Most beautiful Explanation of Quran only Muslims
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Did you check how planes are used in false flag attacks? I gave you link to Operation Northwoods. Did you read it? The answer you are looking for is right over there. I already answered last week about 9/11 kind of attack whose obvious target was us, Americans. Since I am no Mossad agent I don't know how they wanted to do it. You might now ask why they didn't use the missing airline to do the same. The answer to it is that it couldn't just fly across the countries without getting caught in the radar. And do remember that the plane was bought by a company from FLORIDA and that happens to be a STATE from UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. So instead of keeping it here why on earth they sent it to Israel where it was never used for flying? Why journalist Christopher B didn't get a response from the company VP Rebecca C. L when he emailed her asking similar question? Third, why make a fake press release about the Israeli one? http//www.abeldanger.net/2014/08/the-mh370-cover-up-ga-telesis.html
Do you have answers for these questions?
Salam Sis Huruf,
One of the biggest problems with sheeples is that they tend to think that for a story to be true it must be believed by the majority and of course, mentioned by the media. Most interesting thing, however, is their deceptive method of using endless questions to bring down the truth, doubts and dots acquired and displayed by the minority about the media driven parasitic stories. Why i call this deceptive? Because we are online and there is something called GOOGLE. When confronted by alternative stories they behave like it doesn't exist. But you will notice that even during the debate they don't go into explaining why they think the parasitic stories are correct. They keep it all under the wrap by the deception of questioning. I am very much used to seeing this. You will find plenty of sheeples using the method under the videos of 9/11 inside job.peace
Yes, they round you up by putting it up to you to bring a full theory or proofs of everything that it has been done any way they fancy you think it was done and forget very conviently that in fact people, questioning people do not have to bring up proof of anything at all, because it is the state adminsitration, the "rulers" who command all the budgets for the purpose those who should do that job, and the ruled do not have neither those means nor that power nor have bought the press for themselves, and the only thing the ruled ones have to do to demand that justice be done is to point the flaws or indeed the impossibility that what their authorities say happenned CANNOT HAVE HAPPENNED.
And indeed the 911 events CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED the way we were told by the authorities. THE LAWS OF PHYSICS FORBIT IT. Many other laws forbid it too, but, the point was not to convince people of the truth of such nonsense but to convince the people that their part in life is to asent and consent to anythying that is imposed on them, and forget about anything making sense. That was clear looking at oily Tony Blair with a big oily smile conceding that he had lied but that that was the way things are.
Therefore, if you cannot fight them, join them... Seems to be the moto for some people. What is more revolting is that for that they put up big morals grandstandings attempting to manipulate the guilty complex which most people tend to have. And most of the time, they have it very easy.
Salaam
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Sorry for any delay, had trouble in gathering as much evidence as i wanted on the Mahdi Issue. I have been able to come up with leads though, they all connect to the rabbit hole.
Some people take that "art is haram" to a great extreme. I know someone who hasn't made government ID and passport because they don't want to commit "sin" by having their photo taken. I once did raise the issue with the entire art is haram thing. I asked to traditionalists how they would find a missing person or a dangerous criminal without photos. They said "photos can be used in some cases". And according to Zakir Naik, they are fully okay because we aren't "drawing them by hands". But umm, we do use our hands to click the button to take them, don't we?
See? That is clear example of cherry picking Hadith. Most sectarians realize if they were to keep this Hadith, they can't have TV in their homes or even family photos in their smartphones, hence they quietly by-passed the Hadith. Ironically, these same sectarians will write me off for owning a flute. This puritan, self-righteous mindset among sectarians is unhealthy.
Wow, I had no idea about Mr Mahadi being propaganda from Abbasid revolution. What else do you have about it? I am interested. Yep, read about black flag guys being army against dajjal.
First, Mahdi as a prophesy was unknown to Muslims for about the first century of Islam, you can start with Wikipedia. If Mahdi was a true Islamic prophesy that we are still awaiting, no event in the past would match it before it is fulfilled. This is not the case with this prophesy.
Sometime during the oppressive century-long period of Umayyad rule, the idea of a messianic Mahdi became popular amongst rival Alid and Abbasids (descendants of Ali and Abbas, respectively) and their supporters. Abbasid propaganda in favour of their eventual overthrow of Umayyad rule included many references to the Mahdi, including fabricated hadiths claiming him as an Abbasid in response to the widespread view of him being Alid.
There is so much in common between the Hadith on Mahdi and events during the Abbasid revolution. The Abbasid fighters raised black flags or banners, and starting with overthrow of the Omayyad governors, the Abbasid built their rebellion from Khorasan spreading the revolution to the rest of the empire. They claimed legitimacy to power by declaring to be descendant of Muhammad. Several Hadith on Mahdi speaks of an army from Syria mounting against him. Why Syria? Because the capital of the Ummayad Empire was Damascus, Syria. The first Abbasid caliph, adopted the title "Al Saffah"(The Generous), this was one of the alternate names of the Mahdi. He was even addressed directly as "Al Mahdi" by his poet.
https//books.google.com.ng/books?id=QJU3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1232&lpg=PA1232&dq=expedition+of+Kalb&source=bl&ots=5uWTruPDyu&sig=kINeNgLfrc7KhUu_xhYyI7BfeVg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=grlAVcePKYTpaOmUgLgD&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=expedition%20of%20Kalb&f=false
That is just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much that have been swept under the rug. Eventually, you realize that the Hadith prophesying the Mahdi were either fabricated during the Abbasid revolution or after it in order to lend credit to the claim of the Abbasid.
Oh dang, Baghdadi missed the opportunity to name himself Mahadi. Israel should have created the crisis in Afghanistan. Then he would have got support from the sectarians. Hadith would have purely supported him
"If you see the Black Banners coming from Khurasan go to them immediately, even if you must crawl over ice, because indeed amongst them is the Caliph, Al Mahdi."Don't be so sure, ISIS already invoked the Mahdi. Several Hadith on the descent of the Mahdi also foretells an army from Syria mounting against him. With black flags, from the East and Asaad and his military mounting against them, ISIS consider themselves fulfilling a prophesy with Asaad as the Dajjal and perhaps Baghdadi as the Mahdi. Hey, do you even know that Baghdadi claims lineage lineage to Muhammad 's Family?
I checked the answers. I am familiar with the users who gave them. What the hell is this?
No. Islam does not kill apostates for leaving the faith. It kills traitors and criminals who try to leave the faith to escape punishment or attempt to claim asylum elsewhere. ???
But majority of them are just "talking". If you go to their other answers you will see they don't abide by what they are saying.Their answers were deceptive or ignorant at best. I wanted to see the caliber of Muslims we have in that section, so i decided putting them to test. For instance, i asked them if Islam ordains moderation when punishing criminals and they all responded affirmatively. Next, i asked them if Islam rules amputation for theft and they all accepted that as the penalty for theft. How in the the name of God is amputating a thief 's limb for stealing a bicycle a moderate penalty and not excessive or overkill?
Sectarians pay attention to every petty law that the clergy dictate, consequently neglecting moral principles like Justice, moderation, objectivity or accountability outlined in the Qur'an.
Nay, I don't find scholars interesting especially when they don't question the authenticity of hadiths while portraying themselves as liberal. I can't take that "moderate" and liberal Muslim" thing seriously at all mate. We are either rational or irrational Muslim.
All right, what do you think of Khalid Abou El Fadl? He is the only sectarian scholar that managed to intrigue me so far. It takes a lot for a scholar to come out openly and question the authenticity of Hadith. You know what it resulted for Rashad Khalifa, Ahmed Subhy Mansur, Edip Yuksel or Kassim Ahmed.
Additionally, Qur'an alone isn't a well known yet. We still have a lot to do in spreading the message. And there is a lot to learn on stumbling upon it, if you are unwilling to think outside the box, you ''ll ignore or mock it as most sectarians and even non-Muslims do. The first time i encountered Qur'an alone idea was online but i overlooked it unaware that it present the most rational, noble and beautiful message interpretaion of Islam.
Then, like most traditionalists i was ignorant of terrible teachings from Tafsir and Hadith books. As a sectarian overridden with guilt for not growing my beard, not fasting twice weekly, letting my trousers beyond my ankles, listening to music e.t.c, months later, i decided to download Sahih Bukhari, read and comply with the Hadith for good. In short, ironically, this only culminated in my eventual disillusion with Hadith and reform to Qur'an alone.
I really wonder what traditionalists mean when they say Qanta Ahmed's support for Israel is connected to liberal Muslim thing. Here in California, plenty of people, universities and public schools are against Israel. But they are not even Muslim.
As long as you stand for the two state solution and condemn the theocratic, tyrannic regimes in the Middle East as well as the Islamist ideology of of Hamas, it is hard not to sympathize with Israel. Support for Israel is not synonymous to support for all her massacre of Palestinians and occupation of their land. On the flip side, as u implied, support for Israel is not even a sure sign of liberalism. I regard Qanta Ahmed a liberal Muslim due to her secular, democratic and Islamic reformist views.
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I really wonder what traditionalists mean when they say Qanta Ahmed's support for Israel is connected to liberal Muslim thing. Here in California, plenty of people, universities and public schools are against Israel. But they are not even Muslim.
Which is exactly the reason to why non-Muslims can become BETTER than Muslims. Qanta Ahmed's opinion is just as backward as the opinion of an American apologist making excuses for American warcrimes. I live in Sweden and many non-Muslims support Palestine while idiotic 'Muslims' probaly support either Israel or an Islamic State.
This is the reason to why I'm not bound to respect other Muslims. Indeed any Muslim opposing the state of Palestine can go to hell. Any Muslim that supports the Islamic State can go to hell too. Islam is indeed filled with idiots and sadly anybody can convert to Islam. Anybody can consider themselves a Muslim and then give the religion a terrible name. Should we care? Nope. Not at all. Let these morons consider themselves Muslims. Their religion is irrelevant. If they oppose the Arab countries then I as a Muslim definently support the Arab world in retaliating against these morons. Islam should be removed from state too.
You should look at South-Asia the amount of billions of dollars that flows to the region. It is only flowing to the enemies of Arab nationalism. Both Islamists and Pro-Israelies who do not deserve these funds. Send these funds to the Iraqi people as they are becoming refugees because of the sh'tty Islamic State that is massacring Iraqis, Syrians and Kurds. Do not send billions of dollars to India or Afghanistan but spend them on the Arab nations is what the Arab leaders should do. Sadly because these nations are somehow considered 'Muslim' they are given these billions of dollars. My point is that Muslims are being valued over others which is totally wrong. As proven Islam contains a lot of morons and Muslims in the Arab countries should not be given special privileges.
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As long as you stand for the two state solution and condemn the theocratic, tyrannic regimes in the Middle East as well as the Islamist ideology of of Hamas, it is hard not to sympathize with Israel. Support for Israel is not synonymous to support for all her massacre of Palestinians and occupation of their land. On the flip side, as u implied, support for Israel is not even a sure sign of liberalism. I regard Qanta Ahmed a liberal Muslim due to her secular, democratic and Islamic reformist views.
You make it sound like as if Israel and Islamism is somehow contradictional. It is not. Again and again, Israel considers itself a Jewish nation just like the Islamists from for example the Islamic State consider themselves a 'Muslim' state. The only minor difference is that Israel is using democracy and secularism to sugarcoat its own history and state.
And yes supporting Israel is the same thing as supporting the ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians, hence it is a middle-finger to the Palestinians. Israel was built on ethnic-cleansing eighty percent of the Palestinian population. And no Israel is definently not even a sign of liberalism. Qanta Ahmed is just as moronic as the average Islamist. She is really an idiotic 'Muslim'. She can shove her religious ideology up her arse. Nobody cares about her religious ideology. How does Qanta Ahmed carry liberal views when she is supporting a Jewish homeland? What moronic Qanta Ahmed is supporting http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_rl0N1IJv-p8/SWv8D-CLGcI/AAAAAAAAEKs/VuD8p4HGe9E/s400/006+see+Israel+what+you+done+to+a+Palestinian+child.jpg (18+ Brutal picture)
Thank God I grew up in a secular society that offers the best education in the world. I do not have to listen to these 'Muslim reformer' asshats letalone Islamists who are equally as garbage and warmongering. I do not support Palestine because the majority Palestinians are Muslims but rather because facts show that Palestinians belong in that land.
"Support a two state solution" With whom? European Jews? Europeans that escaped their brethren's attrocities? Why does no 'Muslim reformer' mention that? Too ashamed to mention European warcrimes that trippled Europes debts with trillions worth of damage? In any case it should be a Palestinian state. European Jews were 'guests' in Palestine and therefor this two state solution is BS. They Immigrated- They were Guests in Palestine- Now they want a two-state solution.
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Who is playing the game of asking endless questions is more than obvious in the above example.
I have only one question for you... asking for the third time... not what Israel did or Malaysia did... my question is what you yourself meant with the word "same" in the below statement
The registration number of the plane found in Tel Aviv was same to what?
If you think some link that you shared already explains what "same" means here... let's say I am naive and stupid.. I did not get it... I would like you to directly answer this. Hope it is not too much for asking clarification of your own statement.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanThe registration number of the plane found in Tel Aviv was same to what?
Aha, you think that you have caught something important to put me down. But no, you didn't D because you know very well that the acquired plane's number was weirdly changed before sending it to Tel Aviv. And guess what? The change basically showed that even after being in Israel, my America owned the plane. Israeli aircraft's registration number/id begins with 4X and American aircraft's begins with N. The numbers are country specific (can be changed only if bought/leased by another country). Malaysia's numbers begin with 9m. Hence, I needed the older page of the two planes. Actually, every plane has its own page. Only those two oddly shared the same one.
You admit being naive and stupid but at the same time you come up with the idea that researching and looking into conspiracy theories is a devil's tool, etc. So we have to assume here that you are following double standard with the aim to supress freedom of thought and speech. I gave you the questions to ponder upon while you asked here questions that can be easily answered through your own research. Examples
Who found the plane? How was the ?same registration number? discovered? How does this observation link Zionists with hijack of Malaysian planes and planned terrorist attack? Can you bring 3 witnesses who will stand by this claim in a court of law?
If you cannot (and never will you do) then think again if such a claim is good enough justification for you to place such serious blames of plane hijack, homicide and attempted terrorist attack on another community? How would you react if someone blamed some ?Muslims? (say the pilots themselves) for planning terrorist attack based on such flimsy stories?
Then will you not fear Allah, who is our Master and their Master - who is not unjust by an atom's weight?
You already behaved like nothing outside my links exists and of course, you didn't visit all of them. Thats quite a deception considering the fact that you are using something called INTERNET to view this thread. You have plenty of keywords here to research on. You cunningly avoided Operation Northwood and this
I have something special for this
Many many years ago, a bizarre book was published. The writer in it claimed that when she was a little kid church people and the rich abused her. She also claimed that these nuns and priests down the Los Angeles worshiped the satan, sacrificed humans, ate raw meat of what not, did all sorts of sexual stuffs as rituals, etc. The woman then went onto saying that she was mind controlled by her parents, our US army people, Disney and Hollywood people to become prostitute for the rich and powerful.
Do you think its nonsense?
Do you know why I asked you about this? Because I myself found it rubbish. The name of the book is Thanks for the Memories. I believed not a thing from it. But then this happened
http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984529/Cabinet-office-child-abuse-cover-MoS-beats-attempt-No10-gag-VIP-file-shows-Thatcher-knew-paedophile-MP-Cyril-Smith.html
http//vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/children-describe-satanic-ritual-abuse-sacrifice-video/My intention behind giving you that is simple don't criticize something without knowing why it is here. Of course, you are not gonna bother to keep it in mind because so far you have proved that its not your true goal. You already told me
At this point I may have failed to convince you
and even ignored my
I was only trying to imply that you need to keep an open mind.
You seem to target only the criticisms and questions we Muslims raise while ignoring the false info trolls post to this forum to prove that Islam is horrible. You find issue in our comments about Israel, but you are fully fine when an ignorant christian twists verses of Quran to prove that it is violent. I don't know what your agenda is. But I do see you trying to dehumanize us truth seekers by using the same weapon that hadith lovers, zionists and the rest of extremists use to shut the mouth of those who question them about their authenticity.
The formula is simple If they don't listen just call them sinners. Ex
Saying 9/11 was done by government equals to saying holocaust never happenedsheikhs of alazhar quranists are apostates; and the evidence from the holy book proves their guilt
Now you
But resorting to counter propaganda is not and cannot be an ethical response to that. ESPECIALLY not from a Qur'anic point of view. And those who indulge in this dirty game, I'll call them neither Quranist nor righteous.
Once again I am not sure you are understanding what I am saying here. Spreading "conspiracy theories" may not be an act of physical violance, but quite frequently it can be considered a form of information violance.
We in the western world have seen how history is written by the victors. One great example of this is here
Boston Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Was Shot in Face, Say Doctors
This one is epic. Court documents talk about the shots. It also has picture of the guy in blood.
The most serious injury appeared to be a gunshot wound that entered through the inside of his mouth and out through the left side of his face, according to newly released court documents.
Video of patsy/trapped Tsarnaev from August 10th 2013
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDupw8M4A0
I expected to see at least some marks from the wound of gun shots. Strange that his face looks sparkling clean.And last
Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots
Before this news was published, conspiracy theorists found plenty of stuffs that showed involvement of FBI,CIA and Mossad in terrorist attacks. So newspapers telling it now isn't a biggie.We Americans experience the atrocity nicely described by Mossad agent here
https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcThZM0I2PY0wvfr33CxQBLBOfnxBjCnJeNKIBURw2sS9jNajtopThat's what we get from a country that ate up trillions of our tax money. We have been subjects of their unethical medical experiments. They have hijacked our government. We live in fear everyday because they don't mind attacking us. Even last week my school got a shooting threat. Investigation is still on.
Hence, it would be a waste of your time if you still go on trying to convince us that we are wrong in researching for truth.
Which is exactly the reason to why non-Muslims can become BETTER than Muslims. Qanta Ahmed's opinion is just as backward as the opinion of an American apologist making excuses for American warcrimes. I live in Sweden and many non-Muslims support Palestine while idiotic 'Muslims' probaly support either Israel or an Islamic State.
I really feel lucky that I live in California. This is one of the few states that has many thoughtful people.
You should look at South-Asia the amount of billions of dollars that flows to the region.
Yep the checks are written mainly by Saudi and British royals. It never surprised me. My tax money is sent to Israel.
Both Islamists and Pro-Israelies who do not deserve these funds.
I was once talking to a southasian Muslim teen. He mentioned that in his country, lots of weird Islamist groups were forming and they were all sponsored by the Brits. Its just the same old tactic of divide and conquer.
See? That is clear example of cherry picking Hadith. Most sectarians realize if they were to keep this Hadith, they can't have TV in their homes or even family photos in their smartphones, hence they quietly by-passed the Hadith. Ironically, these same sectarians will write me off for owning a flute. This puritan, self-righteous mindset among sectarians is unhealthy.
Double standard at best! To make things worse, they want to refute us, but most often don't know how to do this. I saw in sunni and shia forums people asking how they can combat the Quran followers. Its just so hilarious. They have no idea about the religion, but they are alarmed and disgusted by someone's belief in Quran alone. rotfl
First, Mahdi as a prophesy was unknown to Muslims for about the first century of Islam, you can start with Wikipedia. If Mahdi was a true Islamic prophesy that we are still awaiting, no event in the past would match it before it is fulfilled. This is not the case with this prophesy.
Sometime during the oppressive century-long period of Umayyad rule, the idea of a messianic Mahdi became popular amongst rival Alid and Abbasids (descendants of Ali and Abbas, respectively) and their supporters. Abbasid propaganda in favour of their eventual overthrow of Umayyad rule included many references to the Mahdi, including fabricated hadiths claiming him as an Abbasid in response to the widespread view of him being Alid.
There is so much in common between the Hadith on Mahdi and events during the Abbasid revolution. The Abbasid fighters raised black flags or banners, and starting with overthrow of the Omayyad governors, the Abbasid built their rebellion from Khorasan spreading the revolution to the rest of the empire. They claimed legitimacy to power by declaring to be descendant of Muhammad. Several Hadith on Mahdi speaks of an army from Syria mounting against him. Why Syria? Because the capital of the Ummayad Empire was Damascus, Syria. The first Abbasid caliph, adopted the title "Al Saffah"(The Generous), this was one of the alternate names of the Mahdi. He was even addressed directly as "Al Mahdi" by his poet.
https//books.google.com.ng/books?id=QJU3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1232&lpg=PA1232&dq=expedition+of+Kalb&source=bl&ots=5uWTruPDyu&sig=kINeNgLfrc7KhUu_xhYyI7BfeVg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=grlAVcePKYTpaOmUgLgD&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=expedition%20of%20Kalb&f=false
That is just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much that have been swept under the rug. Eventually, you realize that the Hadith prophesying the Mahdi were either fabricated during the Abbasid revolution or after it in order to lend credit to the claim of the Abbasid.
Oh my God, this just proves the long history of propaganda. Thank you so much for the link. I will continue researching more on this topic. )
Don't be so sure, ISIS already invoked the Mahdi. Several Hadith on the descent of the Mahdi also foretells an army from Syria mounting against him. With black flags, from the East and Asaad and his military mounting against them, ISIS consider themselves fulfilling a prophesy with Asaad as the Dajjal and perhaps Baghdadi as the Mahdi. Hey, do you even know that Baghdadi claims lineage lineage to Muhammad 's Family?
Now its getting clearer. I actually did read Sunnis saying that Assad was dajjal. Back then I didn't know from where it came. Baghdadi aka Mr Elliot is too young to be Mahdi rotfl Shias and now some Sunnis believe Mahadi never died P But lets see how far ISIS takes it. Middle East has turned it into a laughing stock
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nigZzgf4YSomeone even has a parody account of baghdadi on twitter
https//twitter.com/hamerhaai_hiha
The tweets are funny as hell. I wish it was updated.
rotflObama, the military Adviser of Baghdadi
http//www.mrctv.org/videos/obama-calls-isis-caliphate-my-friend-and-ally-iraqi-comedic-sketch
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjaSGXmUjWI
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0Gu0PlNjITheir answers were deceptive or ignorant at best. I wanted to see the caliber of Muslims we have in that section, so i decided putting them to test. For instance, i asked them if Islam ordains moderation when punishing criminals and they all responded affirmatively. Next, i asked them if Islam rules amputation for theft and they all accepted that as the penalty for theft. How in the the name of God is amputating a thief 's limb for stealing a bicycle a moderate penalty and not excessive or overkill?
Sectarians pay attention to every petty law that the clergy dictate, consequently neglecting moral principles like Justice, moderation, objectivity or accountability outlined in the Qur'an.
Some people over there are like zombies. They support sharia laws. Hence they gave you such stupid answers. But I have been noticing a rise in support for such brutal laws. I truly find it strange. But yeah, sectarians tend to prefer clergies' explanations over what Quran says. Zakir Naik has almost turned "divine". Now whatever he says seems to be taken as "holy truth".
All right, what do you think of Khalid Abou El Fadl? He is the only sectarian scholar that managed to intrigue me so far. It takes a lot for a scholar to come out openly and question the authenticity of Hadith. You know what it resulted for Rashad Khalifa, Ahmed Subhy Mansur, Edip Yuksel or Kassim Ahmed.
The only thing I knew about him was that he was appointed by Bush. But now that you asked I checked out some of his stuffs. He has many valid points about hadiths, but most of it has been already pointed out by those who follow Quran only. I wish he would take it farther though. Let's pray that he doesn't get assassinated or jailed like the ones you mentioned above.
Additionally, Qur'an alone isn't a well known yet. We still have a lot to do in spreading the message. And there is a lot to learn on stumbling upon it, if you are unwilling to think outside the box, you ''ll ignore or mock it as most sectarians and even non-Muslims do. The first time i encountered Qur'an alone idea was online but i overlooked it unaware that it present the most rational, noble and beautiful message interpretaion of Islam.
I agree with you. The awareness hasn't fully blossomed. I did find a few "Quranist" pages on facebook, but was disappointed to see them extremely busy with the atrocities of sectarians. Yes, we all know they caused violence. There is no need to repeat it on and on. What we need is the display of ayats that fobid sects, hadiths and clarification of those that have been distorted. Only the personal websites put them beautifully.
Then, like most traditionalists i was ignorant of terrible teachings from Tafsir and Hadith books. As a sectarian overridden with guilt for not growing my beard, not fasting twice weekly, letting my trousers beyond my ankles, listening to music e.t.c, months later, i decided to download Sahih Bukhari, read and comply with the Hadith for good. In short, ironically, this only culminated in my eventual disillusion with Hadith and reform to Qur'an alone.
lol, I went through the same. I was shamed for not wearing hijab. I was an object of hate for my Islam studies teachers for not fasting when I was 6 -. My mom although was liberal and hated hijab used to tell me how girls who wore burka were far better than me.
Isn't it amazing how these man made books make a religion/deen harder? Satanism is purely written all over them. You know it isn't easy to be follower of satan? But Allah makes things simple.
Yes, they round you up by putting it up to you to bring a full theory or proofs of everything that it has been done any way they fancy you think it was done and forget very conviently that in fact people, questioning people do not have to bring up proof of anything at all, because it is the state adminsitration, the "rulers" who command all the budgets for the purpose those who should do that job, and the ruled do not have neither those means nor that power nor have bought the press for themselves, and the only thing the ruled ones have to do to demand that justice be done is to point the flaws or indeed the impossibility that what their authorities say happenned CANNOT HAVE HAPPENNED.
Herd mentality will never understand this. Its creepy to see the extreme amount of trust they put on media.
And indeed the 911 events CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED the way we were told by the authorities. THE LAWS OF PHYSICS FORBIT IT. Many other laws forbid it too, but, the point was not to convince people of the truth of such nonsense but to convince the people that their part in life is to asent and consent to anythying that is imposed on them, and forget about anything making sense. That was clear looking at oily Tony Blair with a big oily smile conceding that he had lied but that that was the way things are.
Laws of photoshop and consistent journalism were also broken rotfl
Therefore, if you cannot fight them, join them... Seems to be the moto for some people. What is more revolting is that for that they put up big morals grandstandings attempting to manipulate the guilty complex which most people tend to have. And most of the time, they have it very easy.
Salaam
Thanks for such a great explanation sis. You have put it all out in the open. Its just so visible in sheeples' arguments that i now truly fail to take them seriously.
Guys, I will be gone for two weeks because of exams '( and an idiotic project due within 9 days -[. I had fun with the circus and truth brought to table here. If you have more to post do it without hesitation. When I come back I will respond to it.
peace
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To all readers of this thread
Since sister Reel has already confirmed, she is not going to mend her ways because that would go against her Masters studies ? so instead of addressing her, I am presenting the case below for personal consideration of each of you.
On this very thread sister Reel presented a conspiracy theory. Her prepositions are as follows
After 9/11, conspiracy theories stopped two Zionist driven terrorist attack from happening by sharing of information. Ex Olympic bombing and 9/11 kind of attack again in NY with the twin of the Malaysian plane that went missing last year. The pilots all around the world began investigating the case. Eventually they found out that a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv.
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Overlooking the number of bizarre claims that she is making in one sentence, I draw your attention to her claim about the ?the twin of the Malaysian plane?? she is suspecting the Zonist connection to this attack based on the claim that someone discovered a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv.
When I asked for more details, she flooded me with internet links. After carefully going through the links I learnt that in 2013, GA Telesis, a company with demonstrated Israeli connection acquired a Boeing 777 model aircraft from Malaysian Airlines for dismantling. The transaction was made public with a press release (Ref 1). The original registration number of the aircraft was 9M-MRI, which after the title transfer was re-registered as N105GT (Ref 2). Apparently the company, instead of dismantling the aircraft right away has kept it intact at Tel Aviv. The company management did not respond to journalist?s request to comment on why they delayed the dismantling. (Ref 3)
These are pretty much the ?facts? surrounding the allegation. Does the above sound provocatively suspicious in view of the Malaysian plane (both Boeing 777) incidents? Perhaps it does. Does it prove or demonstrate Israeli connection to the Malaysian airline crash and/or a planned terrorist attack? No, of course it doesn?t. Claiming any such connection solely based on the above facts would be purely speculative ? no responsible media outlet will take such speculation seriously, nor will any court of law or any scholarly undertaking.
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say about such speculative stories.
496 O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.
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4911 O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
4912 O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.
4913 O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
(Translation by Sahih International)
Well, if the ?speculation? was not bad enough? our enthusiastic sister managed to upgrade herself to yet another level when her willingness to bolster her speculation, knowingly or unknowingly, made her pick the words ??with the same registration number?.
As I mentioned earlier the old registration number of the transferred aircraft was 9M-MRI (new registration number N105GT), whereas the two Malaysian Airlines aircrafts that recently crashed / was shot down had the registration numbers 9M-MRO and 9M-MRD respectively.
So, the plane seen at Tel Aviv has the same registration number as WHAT? Actually nothing. It was a false claim personally cooked-up by our beloved sister to make her story sound more interesting. When an unsuspecting gullible reader reads the words ?a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv? doesn?t it have a wow factor! Surely two planes are not supposed to have same registration number ? so if a plane with same registration number as that of another crashed plane was found in Tel Aviv it does prove something deeply fishy was going on! But the truth is - this claim of ?same registration number? is a big fat lie? carefully punched into the story to make it sound convincing.
Then what is our take on the below commandment from Qur?an
242 And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know .
(Translation by Sahih International)
Or do we say the above verse only applies to children of Israel, and for the rest of us mixing the truth with falsehood is halal?
Blind blame game for some people is only good if directed against the defenceless, Palestine, for instance. When directed against the powerful it is absolutely obnoxious and evil and confounds people. Who should be good sheep and not stray off the herd.
Here comes the big words of wisdom from one of the oldest member of the forum. On sister Reel?s defense, she was only trying to help the cause of the ?defenseless? persecuted Palestinians. In face of all the falsehood and injustice thrown upon the children of Palestine ? a little bit of fabrication, a little bit of exaggeration to expose the powerful Zionists ?monsters? should be okay, right?
No, WRONG again.
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say on the matter
4135 O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort or refuse , then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.
(Translation by Sahih International)
So, the underlying principle is? we have to stand by justice and truth. We must not follow our inclination to support whom we perceive as poor / weak / vulnerable and thereby distort the truth.
Allah is our Master and their Master and He is not unjust by an atom?s weight.
Those of you who are studying Qur?an carefully, may have already noticed? Qur?an does not only prohibit falsehood, it takes the evils of falsehood as an underlying assumption to build up its logic. For example let?s consider this verse
210 In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie.
(Translation by Sahih International)
Look how the verse assumes that the reader understands that ?to lie? is a sin, and Allah is justified to increase the ?disease? of the liars.
The stance of Qur?an against falsehood is clear and unambiguous. Falsehood does not enter the Qur?an from the front or from the back or from right or from left. There is no way one can seek the path of intentional falsehood and fabrication as a ?strategy? (against the weak, the strong, the rich, the poor whatever) and still hope to be guided by Qur?an.
The purpose of this long post is not to analyze whether or not Israel had any role in Malaysian plane incidents. (If they really hand a hand behind it, I have faith that my Master will one day bring the truth to broad daylight ? but as of now, there is no justification to promote such flimsy speculations.) Rather my purpose here is to put our own behavior under the microscope. The fight of falsehood by falsehood, propaganda by propaganda is running for ages. Aren?t we, the members of this forum, supposed to strive to break this vicious circle with truth and justice? If we allow ourselves to indulge in spreading of fabricated stories and speculation, what moral ground do we have to challenge the fabrication brought forward by the Zionists or the ISIS camp? let alone the Bukhari & Co? Those of you who claim to follow Qur?an only.. is it enough that we carry ?Qur?an only? label? Or, do we need to follow the Quranic principles of truth, justice and impartiality in our own words and actions to justify such a claim?
As for the carrier of fire-wood (hamma latal hatab), surely she will have her own twisted rope around her neck.
So, cease. It is better for you, if you understand.But if you don?t? and if you still feel inclined to seek your refuge in these meaningless game of falsehood and propaganda, then bear witness (on the day of judgment), that someone did warn you against such behavior.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanReference 1 http//www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-disassembles-boeing-777-200er-767-200er-and-757-200er/
Reference 2 http//www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis.php
Reference 3 https//jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/why-is-a-twin-of-the-missing-mh370-in-a-hanger-in-israel-by-chris-bollyn/ -
We already know member armanaziz is a staunch attacker of what he calls conspiracy theories or theorists and that he will go to any lengths to ridicule those to whom he attributes such ?oh, my God! so horrible misdeed. His own conspiracy theories are not negligible, but they are pointed against the powerless not against the powerful, so he is safe. But the opposite makes people into sinners, like in this case, sister reel.
If he finally has found the solution to the airplanes riddle that reel put up to him just looking at the links reel gave him, why didn't he do that from the beginning and answered accordingly and has thus kept the discussion going without opposing anything of substance, and now when he finally has taken the trouble to read the links he grandstands and tries to put reel on the stage for ridicule.
I have not read into any link not have investigated this matter, although previously I have investigated too many matters to ignore the fact that our virtuous authorities play games with us and lie to us big way. So without going into this particular question, in general I find the attitude of member armanziz with his pious grandstanding not particularly likeable and if what is at stake is merely the question of those planes, out of place . So I suppose that is not the question, but that the question is something bigger, the question is to indict people who get too bold in dennouncing the ways of the powerful in order to mislead and destroy the peoples morally and materially.
Sister reel and I have disagreed on this forum on some questions and I suppose we will still disagree on questions in the future but I see no reason to put people at the stake and pillory them because they commit the sin of saying what some wouldbe gurus consider "bad taste", or "sin"... or whatever dictates this mock morality sprung from anonymous sources that people are being brainwashed with.
Salaam
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Well, I think Arman should accept the conspiracy THEORY without calling someone a liar. Reel is probably basing her articles on research on what she can find and not intentional lying if that is the case.
That Israel is behaving suspiciously is no news. But it is actually superiority and money involved and wealthy Jewish families. Israel is not controlled by a government, it is just a puppet for wealthy controllers. And Jewish families are indeed controlling large corporations all over the world. It has little to do with religion though, but more about greed and desire for control. It is a delusion that governments are unbiased because wealthy citizens affect the politics. The USA is very affected. People think they are free but in fact they are not but slaves to propaganda.
If there stands an supposed-to-be dismantled airliner in Tel Aviv, then this is nothing strange because Israel has a lot of weird ongoings.
In 9/11 it was also strange that thousands of Jewish workers were called off that day.
The thing has little to do with religion but it is about capitalism and nationalism and the mega corporations do not benefit from a stable middle-east.Also Western nations are hypocritical in selling arms to unstable countries like Saudi-Arabia who are involved in idiotic religious wars. Especially the ancient Shia-Sunni conflict that has been going on for a thousand years. They support the spread of their sects by any means.
Islam Islam is the worst crap of the world based entirely on something else and not Quran.
Salaan
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You make it sound like as if Israel and Islamism is somehow contradictional. It is not. Again and again, Israel considers itself a Jewish nation just like the Islamists from for example the Islamic State consider themselves a 'Muslim' state. The only minor difference is that Israel is using democracy and secularism to sugarcoat its own history and state.
Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
And yes supporting Israel is the same thing as supporting the ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians, hence it is a middle-finger to the Palestinians. Israel was built on ethnic-cleansing eighty percent of the Palestinian population. And no Israel is definently not even a sign of liberalism. Qanta Ahmed is just as moronic as the average Islamist. She is really an idiotic 'Muslim'. She can shove her religious ideology up her arse. Nobody cares about her religious ideology. How does Qanta Ahmed carry liberal views when she is supporting a Jewish homeland? What moronic Qanta Ahmed is supporting http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_rl0N1IJv-p8/SWv8D-CLGcI/AAAAAAAAEKs/VuD8p4HGe9E/s400/006+see+Israel+what+you+done+to+a+Palestinian+child.jpg (18+ Brutal picture)
Analogically, we can as well conclude that supporting Palestine is tantamount to supporting Hamas and her militant ideology, isn't that right? You know, am anything but impressed by your vehement attack on some fellow based on a single view of hers. It is like judging a book by a single line. See here is another thing, you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white, it is far from that. Qanta has specially stated that her sympathy lies on both sides. Unfortunately, we live in a world where however hard you try not to take side, you still end up offending someone.
Thank God I grew up in a secular society that offers the best education in the world. I do not have to listen to these 'Muslim reformer' asshats letalone Islamists who are equally as garbage and warmongering. I do not support Palestine because the majority Palestinians are Muslims but rather because facts show that Palestinians belong in that land.
Good, then i hope your support extends to the Kurds. Don't you see it? We are too carried away by Palestinian plight to listen to the Kurds the largest nation without a state or homeland. For nearly a century the Kurds have strove fruitlessly to reclaim their state; Kurdistan, currently occupied by Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, sometimes resorting to revolt but most time the Kurds have tried resolving it peacefully. How many of us dare raise this issue of ethnic cleansing of Kurds and occupation of their land by Arabs and Turks, how many of us are even aware of this age old injustice???
Paece!
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Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
Not a reason to sugarcoat its own history and state with democracy letalone secularism. Israel is not secular as it consider itself a Jewish nation which contradicts secularism. As for Israels neighboors they have a history better than Israel. Most of Israels neighboors are being pained in the arse by the West and its friendly 'regimes' that funds religious extremism both directly and 'indirectly'. The founding father of Israel was a European descending from Europeans that trippled their region with trillions worth of damage with the worst human rights record. Many Israelies ascendans AKA European Jews were supporting Stalin, a warmongering European terrorist that starved nine million Ukranians to death as well as causing the rape of up to two million German women.
You fail to mention the fact that those who are destroying Israels neighboors are Israels friends. Syria had a much better history than Israel ever had. Prior to becoming a part of the Arab United Republic, Syria had a democracy based on socialism when the Communist party took power. Regardless you should not use democracy to sugarcoat Israels own state.
Analogically, we can as well conclude that supporting Palestine is tantamount to supporting Hamas and her militant ideology, isn't that right? You know, am anything but impressed by your vehement attack on some fellow based on a single view of hers. It is like judging a book by a single line. See here is another thing, you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white, it is far from that. Qanta has specially stated that her sympathy lies on both sides. Unfortunately, we live in a world where however hard you try not to take side, you still end up offending someone.
It's not. Many that fought against Israel were Arab leftists and secularists. The PLO was started by a Palestinian Christian named George Habash. One of the major reasons to why Hamas came to power in Gaza was because they provided charity work in the region. When someone had their home bombed by Israeli missiles or something, Hamas gave him money to rebuild his/her home, so when election day came, he/she voted Hamas. Once they got the political power, they would do everything to secure that power and stay in power. The fact is that Hamas did not exist during the Arab-Israeli wars and most Arabs that were fighting against Israel were Arab Muslim and Christian socialists and other leftists and most were secularists. Israel assassinated many Palestinian Christian and Muslim secular politicians.
Yes I'm definently attacking this Muslim moron. She is one of those Western arse-kissing Muslims. She reminds me of those Muslims that points out the fact that Palestinians are suffering in Yarmouk but fail to point out that Israel brought them there in the first place. These Muslims do this due to their pro-Israel views. They are biased and a bunch of liars. They do not care about the Palestinians but only do it to divert attention from Israeli warcrimes.
"you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white" Yes that's exactly what I do. I look at it as black and white. Qanta is a hilarious pro-Western Muslim tool that is only supporting Israel to sugarcoat her own ideology. It's a way for some Muslims to have their own ideology approved by Western asshats. As long as you kiss the arse of the West, your ideology is moderate. Pro-Israel Muslims are about as biased as Hirsi Ali (A sh'tty Somalian terrorist that is living on European welfare) towards Palestinians.
And no I definently do not take Israels side. My Palestinian grandfather was a Jew, my roots is from Tiberias (Stolen by Israhell) in Palestine and my father studied in Soviet Russia as a Civil engineer during the Cold war. Many of my cousins are ethnically Europeans. The fact is that Jews have no right to establish their own homeland. They escaped their own brethrens attrocities and another fact is that they are adherents of a religion called Judaism and are NOT an ethnicity letalone a nationality and that is what we are not taking into consideration. Europe suffered trillions dollars worth of damage. Why do Muslims such as you not mention that? Why not mention that Allies along with the Soviet Union raped up to two million German women? Why not mention that if European Jews should have to establish their own homeland it should not be in Palestine but rather in Europe? Why not mention the fact that Israel has no right to exist as the people that formed it were Jews who hilariously thought that 'Jew' is an ethnicity when it is an adherent of a primitive religion called Judaism. In reality, there is no such thing as Jewish homeland and has never been. They are refering to an Israelite homeland but the Israelites died out thousands of years ago just like many other nationalities that died out as well as others conquered the country and imposed their own language and traditions on the inhabitants. These are the Palestinians today.
Pro-Israel Muslims are ashamed on the European Jewish history. Stop generalising Palestinians just because you dislike religious idelogies. The hatred towards religious idelogies should not affect our opinion on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And yes the majority Palestinians are Muslims today but remember that these people use to belong to many different religion prior to Islam entering Jerusalem. Judaism and Christiany were one of them. That still doesn't make them your slaves and never will.
Good, then i hope your support extends to the Kurds. Don't you see it? We are too carried away by Palestinian plight to listen to the Kurds the largest nation without a state or homeland. For nearly a century the Kurds have strove fruitlessly to reclaim their state; Kurdistan, currently occupied by Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, sometimes resorting to revolt but most time the Kurds have tried resolving it peacefully. How many of us dare raise this issue of ethnic cleansing of Kurds and occupation of their land by Arabs and Turks, how many of us are even aware of this age old injustice???
Nice try, and I do. If you read my older posts you'll see that I'm against dictators such as Saddam and I definently support the Kurds against the Islamic State. However I do not support a divided Iraq. I support Iraq as a united country. The term 'Iraqi' is a nationality ment to absorb Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians and many other ethnicities regardless of religion and gender. Some Kurds want to destroy this unity which I'm totally against. They want to destroy this nationality because of greed and nationalism. However the Kurds are trying to establish their own homeland thinking they are native to the land. The Iraqi people are an arabised people that have equally as much right to the land as them. In reality, Syria and Iraq are in control of their own land. Indeed these Arabs used to be of many ethnicites before they became Arabs and they used to be one of the natives as well. So in reality, they aren't really 'occupying' anything. European Jews AKA Israelies are occupying Palestine on the otherhand. Arabs have never ethnic-cleansed unlike Europeans infact Arabs have always been good at absorbing people. When Crusaders were defeated in Jerusalem, they were absorbed and became known as 'Arabs' without being slaughtered for their own ethnicity. Some Arabs were Kurds, some were Europeans, some were Persians, and so on. This is why some Arabs are black, some are tan-skinned and some are white. Many of them were Arabised and orgiante from different countries. In reality, most Arabs do not descend from Saudi-Arabia but descend from the local regions they were born in. Only bedouins are likely to have ancestry back to Saudi-Arabia. Many Arabs in the levant are probaly close to the Kurds and this is because they used to belong to ethnicites that were close to the Kurds. What the Kurds should do in my opinion is to accept these nationalities and join the Arabs and contribute to these nations. I do consider the Kurds to be the natives to both Syria and Iraq and I do consider the Syrians and the Iraqis to be equally as native to the land as well. It is the same. There is no one that is more 'native' than the other. The three are equal.
In reality, you do not care about the Kurds you just want to pull all attention from Israel and want to divide Iraq. And the Arab countries used to have tolerance towards Kurds especially when they were rann by Communism which hired many Kurdish intellectuals. The guy who wrote Syrias constitution was a Syrian Kurd. It was only when garbage Neo-Ba'athism took over that the attitude towards the Kurds changed. This is because of nationalism of course. However take into consideration that Kurds weren't the only ones who were being oppressed even Arab Communists and many other leftists were being oppressed and imprisoned by the Neo-Ba'athists. This was a way for them to keep themselves in power while they established dictatorship.
It's Pro-Israel Muslims that could care less about Iraqi Muslims dying at the hand of the Islamic State or any other sh'tty Islamist group. When Hamas fires missiles into Israel many idiotic pro-Israeli 'Muslims' are good at condeming that while they give little attention to the people that are dying at the hands by 'Muslims'. They will only care if they need to sugarcoat their own religion. If any right-winger brings up the Islamic State that is when pro-Israeli Muslims can pull their heads from their arses and start condeming the Islamic State until then they will stick to condeming Hamas more than the Islamic State when the Islamic State is ten times worse. I have seen Muslims that actually condemns Hamas more than they condemn the Islamic State. This is a way for them to have their religious ideology approved by Israel. In reality they do not care about the people that are being killed by the Islamic State (AKA Garbage State or Daesh).
Now you probaly come from South-Asia, correct? If you agree that Israel has the right to do what it does because it is a democracy than obviously a country similar to Israel has the right to occupy South-Asian land and chase out the South-Asians given the fact that South-Asia is a complete failure in terms of politcs. The point is that you need to stop becoming a hypocrite especially when you probaly come from a country that is ten times worse. Why oppose a Palestinian state? The UN and the British admits that the Palestinians owned the majority of the land and outnumbered European Jews in every city while most Jews in Palestine were European Jews that escaped their brethrens attrocities. A small amount were Palestinian Jews and most of these were European Jews that were granted Palestinian citizenship by the British regime illegaly (Indeed in Palestine there came a lot of corruption when the British regime took, hence the attempt of Palestinian revolts). In any case, Britain forced a mass Immigration of European Jews into Palestine. It recruited these Jews into battalions and later on used them as cannonfodder both in Europe and in Palestine. This was a way to fight the Nazis and a way to take down rebellions as well.
I have read Palestinian history. Do not expect me to shut up as a Muslim and do not expect me to respect warmongering Muslims. In every religion there are idiots, the pro-Israel Muslims as well as Western Muslim apologists are one of them. I do consider myself a Sunni but this is only traditional while I have a Qur'anist intrepretation on Islam. I was born one and I will die as one but I could care less about Islam letalone any other religion. As a Muslim I definently believe that Islam should be removed from state. This will definently serve as a middle-finger to all 'Muslim reformer' asshats and all Islamists. My advice on reforming Islam is to remove the Islamists and Western Muslim apologists that are great at covering Western and Israeli warcrimes. They are both of the same coin. Removing them from Islam will cure Islam from the cancer. While I also believe that Islam should be removed from state, I also believe that Islam letalone any other religion should NOT be given any funds at all. Billions of dollars shouldn't be spent on Islam or any other religion infact they should be spent on science, health and education for the countries. The money that is flowing to South-Asia needs to stop because it is not benefiting the Arab world and is only flowing to our enemies (Both Pro-Israelies and Islamists whom are the same garbage). The Arab nations should do what most Arab nations did before which was to establish democracy, only this time not based on Communism but rather on socialism and liberalism were both are mixed with each other but most importantley to establish a parliamentary democracy. The same democratical system as Sweden. Sweden humilates most European nations and Israel in terms of democracy.
But let me assure you that I do not speak out against the Islamic State because I want to improve the reputation of Islam. I speak out against the Islamic State because it is killing and raping others. It is a contradiction towards modern ethics and morals. Anybody that rapes and kills is bad/evil and needs to be thrown into jail. The Islamic State is complete garbage that cowardly carries out terrorist acts against many ethnicites and adherents of religions. Start condeming the Islamic State because it is contradicting modern ethics and morals and not only because it is destroying the reputation of Islam.
The leader of the Islamic State is hiding like a coward giving his morning fatwas in his cave just like Saudi sheikhs and pro-Israeli British 'Muslims'. The Iraqi army have Mi-35 helicopters and Apache helicopters that would blow this terrorist up which is why he is hiding in his cave just like any other Islamist. Many Islamists especially from the IS are great at taking human shield as they fear the Iraqi army. They claim to fear Allah more than the Iraqi army but ironically they run away as soon as they spot an Iraqi Mi-35 helicopter. Do they fear the Iraqi army more than Allah/God? They should. The Islamic State (AKA garbage Islamist/terrorist state) is already being annilihated in Iraq by the Iraqi army.
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Salaam!,
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
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Salaam!,
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
There is no such thing as 'pseudo seeking of justice' and true seeking of justice. And again you can't say 'occupy' given the fact that the Arabs have equally as much right to the land the Kurds. The Arabs for example used to belong to ethnicities that were native to this land prior to being Arabized by Arabs. Now I don't care about the Turks let alone the Persians and therefor I don't speak for them but I know for sure that the Arabs almost Arabized the entire Middle-East.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization
This led to many ingenious people to their land change their identities, language, culture and religion.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
You fail to mention the fact that the Kurds allied themselves at first with Ottoman to massacre Assyrians and later on the Ottoman turned against them and massacred them too. The Assyrians are as pissed on the Kurds and on the Ottoman Empire as the Kurds are on the Ottoman Empire. The Assyrians want their land too but the Kurds are oppressing them. Why do you not mention that? There is no good side. The Kurds aren't 'innocent' in this conflict either. You need to acknowledge that all sides have been equally as bad.
It's not only 'their land' but the land belongs to their neighbors too given the fact that they are both of the same roots. The Syrians or the Iraqis are not some 'Arabs' from Saudi-Arabia but are ingenious people to their own land. Their countries were Arabized a long time ago and their identities, culture, language and religion changed.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
Nope. Read my post again. I clearly said that I'm against Saddam and this is mainly for causing the ethnic-cleansing of the Kurds and even Iraqis too (He killed Iraqis as well as Kurds - e.g the oppression of Iraqi Shias) and I'm against sh'tty empires such as Ottoman for massacring Assyrians, Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I'm against ISIS for attacking and raping others even Yazidis. The Islamic State and the Ottoman is the same garbage, both of them have committed huge atrocities. However the only difference is that the Islamic State is STILL committing atrocities.
The fact that Saddam oppressed Kurds does not give the Kurds the right to divide Iraq. The Kurds could have contributed to Iraq by removing the dictator but instead they not only want to remove the dictator they even want to remove the country which is even a middle-finger to the Iraqi victims of Saddam Hussein. Note that the Kurds have recently been accused of chasing Arab villagers from their homes in Iraq.
What I'm saying is that the Kurds who are taking over Iraqi land thinking that they somehow 'own' the land don't realize that they are taking over the land from a people (i.e. the Iraqis) that belong to ancient ethnicities that have equally as much right to the land and probably more.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
I don't. Iraq is better as a united country than a divided country. This is a fact. Iraq does NOT have theocracy. Saudi-Arabia and the 'moderate regimes' that the West often refers by do. And Kurdistan doesn't really have democracy, the leader there is imprisoning people who share different political opinions from what I have heard. The Assyrians want a united Iraq and do not want a Kurdistan because they were oppressed too. I want a united Iraq because I believe that it will unite all the ethnicities under the nationality 'Iraqi' and it will make it a lot easier for the country to annihilate Islamist groups especially the Islamic State. The fact that there is a tyrant regime does not give the right for people to remove the country. At the end of the day it is better to contribute to the country by removing the tyrant regime. Sweden had several tyrant regimes hundreds years ago but that didn?t give anybody the right to remove Sweden from the map. This changed later on as the people of Sweden contributed to the country by getting rid of the tyranny while establishing democracy. If Iraq remains a united country it will be able to take down the Islamic State a lot more easier. By dividing Iraq you are only making it a lot easier for the Islamic State.
Given the fact that the Westerners fail to arrest the Islamists that are traveling from Europe to Iraq they are contributing to the Islamic State indirectly. So yes the blame is to be put on Westerners. And I didn?t fully blame tyranny or insurgencies in the Middle-east on Westerners. However the Westerners play a huge roll in that there is no denying the fact. The Westerners are good at giving weapons to 'moderate rebels' which ends up in the hands of Islamist groups especially the Islamic State and Al-Nusra. I hope now you understand. My point is that the Westerners contributed to Islamists groups indirectly and even directly. In Saudi-Arabia the regime there is referred to as 'moderate regime' by the Westerners. Another example is Yemen were the US is fully supporting Saudi-Arabia in bombing Yemen which has led to many Yemenis dead especially civilians. Ironically the US pretends to carry a 'neutral' view but anybody taking a closer look at the conflict will see that the US is backing the Saudi regime. Of course, apart from the Westerners being to blame even tribalism is the cause of it as well.
"Don't blame the West" is some might say but you have no evidence to why the West should not be blamed. The fact that the West even calls the Saudi regime a 'moderate regime' makes the Westerners equally as responsible. The West has always been destroyed by its own people as proven by Hitler, Stalin and many other moronic European dictators. It is sad that these morons are contributing to a similar destruction in Saudi-Arabia by supporting the Saudi regime.
"And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny," Are you serious? Have you even read the history of the Middle-east? When some Arab countries were run by communism, democracy was often established.
Unlike the South-Asian countries that were mostly a complete failure in terms of politics, the Arab countries were run by communism and later on nationalism who established democracy and secularism. Syria had had a democratic government since the overthrow of Adib al-Shishakli's military regime. Khalid Bakdash won a seat in parliament for the Damascus area, becoming the first communist elected to an Arab parliament.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Communist_Party
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_People%27s_Party
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_BakdashHowever Syria became weakened after it joined Egypt and formed a pact, hence the United Arab Republic. Nasser who had his own secular ideology called Nasserism imprisoned Arab communists because he did not want to be politically threatened. After the United Arab Republic broke up, the neo-Ba'athists were given a perfect opportunity to siege power in Syria as the Syrian communists were weakened by Nasser. This allowed them to take over Syria and establish dictatorship.
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This switching quesitons when the talk is about what we do not lik to discuss is funny indeed.
Why the good ones whenever the talk about the nazis why they do ot switch themes to the exterminantion of northamerican indians and their replacement wholly or almost by and invader population of anglo saxons?
This cheap shots at Palestine make me vomit and equating them with the kurd question also. Kurds have not been made into millions of refugees and suplanted by millions of inmigrants form the other end of the world.
Even Kashmere, is not like Palestine, nor the Sahara is like Palestine, so this is another way to whitewash the sionazzi monster.
Salaam
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Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
Also you need to stop acting as if all my eyes are on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Prior to closing my twitter, most of my tweets were about Iraq and Syria, and not about Palestine. Israel has great relations with Turkey, a country that is known for ruining it for the Kurds. The European nations often put Kurdish milita groups on a terrorist list because their own NATO member i.e. Turkey claims to be threatned by these groups. My relatives on my mother's side who are mostly Palestinian-Syrians, expelled by Israhell just like most Palestinians, grew up in Syria. This has allowed me to bring most of my attention on Syria and on Iraq.
It's pro-Israel Muslims that have their eyes too much on Hamas ignoring the fact that there are ten times worse groups out there. There is this Turk called Harun Yahya who is a Turkish Muslim apologist that uses Islam to promote Turkish nationalism while he hypocritcally opposes Arab nationalism. Hilariously he uses some European-Mongolian looking women in his shows in order to show that hes ideology is somehow not conservative but rather liberal, hence he is trying to promote his own conservative ideology. But the point is that he supports the existance of Israel and believes that it 'belongs to the Jews' (Does this stupidity never get old?) to desperately try and promote his conservative religious ideology - Hilariously that's what every pro-Israel Muslim only cares about which is to promote their conservative religious ideology. As long as you kiss the arse of the West, your ideology is considered moderate and liberal. Pro-Israel Muslims are about as biased as Hirsi Ali (A sh'tty Somalian terrorist that is living on European welfare) towards the Palestinians. Their ideologies are no different than the ideologies of the Islamists. They are equally as primitive.
Rest assured I'm not going to take my eyes off Israel. Israel, just like the Islamic State, is attacking and ethnic-cleansing the natives. The only minor difference between Israel and the Islamic State is that Israel is trying to use secularism and democracy to sugarcoat its own state and history. What do Israel and the Islamic State have in common? They both hate Palestine. The Islamic State is already killing Palestinians in Yarmouk and has released videos of its members stepping on a Palestinian flag before they burn it.
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This is utterly ridiculous and bullying. If somebody wants to discuss the kurds, the red skins, the blacks, the gypsies (most forgotten), the bosnians, they are free todo so and I have never seen, not even once, that person who is proactive on behalf othe Palestinian cause has ever objected to any of those.
But it seems that to defend the Palestinian cause is a crime. How do we dare, when there other people that are suffering, speak for the Palestinians. To do that we must spend in the same thread at least as much time on whatever the objector fancies we should be speaking about. If this is not rediculous please let meknow of anything that is.
Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
And you still wonder that we support the Palestinian cause at least in speech? With such a banding together of dirty manoevering against them you are surprised that some of us should revolt?
It is so hyporitical, so revolting...
Where are all your threads on the Kurds, on the Gypsies, where are they?
Nowhere you are not in favour of anybody you are just plain against the Palestinians and you want to forbid people from speaking out about them.
?Long live Palestine! Long live Palestinian resistance! Down with occupiers and racists ?May God save Palestinians and their wonderful heritage!
Salaam
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Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
As soon as somebody speaks out for the Palestinians somebody asks 'What about the Kurds' to try and hide Israel warcrimes- Ironically the same person that is asking this could care less about the Kurds. He is just trying to divert attention from Israeli warcrimes. And to clarify By 'He' I'm not refering to anybody on this forum. The fact that Kurds are suffering at the hands of others does NOT justify Israeli warcrimes. I have started a thread before titled "What about the Kurds?" were I have stated that many Arabs and Kurds are the same people and that both have equally as much right to land. I'm also against neo-Ba'athists especially Saddam and Assad. And I do believe that the Kurds should be treated equal in the Arab world were everyone should be given the right to obtain citizenship. Saladin is one of my Kurdish heroes. The Arab countries use an eagle as coat of arms which symbolizes a Kurd i.e. Saladin. This is a middle-finger to the European apologists.
This has become a norm in Europe to divert attention from a country to another. The right-wingers in Europe attempt to do this as a way to discredit Islam despite the fact that millions of Europeans died at the hands of right-wing Europeans. Are Europeans too ashamed to mention European dictators such as Stalin that starved nine million Ukranians to death. Indeed he was supported by many European Jews. Or what about Hitler? Man aren't these Europeans very 'civilized'.
The average European labels anything as a theory but can get away with the worst lame ass theories such as America supporting Hamas or that Barrack Obama is a Muslim terrorist. The average European can get away with crimes that killed millions of people while labeling Islam or any other foreign religion as backward and a threat to Europe despite his/her attrocities in Europe. The average European can blame leftists for 'ruining' Europe while he/she is already ruining Europe. The average European can oppose an Immigration of Asians while he/she promotes a mass-Immigration of her/his own kind in Palestine. The average European can judge other countries while he/she has a history of a carpet thanks to European right-wingers. The average European can claim that Immigrants live on welfare while he/she is living on American welfare (During WW2 millions of Europeans were living on American welfare). The average European can sugarcoat Israels state with democracy and secularism despite the fact that most European nations were the opposite of democracy and secularism. The average European can divert attention from Israel and even his own country, as long as European history is not brought up, the average European can attack Arab history and justify Israeli warcrimes.
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lol WTF do I write sometimes.. Jeez.. Wherever you find the word 'ingenious' in my post replace the word with 'indigenous'. Thanks
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Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
Salam Neptin.
While Israel?s human right records, law and order and mutual tolerance within its own territory is demonstrably better than that of many of its neighbors ? its continuous refusal to acknowledge the Palestinian state and systematic grabbing of land ear-marked for the Palestinians no doubt speaks the opposite story. Israel?s refusal to fully implement the UN resolution (2 state + Jerusalem as neutral zone) ? which gave them the right to statehood in the first place, is one of the most blatant treachery of post WWII era. And more importantly their disproportionate response to the provocations made by Hamas quite often breach the very basic human rights standards.
Yes, the response of the Arab neighbors and Palestinians (Hamas & co.) to the Israeli statehood from the very beginning was probably the biggest impediment in implementing the UN resolution, but then, over the years Israel got enough opportunities to set the tone right. It is a shame that they have not taken those opportunities to fulfill their obligation to God of being a good neighbor. Every time the sensible Israelis approached reconciliation (and there were some commendable initiatives), the ultra-conservative block always found a way to divert the progress on the excuse of ?national security?. Even today politicians use anti 2-state rhetoric as political stunt to attract voters. I really don?t see a way not to acknowledge Israel?s failure in this area.
Acknowledging the right problem is the first step towards the solution.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Great, this continuation of the humorous part. I am glad that the performance goes on to keep us from stopping smiling and laughing.
This poor old Israel still trying so hard to caress and pamper those horrible Arabs or pastelinian or whatever their name is, and they do not wish to accept love. But good Israel still keeps trying to kiss them and throw them bits.
Keep imoroving the act.
Salaam