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One contradiction or a seeming contradiction thats holding me back

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    hicham9
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    2 + 2 + 2 = 4 + 2 = 6 millennia

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      Ervin
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      Peace,

      Thanks Hitcham, you are right.

      Thanks

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        Bender
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        2 + 2 + 2 = 4 + 2 = 6 millennia

        Hi,

        Can you explain further, I do not understand what you mean.

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          Bender
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          Peace,

          How about the following

          1. Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days

          419-12. Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters) Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said We come, obedient.Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

          754 says 6

          419-12 says 2+4+2=8

          Thanks

          Hi Ervin,

          I have seen the contradiction a lot of times but I do not understand this contradiction.
          How are those verses contradicting?

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            Ervin
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            PEACE Bender,

            I saw it on one of the atheist sites. However I didn't believe it's a contradiction 100%, so I posted it here to clear things up.

            And Hitcham made me read what it actually says.

            I hope all of you understand that I have to be certain that the Quran is true, before I start practicing, since there are wo many religions in this world.

            Thanks

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              Bender
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              PEACE Bender,

              I saw it on one of the atheist sites. However I didn't believe it's a contradiction 100%, so I posted it here to clear things up.

              And Hitcham made me read what it actually says.

              I hope all of you understand that I have to be certain that the Quran is true, before I start practicing, since there are wo many religions in this world.

              Thanks

              Hi,

              I did not understand Hichams post, and still do not understand what exactly the contradiction is.
              When you are in doubt just check the arabic, if you can not read it just check the charachters, there are also transliterations available.

              Anyway
              754 Lo! your Lord is Allah Who KHALAQA the heavens and the earth in six Days

              419-12. Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters) Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who KHALAQA the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds. He YA3ALA therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said We come, obedient.Then He QADAHUNNA them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

              You see the difference in usage of the words? There is no ...+...+...

              Salaam,
              Bender

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                hicham9
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                Contrary to popular opinion, vb. lq (&#1602 doesn't mean "create" but apportion. To my knowledge, the qurnic vb. for create is br ().

                Notice how the heaven already existed before it got apportioned, in 4111.

                2 + 2 + 2 = 4 + 2 = 6 millennia

                Can you explain further, I do not understand what you mean.

                I'm afraid, it cannot get any simpler than that /

                If you're wondering how 6 Days became 6 Millennia, then cf. 2247.

                Salute

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  quranic language days are not only 24 hour day.. but also a period of unspecified time..the word have two meanings either a 24 hour day or a period of time unknown.

                  its due to a reason becoz if allah exactly told us 13.7 billion years or whatever .. its contradict becoz at that time people only can count like hundreds or thousands or may be one hundred thousand .. using the figure which havnt got name will make people confuse .. but at this age we can understand the period yoom thingie very well,,,

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    Contrary to popular opinion, vb. lq () doesn't mean "create" but apportion. To my knowledge, the qurnic vb. for create is br ().

                    Notice how the heaven already existed before it got apportioned, in 4111.

                    Can you explain further, I do not understand what you mean.

                    I'm afraid, it cannot get any simpler than that /

                    If you're wondering how 6 Days became 6 Millennia, then cf. 2247.

                    Salute

                    i think you are trying to say one day is equal to 1000 years, and you provide us a reference 22 47

                    well,you are replying him in a very strange mode if we consider this its mean the age of whole cosmos is not more than 6 thousand years,

                    and second thing is this there is no contradiction in these two ayats which he posted ..
                    6 = 4+2
                    lhs =rhs
                    both two verses have same time period but for understanding the calculation of day(yoom) we cant say by yoom God mean is 1000 years why not 50000 years its also written in quran. or billion years,, becoz yoom us unspecified time not even 24 hour 1000 50000 or billions years ,,

                    may be i am understannding you wrong can you please deatiled it .

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                      Noon_waalqalami
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                      Peace, does not involve addition as some were asynchronous i.e. dependent on other events while others synchronous/at same time.

                      1 ???. 2 ???. 3 ???. 4 ???. 5 ???. 6
                      the firmaments and the land in 6 total
                      the land in 2 time frames of the 6 total
                      sustenance its in 4 time frames of 6 total
                      seven firmaments in 2 time frames of 6 total

                      754 surely lord yours the god the one created the firmaments and the land in sextet days ?

                      103 surely lord yours the god the one created the firmaments and the land in sextet days ?

                      117 and he the one created the firmaments and the land in sextet days ?

                      2559 the one created the firmaments and the land and what between them dual in sextet days ?

                      324 the god the one created the firmaments and the land and what between them dual in sextet days ?

                      5038 and indeed created we the firmaments and the land and what between them dual in sextet days and not touched us from weariness

                      574 he the one created the firmaments and the land in sextet days ?

                      419 ? created the land in days two ? 4110 ?. and decree therein sustenance its in quartet days equally for those who ask 4111 furthermore established to the firmament and was smoke so said to it and to the land come dual like of or dislike of said they dual come we obedient 4112 so he completed them seven firmaments in days two ?

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