Reassessing the identity of: Israēl's Progeny
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The first wd was probably fulfilled ... .
No matter what the case ~ investigation is a must.
The quest for Truth continues.
SLM
The Israelite are an extinct race. They were the last of a people who was directly descended from Nuh. The Quran is very explicit on this.
Q;2278 - And strive for ALLAH with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. THE RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER, ABRAHAM. ALLAH named you ALL ?Muslims? before and in this that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to ALLAH. HE is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper.
Israelite had nothing to do with Abraham. Abraham was never their father. The Quran
0333 - Indeed, ALLAH chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds
0683 - And that was Our argument which We gave Abraham against his people. We raise by degrees whom We will. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing.
0684 - And We gave Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - all We guided. And Noah, We guided before; and among his descendants....
1958 - Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor OF the prophets FROM the descendants of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, THAT IS, of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping.
A careful study of the above verses shows that after mentioning Nuh, ALLAH mentioned Abraham. Abraham was a direct descendant of Nuh. Why mention Abraham and then someone else after Abraham? Since Abraham was direct descendant of Nuh, it goes without saying, no need to mentioned. By mentioning Nuh alone will be sufficient. Now lets look at another verse...
5726 - And We have already sent Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants Prophethood and THE BOOK; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
ALLAH says that HE place in their descendants - "their descendant" in Arabic , that means their own descendants respectively. It is a 3rd person masculine dual possessive pronoun. So it is clearly saying that Nuh and his descendants and Abraham and his descendants. So who was the descendents of Nuh and who was the descendent of Abraham? We do not need to go so far! In 1958 shows clearly who!
Besides, ALLAH has already promise Abraham that HE will make Abraham descendants a GREAT NATION. This was explicitly mentioned in the Torah - Genesis Chapter 17 and Quran 0458. Please read
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607276.0
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This (useless) question is very easy to resolve...
The first so-called "Israel" has a tomb here..
http//machpela.com/Abraham also has a tomb there..
Take an extract of their DNA from both the remains of the so-believed-to-be Abraham and Jacob.
And we can prove whether those two remains has a parent-child relationship..Assuming they do, afterwards, compare their DNA with the DNA of all people who are living today...
And see who has the "nearest" match to either DNA of Abraham or Jacob..And I'll not be surprised on the results of 'nearly everyone living today' have multiple degree of 'progenial relationship' with the DNA of Abraham or Jacob.
Assuming Abraham lived 4000 years ago.. every generation is 30 years and on average every generation has 2 children.
His genes has been passed on (and mixed) to become 2^(4000/30) = 2 ^133 = 10889035741470000000000000000000000000000 of people living today. -
@Hizbullah, I note some grave mistranslations in your posts!
Regardless, ...
I thank the FM members who have shared their voice and time with me ~ appreciate it.
Thank you @MOF, @Hizbullah, @JavaLatte, @runninglikezebras, @Pazuzu and @JafarBe sound,
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@Hizbullah, I note some grave mistranslations in your posts!
Regardless, ...
I thank the FM members who have shared their voice and time with me ~ appreciate it.
Thank you @MOF, @Hizbullah, @JavaLatte, @runninglikezebras, @Pazuzu and @JafarBe sound,
my brethren.The Translation is from Sahih International. I dont see any grave mistranslation but agree though, Mim, lam, Ta - which is creed of religion, faith of religion. After thorougher check, I still dont see any mistranslation of this word.
Anyway, you are most welcome.
peace
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I thank the FM members who have shared their voice and time with me ~ appreciate it.
Thank you @MOF, @Hizbullah, @JavaLatte, @runninglikezebras, @Pazuzu and @JafarBe sound,
my brethren.It's nice to have you here, brother! Thank you.
You're among of those whom I hope can be loyal supporter of Allah. )
May Allah always guide you to the straight path.
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The Translation is from Sahih International.
You do realize that 'Sahih International' is a Sunni interpretation, right!?
I dont see any grave mistranslation but agree though, Mim, lam, Ta - which is creed of religion, faith of religion.
After thorougher check, I still dont see any mistranslation of this word.Anyway, you are most welcome.
Ok, thanx for the input @Hizbullah (◕
It's nice to have you here, brother! Thank you.
You're among those whom I hope can be loyal supporter of Allah.Thank you for the kind-hearted word @JavaLatte!
May Allah always guide you to the straight path.
G-D willing, my sister.
May your dearest wish come true (_◠
SLM
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It seems to me some of you only have an agenda of robbing the Jews of their entire culture.
I wonder if this is because of an ex-sunni anti-semitic past or rather a confusion with hate for the modern zionist Israeli state.To , a return to Israel is out of the question.
The diaspora being interpreted as a punishment from God. I tend to agree with them.I recommend
The Invention of the Jewish People, by Shlomo Sand.http//kbimages1-a.akamaihd.net/5435f1d1-0724-4c04-a6d1-6fd0603ad8c4/180/1000/False/the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-1.jpg
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So an Israeli atheist claims the Jewish people don't/didn't exist. Again, hicham9, this is a politically colored view of history. His political motives are obvious. I value historical research much more if it is not influenced by political ambitions.
Peace
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Thank you for the kind-hearted word @JavaLatte!
I'm serious about that, brother. I don't find many people who are the true supporters of Allah, even in this forum, so I truly hope that Allah will protect your faith in Him, and may He teach you to be righteous. I hope the same for myself as well.
G-D willing, my sister.
May your dearest wish come true (_◠
Yes, inshaAllah. ^__^
Salaam.