Whether God could create a God?
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Peace Man of Faith, everyone,
God could create a God and we who pass the test here will be like mini-gods when we leave this life. When you exist in the image of Allah then you are basically a god.
Agreed. This is how Ra and Yahweh collectives are, like mini gods. But even though they have advanced supernatural abilities, they don't have an ego and spend each and every minute of their million year life in service of the infinite Creator. They call themselves members of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. Gabriel (Jibreel) is part of the Yahweh collective. Millions of years ago they used to be 3rd density beings like us, on another planet, but they have already passed the test of service to others (STO) and are now 6th density "light" beings residing on a 6th density planet, learning the lesson of balancing love and wisdom and working towards entering 7th density existence.
The 7th density entities are even more advanced purer "light" beings who supervise the activities of lower density beings in the service of the infinite Creator. They are preparing for eventual assimilation with the infinite Creator in the 8th density. If they appear in front of you, they will seem like gods. But they are very humble and keep trying to help us in the service of the infinite Creator in any way they can, by channeling divine messages to us from the infinite Creator, appearing in UFO's and physically helping us in time of need, performing "miracles" etc.
The mysterious friend of God who Moses met was one of these entities in human form. Ra helped in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids and also physically met the Atlantians 10,000 years ago and gave them advanced technology. Yahweh helped in channeling Torah to Moses, Injeel to Jesus, and Quran to Muhammad. Ra channeled the same message to Akhenaton about 3500 years ago and then again to a group of humans in 1980's. In the recent Fukushima reactor failure, 6th density entities appeared in UFOs over the reactor and helped contain the radiation damage, otherwise major portion of Asia would have become uninhabitable. When you die, one of the various entities you immediately meet is one of these 6th density beings.
'The Borg' in Star Trek are a good example of how it works.
Exactly! You took the words out of my mouth! The 6th density entities live like a Borg collective, thousands of hem telepathically linked to each other constantly, and they all communicate and act like one!
May the infinite Creator bless us all and help all of us reach the higher densities and eventually merge back with itself.
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Allah create men and jinn who may claim to be gods. This is a test for us. We must use the BRAIN to distinguish between the correct and wrong. Read the stories of Shiva or any greek stories of Gods and goddesses. It will tell you what happens when people have too many gods.
What happens when there are too many Gods?
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. , then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe .2391The question you asked is asked previously by other atheists in this way
If everything is created by God then who created God?
The answer that Allah is infinity which has no beginning and end.He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing.573
Allah - (there is) no God except Him, the Ever-Living the Sustainer of all that exists.32 -
Salaam,
"Physically" does not really exist except as an illusion. It has to do with spiritual affinity and assimilation.
And in Allah you can be perfected. Allah created us to be in its image. It is only pessimistic and ignorant sectarian/Pagan thinking and attribution of ideas which have created this delusion about separation of the Allah consciousness. The only separation which is done is for those who choose to stay aside from that consciousness and it is those who are Pagans in mind and worship a separate image in their ignorance.
Separate attribution of any image, even if it is called Allah, is against the concept and what is expected of those who wish to have eternal life in Allah. The only worship of Allah is to act in its image through behavior and deeds. It is like honoring your father but even more. You do this by speaking well of him and acting according to how he reared you.
This perception is not (traditional) "shirk" at all since you profess only one image/consciousness in existence and you only "join" it to fill its vacuum since the word Allah means "which thereby be", i.e. the person who is spiritually in affinity is with Allah, but yet it is "monotheism" in the "panentheistic" style, if you choose to use the lackluster isms.
Salaam
Salaam,
Bold- I don't understand how we can be perfected?? Only God is perfect. If we can be perfected, that means we can create anything and possibly meaning we are God, All Powerful, etc which is idolatry and can never happen.
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@truthseeker 11 did you get the different density realities from physics classes, the created worlds of cyber space or have you been playing too many video games!! (Just joking!) Mixed together with the belief in reincarnation and We are one with God (part of the God-head?), it reminds me of the new age spirituality trip many people I know go on. There are many different realities, and they are all social constructs, that's true . " And in Allah you can be perfected " could simply mean that when we believe in Allah we can reach our maximum potential. "In Allah" could also mean the perfection of the believers souls when they join Allah in the Hereafter or there are many other interpretations that can be given to that phrase depending on your spiritual philosophy and religious beliefs. What Sura and verse is the phrase from?
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No it is not idolatry, Truthseeker, because you exist in Allah and not separately and idolatry is actually when you make any separation. Treating God separately is idolatry on the other hand.
And not even shirk by traditional measures because you acknowledge Allah as the only existing consciousness, only that you struggle to be part of it. It is you who should convince yourself to exist separately.
If you exist in Allah then obviously you are perfect because Allah is perfect. Unless you do then you are not perfect. And total assimilation and merging is hard but not impossible. Jesus could be said to have managed. The key message from him was to show the way.
Alone you are not perfect. You need assimilation and merging with the consciousness called Allah. Hence only Allah is perfect.
The message of prophet Jesus and also the one of Quran is very abstract so I understand it is hard to assimilate.
And the Kingdom Jesus spoke is at hand. You do not have to wait until you depart.
Salaam
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@ truth seeker 11 And then there's the ascendant masters, those higher dimensional power beings that people follow and in doing so they give their own power away to them. And the Gurus claim Godly status and encourage their followers to have faith in them, and their "channeling sources".
Humans have an innate tendency towards fantasy and self grandiosity. But our imagination, intellect and knowledge is actually quite limited. We can never truly understand the entity that is God. All we ultimately have is our own beliefs and interpretations. -
Peace Lena,
And then there's the ascendant masters, those higher dimensional power beings that people follow and in doing so they give their own power away to them. And the Gurus claim Godly status and encourage their followers to have faith in them, and their "channeling sources".
It is the fault of the people if they follow the higher density beings other than the infinite Creator. NONE of the positive higher density beings (like Gabriel) ask lower density beings to follow them. They only claim to be messengers of a divine message when they channel. Negative higher density beings however are deceptive in their channeling and might ask lower density beings to follow them instead of the infinite Creator. Negative higher density beings also channel messages of fear, doom, gloom, and accurate predictions (like giving the exact date). So it becomes very easy to distinguish positive from negative channelings.
Channeling is ANY communication between higher density entities or the infinite Creator and 3rd density entities. In Arabic, channeling is called "wahi". Quran was mostly channeled to Muhammad by Gabriel (who is a positive 6th density entity). Going by your sarcastic tone, Quran can also be considered a book of fantasy, just because it was mostly channeled by a higher density entity like Gabriel. Channeled message doesn't mean that it is false or a fantasy or a delusion. You have to go by THE MESSAGE of the channeling, and use your conscience, reasoning, and real world evidence to determine if it is the truth, just like al-quran suggests you to (3030, 611, 644, 4153, 1736).
Karmic implications of one's actions (2884, 440) and reincarnation are proposed by al-quran (228, 4011) and have been extensively discussed on this forum.
If something that I say doesn't resonate with you then please feel free to discard it. The most important thing is service to others (good deeds), belief in one infinite Creator, and accountability of your actions.
May the infinite Creator bless you.
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Truth,
The most important is AFFINITY with one Creator and not belief.
The belief delusion is a creation of human minds and could be considered sectarian. Amen/iman/ameen is having a root which means 'to realize/make real/realization' as in make something real.
I know you are skeptical about my letter by letter realization, but means "Be Thereof One/Entity". The typical Christian theory that it stands for "may it be so" is fairly accurate actually.
It is in all instances of Quran referring to "have a realization/realize". This is the connection to faith it should have.
God is not looking for anyone who believes because believing is not being sure. That God exists is as clear as glass, obvious. The goal is affinity with that existence, much like you said through behavior and deeds. Your ways (representation) are so important that the root for this definition is used 98 times in Quran which is erroneously used to infer a religious ritual from the context many times.
That is what God makes expressed to Moses when it is expressed "I am with you as long as you mind/are mindful of your ways" or self-perception (depending on interpretation).
Connection/nearness to God is defined by and guidance/path-taking . When the actors in Quran say in traditional interpretation "You need to be X to be guided", it actually speaks of being near/feel presence/affiliation/membership/belonging.
Salaam
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Peace Man of Faith,
The most important is AFFINITY with one Creator and not belief.
The belief delusion is a creation of human minds and could be considered sectarian. Amen/iman/ameen is having a root which means 'to realize/make real/realization' as in make something real.
I know you are skeptical about my letter by letter realization, but means "Be Thereof One/Entity". The typical Christian theory that it stands for "may it be so" is fairly accurate actually.
It is in all instances of Quran referring to "have a realization/realize". This is the connection to faith it should have.
God is not looking for anyone who believes because believing is not being sure. That God exists is as clear as glass, obvious. The goal is affinity with that existence, much like you said through behavior and deeds. Your ways (representation) are so important that the root for this definition is used 98 times in Quran which is erroneously used to infer a religious ritual from the context many times.
In our 3rd density existence it is extremely difficult to KNOW that the infinite Creator exists. Instead we can easily BELIEVE or HAVE FAITH that the infinite Creator exists.
Affinity and eventual assimilation with the infinite Creator is the goal and service to others or good deeds, belief/faith in infinite Creator, and accountability of actions is the recommended way to achieve that goal. I was talking about the most important way that leads to affinity and assimilation with the infinite Creator. The most important goal is not affinity but eventual ASSIMILATION/RETURN to the infinite Creator.
Service to others or good deeds, belief/faith in infinite Creator, and accountability of actions ----> affinity and eventual assimilation with the infinite Creator.
Salat cannot mean "behavior" or "ways" or "deeds" in al-quran because those meanings don't fit in the salat verses. When you translate a word its meaning has to fit in the verse according to context and make sense. Salat as used in al-quran means "turning towards" (7531-32 salla is contrasted with turning away). Aqimi al-salat is a method of turning towards the infinite Creator so that we can remember the infinite Creator and learn how to spend our lives in a righteous manner.
The word used for "deeds" or " behavior" in al-quran is "3amal", and "3amal salehin" is used for good deeds/behavior.
The word used for "way" in al-quran is "siraat" and you can mind your ways by following "siraat al-mustaqeem", the straight way/path.
May the infinite Creator guide us all to the truth.
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But God is perfect. Can we ever reach an absolute state of perfection and have Gods qualities? How exactly do you see humans as existing in the image of God? Physically? spiritually? Wouldn't it be shirk to put ourselves in the image of God? Please explain in more detail. Thanks.
Why did Allah create creatures?
Why is there a Hell?Allah dwells in the hearts of all living creatures. Each and every servant is numbered, written in the Book of Life. We are created as a tool for Allah to display His presence in His creation - the physical universe. A way for Allah to walk on the Earth and act in real time. In Allah's infinite Wisdom, He chose to create creatures to perform this Way. A mountain does not have a pair of hands, nor does any planet or star or even plant or tree. It is us, the moving creatures and us alone who can act in the ways necessary to control the universe itself. This Life is only a trial and a test but in the Real life we will be at work, eternally. Our purpose is to be God-conduits, as electricity makes computers so does the Light of the Heavens and Earth make humans.
There are two ways to act
(1) In accordance with Allah
(2) In opposition to Allah, which is STILL (1) - in accordance with Allah as Allah is Sovereign, SupremeSo we have a choice - move with the flow or against the flow, but whichever choice we take, we will always be moving WITH the flow, for Allah is the decider of the flow itself.
Please refer to Man of Faith's post regarding merging with Allah. It is possible for a human soul to reach the end of its journey on Earth, in this Life. Yes, it is HARD. It's brutal. It will stretch you to your complete extremes and when I say complete extremes, I mean complete extremes. Once this is fulfilled, you will be annihilated. Allah will remain and Life goes on.
The process is called 'fana fillah' (nirvikalpa samadhi) and after that is 'baqa billah' (sahaja samadhi)
I have spoken to a fair few people who have passed through the Gate. It is very simple to pass through but to get there requires total relentless in seeking Allah. Nothing else is required, all you have to do is make it your living breathing every waking moment to seek Allah.
The mechanism by which this activation occurs is known as Kundalini. Awakening Kundalini, the next process is to ascend Kundalini to the Crown, wherein which you shall be dissolved then after that you shall return to Earth and continue on your merry way. After the experience, the Kundalini descends to the root. It is perhaps wisest to ascend Kundalini to the Crown once again after this process is complete. Life thereafter is the same Life in many ways, but not the same Life in many ways. All are invited. At this point on Earth, many people have awakened their Kundalini. And many people have entered Nirvana. We are living in a truly blessed time!
http//lecubiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/nirvikalpa-and-the-unseen-world/
http//biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=TheCrystalPalace
Very good reference site detailing the processhttp//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti
Read this dude's biography. It shows that after the awakening process one must continue seeking and surrendering to Allah in order to be successful. But yes if someone sincere wishes to seek, I have laid out the full information in this post. Between this information and the Quran, you have a one way ticket to Paradise on Earth. Take it.jedi peace
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Peace Lena,
" And in Allah you can be perfected " could simply mean that when we believe in Allah we can reach our maximum potential. "In Allah" could also mean the perfection of the believers souls when they join Allah in the Hereafter or there are many other interpretations that can be given to that phrase depending on your spiritual philosophy and religious beliefs. What Sura and verse is the phrase from?
Are you sure you're addressing the right person?
When did I say this? ??? hmm
May the infinite Creator bless you.
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Peace OPF,
Thank you for the enlightening post and links. Very fascinating!
May the infinite Creator bless you.
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Peace Man of Faith,
No it is not idolatry, Truthseeker, because you exist in Allah and not separately and idolatry is actually when you make any separation. Treating God separately is idolatry on the other hand.
Are you sure you are addressing the right person? ??? hmm
May the infinite Creator bless you
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IAMOP has been wise and added wisdom from out of the scope of Islam.
Quran says the same except that the interpretation is lackluster to say the least. Nirvana is a universal concept and it is the same in the Middle-Eastern realization which people erroneously objectify as Islam and a Pagan religion while Islam can likely be referring to the same phenomenon.
The important lesson is that Allah should not be treated separately or that is idolatry but it is an assimilation that should take place, a merging with the Creator and act in its spirit.Salaam
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Truth,
You have reached far, but you will not reach the ultimate goal because you listen too much to the word of men and trust man made sources. Why do you believe so strongly that traditional meanings and definitions of Arabic are true to 100%? Do you not see that you are exposed to immense bias?
Salaam
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And no, it is not hard to know that the Creator exists. It is a logical process of thinking and it is as clear as glass that there is intelligence beyond normal measures.
And by affinity means to stay within the same spiritual image as Allah.
And salateh as follow yourself is not contradictory in Quran unless interpretation is wrong. I myself analyzed the whole Quran. It is basically only 1187 that has problems and I am going to look at it.
And you seem unaware of the fact that is pronounced "teh", it is a compound letter consisting of and . The same letter exists in Hebrew using another symbol. It has an abstract reference compared to the standard .
But you do not think I am unto something so that probably does not matter to you nor the fact a single letter begins chapter 38 and 68 followed by a conjunction forcing the letter to have its own meaning in any sensible literal composition.
Salaam
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Salaam Man of Faith,
What is the problem with "turning towards" the infinite Creator? The illusion of separateness while being in the physical existence can be overcome by salat/"turning towards" the infinite Creator, and then assimilating or merging with it.
I am not denying the possibility that certain letters can have a certain meaning. What I want to know is the SOURCE of your letter meanings. How do you know what you are proposing is the real meaning of a letter? Anyone can claim a letter to have any meaning and thereby translate any word to anything one desires. So what is the source of your letter meanings? Were the meanings divinely channeled to you by the infinite Creator?
I am pretty sure that you don't know the correct letter meanings if they do have a meaning, because when you use your letter meanings to translate verses of al-quran, it doesn't make any sense. Also you cannot switch around the order of the words in a verse and you cannot translate "fajr" as "dawn" in one verse and "wickedness" in another verse, and you cannot omit entire phrases from a verse. All of that is intellectual dishonesty and deception and destroys your credibility.
Readers can see what I am referring to here, especially in 1187, 11114, 1778, 2458
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg358252#msg358252
For example if an English sentence says
"The General commanded his soldiers to attack"
And you tell a non English speaking person that the sentence is saying
"The commanded General attacked his soldiers"
It will be intellectual dishonesty and deception.
This is similar to what you are doing with verses of al-quran.
Instead of inventing and fabricating meanings of letters and twisting the verses of al-quran to fit your desires, why are you ignoring the possibility that some of the verses in al-quran could have been tampered with and that's why they don't make any sense? How is that outside the realm of possibilities especially when historical documents exist which show the existence of different codices of al-quran soon after its revelation and then a person with no divine authority arbitrarily selecting one of the codices and destroying the others
http//www.inthenameofallah.org/Codices%20of%20the%20Quran.html
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Truth
I am NOT inventing meanings in Quran.
Several of the terms I investigated are true
Kafar means fabricator
Iman means realize
Muslim means "person with faith/confidence"
Salateh means what ways you follow, and of course synchronously with Allah. Your course of action.
Qtl means convince/exhortAnd a sea of other words. It is others who either fabricate or follow fabricated meanings.
The reason why the words do not always make sense is because entire segments of text are wrong because not even Arabic grammar is understood properly.
I have realized something, truthseeker. I am not inventing letter meanings and I study carefully.
And there are no prayer/connection timings. Those are imaginative inferences of the text such as that YOU blame me for.
And I apologize for translating fajr as wickedness in one passage and dawn in the other. One interpretation of a word is obviously right. If I have to choose it is wickedness. I do not have my own translation finished yet so I rely partially on Monotheist Translation when proving some individual point.
Salaam
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Several of the terms I investigated are true
True??...
But, perhaps those meanings of yours may change again in the future, right?
How we can be sure that this time you will not change those meanings again?
By saying that those are true, then it implies that those meanings are correct and assuredly.
Meanwhile, I think it's pretty often (frequently) that you brought new meanings to replace previous meanings that you presented.
I told you please be careful, but you don't seem listen to my advice.