On the Origins of ISIS
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They have had a war for over thousand years, and if not not open war it is cold war.
Why not coexist together with the differences?
Why cannot people be civilized? Why must things like religion always be zealous and dogmatic?
They do not follow anything from GOD. They do not even seem to see that the opener in Quran is "In the Spirit of ALLAH, Benevolent, Merciful", and repeatedly tells those who wish to follow to harbor the same traits.
In fact they only follow their instincts (shaytaan).
Salaam
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Well, I know personally some iraqis, now out of their country who do not have any idea of such a war of thousand years inside their country.Quite to the contrary they know perfectly well that int heir lives before the invasion of Iraq by the coalition, on the religious side everyone was perfetly at peace and friendship. There are institutions of different religions that have endured many centuries and nobody has bothered them.
I am sick of the steretype, as false as it gets, of the middle East always enmeshed in religious wars. It is obviously a projection of the European dirty conscience of having been through many centuries on that and without knowledge they expect that they can attribute that to anybody else, particularly if it is those awful muslims. Myself I have had first hand experiences which go aaabsolutely against that vision. Quite the opposite. Courtesy between creeds was prevalent and the rule.
Salaam
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Salaam,
We who are 30-40 years old have no other memory. We have just seen endless warfare in the Middle-East for our whole lives. We may be biased.
We have an imprint on our brains about people running around with AK-47s yelling Allahu akbar like we had 100 years ago the barbaric projection of Native Americans (Indians) with bows who made repeated sounds with their hands on their mouth. We perceive it as uncivilized.
We seem oblivious of the atrocities of World War 1 and 2 though.
But Iraq was not that peaceful over the decades though. In the 1980s there was a rampant war with Iran. And the Saddam regime gassed lots of Kurds to death.
In comparison to now it was probably peaceful though. There is barely nothing left of the country. Lots of feuding people due to their sectarian denominations. An "Islamic" State which tried to impose a Hell on people, their interpretation of what GOD wants for all people. I do not know where they get their intellect from.
And then there comes intellectually deficit people from other parts of the world who believe they establish something that has to do with GOD. I read virtually every day in a Swedish newspaper about teenagers who travel down to join the New World or what they regard it, a khalifateh. They are so brainwashed by religious dogma so they actually think it is Islam.
People believe GOD's domain should be established by violence.
Salaam
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One of the iraqis I hhav known was a kurd in exile when Saddam was still presidente and he certainy held no religious grudge of any kind and even did not claim that as a kurd he had any grudge either. It ws the regime not the ethnia. And he may have done. I tend to take anything in the western media as very suspect. They constantly project their own minds. Just like in religion.
The middle east people have been poisoned with a rogue state int heir middle and that as the most eminent proof of impeprial meddling and outright intervention in the Middle East (and not only) and then you come and say that the Middle East is not peaceful and present it as if it was a show of something irremidiable and attached particularly to their essence. Projecting, projecting projecting.
Now when you keep poisoning something with absolute dedication century after century probbly you will get the thing poisonned. Yes it works, but ttribute it to whom it is attributable not to some inherent need of those people to be ever so damned evil or whatever.
Salaam
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The American occupation of Iraq was terrorism IMO. I'm saying this as a person who hates Saddam. I think Saddam was absolutely garbage but what America did was clearly terrorism. However one thing I disgaree on is the fact that ISIS is the creation of the US invasion and the removal of Saddam. The majority of the Islamic State are foreigners(Mostly Pakistan/Chechen/Saudi scumbags) and not Iraqis. It's the failure of arresting these Islamist savages by the Turkish regime that created the Islamic State and also the money and the weapons that has flown to the groups 'indirectly'. As we see today many uneducated South-Asians(E.g Bangladeshi like those three recent 'British' national morons) travel to Iraq to take a part of the ethnic-cleansing of Iraqis. They 'smuggle' themselves through Turkey. When you look at the Islamic State then you have to see it as an invasion force. It's already invading Iraq but it is failing as it is absolutely garbage. The Iraqi army are destroying Islamists and if any South-Asian wants a bomb on his/her head (Especially morons like Anjem Choudary) then feel free to contact the Iraqi army. As a Palestinian Muslim all I can say is that Choudary is a moronic Pakistani-British terrorist that enjoys having an ISIS/terrorist logo behind his head while he is living on welfare in Britain just like all Islamists and these miserable Europeans enjoy giving welfare and saftey to Islamists still they are welcomed in the Arab world. I'm not opposing Anjem Choudary for the sake of the reputation of Islam letalone for the sake of Europe(Screw Europe)- I'm opposing Anjem Al-Hmar because I support Iraq and the Iraqi people regardless of their religion. It's people like Anjem Choudary an uneducated moron that is giving Islam cancer. The moron should do Islam a favor and leave the religion already.
Saddam teared apart Iraq and its population. He called himself an 'Arab' nationalist and then he oppressed Iraqi Shias. And then he claimed to represent Islam.. I wonder how? By gassing Muslim Kurds? Yeah right. Saddam was a savage. Good thing the moron was removed. All the Iraqis I know oppose both Saddam and the US. Both Saddam and the US can go to hell.
Anyway my point is that even with the removal of Saddam that is not the reason for why the Islamic State came to power. I will tell you how the Islamic State came to power it's all because of these tinfoilasshat Westerners that have been sugarcoating Islamists crimes with 'freedom fighting' or 'rebel'. So much weapons and money has flown to Islamist groups indirectly especially in Syria. The European asshats enjoy pretending as if they never knew they were supporting Islamists but this is what they do in every conflict. Send tons of aid to Islamist groups and then pretend not to know about it and if it gets leaked out then play innocent. Not only the amount of weapons and funds that has flown to Islamist groups especially ISIS but even the cannonfodder. As mentioned before the majority members of ISIS are foreigners mostly from Europe, South-Asia and Saudi-Arabia. By failing to arrest these savages that are traveling to kill they have contributed to the rise of the Islamic state AKA Terrorist state. The only logical thing is that Iraq sues Europe, South-Asia and Saudi-Arabia for attacking its own land. These are all foreign nationals that are entering Iraq to kill Iraqis but don't worry European asshats these Islamists are going back to their graves(especially your European Islamist brethren). I just hope that all those Europeans who took part in letting the Islamist leave have a taste of their own medicine one day. Turkey has contributed strongly to the rise of ISIS by not arresting these terrorists that crossed its borders. The Kurds who killed Islamists from ISIS in Kobane found that the Islamists had Turkish stamps on their passports which is not suprising. Turkey is obviously sending Islamists into Syria to attack Kurds indirectly.
Many Jihadists especially from ISIS enjoy naming themselves 'Al-Denmarki' (The Danish) or 'Al-Sishani' (The Chechen)- They are all foreigners. They should name themselves Al-Denmarki/Al-Sishani Al-Irhabi le hmar (The Danish/The Chechen the terrorist donkey). Suits their names. Until then Iraq is going to get rid of these primitive savages one by one.
It is obviously a projection of the European dirty conscience of having been through many centuries on that and without knowledge they expect that they can attribute that to anybody else, particularly if it is those awful muslims.
The 'civilized' Europeans have absolutely no right to judge. They can go and take a look in the mirror and see what they've done to their own region. During WW1-WW2 over 50 million Europeans died as a result of Europeans killing each other. The Red Soviet army(Which mostly consisted of Eastern-Europeans) raped up to two million German woman. The Germans are very closed to Scandinavia- One could argue that the Soviet army raped up to two million Scandinavians. But moronic right-wingers here will never mention that (letalone any warcrime of their own European brethren) instead they are very good at blaming evil mooooooslems. If there were tvs and medias during WW2 like there were today you'd see what kind of a stereotype the Europeans would bring on themselves.
During the Islamic Golden Age while the middle-east was flourishing Europe was absolutely garbage. It had a dark age ERA. I pity Europeans that act 'civilized' when they aren't even one inch close to civilization. Sure democracy orginated from Greece but I don't see how you can call democracy a Western value as during that time the rest of the Europeans were barbarians especially the Northern-Europeans. Greece is even closer to the levant and has had a stronger influence there. In Syria there was a Greek engineer, architect, designer and sculptor from Damascus, Roman Syria, who flourished during the 2nd century AD.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollodorus_of_Damascus (Greek ς "He also designed the Forum Trajanum and Trajan's Column within the city of Rome, beside several smaller projects. Apollodorus also designed the triumphal arches of Trajan at Beneventum and Ancona. He is also widely credited as the architect of the Pantheon, and cited as the builder of the Alcon?tar Bridge in Spain. In 106 he also completed or restored the odeon begun in the Campus Martius under Domitian."
The middle east people have been poisoned with a rogue state int heir middle and that as the most eminent proof of impeprial meddling and outright intervention in the Middle East (and not only) and then you come and say that the Middle East is not peaceful and present it as if it was a show of something irremidiable and attached particularly to their essence. Projecting, projecting projecting.
I agree. I believe that if Israel had never existed the Middle-east would be an a lot better place. Less resources would have been spent on fighting Israhell and could have gone to overthrowing Islamists tyrants especially in the Gulf which would prevent groups such as ISIS coming to existance as no more funds would go to religion letalone religious ideologies.
The Middle-east has had a long history of civilization unlike Western-Europe and its citizens that are only good on sugarcoating its history. Iraq has the first civilization in the world now what does European countries such as Britain have? Absolutely nothing. Denmark? lol Even worse. It's easy to talk but hard to prove. The Europeans can keep talking about their own 'civilized' countries but anybody reading their history will see how they are lying. I'd love to debate Europeans on their own 'civilized' history and their own culture which is equally as terrible.
Europeans have absolutely no right to talk about democracy, human rights or freedom of speech especially given the fact that they are from countries that have a long history of opposing all these things. Many Israelies and their 67 years old 'ancestry' are descendant from Europeans(Immigrants from Soviet/Eastern-Europe and Western-Europe) but they don't want to admit their own European history as even they are ashamed of it themselves. I'm not suprised and I can't blame them either. What mostly bothers me is that these parasites think they belong in Palestine when they don't. Many of these European Jews left their own region because even they admit that their own region was garbage during that time.
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The United States? Yes, but not only. The British as usual well hidden but very, very present and leading the plot. If people do have a memory they will remember that it was not Bush father who was absolutely bent on going against Iraq, but Thatcher, who kept pushing and pushing till she got the USA involved up to their heds.
It was also the British Empire, not the USA who got the rogue zionnist State into the Middle East.
We should not be blinded tot hese things, becuse the well is not dry, from where it came it keeps coming.
Salaam
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Well, Saddam was originally a puppet regime for the U.S. that rebelled. The Shah (king) of Iran was just a puppet for the U.S. until 1979 and its population rebelled. Iraq invaded Iran because of a plot by the U.S. since they lost their puppet from Iran. Oil is the reason.
The U.S. gains nothing from an independent Middle-East, so if they cannot control then they try to ruin instead.
When they attacked Iraq they saw that their puppet Saddam was not filling their agenda so they sought to make a liberation to replace it with another. What is better than making sure a Shia-dominated government takes control?
The ulterior goal seems very hard to see, but there are economic powers which are not the U.S government but mega-corporations who have enormous power influence working in the shadows. The U.S government is in return a puppet of these corporations. So if the puppets around the world are for U.S, then the U.S government is a puppet for those who work in the shadows. They are everywhere, even in the Congress or Senate. They are totally everywhere wherever they can get their foot in. They control banks, they control resources, they control money. If you have that you can control everything with those resources, especially if you are organised (see documentaries about secrets meetings of world's most influential people where the mighty families like Rothschild are present). American media is controlled by those people.
Salaam
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The United States? Yes, but not only. The British as usual well hidden but very, very present and leading the plot. If people do have a memory they will remember that it was not Bush father who was absolutely bent on going against Iraq, but Thatcher, who kept pushing and pushing till she got the USA involved up to their heds.
It was also the British Empire, not the USA who got the rogue zionnist State into the Middle East.
We should not be blinded tot hese things, becuse the well is not dry, from where it came it keeps coming.
Salaam
Yup meanwhile in the Gulf-countries
http//i.imgur.com/gloXKm8.jpg
Here European/British imbecile have some more candy for taking over Palestine. That's exactly what the Gulf-states are saying. It's no wonder the Europeans enjoy making excuses for Gulf regime crimes as it benefits them. If I was the leader of the Arab world I'd never welcome the Europeans infact all of them would have been expelled a long time ago. I'd keep the Arab world clean from Wahabbis/Islamists and European tinfoil asshats. The oil shouldn't go to Europe.
I can assure you I'm no fan of Britain. Britain can screw off. And you're right Britain did create Israel by forcing a mass-Immigration of European Jews. It's one of the reasons to why I target the European countries more than I target the US. It's also one of the reasons to why I keep saying that the Europeans are parasitical and by that I'm not refering to all Europeans I'm refering to the European leaders. They always come to the Gulf-countries for some special privileges as if anybody wants to give these European parasites special privileges. Many European nations are supporting dictatorship in the Gulf both directly and indirectly. They enjoy selling weapons to the Saudi regime for example as Saudi-Arabia uses these weapons to take down protestors especially in Bahrain. Even now countries such as Britain is good on sending insurgent groups to Iraq to kill Iraqis while taking absolutely no responsibility in arresting these Islamists from leaving. But the idiotic Khaalejis that are a cancer in the Arab world can keep giving these Europeans some special privileges. Hopefully their oil will run out one day.
Israel is the European Jewish version of the Islamic State except that Israel is much more smarter. For example it tries to sugarcoat its own history with democracy and secularism(It has nothing to do with neither one of them) thinking that these are reasons for it to exist. If anybody wants to oppose the Islamic State then oppose the European stupidity i.e Israel as well which is being protected by the Europeans that have a history of a carpet. Europeans should NEVER have the right to establish their own religious homeland. What many European propagandists will never tell you is the fact that 'Jew' is no ethnicity letalone a nationality.
It's one of the reasons to why I celebrate the independance of the Arab countries. It's a middlefinger to the Europeans and the Islamists. And if they do not like it then they are always free to get off planet Earth. European warmongerers/Irhabis = Klaab and hypocrites. Good thing they were removed from the Arab countries. Now all that remains are the Islamists that needs to be removed as well.
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There are actually conflicts all over the world. Its just that media focuses mainly on Middle East for some "benefits". How many times Russia Today or Al Jazeera mention the beheadings that take place in Mexico city? How many times American media mentions that China is taking over lands of other Asian countries? How many times do they cover the condition of people living in North Korea? How many times do we hear about the pacific island people who are healthwise affected by American missile tests everyday? How many times do we hear about the atrocity taking place in western side of India namely Kashmir? How many times do we hear about what is happening to Myanmar Muslims?
The United States? Yes, but not only. The British as usual well hidden but very, very present and leading the plot. If people do have a memory they will remember that it was not Bush father who was absolutely bent on going against Iraq, but Thatcher, who kept pushing and pushing till she got the USA involved up to their heds.
It was also the British Empire, not the USA who got the rogue zionnist State into the Middle East.
We should not be blinded tot hese things, becuse the well is not dry, from where it came it keeps coming.
Salaam
This is very true. Even in Syria's case, US was forced to intervene by European countries.
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Well, Saddam was originally a puppet regime for the U.S. that rebelled. The Shah (king) of Iran was just a puppet for the U.S. until 1979 and its population rebelled. Iraq invaded Iran because of a plot by the U.S. since they lost their puppet from Iran. Oil is the reason.
The U.S. gains nothing from an independent Middle-East, so if they cannot control then they try to ruin instead.
When they attacked Iraq they saw that their puppet Saddam was not filling their agenda so they sought to make a liberation to replace it with another. What is better than making sure a Shia-dominated government takes control?
The ulterior goal seems very hard to see, but there are economic powers which are not the U.S government but mega-corporations who have enormous power influence working in the shadows. The U.S government is in return a puppet of these corporations. So if the puppets around the world are for U.S, then the U.S government is a puppet for those who work in the shadows. They are everywhere, even in the Congress or Senate. They are totally everywhere wherever they can get their foot in. They control banks, they control resources, they control money. If you have that you can control everything with those resources, especially if you are organised (see documentaries about secrets meetings of world's most influential people where the mighty families like Rothschild are present). American media is controlled by those people.
Salaam
The shah was well and right deposed by the imperialists. The shah himself was rather malomaniac and egolatric and it was obvious that he had not character of "puppet" or servant and Iran was becoming too powerful and ambitious for the imperials. He had to go. And for that they were keeping in Paris a time bomb in the form of Khomeini. They planned to destroy Iran from the inside with a nuts religious regime and internal strife. But the ayatolas, whatever others faults they may have had, fools they were not and they rid the tide to this day. Also the war procured between Iran and Iraq did not destroy either of them. And there comes the difference between Saddam and the ayatolas. Saddam was had pushing him into attacking Kuwait. That was his most damning error. You cannot believe the imperials they are devils. As simle as that. No honour no word, everybody for them is shit. They are the real all time version of shaytan. They despise, hate people. People for them are worse than cattle. They are preys.
And imperials are not a nation. They are a club which has sapped the life of nations.
That is where we are now.
Salaam