It seems that true believers are a tiny minority!
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Peace Armanaziz excellent analogy except
"Does not help" I fear is an incorrect conclusion. IMHO, blaming the house
would just be plain wrong.Another example would be
Man dresses up in full Arabian attire turban and all, goes into the Masjid curses children,
performs a lewd act then performs salat, is he mutaqqin or have the onlookers been
fooled into thinking he represents religion? In this case is religion wrong or is the fool
I described devoid of religion? In this very forum we have discussed what should we
call ourselves because the "nuts" have now given Muslims a bad name, should we reject
the word Muslim also?God bless
peace
Yeah, I think we should not reject the word Muslim just because others use it who do not follow what we follow.
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Yeah, I think we should not reject the word Muslim just because others use it who do not follow what we follow.
Agreed,
In my opinion we should not reject the word religion for the same reason, what do you think?
What has been lacking recently by some of us forum members is a contextual understanding
of the Quran, would you or any other member be able to undertake such an endeavor? prGod bless you
peace
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Agreed,
In my opinion we should not reject the word religion for the same reason, what do you think?
What has been lacking recently by some of us forum members is a contextual understanding
of the Quran, would you or any other member be able to undertake such an endeavor? prGod bless you
peace
What would it require of me?
Yes, I agree, I use the word religion, and I'm pretty annoyed with people stopping me every two seconds with their problems getting over simple word usage like "worship" "religion" in some cases "God" and "Muslim" among other things. Just let a person speak, and generally a person can be understood as what they intend with what they are saying (but actually I've seen I'm hugely misunderstood repeatedly no matter how clear I try to make what I'm saying).
This only increases a feeling of misanthropy, another term often shunned and rejected, but all this contention making sentences stifled with constant stops and corrections really leads to a further hatred of humanity! Like just shut up and let a person talk! Islam islam Muslim muslim religion service duty who cares! Just let a person speak! For goodness sake!
Atheists are like this too, they can't get over their obsession with the word "God" and think it can only mean whatever they specifically imagine it to mean and can't be used in any other way to refer to anything else but whatever is in their own absurd imagination. So with them I have to work around their obsessions with certain words, but it seems far more annoying here where a person can barely say Islam or Muslim or Religion or Worship without people going wild about these words just because they find whatever they particularly imagine in relation to them to be distasteful, it is no different than the Atheists.
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Hello Samira,
By the way if someone rejects the Quran as a religious scripture, would that person still be considered a Muslim? Because you said it is God who has set a moral compass in our being, so following that compass makes one a Muslim. Now if that moral compass rejects the scripture because of issues with it, would he/she still be considered Muslim? And that moral compass is perfectly functioning by the way, it is not broken or the person did not "wait" for a sufficient time to see the "good fruits" of those rejected teachings. So what do you have to say on this?
First let's clarify some definitions
Muslim (with a capital M) = proper name of a man made religion.
"muslim" (with a small m) = common noun referring to a universal concept (peacemaking) found in all cultures."muslim" is a common noun meaning "peacemaker" as used in al-quran.
Peacemaking/"islam" (small i) is not a religion and one doesn't even have to be a believer to be a peacemaker as clear from 4914
- The dwellers of the wilderness said "we believed". Say "You didn't believe but say we made peace (aslamna) but faith has not entered your hearts and if you obey the God and his messenger, he will not diminish any of your deeds, indeed the God is forgiving, merciful".
Thus, the opposite of peacemaker/"muslim" is not disbeliever. The opposite of a peacemaker is a criminal
- Shall we make peacemakers (al-muslimeen) like criminals?
Everyone naturally knows that corruption and bloodshed is the opposite of peacemaking. Common nouns such as "peace" and "peacemaking" are universal concepts that appear in all cultures, even those that didn't have any contact with one another.
Now coming to your question
"If someone rejects the Quran as a religious scripture, would that person still be considered a "Muslim" (with a capital M)?"
NO, because in order to be a Muslim (with a capital M), you have to accept Quran as a religious scripture + other man made fabrications.
Perhaps you meant to ask the following?
If someone rejects the Quran as a religious scripture, would that person still be considered a "muslim" (with a small m)?
In that case, as per 4914, the answer will be an emphatic YES, no matter what culture, religion, or group he/she belongs to, as long as that person is not a criminal.
"muslim"/"peacemaker" is a descriptive common noun just like "smart", "beautiful", "strong" etc., and anyone who fulfils that description and makes peace will be a "muslim".
Your question would be analogous to the following questions
Can a person be considered "smart" if that person does not go to Harvard (or rejects Harvard)? Of course YES, if that person is not stupid.
Can a person be considered "strong" if that person does not learn Brazilian jiu-jitsu (or rejects Brazilian jiu-jitsu)? Of course YES, if that person is not physically weak.
For some background reading
http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf
May the infinite Creator bless you.
Peace
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Hello Samira,
First let's clarify some definitions
Muslim (with a capital M) = proper name of a man made religion.
"muslim" (with a small m) = common noun referring to a universal concept (peacemaking) found in all cultures."muslim" is a common noun meaning "peacemaker" as used in al-quran.
Peacemaking/"islam" (small i) is not a religion and one doesn't even have to be a believer to be a peacemaker as clear from 4914
- The dwellers of the wilderness said "we believed". Say "You didn't believe but say we made peace (aslamna) but faith has not entered your hearts and if you obey the God and his messenger, he will not diminish any of your deeds, indeed the God is forgiving, merciful".
Thus, the opposite of peacemaker/"muslim" is not disbeliever. The opposite of a peacemaker is a criminal
- Shall we make peacemakers (al-muslimeen) like criminals?
Everyone naturally knows that corruption and bloodshed is the opposite of peacemaking. Common nouns such as "peace" and "peacemaking" are universal concepts that appear in all cultures, even those that didn't have any contact with one another.
Now coming to your question
"If someone rejects the Quran as a religious scripture, would that person still be considered a "Muslim" (with a capital M)?"
NO, because in order to be a Muslim (with a capital M), you have to accept Quran as a religious scripture + other man made fabrications.
Perhaps you meant to ask the following?
If someone rejects the Quran as a religious scripture, would that person still be considered a "muslim" (with a small m)?
In that case, as per 4914, the answer will be an emphatic YES, no matter what culture, religion, or group he/she belongs to, as long as that person is not a criminal.
"muslim"/"peacemaker" is a descriptive common noun just like "smart", "beautiful", "strong" etc., and anyone who fulfils that description and makes peace will be a "muslim".
Your question would be analogous to the following questions
Can a person be considered "smart" if that person does not go to Harvard (or rejects Harvard)? Of course YES, if that person is not stupid.
Can a person be considered "strong" if that person does not learn Brazilian jiu-jitsu (or rejects Brazilian jiu-jitsu)? Of course YES, if that person is not physically weak.
For some background reading
http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf
May the infinite Creator bless you.
Peace
bravo awesome!
I would accept "submissive" as another expression defining the concept "muslim" but in correct sense a person submissive to Allah = a person upholding his God gifted sense of right and wrong = a peacemaker. I simply prefer the term "submissive" over "peacemaker" because "peacemaker" may give the incorrect impression that a muslim should never fight or take the "wrong" path for the sake of making peace. A muslim / submissive / peacemaker (in the broadest sense) should make peace and engage in fight against the wrongdoers if fighting is the only indispensable way of making peace.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
- I believe I am a better and more knowing believer than anyone on this website (all credit to Allah).
Salam FreedomStands.
You seem to carry the misunderstanding that "knowing God correctly" is the benchmark for being a faithful (mu'min). But perhaps, it is not knowing - rather than accepting our relationship with God which is the real benchmark for being a faithful (mu'min). And true acceptance of relationship with God spares us from egotism and pride.
In Qur'an knowledge and wisdom has been compared with "riches". Being the richest person doesn't mean much if the wealth is not used for good purpose and show-off of the wealth becomes more important than use of the wealth. Similarly, knowledge and wisdom doesn't mean much if the knowledge is not used for good purpose and show-off of the knowledge becomes more important than use of the knowledge.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Salam FreedomStands.
You seem to carry the misunderstanding that "knowing God correctly" is the benchmark for being a faithful (mu'min). But perhaps, it is not knowing - rather than accepting our relationship with God which is the real benchmark for being a faithful (mu'min). And true acceptance of relationship with God spares us from egotism and pride.
In Qur'an knowledge and wisdom has been compared with "riches". Being the richest person doesn't mean much if the wealth is not used for good purpose and show-off of the wealth becomes more important than use of the wealth. Similarly, knowledge and wisdom doesn't mean much if the knowledge is not used for good purpose and show-off of the knowledge becomes more important than use of the knowledge.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanThat is a good idea but ignorance has apparently become an excuse for flirting with ideas of shirk, which is what I was speaking out against.
If you "aren't sure if God is a crocodile" then you don't know what God is and are basically flirting with all manner of wrong ideas.
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Well in that case, let me make the following statements
I believe I'm a true believer.
I believe I'm true or right and most everybody else is false most of the time.
I believe I'm above others, spiritually, I'm a big bad giant.
Or if you prefer, spiritually obese in the extreme. a
Most of you look like ants from up here, non-muslim fire ants. Strong, Stubborn, with a nasty bite,Allah does not like self boasting ones. You really need to verify your claim from the Quran. And I am eager to know supporting verses to your each of the disgusting claims.!
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Wisdom is the ability to use the knowledge well. This is why knowledge is often written in conjunction with wisdom.
Knowledge on its own does not necessarily need to avail a man.
Salaam
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Allah does not like self boasting ones. You really need to verify your claim from the Quran. And I am eager to know supporting verses to your each of the disgusting claims.!
Here is one for my "disgusting claims" regarding what you might consider my "disgusting" God (by the way I don't mind your tone, it makes this all the more fun!)
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...Say "All is from God."...That covers everything really.
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Allah does not like self boasting ones. You really need to verify your claim from the Quran. And I am eager to know supporting verses to your each of the disgusting claims.!
In this case, my saying I actually believe is a matter of necessary confidence in Allah.
It falls under "being proud against the disbelievers"
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O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith," God will in time bring forth people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers, proud towards all who deny the truth who strive hard in God's cause, and do not fear to be censured by anyone who might censure them such is God's favour, which He grants unto whom He wills. And God is infinite, all-knowing.I was basically just trying to make a point though, that the people who "don't know" what they are worshiping are often flirting with shirk, and that people who are believers and true believers should be confident and not having flimsy beliefs
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only those ask thee for exemption who do not believe in God and the Last Day and whose hearts have become a prey to doubt, so that in their doubting they waver between one thing and another.4735
And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.2147
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In this case, my saying I actually believe is a matter of necessary confidence in Allah.
It falls under "being proud against the disbelievers"
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O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith," God will in time bring forth people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers, proud towards all who deny the truth who strive hard in God's cause, and do not fear to be censured by anyone who might censure them such is God's favour, which He grants unto whom He wills. And God is infinite, all-knowing.I was basically just trying to make a point though, that the people who "don't know" what they are worshiping are often flirting with shirk, and that people who are believers and true believers should be confident and not having flimsy beliefs
You have taken 5.54 in the wrong sense for it almost contravenes the rest of the ayats of Quran. Allah alone knows the purity of His bondsmen; based on His assessment and pleasure He purifies 4.49 whom He will. And He raises some above the others in degree; this fits not only to the ordinary men, but also to the prophets 2.253 - we are not to enter His domain and differentiate among them and among men; but how you behave belittling others with pride is surely deplorable; while Ibrahim and Ismail were prophets themselves, they seek from Allah to make them both of Muslims and they were not boastful nor were they proud before a people who are yet to become believers for each one has his period and allowance from Allah before his death. None of the prophets behaved like you, for they feared Allah and surrendered to Him; even when Allah sent Musa to the worst ever shaitan of men, despite their continuing defiance and arrogance10.75 Allah said to Musa and Harun, "Speak with Fir'aun admissible words perchance he might turn 20.44." Allah is the Master of Judgment! Not men; and the judgment is passed only at the time of death and not before their death.
FreedomSrands you said I was basically just trying to make a point though.
Do not you see basically you are against the scripture, against the prophets, against the Master of judgment, against the admonition of Allah - with outright defiance to Quran and Allah? Will you not then be humble before Allah while following Quran?
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Here is one for my "disgusting claims" regarding what you might consider my "disgusting" God (by the way I don't mind your tone, it makes this all the more fun!)
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...Say "All is from God."...That covers everything really.
Whatever evil you earn is only from yourselves and not from Allah 4.79
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You have taken 5.54 in the wrong sense for it almost contravenes the rest of the ayats of Quran. Allah alone knows the purity of His bondsmen; based on His assessment and pleasure He purifies 4.49 whom He will. And He raises some above the others in degree; this fits not only to the ordinary men, but also to the prophets 2.253 - we are not to enter His domain and differentiate among them and among men; but how you behave belittling others with pride is surely deplorable; while Ibrahim and Ismail were prophets themselves, they seek from Allah to make them both of Muslims and they were not boastful nor were they proud before a people who are yet to become believers for each one has his period and allowance from Allah before his death. None of the prophets behaved like you, for they feared Allah and surrendered to Him; even when Allah sent Musa to the worst ever shaitan of men, despite their continuing defiance and arrogance10.75 Allah said to Musa and Harun, "Speak with Fir'aun admissible words perchance he might turn 20.44." Allah is the Master of Judgment! Not men; and the judgment is passed only at the time of death and not before their death.
FreedomSrands you said I was basically just trying to make a point though.
Do not you see basically you are against the scripture, against the prophets, against the Master of judgment, against the admonition of Allah - with outright defiance to Quran and Allah? Will you not then be humble before Allah while following Quran?
No actually, I think you have a particularly poor understanding yourself.
You must judge to determine who is right and who is wrong, and God decides in the end of course, but you must judge. You can not be a shirki hypocrite or be in the company of devils because you refuse to judge.
Are you kidding me about Ibrahim not judging? Ibrahim took the idols people adored and smashed them and mocked the people by saying "go ahead and ask that idol who did it" come on man. You're just trying to get on my case but you're really the one who seems to be mistaken.
Ibrahim insulted those people, took their property and smashed it even, stuff that was truly precious to them. Ibrahim was humble before God, not before the disbelievers or their stupid ideas, and we MUST distinguish and judge and sort between who is wrong and who is right.
You really think you've made some good point here?
Musa grabbed his brother by the beard and told the evil doers to kill themselves.
Musa went in defiance of Pharoah and made a mockery of his system and his laws and his government and created disturbances for those people.
How is it you've forgotten all these examples?
These people were public nuisances, they disturbed the peace, and people hated them for it, and they were defiant against the disbelievers, proud against them, they didn't humbly beg and fumble before them.
Similarly, they proclaimed themselves True Believers, repeatedly, Musa said "I am the foremost of those who believe" and others said this too. They didn't "waver" and say "hmm maybe Allah is a stork that flies in the sky, I don't know" "hmm maybe these disbelievers are right". NO! They were firm in their beliefs, and they did not submit to the disbelievers or the hypocrites, and they gave clear examples and they were putting people to shame with their examples, even pointing out how those people are ignorant, and they KNEW in what they believed, they were not doubters.
So what I was saying is you must know what you believe, be firm in it, and proud of it, and you can proclaim yourself a true believer, as I do, and as the Prophets did, as I do not doubt what I know to be true, and I can clearly even explain, and I am not a wavering coward who doubts, but I distinguish the shirk followers from the true believers, and YOU MUST DISTINGUISH, you do not sit there like a weakling and flirt with shirk ideologies "well maybe the one who says Allah is a man is right". If you are such, you're a "luke-warm" doubting person and not really a believer at all, and to believe is to Know in this case, to be firm about what is clearly evident.
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Whatever evil you earn is only from yourselves and not from Allah 4.79
Now explain the two ayats 4.78 and 4.79 without these two contradicting each other.Very simple. The only way it contradicts is if you take the meaning to be "evil from yourselves" which contradicts the verse just prior saying "All is from Allah".
If you read it properly though, it says "All is from Allah" then follows right after it saying "The good from Allah, the evil from yourselves" Repeat "All is from Allah". It is saying "All is from Allah, the Good from Allah, the Evil from yourselves, All is from Allah" and if you read the literal word for word translation, that is absolutely what it says and they have put the (is) in brackets.
The Qur'an repeats this again too
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No evil happens in the earth or in yourselves but it is in a Book before we bring it into being - Lo! that is easy for Allah -Allah does it all. That verse that said "All is from Allah" even specified how people say "this evil is from you (people)" and is saying how that is wrong, and then in the next verse is saying "All is from Allah, the good from Allah and the evil from yourselves, All is from Allah"
Then this verse above even says "the evil in yourselves" Allah decreed it and brings it into being.
So are you a shirki? Do you think humans create anything at all? Do they share in that power? Do they have power to do anything of their own? You call my beliefs deplorable? My belief is that Allah is the sole creator, the creator of everything, absolutely everything, that there is NO OTHER GOD, NO OTHER CREATOR, NO OTHER POWER, and to believe otherwise IS SHIRK, meaning "sharing" particularly "sharing power" and saying that others have power to bring about things in themselves or outside of themselves, THEY DON'T.
Luckily the Qur'an is on my side, so either you believe as I do, or you are following your own fake false hopes (Religion of Shaitan?) and Shaitan wants you to do SHIRK so that you go to hell.
I'm the one who is your friend and helping you, trying to show you the right way, but you turn it into an argument and defy the message?
You want to make partners with Allah? You want to say others have power over their fate? You want to say they have power? You're doing shirk, stop it!
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No actually, I think you have a particularly poor understanding yourself.
You must judge to determine who is right and who is wrong, and God decides in the end of course, but you must judge. You can not be a shirki hypocrite or be in the company of devils because you refuse to judge.
You shall only forgive them if you find them to be sinners 5.27 if only you become humble before God for fear that your judgment may be wrong and that Allah is the best of judges; and God may forgive them or may punish them; May the believers put their trust in God and guard them from their own sins and arrogance and their obscenity - and they will forgive when they become angry 42.37. If you are believers observe utmost patience, forbearance and endurance and strengthen yourself in all of these; so that you will be victorious 3.200 from your own shortcomings. And fear Allah. Unfortunately I find you are ferocious as if smitten by the evil forces. What is your response to this just observation about you.
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Are you kidding me about Ibrahim not judging? Ibrahim took the idols people adored and smashed them and mocked the people by saying "go ahead and ask that idol who did it" come on man. You're just trying to get on my case but you're really the one who seems to be mistaken.
Though you are a kid I must respect you; I do teach you certain things you miss out on reading the verses. The people of Ibrahim adored the deities and there was one big idol which they considered as superior of all the smaller Gods. Ibrahim was not angry but wanted their better sense prevail so that they might turn to The One God, Allah. Ibrahim planned and broke all the smaller deities to make them ask their superior deity to answer them as to who broke the smaller deities. You have no standing to support your case; you need to answer this Did Ibrahim broke the idols out of anger or he did so to make their better sense prevail?
Ibrahim insulted those people, took their property and smashed it even, stuff that was truly precious to them. Ibrahim was humble before God, not before the disbelievers or their stupid ideas, and we MUST distinguish and judge and sort between who is wrong and who is right.
Ibrahim did not insult them as you see it; because mockery is prohibited for the believers. Learn today this; you go through Quran and show me Allah allows you to mock the ignorant; you have to give them salam to preserve your own salam. All you can finally say is To you yours; and to me mine.
You really think you've made some good point here?
It is up to you to find out for yourself if by now you have gathered up saneness.
Musa grabbed his brother by the beard and told the evil doers to kill themselves.
There were many many instances where the Israelites defied Allah after Signs after Signs were shown to them to believe in Allah while they were delivered out of their death; but this time he foresees their future by the will of Allah and distances the evil doers away from him and his brother, telling them they are not to be pardoned by Allah thereafter.
Musa went in defiance of Pharoah and made a mockery of his system and his laws and his government and created disturbances for those people.
There was no mockery we can see in such verses of Quran but decency and powerful argument with wisdom against Firaun's brainstorming.
How is it you've forgotten all these examples?
Have I? Or you have indeed?
These people were public nuisances, they disturbed the peace, and people hated them for it, and they were defiant against the disbelievers, proud against them, they didn't humbly beg and fumble before them.
Will you say your action plan against the infidels and disbelievers and Jews and Christians if you are truthful and Allah is on your side? I know your retreat.
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You shall only forgive them if you find them to be sinners 5.27 if only you become humble before God for fear that your judgment may be wrong and that Allah is the best of judges; and God may forgive them or may punish them; May the believers put their trust in God and guard them from their own sins and arrogance and their obscenity - and they will forgive when they become angry 42.37. If you are believers observe utmost patience, forbearance and endurance and strengthen yourself in all of these; so that you will be victorious 3.200 from your own shortcomings. And fear Allah. Unfortunately I find you are ferocious as if smitten by the evil forces. What is your response to this just observation about you.
When it comes to shirk, you mustn't "fear that your judgment is wrong" unless you are truly in doubt and weak in understanding. I CAN NOT BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I WILL NEVER WORSHIP A MAN-GOD UNLESS I HAVE TO. This isn't a matter of doubt, its an absolute rejection of shirki ideas, you can not be a doubter and a true muslim. Each and every prophet was ferocious when it came down to their hatred of evildoers and shirk. I am not saying I'm a prophet, but I am trying to help you realize that being a lukewarm coward is not what the Qur'an teaches. You must be a zealous in the truth, and a bold fighter for good. What do you think? Was Muhammed not the leader of the armies? He hated war but he fought for the right. Ibrahim ferociously struck down the idols. Musa ferociously came down the mountain enraged at the shirk and hypocrisy, each of the Prophets sent forth curses upon the people and each lost their patience in the face of shirk which they found abhorrent.
The curse of Allah, the angels, and the prophets, and mankind. It says it repeatedly in the Qur'an
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Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.What religion are you? Some kind of new age hippy thing?
God is the Lord of Ferocity, and his Zealots like me are ferocious and wild eyed as you've noticed. We stalk the plains like lions hunting for prey to eat and turn into fecal matter.
God is the God of HELL who throws them into the ferocious fire. Who do you think you're dealing with?
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They (Hypocrites) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.I tell you, there is no greater thrill and empowerment than to be a ferocious devotee of God.
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Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.497
Know that God?s messenger is among you. If he obeyed you in too much of such business, you would fall into discord; but God has so endeared faith for you that it seems attractive within your hearts, and made you hate disbelief, immorality and rebelliousness. Such persons are sensible666
O you who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire of which (ordinary) human beings and stone (- hearted people) are fuel and over which angels are appointed, fierce and ferocious, who never disobey the command of Allah and who do as they are told.8512
Your Lord?s Assault is very fierce indeed.3361
They are ones who are cursed. Whenever they were come upon, they were taken and were killed with a terrible slaying.7449
WHAT, THEN, is amiss with them that they turn away from all admonition
as though they were terrified asses
fleeing from a lion?
Nay! Every man among them wants to be given unrolled scrolls.4829
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are fierce to the kafirun, merciful to one another. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking Allah?s good favour and His pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the traces of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah. And their likeness in the Injil is that of a seed which puts up a shoot and makes it strong so that it thickens and grows up straight upon its stalk, filling the sowers with delight ? so that by them He may infuriate the kuffar. Allah has promised those of them who have iman and do right actions forgiveness and an immense reward.
There is no greater honor than to be the lion warrior of Allah, the wild eyed devotee of the destroyer of idolatry, who is proud in the truth and humble towards the believers, not humble towards the kaffirs or shirki or disbelievers, but fierce and ferocious towards them, to be like the angels of Allah, those terrifying agents of slaughter and slavery to Allah.
Of course, I am not advocating killing or anything, I'm just saying, don't say that it is right to be shaky in your beliefs.
All the prophets became impatient with the people, many pronounced curses, some went to battle, they were FIRM
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The (true) believers are those only who believe in Allah and His messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere.If you are all feeling doubt, it is because you have weak beliefs, and what I've been trying to post about is to demonstrate those weak beliefs, many of the people have weak beliefs so they can't comprehend how Allah alone is the source of everything because they fear if they believe that then their whole world will shatter. They adore their various forms of shirk more than the humbleness it takes to truly realize that Allah is the Sole Power the Supreme Ultimate of which there is no other power and no one shares in any power.
Each and every one who quivers before the lion of admonition seems to be one who harbors shirk and has a weak religion and is in doubt! I wrote lots of nice things to make people realize we are not a religion of "blind faith" but a religion of "sure knowledge" and we believe what we KNOW and WE KNOW IT by thinking clearly to realize it is the only way.
Those shirki people who think Allah is not completely untamed and free, who think Allah is bound and fettered and conditioned and restrained, are sorely mistaken. Only a wild eyed devotee like myself in all my ferociousness can understand that Allah is the only power, Allah is the sole dispenser of good and bad, Allah can not be defeated, Allah can not be tamed or quelled or stopped, and Allah is the only one to surrender to and humility and humbleness is knowing that ALLAH IS THE POWER, not bowing to idolatry or being soft of shirk lovers or their shirk.
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Very simple. The only way it contradicts is if you take the meaning to be "evil from yourselves" which contradicts the verse just prior saying "All is from Allah".
If you read it properly though, it says "All is from Allah" then follows right after it saying "The good from Allah, the evil from yourselves" Repeat "All is from Allah". It is saying "All is from Allah, the Good from Allah, the Evil from yourselves, All is from Allah" and if you read the literal word for word translation, that is absolutely what it says and they have put the (is) in brackets.
All is from Allah is equal to Good from Allah and evil from yourselves? Please explain how do you take it differently or similarly?
The Qur'an repeats this again too
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No evil happens in the earth or in yourselves but it is in a Book before we bring it into being - Lo! that is easy for Allah -Allah has ordained upon man to behave to His pleasure from the time He created man on the earth; and gives His admonition that man will be rewarded good for good; and punished for evil; and that his actions are well recorded in the book clear. So all from Allah's ordainment based on what he or she does for or against His admonition. So the evil and good are established in the heavens and the earth from which you earn from your own deeds of good and bad. Allah does not cause evil to you ; but you earn.
Then this verse above even says "the evil in yourselves" Allah decreed it and brings it into being.So are you a shirki? Do you think humans create anything at all? Do they share in that power? Do they have power to do anything of their own?
Allah does not cause it by birth upon any individual if you read and understand my above explanation. Am I associating myself in conjecturing any meaning on my own fancy as you do? Why do not you give some mind to the verses before speaking on your suppositions? Very deplorable your takes are; I am not to comment on your beliefs; I leave that to you for your own retrospection.
Luckily the Qur'an is on my side, so either you believe as I do, or you are following your own fake false hopes (Religion of Shaitan?) and Shaitan wants you to do SHIRK so that you go to hell.
Luckily Quran is with you to re read it and correct your takes; but definitely Quran is not on your side, if you inspect it again with you as the main villain in it.
I'm the one who is your friend and helping you, trying to show you the right way, but you turn it into an argument and defy the message?
This is what I call FreedomStand's idea of grandeur.
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All is from Allah is equal to Good from Allah and evil from yourselves? Please explain how do you take it differently or similarly?
Allah has ordained upon man to behave to His pleasure from the time He created man on the earth; and gives His admonition that man will be rewarded good for good; and punished for evil; and that his actions are well recorded in the book clear. So all from Allah's ordainment based on what he or she does for or against His admonition. So the evil and good are established in the heavens and the earth from which you earn from your own deeds of good and bad. Allah does not cause evil to you ; but you earn.
http//islamawakened.com/quran/4/79/ look at the literal translation, they are the ones putting in the confusing brackets, it just said All is from God and is contradicting what the people tend to say "Good is from Allah, evil is from yourselves" and then continues with the "All is from God" by saying "what good from Allah, what evil from yourselves (All is from God)" there is not any contradiction there.
Allah does not cause it by birth upon any individual if you read and understand my above explanation. Am I associating myself in conjecturing any meaning on my own fancy as you do? Why do not you give some mind to the verses before speaking on your suppositions? Very deplorable your takes are; I am not to comment on your beliefs; I leave that to you for your own retrospection.
Luckily Quran is with you to re read it and correct your takes; but definitely Quran is not on your side, if you inspect it again with you as the main villain in it.
This is what I call FreedomStand's idea of grandeur.
I don't like when you repeatedly ask me things when I've already explained it to you.
All is from Allah, the good from Allah is from Allah, and the evil from yourselves is from Allah, it didn't contradict itself, it first called into question people who say "The good is from Allah, the evil is from yourselves" then said to say "All is from Allah" then went on to repeat "The good from Allah, the evil from yourself" meaning "The good from Allah (that you speak of) is from Allah, the evil from yourselves (that was just mentioned) is from Allah" that is what ALL IS FROM ALLAH MEANS its CLEAR AS DAY, any other interpretation CLEARLY CONTRADICTS THE STATEMENT ALL IS FROM ALLAH. THEN the Qur'an ALSO SAYS "any evil that comes upon the world or in yourselves" is decreed and brought into existence by Allah. It confirms this in two ways, so don't keep asking me the same questions repeatedly it really irritates me.
Allah clearly said "All is from Allah" then repeated "any evil that befalls the earth or in yourselves" is also from Allah. If you think there is SOME OTHER SOURCE OR SOME OTHER CREATOR OF THINGS OR SOME OTHER DISPENSER OF THINGS OR SOME OTHER POWER (even you) THEN YOU ARE DOING WHAT IS CALLED "SHIRK" which is "sharing" power with Allah, and you will be informed if you were in the right or not. For me, I say that Allah is the SOLE POWER, and I avoid SHIRK thereby.
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Thy Lord does create and choose as He pleases no choice have they Glory to God! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!See? I'm not a shirky, so guard yourself from Allah.
The Qur'an is not on my side? The Qur'an does not say that Allah is the sole power? The Qur'an wants me to do shirk? I think you're sorely mistaken. I'm not the "deplorable" one, the Shirki people are the ones who stand against the Qur'an.
I am not saying "from birth", I am saying whatever at all occurs, Allah is the only power, the only creator, the only chooser, you do not have a share (shirk) in the POWER, you do not CHOOSE anything, you can't even choose to be a good person unless Allah chooses.
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But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.8129
But you cannot will it unless God, the Lord of the Universe, so wills it.So how is it my ideas of "grandeur" to say that I share no power with Allah? It is you who has the grand fantasy that you share some power with Allah and you choose and you decide and you have the power to save yourself, you don't, you're nothing, you're complete trash just like me, we're made of the same stuff. So am I really the one who isn't humble or is the one who says he shares power with God the truly arrogant fool? Humility is knowing where your impression of power comes to an end, and that is Allah, the SOLE POWER. I DO NOT DO SHIRK. ANYONE WHO SAYS ALLAH SHARES POWER IS A SHIRKI, I STAND FIERCELY OPPOSED TO SHIRK AND A FEROCIOUS DEVOTEE OF ALLAH WITH WILD EYES, NOW WILL YOU CONTINUE TO DEFY WHAT I HAVE LAID OUT CLEARLY? Don't keep asking me over and over again the same questions, I've explained it all
- I say Allah is the ONLY POWER.
- If you say Allah is NOT the ONLY POWER and that YOU HAVE SOME POWER TOO TO CHOOSE WHAT ALLAH DOES WITH YOU, you are MISTAKEN, and COMMITTING SHIRK, and the Qur'an says you will be thrown in hell for your shirk (though I say that of course Allah will decide the matter).
Do you think I'm LESS SAFE for saying that ALLAH IS THE ONLY POWER AND ALL IS FROM GOD WHEN IT SAYS SO DIRECTLY? Allah can throw me in hell too of course, even if I do much good, but do you think Allah will be angry at people saying Allah has all the power or at someone saying Allah shares the power with you and others and that they choose and people can force Allah to do things for them? Allah can throw us both into hell, but I'm the one who says Allah has all the free power and doesn't share it.