So did anyone figured out what salat is?
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The (non-qurnic) tradition of namaz was originally borrowed from Mazdaism;
then attributed to the Messenger of G-D and foisted upon the Qurn (through misinterpretation)Let us remember that, in the Qurn, l-Islm (ـ is not the "correct religion" as Sectarian traditionalists would have us believe!
But, the Judgment l-dyn (ں.
Reassess 3854,
& the rest (of occurrences).A 'muslim' (QA ـ is not one who adheres to a (corrupt) religion called "Islm"
but one who adheres to 'Soundness' in 'Judgment'Matter of fact is, l-Qurn (ں was never meant for a "1.57 billion" so-called "Muslim Umma" of self-proclaimed "Muslims" (divided into sects and subsects Sunnis, Shiites, Sufis, Ibadis, Maturidis, Ahmadites, Submiters, or whatnot]! ...
The addressee is Humanity en mass (l-ns), aka. us!
Adem's descendants (bny Adm) ~ currently around 7 billion Adamite cf., 7158, &c.Hence, my current understanding of vb. a (ى, and n.f. lh (ه.
Also, add., 2213, 1019, 11118, 1693, 428, 4333, 548 to the picture!Be sound.
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The word Islam basically means to "be sound" as an adjective.
Be well
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Peace.
Salat is one of the many" nourishment"for the soul(i.e the real person) just like the body needs ." nourishment"
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The soul and Him who created it.918
Then showed it what is evil and what is good.919
Successful is one who redeems it.9110
Failing is one who neglects it.GOD Alone is the main focus of the soul.
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You shall maintain your devotion absolutely to God alone. Anyone who sets up any idol beside God is like one who fell from the sky, then gets snatched up by vultures, or blown away by the wind into a deep ravine.There is a difference between the proper salat and the salat that some here claim is a "ritual nonsense".
This is the ritual nonsense
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Their Salat at the Bayt were no more than a mockery and a means of repelling the people (by crowding them out). Therefore, suffer the ..".This is the proper Salat
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You shall recite/study/preach what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Salat, for the Salat prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of God (through Salat) is the most important objective( to feed your soul).* God knows everything you do.985
All that was asked of them was to serve/ worship God, devoting the deen absolutely to Him alone, observe the Salat, and give the Zakat. Such is the perfect deen.7320
...You shall read what you can of it(Qoran), and observe the Salat, give the Zakat, and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.What do 56 and 443 mean or are we to reject parts of Qoran?,( I do not follow those who do!)
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Those who received the scripture rejoice in what was revealed to you; some others may reject parts of it. Say, "I am simply enjoined to serve/ worship God, and never associate any idols with Him. I invite to Him, and to Him is my ultimate destiny."1337
We revealed these laws in Arabic, and if you ever acquiesce to( follow) their wishes, after this knowledge has come to you, you will have no ally, nor a protector, against God.I have figured out what Salat is, contact with your creator, it must be devoted to GOD Alone ,pure and simple,at specific times daily.
I obey my Lord and follow the scripture
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You shall steadfastly persevere in carrying out your Lord's command - you are in our eyes - and glorify and praise your Lord when you get up.5249
Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.Freedom of choice to you all.
GOD bless.
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Yes indeed , Whoever purifies his/her soul will redeem it and whoever defiles his/her soul will neglect it.
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Consider if the passage said this instead and you see it makes better sense and why it would "prohibit evil and vice".
You shall recite/study/preach what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Guidance, for the Guidance prohibits evil and vice. But the remembrance/honoring of God (through Guidance) is the most important objective( to feed your soul).* God knows everything you do.
Honoring is my insertion. You honor GOD like you honor your own father (as in making pleased with).
My mind is tickled as to why you so stubbornly continue to believe in ritual prayer fabricated by deluded clerics who like to be praised being important as prayer leaders and for other reasons.
Be well
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Are you addressing me?If you are ,then this is my answer .
I believe God has defined contacting Him by the word Al-Salah or in Qoran.
This word means "direct contact or getting in direct touch with" in Arabic language. When God refers to contacting Him, He always uses this word defined by one of the most powerful grammatical tools of definition, Al or or the.
Besides the distinction it makes between the rite and command of contacting God and the casual praying or imploring one could do any time, anywhere, and in any manner, this defining tool, the/, assures us that Al-Salah/ is an already existing, well-known practice or rite that is much older than Qoran and Muhammad.
I believe in all Qoran and take GOD s words seriously,all of them.
Also I find your argument very weak ,it is ignoring parts of Qoran.
If you devote your Salat to GOD Alone you are following the guidance ,honouring GOD and valuing GOD as He should be valued by believing every word in His scripture.
GOD bless you.
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Good logic,
Salawa means "to be in contact with" by following perceptibly yes.
Why is my argument weak? Have you not seen all the examples I posted and how coherently they suit?
Perhaps except lamely translated ones.
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Peace Man Of Faith.
For example 56, 443...and many others.
GOD bless you.
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56 is so lamely interpreted and translated that it is almost a mockery of the scripture.
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Peace All.
Brother Hawk, I tend to agree with you here.
May I also add the following ;
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Therefore, you shall reverence God as much as you can, and listen, and obey, and give...(Anfiqou, What you can) for your own good. Anyone who is protected from his own...( selfishness/ego...), these are the successful ones.GOD does not need anything.It is for our own good
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You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practising your Deen - the Deen of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Muslimeen" originally...
Therefore, you shall observe the Salat and give the Zakat, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.There no compulsion in the Deen.
Peace good logic
Thanks for the ayats, of course who can say it better than Allah! )
This is a blatant lie. I am performing a comprehensive research on this with astonishing results and they do not stem from my personal opinions.
Peace Man of Faith
May your endeavors be successful, but as of yet you have not proven
we should not perform the salat ritual, only your own hostility, rancor,
anger, and distaste via your personal opinions.Peace hafeez kazi
I am saying ritual prayers are a good thing, you say they are bad,
you are not forced to make salat, but to say it does not enhanced
the well being of believers is just untrue. I will concede that some
folks do not like it for various reasons like (fard, or no. of rakats
both have no Quranic support) and some folks don't like Ramadan,
but you will be hard pressed to find prohibitions of bowing
and prostrating as per Quran, deniers of ritual salat only
give their personal opinions.God has no need for anything, making a great deal of things appear redundant.
Which might one imagine the merciful God would favor more? Perhaps you could rank these
The one who doesn't perform any form of worship, sincere or insincere
The one who worships in sincerity
The insincere worshiper(Will the one who worships God in sincerity receive the same as the one who
never worshiped and found such expressions redundant and pointless be
considered equal? Yet to force someone to worship who does not believe
in it or understand it would produce an insincere worshiper, so people who
don't want to pray and don't understand things like formal worship should
certainly flee from it)At the end of the day though, meditation, worship, etc, are gifts of God to the people, not the other way around!
Peace welcome back FreedomStands, I agree that communities have their
ways of worship indeed. Of your list I would say "The one who worships in sincerity"
is the one who God would favor more.God bless
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Hawk99,
I have not shown such, only intensively bringing forth arguments. Of course I get a bit upset when you blatantly lie, but I am not without control.
I have brought forth consistent arguments and you only say this because you have that pride in yourself while you yourself is posting ancient opinions when you parrot Quran quotes with an incredibly weak interpretation. My suggestions on salat are more in line with what the word means, but you are just too stubborn to reflect, digest and accept it.
The claim I put forth that even if I had not interpreted 56 and such passages, the conclusive signs indicate this word does have nothing to do with a stupid ritual. And that is not my opinion even if it is your opinion that I carry forth an opinion only.
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Peace welcome back FreedomStands, I agree that communities have their
ways of worship indeed. Of your list I would say "The one who worships in sincerity"
is the one who God would favor more.
God blessI agree, I think it is the safest bet of all.
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O ye People
We have apportioned ye out of a male and female,
and made you races and lineages to get to know one another .
The finest amongst ye to G-D is the most heedful of ye.
G-D is a well-Acquainted Knower.
CU
Sreh
4913What is with the G-D thing?
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O ye People
We have apportioned ye out of a male and female,
and made you derivatives? and complements? to get to know one another .
The finest amongst ye to G-D is the most heedful of ye.
is G-D a well-Acquainted Knower.
CU
Sreh
4913? ie. lineages, races
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It's an acronym ...
How would you translate QA. ALLH (ه?
There are a few root meanings of that word, the main one seems to be "Worshiped" but there is also "Powerful" "Beyond" and things like that. Arabic roots are generally action words or verbs. Deeper examination reveals concepts like "to be in Awe of" "Reverence" and other things like that.
God is a fine translation (God comes from a root meaning "invoked" from a different language family) and it is generally used to refer to the Supreme power, but I was just wondering why you were cutting out the o from God the way that Jewish people do sometimes.
Haha I do like that you said ALLH kind of like how some people go YHWH (A Jewish person would probably replace that with Adonai or HaShem or something though). ALLH is an accurate transliteration of the letters at least.
I wondered if it was because of some belief of "do not say the name of God in vain", but God is not the name of God, it simply means "the invoked one" and there seems to be no different between saying God and G-d since both combinations of symbols represent the same thing, so the whole exercise seems rather futile and silly, almost like a person is playing imaginary games.
Its like saying Sh*t in context and everyone knows what word was said there but one letter was taken out, yet when people read it they pronounced it, and the whole thing is rather fake and everything.
But God is not a swear word, and one should wonder if perhaps God is making a fool of a person by adopting such things, since it can be almost considered a kind of mockery, like how the Bible says "Always keep God on your mind" so then they put a little box with God's name in it literally on their forehead lol.
Though if you're uncomfortable saying God that is fine, but I don't believe that is the meaning of "do not say God's name in vain", firstly they were referring to the term YHWH which was considered to have magical properties of invoking power almost like a curse, and the silly belief that a spirit can be commanded by controlling its name and other things like that, none of which are true seeming today. The term "God" was certainly not on their minds when they said that.
In any case though I'm fine using the term God or Allah or any number of other epithets that are accurate, I'm about to post something where I mention God as something like the LORD OF HELL or King of the Fire or something haha its fun to make up epithets sometimes.
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There are a few root meanings of that word, the main one seems to be "Worshiped" but there is also "Powerful" "Beyond" and things like that. Arabic roots are generally action words or verbs. Deeper examination reveals concepts like "to be in Awe of" "Reverence" and other things like that.
Sounds like guesswork to me.
I don't blame you tho!God is a fine translation (God comes from a root meaning "invoked" from a different language family) and it is generally used to refer to the Supreme power, ...
To my knowledge, the qurnic word for deity (or god) is Lh () not LLh ().
Addition in 'structure' denotes addition in 'meaning' ( )
but I was just wondering why you were cutting out the o from God the way that Jewish people do sometimes.
As disclosed earlier, the expression 'G-D' (in my input) is an acronym.
I.e., it's not the term 'GOD' with an omitted "O" ...Ps. I'm not a "Jew"!
I proclaim myself to be a mslm nf [like Abrahem (who was neither a Jew, nor a Nazarene, and he was not of the Muriks)!Haha I do like that you said ALLH kind of like how some people go YHWH (A Jewish person would probably replace that with Adonai or HaShem or something though).
Oh, how "insightful" of you!
ALLH is an accurate transliteration of the letters at least.
Precision is a virtue.
I wondered if it was because of some belief of "do not say the name of God in vain", but God is not the name of God, it simply means "the invoked one" and there seems to be no different between saying God and G-d since both combinations of symbols represent the same thing, so the whole exercise seems rather futile and silly, almost like a person is playing imaginary games.
Its like saying Sh*t in context and everyone knows what word was said there but one letter was taken out, yet when people read it they pronounced it, and the whole thing is rather fake and everything.
But God is not a swear word, and one should wonder if perhaps God is making a fool of a person by adopting such things, since it can be almost considered a kind of mockery, like how the Bible says "Always keep God on your mind" so then they put a little box with God's name in it literally on their forehead lol.
Though if you're uncomfortable saying God that is fine, but I don't believe that is the meaning of "do not say God's name in vain", firstly they were referring to the term YHWH which was considered to have magical properties of invoking power almost like a curse, and the silly belief that a spirit can be commanded by controlling its name and other things like that, none of which are true seeming today. The term "God" was certainly not on their minds when they said that.
In any case though I'm fine using the term God or Allah or any number of other epithets that are accurate, I'm about to post something where I mention God as something like the LORD OF HELL or King of the Fire or something haha its fun to make up epithets sometimes.
This, of course, deserves no comment of mine.