that the year starts with the inviolable 4 full moons (since intercalation happens at the end of the year).
The scorching full-moon (the first inviolable full moon) and inhumane hunting are closely connected. In the discussion of the root “RaMaD” in Lexicons one of the derivatives is “taramod” and it has the meaning of a hunter chasing prey during the time of scorching heat (“ramad”) until its legs are burned from the intensity of running in the heat and the hunter easily catches it . By killing a female wild animal in this inhumane manner as she went out searching for food for her newborns, the hunter would not just be killing her but he would also be sentencing her dependent newborns to a slow death by thirst and starvation. Instead of proper intercalation, the Arabs used to delay the first inviolable full-moon (the scorching full-moon) every other year in order to take advantage of this inhumane way of hunting to easily catch prey.
It is often believed that the purpose of fasting is to feel the suffering of the poor. However, this is clearly false since the poor are also to fast and there is no exemption for them. Passage 595 lists fasting as one of the punishments for violating the hunting restriction and specifically as a way for the hunter to “TASTE the evil result of his deed”.
005.095
O you who have faith! do not kill game while you are restricted, and whoever among you shall kill it intentionally, the compensation is the equivalent of what he killed from the livestock, as two just persons among you shall judge, as an offering to reach the base, or the expiation by feeding the poor, or the equivalent of it in fasting so that he may taste the evil result of his deed. The god has pardoned past offenses. But whoever does it again, the god will inflict retribution on him; and the god is mighty with retribution.Fasting will make the hunter taste the evil result of his deed by experiencing thirst and hunger like his victim’s newborn animals.
The connection of fasting with animals and the hunting restriction is a reminder that humans as leaders of the earth should humanely treat creatures under our care. It is also apparent when we look at the only two passages in the Quran where the expression “magnify the god for what he guided you” occurs
- A scorching full-moon is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and revelations from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling, a count of other days. The god wants to make it easy not hard on you. And complete the count and magnify the god for what he guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.
022.037
YUSUFALI It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches that reaches the god. It is your forethought that reaches him. He has thus made them subject to you, so that you magnify the god for what he has guided you and give good news to all who do right.The purpose of the fasting marked by the scorching full moon (the first inviolable full moon that signals the beginning of the hunting restriction) is to remind us to have compassion for the suffering of newborn animals who would die from thirst and hunger if a hunter kills their mother.
Those who are guided will understand how everything is connected, the timing, the restriction, fasting, our purpose in life, and the god appointing us as leaders of this earth.
Peace and blessings,
Ayman
Salaam.
Are you halfway through your fasting now bro Ayman?
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Salaam.
Are you fasting now? Anyone here fasting like us after witnessing shahr ramadhan 2022 a few days ago?
Salaam,
Absolutely, though the fast had begun on the full moon which was the 14th of July and just ended today, the 23rd. You can find Ayman on his facebook group at
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One group of Scholars claim that pre-Quranic Arabia was following Luni-solar calendar and after Quranic injunction calendar was abandoned and pure Lunar calendar was adopted, opposite group of scholars claim that pre-quranic Arabia was following lunar calendar and they use to postpone the restricted period. And after Quranic injunction postponement system was abandoned. Both groups of scholar claim that zodiac names found in safiatic epigraphic evidence (dialects of Old Arabic attested in the Safaitic script) were substituted for the name of lunar months. However, there is no attested proof that nomads of hijaz followed any luni-solar or purely lunar calendar substituting zodiac names for months. In contrary, Al Jallad, the leading authority in the field, has with cogent evidence based on archeological findings of Safaitic epigraphic evidence from pre-Quranic time, disproved the proposition that in pre-Quranic Arabia the zodiac names were substituted either for month names of the luni-solar calendar or, of a purely lunar calendar. According to him, two terms associated with the zodiac names rʾy and ks¹ʾ in epigraphic evidence if employed as meaning new moon and ‘full moon’, thus signaling the beginning and middle of the month, produces several chronological mismatches with the events described in the inscriptions and the time of year in which they are said to have taken place. He further demonstrated that if the nomads used an ideal 360-day calendar without intercalation or a purely lunar calendar, then the months would move forward each year by four days with the former and 11.25 days with the latter. This, however, seems impossible in light of the re-occurring phrase, ‘mlḥ w ḏkr w ʾmt ‘Aquarius and Aries and Libra’, zodiac names, which corresponds to the similar triad of season, dṯʾ w qyẓ w s²ty ‘the season of the later rains and the dry season and the winter’. The term syf (early summer), according to him, occurs only three times in the Safaitic inscriptions signifying a transitional period between dṯʾ and the dry season, qyẓ . Its fourth attestation is in Quran 1062.
Al jallad has pointed out that on the basis of safaitic epigraphic evidence, the recording of time in epigraphs are expressed through four different means (i) the explicit mentioning of the word snt 'year', (2) the mentioning of a particular season, (3) constellations, or (4) the use of the Babylonian months. Al jallad has concluded while discussing pre-Islamic Arabic zodiac calendar in his another 2016 published work that Arabian zodiac as a system is not directly comparable to any of the attested zodiac calendars known from antiquity, nor can it be interpreted as a luni-solar or lunar calendar where the zodiac names are simply substitutes for month names. Zodiac constellations in inscriptions, according to him, were tied to seasonal events rains, migrations and perhaps religious rituals such as pilgrimage. Such events were mentioned in conjunction with the movement of the sun through the constellations, stars, their dawn and evening risings, rʾy and perhaps the presence of the full moon or their cosmical setting, ks¹ʾ.
Verdict being, nomads followed the seasons and mentioned the time of the season in conjunction with the movement of the sun through the constellations and perhaps the presence of the full moon. It turns out that all that we ever heard of pre-quranic Arabian calendar system from scholars is nothing but cooked up stories.
In archeological findings of Safaitic epigraphic evidence from pre-islamic time, word shahur is attested in two epigraphs discovered till now, once as singular in (KRS 1965) and another in plural in (WH 3792.a). In later as ‘wrd tltt 's2hr s'nt hrb g{s2}m 'L tmd’ meaning, ‘he went to water for three shahrun the year {Gs2m} and the people of Tmd made war’ and in former as ‘b- s2hr s'bt’ meaning ‘in shahr sebat. ‘S¹bṭ’ here refers to Babylonian month sabbatu. Does Arabs were using word shahr for month?
According to Al jallad , Babylonian month corresponds to seasonal formula, he stated that sabbatu, jan-feb, corresponds to Arabic shita (winter), however, he pointed out that (KRS 1965) wherein word shahr is used, is an exception for not mentioning any season. Nevertheless he showed that Babylonian months were not used as a part of the dating formula but it was repurposed into a seasonal calendar. Therefore, it’s possible that Babylonian month sabbatu correspond to particular constellation in season shita, being simply substituted for seasons or astronomical phenomena. This means that if sabbatu, (jan-feb) simply substituted for seasons or astronomical phenomena than it corresponds to zodiac ‘mlḥ’ that is Aquarius. This is very important, for al jallad has argued in his 2015 published work that the Safaitic inscriptions as a whole do not reflect a process of free composition, but belong instead to a formulaic writing traditions. In line with this argument he has suggested in his published work of 2016 that in pre-Islamic epigraph discovered in northern Jordan by Sabri Abbadi, c.1995 word ‘qmr’, literally moon, in ‘b- qmr h- ʾns¹y’ correspond to ‘b- ks¹ʾ ngm’ meaning in full moon of virgo. Both ʾns¹y and ngm meaning virgo thus qmr correspond to ks¹ meaning full moon. Similarly, it’s also possible that ‘b- s2hr s'bt’ in (KRS 1965) is referring to full moon of sabbatu, because its corresponding to ‘b- ks¹ʾ mlḥ’ in (C 523) meaning ‘full moon of Aquarius’.
For word month, it’s suggested that safaitic inscriptions uses word ‘wrhn’ but they does not use either the name of constellation or of Babylonian months along with this word. Formulae in (KS 25) ‘L- hmsH 'rh’ ‘for five rh’ and in (RVP 7) ‘b- rhbt wrhn’ meaning ‘over two wrhn’ seems to be similar to ‘tltt 's2hr s'nt’. Keeping in mind that pre-islamic arab didn’t used any monthly based calendar or a fixed calendric system to keep track of the days, and month but they identify period of time through appearance of celestial bodies, it’s not farfetched that ‘wrhn’ alike ‘shahr’ also means full moon. In summary, Arab nomads identified full moon in terms (Qamar, shahr, whrn, KS) as transition from one seasonal constellation/period to another seasonal constellation/period.
Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (HALOT) points out that yareah and s2hr, also means "full moon" {see HALOT, #3968; 3970). Similarly, in sematic usage for Arabic "sh-ah-r” there are two words in Hebrew bible (if one remembers the shift from shin to sin like shalom/salam and vice versa from sin to shin) one is שַׂהֲרֹן"saharon" plural from the same סַהַר"sahar" according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance former refer to ornament, round tire like the "moon" (Isaiah 31 and later word is agreed by all that it refer to "roundness" (Songs 72).
Hence, all the etymology of the word “shahr”, its usage in Qur’an, in epigraphic evidence of pre-Quranic time, and its Semitic usage indisputably and clearly points to roundness of full-moon and not the thin, unobvious, and dim new crescent moon (like Ayman put it), or concept of month as we understand.
the original meaning of roundness of expression S2hr is very important. when quran uses the word s2hr with winds, it is certainly speaking of vortex. the control over inner and outer vortex of violent winds.
may my sustainer increase me in knowledge.