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This is utterly ridiculous and bullying. If somebody wants to discuss the kurds, the red skins, the blacks, the gypsies (most forgotten), the bosnians, they are free todo so and I have never seen, not even once, that person who is proactive on behalf othe Palestinian cause has ever objected to any of those.
But it seems that to defend the Palestinian cause is a crime. How do we dare, when there other people that are suffering, speak for the Palestinians. To do that we must spend in the same thread at least as much time on whatever the objector fancies we should be speaking about. If this is not rediculous please let meknow of anything that is.
Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
And you still wonder that we support the Palestinian cause at least in speech? With such a banding together of dirty manoevering against them you are surprised that some of us should revolt?
It is so hyporitical, so revolting...
Where are all your threads on the Kurds, on the Gypsies, where are they?
Nowhere you are not in favour of anybody you are just plain against the Palestinians and you want to forbid people from speaking out about them.
?Long live Palestine! Long live Palestinian resistance! Down with occupiers and racists ?May God save Palestinians and their wonderful heritage!
Salaam
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Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
As soon as somebody speaks out for the Palestinians somebody asks 'What about the Kurds' to try and hide Israel warcrimes- Ironically the same person that is asking this could care less about the Kurds. He is just trying to divert attention from Israeli warcrimes. And to clarify By 'He' I'm not refering to anybody on this forum. The fact that Kurds are suffering at the hands of others does NOT justify Israeli warcrimes. I have started a thread before titled "What about the Kurds?" were I have stated that many Arabs and Kurds are the same people and that both have equally as much right to land. I'm also against neo-Ba'athists especially Saddam and Assad. And I do believe that the Kurds should be treated equal in the Arab world were everyone should be given the right to obtain citizenship. Saladin is one of my Kurdish heroes. The Arab countries use an eagle as coat of arms which symbolizes a Kurd i.e. Saladin. This is a middle-finger to the European apologists.
This has become a norm in Europe to divert attention from a country to another. The right-wingers in Europe attempt to do this as a way to discredit Islam despite the fact that millions of Europeans died at the hands of right-wing Europeans. Are Europeans too ashamed to mention European dictators such as Stalin that starved nine million Ukranians to death. Indeed he was supported by many European Jews. Or what about Hitler? Man aren't these Europeans very 'civilized'.
The average European labels anything as a theory but can get away with the worst lame ass theories such as America supporting Hamas or that Barrack Obama is a Muslim terrorist. The average European can get away with crimes that killed millions of people while labeling Islam or any other foreign religion as backward and a threat to Europe despite his/her attrocities in Europe. The average European can blame leftists for 'ruining' Europe while he/she is already ruining Europe. The average European can oppose an Immigration of Asians while he/she promotes a mass-Immigration of her/his own kind in Palestine. The average European can judge other countries while he/she has a history of a carpet thanks to European right-wingers. The average European can claim that Immigrants live on welfare while he/she is living on American welfare (During WW2 millions of Europeans were living on American welfare). The average European can sugarcoat Israels state with democracy and secularism despite the fact that most European nations were the opposite of democracy and secularism. The average European can divert attention from Israel and even his own country, as long as European history is not brought up, the average European can attack Arab history and justify Israeli warcrimes.
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lol WTF do I write sometimes.. Jeez.. Wherever you find the word 'ingenious' in my post replace the word with 'indigenous'. Thanks
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Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
Salam Neptin.
While Israel?s human right records, law and order and mutual tolerance within its own territory is demonstrably better than that of many of its neighbors ? its continuous refusal to acknowledge the Palestinian state and systematic grabbing of land ear-marked for the Palestinians no doubt speaks the opposite story. Israel?s refusal to fully implement the UN resolution (2 state + Jerusalem as neutral zone) ? which gave them the right to statehood in the first place, is one of the most blatant treachery of post WWII era. And more importantly their disproportionate response to the provocations made by Hamas quite often breach the very basic human rights standards.
Yes, the response of the Arab neighbors and Palestinians (Hamas & co.) to the Israeli statehood from the very beginning was probably the biggest impediment in implementing the UN resolution, but then, over the years Israel got enough opportunities to set the tone right. It is a shame that they have not taken those opportunities to fulfill their obligation to God of being a good neighbor. Every time the sensible Israelis approached reconciliation (and there were some commendable initiatives), the ultra-conservative block always found a way to divert the progress on the excuse of ?national security?. Even today politicians use anti 2-state rhetoric as political stunt to attract voters. I really don?t see a way not to acknowledge Israel?s failure in this area.
Acknowledging the right problem is the first step towards the solution.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Great, this continuation of the humorous part. I am glad that the performance goes on to keep us from stopping smiling and laughing.
This poor old Israel still trying so hard to caress and pamper those horrible Arabs or pastelinian or whatever their name is, and they do not wish to accept love. But good Israel still keeps trying to kiss them and throw them bits.
Keep imoroving the act.
Salaam
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Salam Neptin.
While Israel?s human right records, law and order and mutual tolerance within its own territory is demonstrably better than that of many of its neighbors ? its continuous refusal to acknowledge the Palestinian state and systematic grabbing of land ear-marked for the Palestinians no doubt speaks the opposite story. Israel?s refusal to fully implement the UN resolution (2 state + Jerusalem as neutral zone) ? which gave them the right to statehood in the first place, is one of the most blatant treachery of post WWII era. And more importantly their disproportionate response to the provocations made by Hamas quite often breach the very basic human rights standards.
Thanks, we do not contradict each other over Israel, never did i imply Israel was the perfect state, the angel in the conflict. All i said is that beside her policy with Palestine, Israel has done better than virtually the whole middle east in terms of human right, democracy, secularism or pluralism and so sympathy with Israel doesn't necessarily equate to denying/condoning Israel crimes against Palestine or enmity and hate for Palestinians. Hastily, some folks already summarize my comments as unlimited approval of Israel 's war crimes and occupation of Palestine, which is a very erroneous judgement. I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
The Israeli-Palestinian issue is not a straight forward one. Unfortunately, many assume that whoever speak well of Israel even in the slightest is a sworn ally of blood thirsty war mongering. Hence, this lead me introduce Kurdistan so as to distinguish between supporters for Palestinians based on evidence or supporters based on emotion or identity with Palestinians. You know, i 've met Arabs before, some of whom do not consider my stand on Israel as enmity towards Palestinians. I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
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I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
20% of today's citizen of Israel (1,7 Million People) identified themselves as "Arabs", "Arab citizen of the state of Israel".
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Thanks, we do not contradict each other over Israel, never did i imply Israel was the perfect state, the angel in the conflict. All i said is that beside her policy with Palestine, Israel has done better than virtually the whole middle east in terms of human right, democracy, secularism or pluralism and so sympathy with Israel doesn't necessarily equate to denying/condoning Israel crimes against Palestine or enmity and hate for Palestinians. Hastily, some folks already summarize my comments as unlimited approval of Israel 's war crimes and occupation of Palestine, which is a very erroneous judgement. I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
The Israeli-Palestinian issue is not a straight forward one. Unfortunately, many assume that whoever speak well of Israel even in the slightest is a sworn ally of blood thirsty war mongering. Hence, this lead me introduce Kurdistan so as to distinguish between supporters for Palestinians based on evidence or supporters based on emotion or identity with Palestinians. You know, i 've met Arabs before, some of whom do not consider my stand on Israel as enmity towards Palestinians. I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
Crediting Israel is a middle-finger to the victims of Israel. I mean seriously, if you are going to say some nice things about Israel then you might as well do the same for Nazi-Germany. In Europe you would possibly get arrested for saying good things about Nazi-Germany, well except in Eastern-Europe that has many European skinheads and a lot of corruption. By crediting such countries we are only giving the victims of these countries the middle-finger.
I have never met Arabs that support Israel. Most I know support Palestine while the rest could give a less f'ck about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as they don't care about politics at all. I'm pretty sure that the majority Arabs support Palestine but of course they don't matter. What matters is the minority Arabs that support Israel. It's very ironic that there is a wiki article on Arabs that support Israel while no article for the amount of Arabs that are against Israel. The Average Westerner knows his lies. Last time I checked the majority Arabs, the same that considers the Arab regimes to be corrupt, support Palestine. This sucks for Western apologists which is why they want to keep supporting their 'friendly regimes'.
Arab Jews support a peace between the Arab countries and Israel while European Jews especially the ex-Soviet Jews support war and ethnic-cleansing. This has even been acknowledged by Arab Jews. Most Jews in Palestine that were starting their own terrorist groups were of Eastern-European origin that came to Palestine as Immigrants.
I know Europeans that support Israel but hilariously these are European conservatives that are not even contributing anything of value to their own country. Like most religious people, they use democracy and secularism to sugarcoat their own ideologies. I do not take these people seriously. They are laughable and very primitive too but sadly they are born in countries with a high human index development. The European conservatives often support Israel because the land is mentioned in the Bible. They pretend that Muslims are somehow anti-semitic for simply criticising Israel while these conservatives have ideologies that are similiar to Hitlers ideology. The irony? European Christians are probaly the biggest anti-semites ever. This is proven by history.
I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
Anymore? Israel has never defended itself this is a fact. Israel was built by European Jewish Immigrants that escaped their brethren's attrocities whom ethnic-cleansed a whole amount of the Palestinian population later on. How is that defending itself? Do you even question the foundation of Israel?
In a nutshell, they Immigrated- They took over- They invited thousands of others non-Palestinian Jews over and created a Palestinian diaspora. You don't need to be a genious to realize this. Use common sense.
When taking a look at the Palestinian-Israeli conflict it is important to take into consideration that not all Jews are the same and that Jews carry different culture and traditions based on the country they were born in. Some say that the Jews were in Palestine long before Arabs but are they refering to Middle-Eastern Jews or European Jews? If Middle-Eastern Jews then yes they have been in Palestine long before Arabs but if European Jews then no not at all. Arabs have always moved to Palestine even pre-Islam.
It is also important to not consider all Arabs being the same. Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Phoenicians, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites. History will always acknowledge the fact that the Palestinians were people that changed their identities as others conquered their country.
Israelis often try to hide this. They often take into consideration that Arabs conquered into the Middle-East but what they won't acknowledge is the fact that the Arabs arabized the inhabitants of the 'provinces' they conquered. They know that if they were to acknowledge this their own Israeli propaganda would be thrown into the trash bin a long time ago.
I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
Can't wait to hear their opinion on Sweden. If they are impressed at Israel, then what will they be on Sweden? Sweden makes Israel, the South-Asian countries and the Gulf-countries look like a joke. I've seen South-Asians that often write how countries such as India or Israel is somehow a democracy. I take a look at these countries and I compare them to Sweden. Sweden is complete gold compared to these countries.
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To all readers of this thread
Since sister Reel has already confirmed, she is not going to mend her ways because that would go against her Masters studies ? so instead of addressing her, I am presenting the case below for personal consideration of each of you.
On this very thread sister Reel presented a conspiracy theory. Her prepositions are as follows
Overlooking the number of bizarre claims that she is making in one sentence, I draw your attention to her claim about the ?the twin of the Malaysian plane?? she is suspecting the Zonist connection to this attack based on the claim that someone discovered a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv.
When I asked for more details, she flooded me with internet links. After carefully going through the links I learnt that in 2013, GA Telesis, a company with demonstrated Israeli connection acquired a Boeing 777 model aircraft from Malaysian Airlines for dismantling. The transaction was made public with a press release (Ref 1). The original registration number of the aircraft was 9M-MRI, which after the title transfer was re-registered as N105GT (Ref 2). Apparently the company, instead of dismantling the aircraft right away has kept it intact at Tel Aviv. The company management did not respond to journalist?s request to comment on why they delayed the dismantling. (Ref 3)
And thanks, you understood exactly what is given, however, Israel didn't get the plane from Malaysia. Umm, do you know where boeing is made?
These are pretty much the ?facts? surrounding the allegation. Does the above sound provocatively suspicious in view of the Malaysian plane (both Boeing 777) incidents? Perhaps it does. Does it prove or demonstrate Israeli connection to the Malaysian airline crash and/or a planned terrorist attack? No, of course it doesn?t. Claiming any such connection solely based on the above facts would be purely speculative ? no responsible media outlet will take such speculation seriously, nor will any court of law or any scholarly undertaking.
We know who made Al Qaida and how Israel was involved in 9/11 inside job. Keeping this in mind, when we read this
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 11 terrorists with links to Al Qaeda being questioned over vanished jet http//www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-11-3493814
Missing Malaysian Flight 370 raises fear that it was stolen by terrorists to use it as weapon
http//www.nydailynews.com/news/national/missing-jetline-raises-fears-9-11-attack-article-1.1727525
what comes to mind?
I gave one of such links to you before and you overlooked it. Here are some more from your worshipful masters of Zionism
"This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al ?security expert? Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.?I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED?
?What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.?
? Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
? Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014It is not Iranians, but Israeli agents and Zionist propagandists like Rupert Murdoch who are the real authors of false-flag terror plots involving airliners being flown into hi-rise towers. Arnon Milchan, for example, the Israeli Mossad operative-cum-film producer, made the Medusa Touch film in 1978, in which a 9-11 type attack is the climax of the film. Is there a nefarious plot in the works to use the missing Malaysian plane for such an attack?"
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say about such speculative stories.
Well, if the ?speculation? was not bad enough? our enthusiastic sister managed to upgrade herself to yet another level when her willingness to bolster her speculation, knowingly or unknowingly, made her pick the words ??with the same registration number?.
We go by pattern. I think it was explained to you before.
As I mentioned earlier the old registration number of the transferred aircraft was 9M-MRI (new registration number N105GT), whereas the two Malaysian Airlines aircrafts that recently crashed / was shot down had the registration numbers 9M-MRO and 9M-MRD respectively.
9m is given to planes going to Malaysia. N1 is used for the American ones. Please go back to previous post to see the explanation.
So, the plane seen at Tel Aviv has the same registration number as WHAT? Actually nothing. It was a false claim personally cooked-up by our beloved sister to make her story sound more interesting. When an unsuspecting gullible reader reads the words ?a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv? doesn?t it have a wow factor! Surely two planes are not supposed to have same registration number ? so if a plane with same registration number as that of another crashed plane was found in Tel Aviv it does prove something deeply fishy was going on! But the truth is - this claim of ?same registration number? is a big fat lie? carefully punched into the story to make it sound convincing.
Then what is our take on the below commandment from Qur?an
Or do we say the above verse only applies to children of Israel, and for the rest of us mixing the truth with falsehood is halal?
Here comes the big words of wisdom from one of the oldest member of the forum. On sister Reel?s defense, she was only trying to help the cause of the ?defenseless? persecuted Palestinians. In face of all the falsehood and injustice thrown upon the children of Palestine ? a little bit of fabrication, a little bit of exaggeration to expose the powerful Zionists ?monsters? should be okay, right?
No, WRONG again.
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say on the matter
So, the underlying principle is? we have to stand by justice and truth. We must not follow our inclination to support whom we perceive as poor / weak / vulnerable and thereby distort the truth.
Allah is our Master and their Master and He is not unjust by an atom?s weight.
Those of you who are studying Qur?an carefully, may have already noticed? Qur?an does not only prohibit falsehood, it takes the evils of falsehood as an underlying assumption to build up its logic. For example let?s consider this verse
Look how the verse assumes that the reader understands that ?to lie? is a sin, and Allah is justified to increase the ?disease? of the liars.
The stance of Qur?an against falsehood is clear and unambiguous. Falsehood does not enter the Qur?an from the front or from the back or from right or from left. There is no way one can seek the path of intentional falsehood and fabrication as a ?strategy? (against the weak, the strong, the rich, the poor whatever) and still hope to be guided by Qur?an.
The purpose of this long post is not to analyze whether or not Israel had any role in Malaysian plane incidents. (If they really hand a hand behind it, I have faith that my Master will one day bring the truth to broad daylight ? but as of now, there is no justification to promote such flimsy speculations.) Rather my purpose here is to put our own behavior under the microscope. The fight of falsehood by falsehood, propaganda by propaganda is running for ages. Aren?t we, the members of this forum, supposed to strive to break this vicious circle with truth and justice? If we allow ourselves to indulge in spreading of fabricated stories and speculation, what moral ground do we have to challenge the fabrication brought forward by the Zionists or the ISIS camp? let alone the Bukhari & Co? Those of you who claim to follow Qur?an only.. is it enough that we carry ?Qur?an only? label? Or, do we need to follow the Quranic principles of truth, justice and impartiality in our own words and actions to justify such a claim?
As for the carrier of fire-wood (hamma latal hatab), surely she will have her own twisted rope around her neck.
So, cease. It is better for you, if you understand.But if you don?t? and if you still feel inclined to seek your refuge in these meaningless game of falsehood and propaganda, then bear witness (on the day of judgment), that someone did warn you against such behavior.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Armanlol, it wasn't me, but pilots who acquired the information. More can be found in their forums. Go do your research.
Reference 1 http//www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-disassembles-boeing-777-200er-767-200er-and-757-200er/
I was waiting for this one cuz it was published after people started panicking about the planes.
Reference 2 http//www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis.php
Thanks for this link also. If I remember correctly, I saw 98 in the year table last year for the one shipped to Israel. I should have kept the screenshot.
Reference 3 https//jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/why-is-a-twin-of-the-missing-mh370-in-a-hanger-in-israel-by-chris-bollyn/
Do you check articles to know where they come from? It is copied from the site of Christopher Bollyn, the zionist disinfo agent who lived in Israeil, married an Israeli agent and the appearance of his second wife's name seems to be too jewish also. And before this, in his own words, "began his college career at U.C. Davis and graduated from U.C. Santa Cruz with a degree in history in which his primary field of study was Israel and Palestine" Off topic, this degree resume makes no sense!
And does Allah say we are to believe in the media without a doubt? You decide
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source http//www.trueactivist.com/analysis-finds-50-of-all-fox-news-statements-are-false/By the way, you mentioned two Malaysian planes were shot. I was aware of one. If the second one happened just letting you know I wasn't keeping update on this at all.
To everyone,
As for Israel being a state, I think we have to agree that since they are there already it would be weird to throw them out. There is a verse in Quran where Allah says that he sometimes takes away a land from one to give to another. If anyone knows the verse number please post it here. But yes, their illegal settlement can't be forgiven. Peace talk at this point isn't gonna be easy and may not happen for some more years since the Israeli government is full of zionists. Their people have to wake up and this seems difficult also because of the way they are brainwashed by getting them drafted.
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Thanks Neptin, the two weeks were hell.
Nay I won't make a good detective. I just look more things that seem questionable. Most of what I find actually come from other people who had resources for the research. But I guess in US, its a trend. The whole 9/11 thing is the reason. Such attacks are profitable for those who make them happen. Benefits of 9/11 for those who were involved
New policies to control people (attacks always enhance the power of the government)
Mad it difficult for the world to hear cry of Palestinians
Sympathy for Israeli (their leader's words)
Shrinking the power of Arab countries, good for Israel.
Removal of Saddam Hussein (good for Israel)
Weapons sales (for wars)
Army used (Here in US we have a slavery system; if you are at work you have to keep your hands moving. Same is applied to army. Government won't feed them for free)
Satisfying the weapon industry lobbysts
Cleaning of American ghettos (Usually, the poorest go in military.Ted Turner thinks its "terrific" that soldiers are committing suicide)
Government taking loans from Rothschilds, the family responsible for snatching of Palestine. War loans make them richer.
A new zone for Rothschilds' banks (Iraq)
Making people lose faith in religions, one of the agendas of NWO.
Divide and Conquer (Increased hostility towards Muslims)
Haliburton became richer
One attack makes it easy for them to use another attack for future benefits