The fruits He made in pairs. (13:3)
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Peace
I want to exam the quote whee its said "The fruit he made i pairs" (133)Cause I seen it claimed that this is a contradiction.
I know that there are male and female trees. But I don't think its all of them, or? Maybe the quote refraining specific to the fruits trees?
Do you have any knowledge concerning this issue please share it.
I?m also pretty sure that there are some post her. Just I cant find them.Thanks
May God direct us.
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I did some research now myself.
I found out that every fruit need female flower to produce fruit. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_reproductive_morphology#Dioecious
Sometimes the fruit can be produced without the male as parthenocarpy (literally meaning virgin fruit) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocarpy
The plant do so sometimes because it can have some use of producing without seeds. The seedless fruits are easier to produce and some animal prefer them so the seeded ones are not the one there are being eated.
But the plant therefor don't do so with all the fruits
There are many different occurrences of the gender/sexes. Like they can change, an be both. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_reproductive_morphology#DioeciousSo all in all I think we can conclude that the fruit always comes as male and female. Just in many variations and combinations.
I thank God that his word is proven truth.
Please correct me if I?m wrong
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Salaam,
The word used in the aayaat given is which also includes grains, cereals, spices, etc. along with fruits. It means any fruit that a tree or plant bears.
The proper word for fruits like mango, apple, grapes, etc. the word used is as in 2319.
This is how I understand, I might be wrong completely.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace of God mmkhan
Thank you.
That make sence in some way.
But what about the context, when we know that on the fruittree, there are male and female parts?Could you please help me with the word pairs? Could the explanation be in this word?
How is the fruit made in pairs?May god guide us.
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Mmkhan,
Perhaps we could say that the word you first suggested means something like "crops", i.e. plant grown naturally or agriculturally for food and is a group name for all vegetation that can be consumed or grow seeds enveloped in a package which can be eaten (apple, banana, orange etc).
We need to realize Arabic words are very descriptive in what they like to say, very literally so.
For example, vegetables are often containing the letter for example (like).
Salaam
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Gods peace amin
But doesn?t that make it all pretty complicated. Like there is some hidden meaning?
I think that the messeage shouldn?t be that distinct, or?Maybe its because I dont get the meaning then....
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133 And it is He who spread the earth and placed therein firmly set mountains and rivers; and
from all of the fruits He made therein two mates; He causes the night to cover the day. Indeed in
that are signs for a people who give thought.The verse speaks of pollination or the continuance of the fruit species.
Some monoecious fruit tree flowers are often referred to as "perfect" flowers, meaning both the
female and male parts are contained in the same flower. Others monoecious fruit trees have
separate male and female flowers but on the same tree.Some types of fruit trees require two trees to insure a fruit crop -- but not all do. Flowering plants,
including fruit trees, require pollination before fruit is produced. When pollen, the male contribution,
finds its way to the female structure, fertilization occurs and a fruit is born. Whether or not two trees
are needed depends on whether the plant produces both male and female flowers or only one of the two.http//homeguides.sfgate.com/need-two-same-kind-trees-produce-fruit-89155.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollination
The Quran is amazing!
God bless
peace
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Fruit comes with both sexes. That's what is meant.
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Peace hawk99
Flowering plants,
including fruit trees, require pollination before fruit is producedNot all. Please see my second post in this treath.
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Peace progressive1993
Fruit comes with both sexes. That's what is meant.
But there aint such thing. Or?
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Peace hawk99
Not all. Please see my second post in this treath.Peace NielsJacob, I agree not all, as I was only referring to your question regarding the
verse and its implications/meaning and not trying to decipher the exceptions or variances.God bless you
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Peace all,
Fruits NEVER come in both sexes. Some plants or flowers, however, come in both sexes.
The quran actually claims that all fruits come in pairs (133, "al-thamaraat" includes all fruits), with the intended meaning that there is male and female fruit, not just for a couple of plants, but every fruit is either male or female, and from each fruit there exists the male and the female kind. This is obviously false and creates a contradiction right away. There are no male and female apples, male and female strawberries, etc. Fruits do not have a gender. In its literal understanding, this statement of the quran is not a scientific miracle, it is a total scientific failure.
However, this statement is so wrong, that one can hardly imagine that it really talks about fruits as such. Maybe we have to allow for poetic license and al-quran simply used the literary device of synecdoche, speaking pars pro toto, and by saying "fruit" really meant "the plant that bears the fruit". Even if that is the case, there still appears to be a contradiction with real world evidence.
Some plants have perfect flowers. "Perfect" in a botanical sense means that each flower has both male (stamens) and female (carpel) parts in the same structure. A "perfect" flower may be described as "bisexual" or "hermaphroditic". Lilies, roses, and apple flowers are perfect.
It is obvious that perfect flowers don't occur in pairs which contradicts and falsifies 133. Calling such flowers "pairs" would be same as calling hermaphrodite earthworms "pairs".
This does seem to be a serious contradiction in al-quran with real world evidence, unless "zawjayn" is interpreted as "pair of gametes". Is that interpretation possible, staying within Arabic linguistics?
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Gods peace amin
But doesn?t that make it all pretty complicated. Like there is some hidden meaning?
I think that the messeage shouldn?t be that distinct, or?Maybe its because I dont get the meaning then....
Salam NielsJacob,
Verse 13/3
And it is He who spread the earth and placed therein firmly set mountains and rivers; and from all of the fruits He made therein two mates; He causes the night to cover the day. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.The sign I see is about God, that some of the things cannot be changed or they are created by God, like the setup of the earth with mountains and rivers, the fruits that are made in two pairs and the night that will cover/follow the day.
so my idea of fruits = action and reaction could fit in here directly.
but the "fruits" when taken literally needs better explanation.
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Peace all,
I think the proper translation/interpretation of 133 would be as follows
133 ....... and from/"min" all the fruits It made in it/"fiha" pairs (of gametes) ..........
This resolves the contradiction.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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I find that it is an intriguing formulation from the Qur'an. "sawjain ethnain" is weird. If I analyse it logically it would mean two (one and one) members of two different couples (or pairs) zawjain ethnain.
"And from among all the "thamaraat" (he-it-she) put in it (the earth) zawjain ethnain.
Salaam
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Peace,
by Kathy Imbriani
Some types of fruit trees require two trees to insure a fruit crop -- but not all do. Flowering
plants, including fruit trees, require pollination before fruit is produced. When pollen, the male
contribution, finds its way to the female structure, fertilization occurs and a fruit is born. Whether
or not two trees are needed depends on whether the plant produces both male and female
flowers or only one of the two.Housing for One or Two
In the plant world there are two kinds of flowering plants monoecious and dioecious. A
monoecious plant has male and female flowers. This allows pollination with only one tree.
A dioecious plant has either male or female flowers. A good way to remember this "mono"
means one in Latin and "ecious" means "house." Conversely, "di" means two in Latin.Fruit Trees with One House
Some monoecious fruit tree flowers are often referred to as "perfect" flowers, meaning both
the female and male parts are contained in the same flower. Others monoecious fruit trees
have separate male and female flowers but on the same tree. Two examples of monoecious
fruit trees are most peaches, (Prunus spp.), hardy in U.S. Department of Agriculture plant
hardiness zones 5 through 8, and apricots (Prunus armeniaca), hardy in USDA zones 5 through 7.Fruit Trees with Two Houses
Fruit trees that are dioecious require a male and a female tree in close proximity to produce
fruit, usually less than 100 feet, but the closer they are the more apt pollinating insects will
visit both. Some dioecious fruit trees include persimmon (Diospyros spp.), hardy in USDA
zones 5 through 11, and pistachio (Pistacia vera) -- Chinese pistachio (Pistacia chinensis)
thrives in USDA zones 6 through 9.The terms "male" and "female," though used to describe trees, fit as awkwardly as
someone else's shoes. Although the flowers of trees need to be fertilized with pollen
to produce fruit, the geography of plant sexuality is less rigid than that traditionally
described in humans.Complex Sex
Tree sexual reproduction is much more nuanced, however. Some trees have flowers
that contain both male and female parts, and some flowers have sexual parts that
don't function or that function only occasionally. Likewise, some trees change sex
from season to season while others change once or twice during their lifetime. In
short, tree gender is a complex and ever-evolving phenomenon that biologists
continue to study.http//i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02107/prune1_2107335b.jpg
http//homeguides.sfgate.com/DM-Resize/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/142/28/87513892_XS.jpg?w=360&h=360&keep_ratio=1
God bless
peace
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Peace hawk99
Although the flowers of trees need to be fertilized with pollen
to produce fruit,It could be true in the case of fruit trees, but not always in general fruit production.
(I posted before)Sometimes the fruit can be produced without the male as parthenocarpy (literally meaning virgin fruit) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocarpy
The plant do so sometimes because it can have some use of producing without seeds. The seedless fruits are easier to produce and some animal prefer them so the seeded ones are not the one there are being eated.
But the plant therefor don't do so with all the fruits
Sometimes the production can be without pollen. Its used often in the production of cucumbers where then no bees are needed.Anyway the fruitree always have male and female parts. This could be the pairs referring to in 133
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What about this simple explanation
There are no such thing as single fruit production.
On the tree there are always more than one fruit.
Not like for instant a carrot which isn?t a fruit and therefor appears alone.If the production of fruit is limited to one its only due to human hand interference.
This explanation seems to simple but could be the case. (Please I need respond on this one)
God bless you..