Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Farida,
DNA is acceptable as evidence as witnessed by an expert on DNA. The blind girl didn't witness the DNA of the attackers so your analogy is irrelevant. If she knew her attackers and can identify them based on sound then this is another matter and her testimony based on sound can be accepted although any defense attorney would probably cast doubt on it.
As for an online sighting of the scorching full moon, look at my avatar on the left side of your screen.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman,
I am talking about those who apply the verses of the Qur'an rigidly, (in the case of Ramadan you do it), and for them DNA does not matter nor that the girl could identify the culprits. This case made international headlines and left a terrible impression of Islam on the wider world so I am by no means trying to outdo you, but I am discussing what we read and what we should see as the essence of the message which you do on many occasions.
If you are talking about the image that Belal posted and claimed to be the sighting of the new moon, he was lying and it was actually a doctored image.
No I am talking about the moonsighting site I followedhttp//www.moonsighting.com/
peace
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Peace Prissy,
Brother ayman, in order for Muhammad to address what was revealed to him, people must have gathered/present to witness his call. The question of the blind, deaf and dumb to not (or cannot) "witness" does not arise (perhaps the word witness as translated seems either incorrect or misunderstood). The leverage of fasting set upon the sickly, travelers and the destitite is pretty much conditioned as per the Quran.
It depends on what is being witnessed. If your talking to a blind person then they can witness. If you are talking to a deaf person then they can witness by reading your lips. If your or my eyes are covered and our ears are plugged then you and I cannot witness. So in this case both the blind and deaf persons can witness while you and I can't (although we are present). As I asked you and you didn't answer, what is the point of saying "whoever amongst you"? Since in the context of time everyone is always "present" anyway then why not just command to abstain and that is it?
Samia makes a good first point in her previous post. Perhaps verse 2187 is grossly misunderstood. Doesn't the worse state that ".....until the white thread is distinct from the black thread, then complete the fast until 'fajar' (dawn)"? It then further goes on to state that "....do not approach your wives at night whilst (or IF) one decides/retreats to worship in mosques"? What's the point of eating and drinking all night long and not during daytime? Besides, was the quran revealed/addressed at night or during the day?
No it doesn't say ".....until the white thread is distinct from the black thread, then complete the fast until 'fajar' (dawn)". It says ".....until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of 'fajar' (dawn), then complete the fast until 'layl' (night)". So you objection is not valid.
Peace,
Ayman
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If you are talking about the image that Belal posted and claimed to be the sighting of the new moon, he was lying and it was actually a doctored image.
http//www.birding.in/images/Birds/golden_eagle.jpg
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php
Instead of answering my Questions, you are making more new lies.
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Peace Farida,
I am talking about those who apply the verses of the Qur'an rigidly, (in the case of Ramadan you do it), and for them DNA does not matter nor that the girl could identify the culprits. This case made international headlines and left a terrible impression of Islam on the wider world so I am by no means trying to outdo you, but I am discussing what we read and what we should see as the essence of the message which you do on many occasions.
Farida, do you have faith in the great reading? If so, do you really think that those who commit such terrible injustices are applying the great reading rigidly?
I would say quite the opposite. They are not applying the truth from our lord in the great reading rigidly. They don't even understand what the word "islam" means and they take it as a meaningless label that we are born with or achieved by mechanically uttering some words. You are not helping them and in fact you are contributing to the very problems that you are criticizing by not translating the language-independent universal concept of "islam" which was known even before Arabic was invented. If you want change, then let's start with ourselves first.
No I am talking about the moonsighting site I followedhttp//www.moonsighting.com/
I am afraid you are following another doctored image
We, at Moonsighting.com, calculate where the crescent moon sighting is possible for every lunar month. Visibility of the New Crescent Moon is calculated using the criteria, developed after decades of research by Khalid Shaukat, of Moonsighting Committee Worldwide (MCW).
Hmm... I don't remember 2185 saying anything about witnessing a doctored image, a committee, or even an image doctored by a committee.
Come on everyone, help Farida out. How hard can this be? We are in the digital age where everyone and their 4 year old son or daughter has a digital camera or a camera phone and yet no one of the billion so-called Muslims can witness the new moon and post a real image????????????!
How sad. But this is what the god does to even a billion people who ignore his clear command in 2185.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Prissy,
what is the point of saying "whoever amongst you"? Since in the context of time everyone is always "present" anyway then why not just command to abstain and that is it?
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Sorry the question was directed at Prissy, but maybe it meant those who live in places near the North and South pole where, during a summer month, the sun never sets, so dawn does not happen and thus do not experience day and night as the rest of the world. Often its been debated in those parts of the world how they are supposed to fast in the absence of a clear division of day and night.
Even in countries like the Uk and Sweden duirng summer months there is just twilight (no real darkness) and then the sun rises. I will be so happy if I am exempted from fasting in those months as days are really long and, in a few years Ramadan will fall in mid summer. wowpeace
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Peace Farida,
Farida, do you have faith in the great reading? If so, do you really think that those who commit such terrible injustices are applying the great reading rigidly?
Peace,
Ayman
Of course they are not following the Quran but if we insist on literal meanings of the Arabic than according to some a deaf person would not be able to divorce his wife as he can not utter world talaq.
I am afraid you are following another doctored image
I was not following any image just the calculation of moon cycle by new techonology/websites.
Hmm... I don't remember 2185 saying anything about witnessing a doctored image, a committee, or even an image doctored by a committee.
Come on everyone, help Farida out. How hard can this be? We are in the digital age where everyone and their 4 year old son or daughter has a digital camera or a camera phone and yet no one of the billion so-called Muslims can witness the new moon and post a real image????????????!
How sad. But this is what the god does to even a billion people who ignore his clear command in 2185.
Does the great reading mention an image by the digital camera or do we have a tug of war here who wins the arguments??????
I have posted above my understanding of those "who witness/whoever amongst you" in an earlier post and would welcome your comments.
peace
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But 2184 doesn't say "those who can afford it". It says "those who can do it with difficulty". So even if you can abstain from food and drink but with difficulty, you are OK to feed the poor instead.
Salaam Ayman
Thanks for your responseWhy is it (with difficulty)? What's the meaning of (Taaqa , the verbal noun of yuteeq) in these verses
2249 "They say We have no power this day against Goliath". In other words, we cannot afford fighting Goliath, not we cannot afford with difficulty fighting Goliath;
2286 "Our lord, ....and do not put upon us a burden greater than we have strength to bear..." in other words, greater than we are able to, than we can afford. -
Peace Farida,
Sorry the question was directed at Prissy, but maybe it meant those who live in places near the North and South pole where, during a summer month, the sun never sets, so dawn does not happen and thus do not experience day and night as the rest of the world. Often its been debated in those parts of the world how they are supposed to fast in the absence of a clear division of day and night.
Even in countries like the Uk and Sweden duirng summer months there is just twilight (no real darkness) and then the sun rises. I will be so happy if I am exempted from fasting in those months as days are really long and, in a few years Ramadan will fall in mid summer. wowThose who find hardship in fasting regardless of the reason can feed a poor person according to 2185.
The question was about Prissy saying that "shahad" doesn't mean "witness" but simply means being "pesent". Your answer doesn't address the question since people in Sweden or anywhere on earth are also "present".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Every one'
The word "Shahed" means Testify, according to the Quran;
An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran
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Allah Testifies (Shahed) that there is no god but He, and angels and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise. (3-1
I testify (Ashadu) that there is No God But Allah, without Seeing Him.
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Say "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is Witness between me and you this Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration That I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the One God and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him. (6-19)
Now Why Ayman insisting that ones must SEE The MOON if they Want To Fast.
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Peace Samia,
Why is it (with difficulty)? What's the meaning of (Taaqa , the verbal noun of yuteeq) in these verses
2249 "They say We have no power this day against Goliath". In other words, we cannot afford fighting Goliath, not we cannot afford with difficulty fighting Goliath;It means we can't do it even with difficulty. If they say they can't do it with ease then they are admitting to be lazy and cowards. But if they say they can't do it with difficulty then "dificulty" is their excuse. I hope you see the difference.
2286 "Our lord, ....and do not put upon us a burden greater than we have strength to bear..." in other words, greater than we are able to, than we can afford.
Exactly. It is not "do not burden us with what we can't carry easily" (otherwise we are lazy) it is "do not burden us with what we can't carry even with great difficulty".
Let me ask you a couple of questions.
When you say to someone in Arabic "Ana tayiq al7arr" then what does this mean? Does it mean that you can easily take the heat or you can take it with difficulty?
Also, when you say to someone in Arabic "Ana la atiq al7arr" then what does this mean? Does it mean that you can't take the heat even though it is easy on you or you can't take it even with great difficulty?
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam Belal
I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.
In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something. -
Peace Farida,
Those who find hardship in fasting regardless of the reason can feed a poor person according to 2185.
Peace,Ayman
This is the blessing of our Lord, but I was talking about excemption from fasting.
The question was about Prissy saying that "shahad" doesn't mean "witness" but simply means being "pesent". Your answer doesn't address the question since people in Sweden or anywhere on earth are also "present".
Sorry I should have explained I was reffering to "whoever amongst you" witness the clear division of day and night" and even if people in Sweden are present they do not ger to witness night and dark night most summer months.
Brother Bilal in his last post has given "An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran" and I would now follow your response to that.
Thanks for addressing my questions.
peace
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Salaam Belal
I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.
In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something.Do You Witness that Allah Exist?
And if Yes, is your testimony based on your seeing of Allah or something else? -
Peace Farida,
Of course they are not following the Quran but if we insist on literal meanings of the Arabic than according to some a deaf person would not be able to divorce his wife as he can not utter world talaq.
Where does it say in the great reading that divorce is about uttering a word? I think that you are confusing what you learned from traditions with what is in the great reading. No wonder you don't want to follow the great reading rigidly.
I was not following any image just the calculation of moon cycle by new techonology/websites.
You clearly said you followed the "moonsighting" site. I am afraid that you are following a grossly and misleadingly titled website. If they can't even be truthful about the simple matter of the title of the site then I doubt they are truthful about anything.
Does the great reading mention an image by the digital camera or do we have a tug of war here who wins the arguments??????
But you can't even present a digital image by a digital camera. What you showed is an artificial doctored image. As I said, it is pathetic that 1 billion so-called Muslims in this information age can't even post a real image of the actual new moon from last Sunday or Saturday.
I have posted above my understanding of those "who witness/whoever amongst you" in an earlier post and would welcome your comments.
peaceThank you and I answered.
Peace,
Ayman
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Do You Witness that Allah Exist?
And if Yes, is your testimony based on your seeing of Allah or something else?That's exactly what I am saying
The verb here means testify ashhadu alla (an laa that there's no) God but God. God here is not a direct object. This cannot be to witness. I do not say (ashhadu allah) -
Peace Farida,
Where does it say in the great reading that divorce is about uttering a word? I think that you are confusing what you learned from traditions with what is in the great reading. No wonder you don't want to follow the great reading rigidly.
You clearly said you followed the "moonsighting" site. I am afraid that you are following a grossly and misleadingly titled website. If they can't even be truthful about the simple matter of the title of the site then I doubt they are truthful about anything.
Salaam Ayman,
No I am not confused I was talking of the jewish "gett" style divorce by this free minder who wrote this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596857.0
Re Divorce State versus Islam
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Salaam dotty. As I said previously there is no mention of marriage or divorce in the Quran. Asking me for the procedure for divorce is a waste of your time.
However, if you are asking me to outline the procedure for talaq in the Quran, I can give you a skeleton outline. This is not a comprehensive answer because every single talaq is different, with crossover issues, relating in large part to the discretionary decisions of the zawj, and their actions. This outline applies to two normal people and their nikah. May Allah forgive me if I make an error.
The first stage in talaq is for either zawj to request an arbitration, wherein either party appoints their chosen arbitrator from amongst their people, briefs the arbitrator on the issues, then the arbitrators meet and go through the issues and come to a decision as to the issues. The parties are advised to comply with the decision of the arbitrators. There must be a reasonable time frame in the execution of the arbitration so as to allow enough time for both parties to discharge their duties to Allah. The arbitration must be complete as the first step before a talaq can move to the second stage.
The second stage is the pronouncement of talaq by the husband verbally and the requirement that the parties begin to come to a decision as to the issues of mahr and maintenance. According to Allah these issues are to be decided by the parties themselves. There is a mandatory waiting period here again prescribed by Allah. The first pronouncement of talaq and the waiting period must be complete before moving on to the third stage.
The third stage is the second pronouncement of talaq by the husband verbally and the requirement that the parties abide by another mandatory waiting period. At the end of the second waiting period comes the fourth and final stage.
The fourth stage is the separation of the zawj and the completion of the requirements of the talaq and the wife is free to leave the husband.
This is a skeleton outline of the process, when going through this process a person must be careful that all the requirements are met. This outline is based on verses of the Quran.
Allah is the lawgiver.
As I said, it is pathetic that 1 billion so-called Muslims in this information age can't even post a real image of the actual new moon from last Sunday or Saturday.
Thank you and I answered.
Peace,
Ayman
I am sorry; for you the Muslim world may include just the rich, but there are those who do not own a digital camera.
Yes the state of 1 billion so-called Muslims is pathetic and there's no chance that it will improve in the near future. '(
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Peace Farida,
This is the blessing of our Lord, but I was talking about excemption from fasting.
As you saw, this is the exemption due to hardship of any sort, including too long days. It has nothing to do with witnessing anything.
Sorry I should have explained I was reffering to "whoever amongst you" witness the clear division of day and night" and even if people in Sweden are present they do not ger to witness night and dark night most summer months.
But there is no reference to "day and night". The passage clearly says whoever witnesses the "shahr" (according to me the well known and easily witnessed by everyone "scorching full-moon" and according to you some vague and un-witnessable "month" with a meaningless name that doesn't portray reality).
Brother Bilal in his last post has given "An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran" and I would now follow your response to that.
I already explained previously how witnessing something is dependent on what it is we are witnessing. There are bigger issues than wasting time repeating myself for someone who has demonstrated to me that he is only looking in the great reading for excuses to justify following traditions.
The word "shahada" simply means "witness". Therefore, it is not surprising that you can't witness "the god" with any senses or even your mind. You can only witness that there is no god except the god. In other words, you can witness that there is only one god. The god chooses words very carefully. The god's words are universal so they are not dependent on some committee coming up with a doctored image of the new moon. They were as true hundreds of years ago as they are now and in the future. You only cause hardship on yourself by ignoring what 2185 is saying and the clear meaning of a key word such as "ramadan".
By the way, you didn't answer my question. Do you have faith in the great reading?
Peace,
Ayman
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That's exactly what I am saying
The verb here means testify ashhadu alla (an laa that there's no) God but God. God here is not a direct object. This cannot be to witness. I do not say (ashhadu allah)(
"That they may witness the benefits for them, and celebrate the name of Allah, through the Days appointed over the cattle which He has provided for them then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want. (22-2
What do you witness in Hajj?
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Peace Farida,
No I am not confused I was talking of the jewish "gett" style divorce by this free minder who wrote this
I am really surprised and dissapointed. I thought that you were more intelligent and critical minded than to accept such nonsense and then claim that it is due to following the great reading "too rigidly".
...This outline is based on verses of the Quran.
Not.
I am sorry; for you the Muslim world may include just the rich, but there are those who do not own a digital camera.
This has nothing to do with rich or poor. It has to do with the so-called Muslim world relying on a Mullah or a committee or their government to witness for them. They fail to see the universal spirit of 2185. It has to do with ignorance versus enlightment. Indeed, the night of the measure is better than a thousand full-moons.
Yes the state of 1 billion so-called Muslims is pathetic and there's no chance that it will improve in the near future. '(
You can help them by translating the word "muslim" and show them that it is not a meaningless title that they were born with instead of contributing to the problem by propagating this myth.
Peace,
Ayman
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And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of feeling will be enquired into. (17-36)
Not only the seeing, but the hearing and the reasoning of humans are equal in front of God.(
...." And they say "We hear and we obey; (We seek) Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)Even here we can witness that the Seeing is not as important as the Hearing !