reciting the Quran back to THE GOD, question for those who "pray"
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Peace.
My question is to everyone on free-minds who prays.
Why do you recite the Quran back to Allah ta ala, when he ta ala said in the Quran, it is to be recited to mankind.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=17&verse=106#(171061)
Can you show me an ayah that says you should recite the Quran back to Allah Al Kabir?
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Salaam,
Some portions of Quran are pre-made prayers and not recitation to GOD. Such example is the first chapter of Quran. It is directed towards GOD innately as a request from your part. You are supposed to realize yourself in what you utter though.
I agree about certain traditional short chapters the sectarians recite though including the 'qul' (say) command. Qul huwa Allahu ahad. Allahu asamad. Lam yalid wa lam yolad wa yaqun lahu kofan ahad.
It does not make sense reciting such to GOD with qul pronounced. You basically tell GOD "say!".
But chapter 109 (alkafiroon) is worst in my opinion to recite as prayer. It is directed towards people who follow some other way.
The recital of Quran during ceremonies was probably in earlier times a kind of preaching but turned by crazy sectarians into some parroting of passages. Even Quran recital is done for the sake of recitation rather than what the Arabic really says. They even semi-sing the text in rhythm and many people listen to Quran recital like music.
The best would be if when Quran is read that there was some kind of discussion about the moral stories in the text and not just recite upside down. I think the lack of reflection has turned Islam into what it is. It is the curse of sectarianism.
Salaam
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Peace.
I disagree with you that you think it's ok to recite for example the quranic surah al fatiha back to THE GOD. I don't want to upset anyone, at the same time I don't want to be a munafiq hiding my beliefs, I'm sure all users of free-minds would accept? I believe this act of reciting the Quran back to THE GOD to be a polytheistic act, am I not aloud to pose my belief?
I am pleased though as your on the exact page as me with the examples of reciting quls you gave, because that means when you recited it to THE GOD you commanded him.
Don't you see the same problem with the reciting Of any of the Quran back to THE GOD?
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Why is not not okay to recite al-fatiah? It is a prayer just like the Lord's prayer which the prophet Jesus gave recommendation that they could say. It is the reader's request in the first chapter. It is also for one's own sake you recite it due to your symbiotic relationship with GOD. Of course for many people it does not matter how many times they say it because they just repetitively parrot them without paying attention to what it is that they say and thus not realizing themselves in it. It is because they think they do it for the sake of worshiping a Pagan god.
It is not that you recite it for the sake of GOD because The Rabb already knows what you need before you utter it but for your own reminder. Thus you do not do it for GOD because GOD is without both need or want, INCLUDING PAGAN WORSHIP. You honor (dhekr) GOD, your Father (lit. Sustainer) by applying (realizing = amen) what you uttered in prayer just like what you told yourself to do to honor your (biological) father. It was known by the ancient prophets but the sects seem oblivious of why they say it.
Salaam
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The entire rituals of prayers (and hajj etc) are based upon a premise that there is a cube house, located in Mecca and it is a 'sacred' place that all should physically bow down to it. I was unable to find a single verse in the Quran that confirm that this cube house is located in the city of Mecca. The word mecca appears only once in the Quran and it does not refer to it as a city. (the word mecca does not appear in a noun form) and to say that a place mentioned as 'bibakkata' is same as Mecca is highly questionable. (bibakkata' translate as 'with bakka', not as 'in or at bakka'.
So if we cannot prove that the sacred house is a cube house and its location is in todays Mecca, then the question of prayers and what we say in it becomes a mute point.
Can anyone confirm my understanding or if I am wrong then please help me understand. I am totally new to reading and understanding the Quran. After reading the Quran with many translations, and with the help of dictionaries, lexicons and concordances, I have more question than answers.
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Peace Nonmushrik.
Everything we know has been taught to us by GOD.
GOD has required to "Aslim" to him. We ask for forgiveness/redemption/guidance from him.He has given us "words" to use
The question should be "Why and what are you saying to GOD?"
Reciting without knowing what you are doing or just following traditions and saying meaningless words is of course useless.
But repenting/connecting to your creator/asking for help... is commanded and advised in Qoran.
GOD bless you.
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peace shad,
Welcome to the forum.
To my knowledge, the word makkah in 4824 is a noun but that does not mean it is a proper noun, as in the city called Makkah. From my studies, it seems to mean "crowding", which just so happens to be a shared meaning with "bakkah", perhaps explaining the switch. There have been several discussion threads on this, e.g.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597437.msg224876#msg224876
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598276.msg201108#msg201108To my knowledge, "bi" in "bi bakkata" can theoretically mean with/in.
From my understanding
salat http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
hajj http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html -
Your Lord says, "Implore Me, and I will respond to you. Surely, those who are too arrogant to worship Me will enter Gehenna, forcibly."
God tells us to call upon Him, He gives us in the Quran some Great prayers, such as Surah Al-Fatihah, which is praising God and Asking for his guidance. God emphasizes in the Quran that He dosent need us, but we need him, and that Calling upon Him is FOR OUR OWN GOOD, not because he needs it.
When i recite Quran, im reciting it For myself. And im fairly certain that im part of mankind. I think the view of reciting the Quran back to God as a form of worship is from Hadith. Clearly God tells us to recite the Quran, and that he has revealed the Quran to guide us, for our benefit.
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We shoudl define what worship is.
For me it is simply the acknowledgement that God is all there is and can be, all those names int he Qur'an and outside it, and that anything el is its creation, belongs to Him and heeds of His will to keep on existing and that the creation cannot benefit God in anything but anything I do is for my own good or bad not for God. That is worship and a clear statement that worship can only belong to God, because nothing else corresponds to those requirements.
The expression of that may be anything postrating in humility, silence, awe, deep need, whatever, but those are expression, worship is a conviction and a condition of the heart, regardeless of any expression it is something that you always are and which is a given in your life, your consciousness and unconsciousness.
Salaam
