Modern (Re) Take on: Life after Life
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Are you saying there will no resurrection for anyone. i.e no resurrection at all?
Or there will be no resurrection for those "living" only ? Then who gets resurrected?
Please clarify. Also provide verse/s from Qoran to back up your understanding.
GOD bless you .
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Having faith in your Creator is very important. If someone does not even have faith in Allah, then how he/she can understand about "rely upon Allah"?
Allah taught me about that (rely upon Him), truly a beautiful lesson. Praise be to Allah.
Faith in a God is irrelevant. It is not about believing in God but rather about doing good for others.
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Peace
Qoran explains death and after death.
The question is no longer do I have a soul?I am a soul and I have a garment which is my body.
When I die just means when my body will no longer exist. Me the soul, will return to the Creator.
My Creator will then resurrects me in another "body". It does not mean I will be human again. The new body would be of a different form.
Just like my first creation was different and in another world/dimension,before I was made human to inhabit this earth, my next life will be in a new form and a new world/dimension. The Creator decides when and how.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Well that is assuming the Qur'an is true. We will never be able to prove which religion holds the truth. One possibility that I keep taking into consideration is that all religions could be a complete lie. However it is up to us on what we believe. I find the id?a of one God/Allah to be logical. I find it hard to accept that we are all an cosmic accident. I don't have any evidence for God's existance which is why I believe. But then I could care less about religion and faith in general. Maybe an afterlife does not exist but should anybody care? I don't think anyone wants to have an infinite life. That said religion must not be given any more attention than it already has. I would rather want my country take part of NASA and explore space than to still waiste more millions of dollars on traditions and Christianity. To find others outside Earth is unlikely as we are not that technologically advanced yet and what we might likely to find are microorganisms (e.g bacteria) but who cares? It is still a huge discovery. NASA today lacks funds to do what they do because Christianity in the US is given billions of dollars for absolutely nothing. Unlike religion, science has contributed many things of value. Is it not time to start waisting those funds on science instead? Christianity is a complete joke. It is given millions of dollars because we are still too traditional and idiotic. I'm pretty sure that God would agree when I say that Christianity just like any religion is a complete waiste of time and funds.
Also one thing I would like to say is that whether God and an afterlife exists or not it is still important to do good for others. Maybe people die and disintegrate into energy while consciousness fails to survive and ceases to exist (we get wiped out for good basically), but the least thing one could do is to do good for the next generation to come. That is what I believe in.
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is right. GOD does not exist on the separate level that belief in it is relevant but if one reaches the status of Allah, which is "Be As It", then this is the point. Then one is the mirror of GOD as is written in Genesis, treading in its image, and then one knows oneself, i.e. attained the spirit underneath the bodily bias (instinctive drive, animalistic behavior etc). As man unintentionally revealed the body, man must learn to separate it from the spirit. Man is spirit and body due to a mishap of mixing with creation allegorically explained through the apple tree. The body clouds the spirit to various degree depending on realization (amen/iman) and those who are very blocked from the spirit are called kafaroon (deluded/covered) by Quran.
The spirit is separate from the body if one is realized about the truth. The more one blindly indulges in worldly pleasures which arouses the biological body the more blocked from the spirit one risks becoming. Self-awareness and control is important.
One can think it is extremist and a deprivation of life, but for the one who can see beyond their barrier will see it is a great relief. It does not mean one has to remove all entertainment, emotions and comfort in life for the beast is also a creation which one has to take care of, but its animal nature should not cloud the spirit from full consciousness.
While Homo Sapiens is an animal, the human spirit is not an animal and the instincts and animal nature is not part of your real self. You must control the animal like a master and not let the animal control your spirit like a dog which is not taken care of well.
Life after this life means a detachment from the body if the person was successful or else he will feel incredible heat/light/energy as to what Quran says about it. I am still working on full comprehension, but Gehenna appears to be a permanency of the body which may be the reason for the threat of "feeling the heat/light/energy/fire" in the common interpretation. I take it is a tragic relapse and a recurring cycle of reincarnation which is the real "Hell". Hell is here already. The mainstream interpretation says the human victims of "Hell" will be given new skins which I take as an indication.
It appears through science that the universe will eventually collapse and retract into the singularity it once was. What happens to those stuck to the body by then is hard to say, but it could also be as having to feel the heat as the "flesh" will revert to energy. It may be that the spirit of the anomalous people will be destroyed by then.
There will not be a physical paradise as per the sectarian view but human souls which managed to find the spiritual Unity in Allah will be like angels. They will be Malekateh. Perhaps there will be a new cycle of the universe as per human scientific theses and the "victors" masters. Perhaps the losers will be attributed to bodies and have to live again physically in the other cycle. It depends on the Rabb. It is hard to know the nature that deeply.
Salaam
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Do you love your Creator?
If you love your Creator, then I hope someday you will understand about it ("rely upon Allah", inshaAllah.
I think we don't walk on the same path, Jafar, and I'm not sure if my words could increase your faith in Allah (if you have faith in Allah).
Yes I love the Creator AND all the Creation.
I don't see any 'true separation' between creator and creation.
As if the creator and creation is separated by distance.
Because "distance" itself is a creation.If you hate a part of creation then you also hate part of creator.
ALL creation naturally rely upon the creator and it happens naturally and automatically.Yes we don't walk the same path, well actually nobody will walk the same path as each of us has our own separate path. Your birth context is different than mine, your events on this life are different than mine and your departure from this life shall also differ than mine. Your life after this life will also different than mine.
To be honest, I don't see you have respect for Allah.
It's your right, to think as such.. because it doesn't really matter anyway...
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I find the id?a of one God/Allah to be logical. I find it hard to accept that we are all an cosmic accident. I don't have any evidence for God's existance which is why I believe. But then I could care less about religion and faith in general.
The evidence of "God's existence" is within the existence itself.
Religious people think that there are one (or more) human like deity sitting in heaven above the cloud who looked down below to earth and manage everything like a human king.
And now people is trying to find an evidence of such "human like deity".. which of course they cannot find because the idea by itself is preposterous.
Human now have received a revelation that "distance" (read space) and "time" is correlated and both are actually a "creation".
Maybe an afterlife does not exist but should anybody care? I don't think anyone wants to have an infinite life.
Perhaps the 'infinite' is the true realm of existence that nobody cannot escape.
As "Limitation of space and limitation of time" by itself is a creation.Thus the "afterlife" can also actually be a "before life"...
That said religion must not be given any more attention than it already has.
All religion is now dying..
Also one thing I would like to say is that whether God and an afterlife exists or not it is still important to do good for others. Maybe people die and disintegrate into energy while consciousness fails to survive and ceases to exist (we get wiped out for good basically), but the least thing one could do is to do good for the next generation to come. That is what I believe in.
Agree..
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If you hate a part of creation then you also hate part of creator.
That's according to you, Jafar.
As for me, I have an opinion that, even the Creator can hate or angry at His creations.
Somehow I feel that you do not support the Qur'an fully, and it seems you don't like the character of Allah (God Who is described in the Qur'an).
We will know the truth about what will happen to us after death, inshaAllah.
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As for me, I have an opinion that, even the Creator can hate or angry at His creations.
Your creator is a weird creator and it seems like a 'human' creator.
My creator controls everything, none can happened if it's not within my creator's plan.
Thus "hate" or "angry" is irrelevant for my creator, because my creator controls everything.
It's as such because all creation depends / rely on my creator, automatically and naturally.
Including... you..We will know the truth about what will happen to us after death, inshaAllah.
Of course, and it's not so far away in time isn't it?
And by then you shall received your own revelation that the things that you mentioned above doesn't really matter.
Although we might not have a chance to discuss about it... because by then none of us really do care about it..
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Faith in a God is irrelevant. It is not about believing in God but rather about doing good for others.
Bold I don't force you to think otherwise.
Perhaps you (or other people who think similar) could say as such, as much as you want,
however do not forget that we still not reach "that moment", the important moment when we eventually know whether faith in God is really important or not.
We still not meet that day.
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Your creator is a weird creator and it seems like a 'human' creator.
We were created by the same Creator.
Do you have respect for my Creator? Who is also your Creator.
My creator controls everything, none can happened if it's not within my creator's plan.
I agree.
Thus "hate" or "angry" is irrelevant for my creator, because my creator controls everything.
That's irrelevant with your previous sentence.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.
And by then you shall received your own revelation that the things that you mentioned above doesn't really matter.
You do not know what shall happen to me. We still not meet that time.
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We were created by the same Creator.
Do you have respect for my Creator? Who is also your Creator.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.You do not know what shall happen to me. We still not meet that time.
This is how I respect My creator.
Every strokes that you do to your keyboard and strokes that I do on my keyboard it's as planned by My creator. My creator doesn't hate or be angry at you or me because of it as it's all happening according to my creator's plan. It's as planned by My creator that you shall have such opinion at this point in time.
I exactly do not know why My creator planned as such, and frankly it's actually irrelevant for me to know what is actually the actual plan of My creator. Sometimes I understand why my creator planned such event and many other times I don't understand.
And that's why I ACCEPT that you're having such opinion at this point in time.
Because of such acceptance attitude, I DO NOT HATE you, as my creator also do not hate you.
On contrary I LOVE YOU as my creator also LOVE YOU.
If I Hate You than I will also be hating a part of My creator.I don't know what shall happened to you and perhaps I will never do.
As it's My creator's business to take care of you and not mine.
But I believe My creator is a loving creator, My creator is the kindest of all kindest, the caring of all caring.
That's why I believe or I have an assumption that your "after life" will be just fine.
Regardless of any opinion that you might have during this life...
Including your opinion regarding My creator.. -
Jafar,
The introduction line in Quran is "Bismillah 'AL-RAHMAN' 'AL-RAHJEEM'. Worth to be pondered upon for some people.
For people who know more it is worth pondering upon the phrase's meaning itself. Because the phrase literally means "With a spirit thereof "Be As It" Benevolent(ly) Merciful". Allah is the third person form of "I am that am I" which GOD said to Moses when Moses wondered about the nature of GOD. Allah comes from the root Alif-Lam-Lam and means nearness to/such as (check a lexicon if you do not believe me) and Allah is formed from a compound of two words with the same root, i.e. Allah is Alif-Lam-Lam x 2 and one of them as the definite prefix AL. The is a third person pronoun suffix (he/she/it) in the word Allah. The Lam is probably an emphasis of Elah, forming ALlah as the "la Elah ila Allah" = "To be as it is to (really) be as it" (emphasis lost in translation as I added 'really'.
I hope some see the connection between the "I am who am I" and the word elah/allah. GOD according to that text also told Moses to go to the 'Children of Israel' and say "I AM (me) has sent me", i.e. demonstrative pronoun. Ali (Aleh) comes from there. You see it may look like Moses sent himself, but the Rabb is symbiotic with him.
You also see my ability to explain these phenomena becomes better by day.
Salaam
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Peace All.
Life after life , let Qoran speak
Defining/explaining Why there will be a day of judgement first, followed by the next life
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We will certainly question those who received the message, and we will question the messengers.77
We will inform them authoritatively, for we were never absent.78
The scales will be set on that day, equitably. Those whose weights are heavy will be the winners.79
As for those whose weights are light, they will be the ones who lost their souls,* as a consequence of disregarding our revelations, unjustly.725
He said, "On it you will live, on it you will die, and from it you will be brought out."104
To Him is your ultimate return, all of you. This is God's truthful promise. He initiates the creation, then repeats it, in order to ...( judge equitably)...Yes. of course there are those who are not expecting this meeting...
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Those who are not expecting to meet us, and are preoccupied with this worldly life, and are content with it, and refuse to heed our proofs;But summoned to the Lord,we will be
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On the day when we summon them all, we will say to those who worshipped idols, "We have summoned you, together with your idols." We will have them confront each other, and their idols will say to them, "We had no idea that you idolized us.Yes indeed, we will return to the Lord
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That is when each soul will examine everything it had done. They will be returned to God, their rightful Lord and Master, and the idols they had fabricated will disown them.So Qoran says we return to the Lord, Why do I believe so
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Most of them follow nothing but conjecture, and conjecture is no substitute for the truth. God is fully aware of everything they do.1037
This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.Yes I am aware some do not believe ,that is fine by Qoran also
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Indeed, they have rejected this without studying and examining it, and before understanding it. Thus did those before them disbelieve. Therefore, note the consequences for the ....1040
Some of them believe (in this scripture), while others disbelieve in it. Your Lord is fully aware of ....1041
If they reject you, then say, "I have my works, and you have your works. You are innocent of anything I do, and I am innocent of anything you do."The original verses (in Arabic) are there for those who do not like the translation.
It is clear to me we will be summoned and there will a life after this life. Read Qoran for more details and evidence.
GOD bless you.
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SLM @JavaLatte
Do you love your Creator?
Yes (unquestionably)!
Utmost Love of G-D is crucial.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.
I (strongly) disagree!
Indeed, our Superior/Master () is capable of doing whatever He wills ... But,
since 'His Will' does NEVER contravene/violate ANY of His Magnificent AttributeS ,
ALLH does not hate ].When condemning someone's behaviour, the Qurnic locution used is (always) ALLH does not love
Point being that
Not loving (x) hating (x).Be sound.
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Peace brother hicham.
May I know where do you learn that Allah does not hate?
How do you know?
Whether "hate" is something wrong? Something bad?
I suppose it depends on "what we hate".
Please read and ponder verse 4010 and 613, and perhaps you could share what you think about those verses.
I don't understand why it seems there are people who think that "hate" is negative.
I personally think that there's nothing wrong with "hating the unrighteous things".
I even think that people who say that they "do not hate" could be dishonest with that claim, because their mouth can say that, but their other talks could show otherwise, it seems there are times when they actually show their hate toward something/certain thing. That's my opinion.
Btw, is there anyone who can show me the verse of the Qur'an which mention that hate is a sin?
To my knowledge, Allah never forbade me to hate evil things.
Peace.
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SLM @JavaLatte
I was expecting 9468 or 17387 as counterargument !
Anyway, I shall reply in full tomorrow (G-D willing) - Now, i'm (in bed) about to sleep ...Zzzz
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It is clear to me we will be summoned and there will a life after this life.
Indeed, we will be summoned. For me, that's Allah's promise.
I am among those who have faith in the Day of Judgement. I am waiting for that.
I think the Lord does not create us for making a game, He is serious, and He has purpose for us.