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How would you translate 19:29/30/31

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    runninglikezebras
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    Just use your reason hafeez. Why would the messenger recite a message that is addressed to himself? Wouldn't that be totally crazy?

    The entire Quran is a message for the follower(s) of the message. When it is not, the names are explicitly mentioned.

    Peace

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      hafeez_kazi
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      Establish (SINGULAR) prayer at the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed. AND from the night, pray with it as additional FOR THEE (SINGULAR) it is expected that THY LORD (SINGULAR) will RAISE THEE (SINGULAR) to a praised station 1778/79

      Both these verses are addressed to a SINGLE person and that very person would be raised to a praised station.

      WHO IS THAT PERSON?

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        runninglikezebras
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        The reader/listener/receiver of the message.

        Peace

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          hafeez_kazi
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          The reader/listener.

          GOOD REPLY

          Everyone is a reader/listener, so everyone will be raised to a praised station.

          Thanks

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            runninglikezebras
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            It is conditional (establish the salat). And you missed a part in your translation "maybe". It does not say "it is expected". It says "maybe/perhaps".

            Establish the salat and it may be that the Lord lifts you to a praised station. Even if you establish the salat, it is no guarantee you will gain more praiseworthiness. But it helps.

            Peace

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              hafeez_kazi
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              You are the first person on the planet who says that these verses (1778/79) are addressed to reader/listener.

              And their purpose was to tempt thee (READER/LISTENER) away from that which We had revealed unto thee (READER/LISTENER), to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (READER/LISTENER) (their) friend! 1773

              And if We had not strengthened you (READER/LISTENER), you (READER/LISTENER) would have almost inclined to them a little 1774

              Then had we made thee (READER/LISTENER) taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou (READER/LISTENER) found no helper against Us 1775

              And they indeed wished to scare thee (READER/LISTENER) from the land that they might drive thee (READER/LISTENER) forth from thence, and then they would have stayed (there) but a little after thee (READER/LISTENER) 1776

              (Such was Our) method in the case of those whom We sent before thee (READER/LISTENER) (to mankind), and thou (READER/LISTENER) wilt not find for Our method aught of power to change 1777

              (READER/LISTENER) Establish prayer at the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed. 1778

              And from the night (READER/LISTENER), pray with it as additional for you (READER/LISTENER); it is expected that your (READER/LISTENER) Lord will raise you (READER/LISTENER) to a praised station. 1779

              And say (READER/LISTENER), "My Lord, cause me (READER/LISTENER) to enter a sound entrance and to exit a sound exit and grant me (READER/LISTENER) from Yourself a supporting
              authority 1780

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                mmkhan
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                The reader/listener/receiver of the message.

                Peace

                Peace brother,

                I agree bravo
                Surely almost all singular forms in alQuraan are direct referring to the reader.
                If we don't take these aayaat directly addressing to us, then it is really difficult to understand the Book of Allah.
                And secondly, it is of no use studying the Book which is not addressing directly to us but to someone else.

                And Rasools and Nabis are not unique, they are simple humans like us. And to my understanding Rasool and Nabi in Arabic are the common words, there is nothing Islamic in it.

                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                mmKhan

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                  runninglikezebras
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                  If you find disharmony by interpreting them as such please show me where you see it. Because I don't see anything problematic about it.

                  Peace

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                    runninglikezebras
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                    Peace brother,

                    I agree bravo
                    Surely almost all singular forms in alQuraan are direct referring to the reader.
                    If we don't take these aayaat directly addressing to us, then it is really difficult to understand the Book of Allah.

                    Thank you for the kind words mmkhan. I would even take it one step further and say "If we don't take these aayaat directly addressing to us, then it is pointless to read them".

                    Peace

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                      hafeez_kazi
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                      Surely almost all singular forms in alQuraan are direct referring to the reader.
                      If we don't take these aayaat directly addressing to us, then it is really difficult to understand the Book of Allah.
                      And secondly, it is of no use studying the Book which is not addressing directly to us but to someone else.

                      Verily We have revealed unto thee (READER/LISTENER) clear tokens, and only miscreants will disbelieve in them. (Al-Baqara 99)

                      And We have sent thee (READER/LISTENER) with the truth, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And thou (READER/LISTENER) wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire. (Al-Baqara 119)

                      We have seen the turning of thy (READER/LISTENER) face to heaven And now verily We shall make thee (READER/LISTENER) turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee (READER/LISTENER). So turn thy (READER/LISTENER) face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. (Al-Baqara 144)

                      They ask thee (READER/LISTENER), of new moons, say

                      They ask thee, (READER/LISTENER), what they shall spend. Say

                      They question thee (READER/LISTENER) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say

                      They question thee (READER/LISTENER) about strong drink and games of chance. Say

                      And they ask thee (READER/LISTENER) what they ought to spend. Say

                      And they question thee (READER/LISTENER) concerning orphans. Say

                      They question thee (READER/LISTENER) concerning menstruation. Say

                      Among the People of the Scripture there is he who, if thou (READER/LISTENER) trust him with a weight of treasure, will return it to thee (READER/LISTENER). And among them there is he who, if thou (READER/LISTENER) trust him with a piece of gold, will not return it to thee (READER/LISTENER) unless thou (READER/LISTENER) keep standing over him. That is because they say We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly. (Aali Imraan 75)

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                        hafeez_kazi
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                        It is no concern at all of thee (READER/LISTENER) whether He relent toward them or punish them; for they are evil-doers

                        And if they deny thee (READER/LISTENER), even so did they deny messengers who were before thee (READER/LISTENER), who came with miracles and with the Psalms and with the Scripture giving light.

                        Hast thou (READER/LISTENER) not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee (LISTENER/READER) and that which was revealed before thee (LISTENER/READER), how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray.

                        But for the grace of Allah upon thee (READER/LISTENER), and His mercy, a party of them had resolved to mislead thee (READER/LISTENER), but they will mislead only themselves and they will hurt thee (READER/LISTENER) not at all. Allah revealeth unto thee (READER/LISTENER) the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth thee (READER/LISTENER) that which thou (READER/LISTENER) knewest not. The grace of Allah toward thee (READER/LISTENER) hath been infinite

                        Lo! We inspire thee (READER/LISTENER) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;

                        And if they deny thee, (READER/LISTENER), messengers (of Allah) were denied before thee (READER/LISTENER). Unto Allah all things are brought back.

                        And thus We have inspired in thee (READER/LISTENER) a Lecture in Arabic, that thou (READER/LISTENER) mayst warn the mother-town and those around it, and mayst warn of a day of assembling whereof there is no doubt.

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                          hawk99
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                          Peace

                          nope true, we are to take the lessons from the Quranic narration/text
                          but the dialogue is to Muhammad. (rasul) and the reader.

                          I appreciate folks erroneously including me with this group but
                          I don't belong with them!

                          Lo! We inspire thee (READER/LISTENER) (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets
                          after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes,
                          and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as
                          We imparted unto David the Psalms;

                          May God bless you all

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                            Man_of_Faith
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                            Everyone translates the root as "establish". How about consider it might mean something else. The root itself has a definition as keep. I would say it has to do with consciousness and the word is used for an Arabic word used to refer to people who have consciousnesses.

                            Be well

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                              mmkhan
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                              Thank you for the kind words mmkhan. I would even take it one step further and say "If we don't take these aayaat directly addressing to us, then it is pointless to read them".

                              Peace

                              Peace bro,

                              Yes I agree with you again there is no point in reading them. handshake

                              May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                              mmKhan

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                                mmkhan
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                                Lo! We inspire thee (READER/LISTENER) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;

                                Peace brother,

                                Thank you for the aayaat.

                                Yes, they all are referring to you and me and others as a reader unless it is addressed by names.
                                Try taking those aayaat as Allah is talking to you and you will see the lot of difference in yourself. Just take a try.

                                As you bold the part of the above aayat, we can talk on that for instance. Don't you think Allah inspired you as those who mentioned in that aayat? If not, then who inspired you and how did you reach up to this level of understanding without Allah's inspiration? You are not like others, compare yourself with those who are far far away from the understanding of the Book and be thankful to your Lord, Allah who inspired you and guided you up to here.

                                There is no way that you can update your level without the inspiration of Allah alone. And please do not forget that Allah is partial and inspired only rasools and nabis and forget you or leave you for others nope Think about it.

                                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                mmKhan

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Peace

                                  nope true, we are to take the lessons from the Quranic narration/text
                                  but the dialogue is to Muhammad. (rasul) and the reader.

                                  Lo! We inspire thee (READER/LISTENER) (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets
                                  after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes,
                                  and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as
                                  We imparted unto David the Psalms;

                                  May God bless you all

                                  Peace bro,

                                  Where did Muhammed came in picture? It is not there in the aayat!

                                  • Can you prove that the dialogue was to Muhammed?
                                  • If you say 'yes' then you have show me, how did Muhammed came in between?
                                  • If you say, alQuraan was given to him, then you have show me from which aayaat did you concluded this?

                                  I appreciate folks erroneously including me with this group but
                                  I don't belong with them!

                                  I knew that

                                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    NK
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                                    فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ ۖ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَن كَانَ فِي الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا

                                    The above verse and the verses that follow are clear that this conversation did not take place when Jesus was an infant in the cradle, but when he had actually been made a prophet. The verb كَانَ in the verse makes it clear that Jesus was not a child in the cradle - A verb of the class called incomplete نَاقِصٌ means "was"

                                    Old and learned Jews would no doubt speak of a young man who was born and brought up before their eyes as a child in the cradle as if disdaining to address one so young. Please correct me If I am wrong.

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                                      Nom_de_plume
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                                      فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ ۖ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَن كَانَ فِي الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا

                                      The above verse and the verses that follow are clear that this conversation did not take place when Jesus was an infant in the cradle, but when he had actually been made a prophet. The verb كَانَ in the verse makes it clear that Jesus was not a child in the cradle - A verb of the class called incomplete نَاقِصٌ means "was"

                                      Old and learned Jews would no doubt speak of a young man who was born and brought up before their eyes as a child in the cradle as if disdaining to address one so young. Please correct me If I am wrong.

                                      ‎1927 فاتت so came she به with him قومها folk hers تحمله taḥmiluhu/she carry him قالوا said they of ىمرىم O Maryam لقد hath assuredly جىت came thou شىىا thing of فرىا bewilderment of
                                      ‎1928 ىاخت O sister هرون Aaron ما not كان kāna/be/was ابوك father your امرا elder سو evil وما and not كانت kānat/be/was she امك mother your بغىا unchaste/immoral of
                                      ‎1929 فاشارت so points she الىه towards him قالوا said they of كىف how نكلم we talk من who كان kāna/be/is فى in المهد l-mahdi/the cradle صبىا ṣabiyyan/kid of (still breastfeeding 0 to 24 months)
                                      ‎1930 قال said انى indeed I عبد devotee الله the God اتىنى has given me الكتب the book وجعلنى and made me نبىا prophet of

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                                        NK
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                                        Nom de plume What is your point? Please elaborate more. Thanks

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                                          Nom de plume Please add one more thing. Please explain to us what rules of Arabic grammar you used to translate كان kāna/be/is. I am not touching on any other topic, just interested in your translation rule of Kana. Thanks .

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