Showing animosity and hatred
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Quran Sura 604 cites Abraham as a good example of how believers should respond to those who oppose God and his messenger, even if it's parents, children, siblings, tribe.
" you will see nothing from us except animosity and hatred"Sura 557? Tells believers not to befriend disbelievers
582 .... the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say "we are Christian". This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.
Are these verses for a specific community at the time of Prophet a Muhammed? Are they applicable to believers now? Why is showing animosity and hatred towards others who oppose God and the messenger a good example for believers? Is smashing the religious icons of others an acceptable action now?
God says in Quran 4134 that we should resort to the nicest possible response. Thus the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
Priests and monks - aren't they among the religious scholars who misled their followers and misinterpreted the scriptures, deciding on the concept of the Trinity, Jesus is divine etc?
Should we show hatred and animosity towards idol worshippers and others who oppose God
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60.4 is wrongly quoted. That is a long aya and it is in context oa sura which starts adresing the believers and warning them against taking their enemies, who have rejected the truth and have driven the rophet and the believers out of their homes. Grom the whole fo the sura it is clear that the situation it depicts is one of open enmity and war where and in order to enlighten believers as to their emotional stance the example of Ibrahim is brought up, and it is a quote from Ibrahim when he broke up with his peole saying
"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone" But not when Abraham said to his father "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed) "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance to Thee is (our) Final Goal.
There is no command to hat3e or be hostile, but the statement of fact that those have already arisen between ibrahim's piople and their clan. So much so that finally Ibrahim as subsequently seen, had to leave.
It is better to read the whole sura and not taake things in isolation, and above all quote properly, not something that is not there.
In that sura we are adviced not to indulge in wishful thinking as to what is possible or expectable in situations where we have clear enemies who will not tolerate our existence or our freedom of belief.
Concerning those who respect pour existence and freedom of believe, the Qur'an is very clear that believers cannot be agressors and that must always observe the best manners and behaviour.
Salaam
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Salaam Huruf
Thanks for your comments. I did read the whole Sura and do realize it was in the context of war. Also I never said it was a command. A good example is being given not a command. The quote is in speech marks and is the translation by Rashed Khalifa.
Just to clarify your comment, so what you are saying is that this is a specific example applicable only to that specific situation of warfare and that the emotional stance the believers were being given an example of to help them in that specific situation was to feel "Enmity and hatred forever" towards their enemy? Or do you mean that the example of Ibrahim is given so that the believers don't take that emotional stance?
Later Prophet Muhammed forgave those same enemies, not sure about Ibrahim though - maybe his enmity and hatred towards his enemies did last forever. I was not indulging in any wishful thinking, but simply asking what does God mean by giving us this good example of Ibrahim? What can we take from this that is applicable to believers now in situations of warfare, or when being attacked and thrown out of homes by parents and family. -
There are no disbelievers. If kafar, usually disbelieve, is used then it actually refers to something or someone that produces something. Depending on context it is positive or negative. Commonly it refers to fabrication.
A "believer" traditionally, actually refers to a person of affinity, which means that they have the affinity (of God). Amen b'Allah suggests that a person shares affinity with God. Amen (iman) literally means "Be Thereof Entity" which speaks very clearly why the word has traditionally often been used to finish prayers since it indicates that the person intends to realize (be of that affinity) what they just prayed, through the the spirit of God = B'sm Allah.
The opposite is to not have any affinity and then you simply do not care about morals but follow your own ego.
A person of affinity with God must behave thereafter. They are good also towards their enemies. Those who do bad will bring their own doom upon themselves so no real need to worry about them. They will not be able to enter the narrow gate of the realm.
Salaam
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I guess I do not explained clearly enough
It is Ibrahim the one who says somwething about enmity or aversion or hatred and he does nto advice to feel it, he merely states that that is something that has ariesen between the two parties. Does not say it is bad, does not say it is good. It is a statement. So the situation has come to that in that occasion where we are told about Ibrhim and his speech.
And that old occasion is brought to memory in the situation of the Prophet and the believers in which they found themselves at the time.So when I spoke about wishful thinking, I was not meaning you lena, not at all, but I was saying that what the whole things is about warning the believers not to indulge in wishful thinking that the situation is not as bad as it is. It is bad, there is hatred and enmity, and one has to face that whenever it occurs. It is useless to hid behind pious expressions which do not reflect the facts of the situation.
Love for a father is deep and one feels bound by it. But a father, as in the case of Ibrahim, may also become an enemy and act against you. No use turning your head in order not to see it and behave accordingly. That is how things are. When things get better, then there may possibilities of amicable settlement of disputes. But when there is no possibility of such, indulging in softness and trying to sugarcoat things does not help.
We people in general, are afraid of hopeless situations, of personal or collective catastrophes, like war, like famine, etc. but when they hit it is suicidal not to face them for what they are. We condemn ourselves and condemn those who depend on us.
Enmity, hatred is a fact of life, we have to accept that and face it when it occurs. We have a responsaiblity to fight against wrongs and abuses and oppression, therefore in those situations softness may have very good press but it is not wht is required, neither for ourselves nor against the agressor.
Hope this time I made it clearer.
Salaam
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Did you read those posts I made about hatred?
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I did, a few. There is just so much hatred that I can absorb in any interval.
Also mind that the choice of the word hate does not mean that there is an exact equivalence. I can think in Spanish quite a number of words which would be a translation of that word. In English also there are several and not necessarily they would convey the same amount of "hate". Picking words in translation, like for instance when Tw3 is automatically translated as obey no matter what, instead of choosing the most appropriate, is also cheating big way.
I am warY of the word, lately it has become very cheap.
Hated is handied right and left as if it was easy and straightforward, it is not. To have aversion, detest, disgust, dislike, nd many more things, are human. Hate... no, it is not that easy, and it is not t all necessary. It is a subversion of values which derails the person who falls prey to it.
Salaam
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I did, a few. There is just so much hatred that I can absorb in any interval.
Also mind that the choice of the word hate does not mean that there is an exact equivalence. I can think in Spanish quite a number of words which would be a translation of that word. In English also there are several and not necessarily they would convey the same amount of "hate". Picking words in translation, like for instance when Tw3 is automatically translated as obey no matter what, instead of choosing the most appropriate, is also cheating big way.
I am warY of the word, lately it has become very cheap.
Hated is handied right and left as if it was easy and straightforward, it is not. To have aversion, detest, disgust, dislike, nd many more things, are human. Hate... no, it is not that easy, and it is not t all necessary. It is a subversion of values which derails the person who falls prey to it.
Salaam
I find hatred, if channeled in certain ways, can be invigorating and energizing and motivating, and then in other ways, can lead to suffering or pain in people.
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Hatred is a worldly habit letting your beast body follow its instincts. If we can minimize that beast from expressing itself the better and that by finding your spiritual self. In all it comes down to stopping your egotistical desires.
You can exhort against evil but you should not fall towards hatred. By indulging too much in worldly reactions it is easy to forget to find that spiritual self.
Doing good to your kin is easy, but doing good to someone you hate is harder. It shows spiritual growth if you can.
Salaam
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It channel nothing. It channels your own undoing. One may feel hate when things are really relly evil and the opprssion unbearable, but one may feel it in spite of oneself, to rejoice in hate is idiotic. It is acknowledging the fact that one lives for somebody else. If you hate somebody you live for that person, you are giving up living for yourself in order to live for others and as a functions of others.
It is better to struggle for love of oneself and love of others than to fight for hate to somebody. Hate is serfdom to a pit without bottom. In fact, it is hell. That is why when people say that hell is unfair and all that, no, hell is one's own fabrication.
I would never, never, never advice anybody I care for to indulge in hate.
As to doing good things for somebody you hate, I don't believe it. If you do something good for somebody, you do not hate that person, it is as simple as that. It is possible to do good to somebody you do not love, but not to somebody you hate. Unless, of course, hate is not hate, which happens a lot when people play with words.
Salaam