Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, former Quraniyoon
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Peace of The Lord Jesus Christ be upon you all
I was a former quranist, you can see some of my previous posts which I pray you'll disregard now, as I and the entire heavens are under the feet of Jesus Christ, and I retract all the defence of the Quran my hands put forward. I had no idea what Christians believed until I started studying, I pray you all will, at least learn the religion of Christianity properly, with a clean heart & mind, no pre-conceived notions.
This Hafs & Warsh issue is 1 of my top 10 reasons why I left Islam
From a Sunni perspective, they accept both transmissions as "SAHIH", Quran verses and Hadith are both graded in the Sunni religion, based on riwayah, isnad etc...
From the Quraniyoon perspective this issue of the Quran being perfectly preserved by Allah does not work, even for Sunnis by default, it's not true either, most Muslims don't even know this problem exists.
I can say that being a former quranist, I believe that you guys (hadith rejectors) are much more knowledgeable then your average Muslim, but it doesn't work.
The fact is, basically the grand mufti of Saudi, in charge of the king fahd Quran complex in medina was able to over power Allah, and allow 2 variants of the Quran to be printed by his will.
The moment you see 2 variants, in print, being memorised and recited and accepted, with no way to know truly what exactly was allegedly sent down, the whole concept is destroyed
Allah does not exist, Saudi mufti proved to be more powerful then him
Jesus Christ is King of Kings, Lord of Lords
You went from square one to square one!! Congrats!! No one is impressed not even your 'God'..
And all these reasons are probaly the worst reasons ever.
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Did you know that many Christians, the European Christians in particular actually never evolved? They continue to be the same..
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Well,
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And when Allah said, "O Eisa, Son of Maryam, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He said, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
Now it is time for you to change your name from 'Nonmushrik' to 'Amushrik' or 'Mushrik' .
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Incredible that you fell victim to the Christian misconception about Jesus the only "child" of GOD, particularly when I am transmitting the true account for both mainstream Christianity and Islam here. The 'Rabb' (Lord in the Biblical Gospels) testify that Jesus also acknowledged that he had a Foundation above him, so you go against common sense now and swallow the Christian deception.
Jesus meant that he was symbiotic with the Unity of Allah (Allahu ahad in Arabic) and he made no separation of him from the 'Rabb' (Lord), but he did affirm that the Platform (Lord) was beyond his will or control. Jesus was a real nonmushrik because he never separated himself from GOD but saw himself in the grand Unity that there is nothing independently in existence which is not part of GOD. Jesus also said that everyone who do like him would be called children of God, giving away clearly that the word "son" is not intended to be interpreted as a biological phenomenon. Son in this regard is likely supposed to be "be of GOD" as in spiritually linked and absorbed as Jesus also taught "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Logically through connecting that with his statement about Children indicates that people should do the same and he was not exclusively a "son" oF GOD. Everyone who does like him will be on the right hand of the Father.
What Jesus meant is that one must know themselves before they can know GOD because the spirit is clouded by the biological body that we possess until we find the spirit and which we do not carry with us if we make the Transition (Al-akharateh in Arabic) and being spiritually transcended is also possible while we yet not have left our awkward physical body. As Jesus said "Reform, the Kingdom is at hand".
Salaam
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Peace of The Lord Jesus Christ be upon you all
The fact is, basically the grand mufti of Saudi, in charge of the king fahd Quran complex in medina was able to over power Allah, and allow 2 variants of the Quran to be printed by his will.
Allah does not exist, Saudi mufti proved to be more powerful then him
Jesus Christ is King of Kings, Lord of Lords
I'm literally salivating about your future, I'm so excited!
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Did I miss something here? I get that the Qur'an or Islam failed to convince you. But, how did that fact on it's own convince you of the truth of Christianity? I mean, it's not like there's only these 2 options and since you eliminated one of them, the other must be true.
And for someone who can't accept the differences between the 2 variants of Qur'anic scripts, I was shocked to find you being totally convinced of the Christian narratives which you cannot possibly trace to Jesus. The manuscripts available for that Bible you read are not even in the original language!!
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Did I miss something here? I get that the Qur'an or Islam failed to convince you. But, how did that fact on it's own convince you of the truth of Christianity? I mean, it's not like there's only these 2 options and since you eliminated one of them, the other must be true.
And for someone who can't accept the differences between the 2 variants of Qur'anic scripts, I was shocked to find you being totally convinced of the Christian narratives which you cannot possibly trace to Jesus. The manuscripts available for that Bible you read are not even in the original language!!
Peace
--------------- Student of AllahWow, cool! Welcome back!
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Wow, cool! Welcome back!
Shalom Aleikhem FS,
Thanks. Nope! Not going to email you
Hope you guys have been fine.
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem FS,
Thanks. Nope! Not going to email you
Hope you guys have been fine.
Peace
------------- Student of AllahTragic!
Would you like to join in the battle against religious fraud here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373615#msg373615
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Will no one wrastle with me!? Who dares challenge and oppose FreedomStands the "demon" of Allah?! You imply I am a misleader, a devil, one who can not be trusted! Yeah?! So come! Let us do battle! (haha not talking to anyone in particular, and I warn you that opposing me may be detrimental except as a learning experience where you will hear good things from me, but actually doing the opposite of what I say is likely to be disastrous foolishness). Maybe they know that opposing me is foolish so that is why they don't fight me but a little with sly remarks and underhanded insults. Come and face the Red Hand of the truth, Red from Slapping the faces sharply of those who can not see in order that they might brace themselves at the very least, let alone dodge it if possible, straining their neck in the process, or falling prostrate before it is too late!
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Did I miss something here? I get that the Qur'an or Islam failed to convince you. But, how did that fact on it's own convince you of the truth of Christianity? I mean, it's not like there's only these 2 options and since you eliminated one of them, the other must be true.
And for someone who can't accept the differences between the 2 variants of Qur'anic scripts, I was shocked to find you being totally convinced of the Christian narratives which you cannot possibly trace to Jesus. The manuscripts available for that Bible you read are not even in the original language!!
Peace
--------------- Student of AllahExactly!!
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None of us know for sure what anyone's religion is, especially nonmushrik, who now claims to be an Atheist. Perhaps the same religion as me? You people call it the religion of Trolls.
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This purported christian coming to point faults in the Qur'an must be one of the best illustrations of straining at gnats and swallowing a camel.
Hope he has a good stomach.
Salaam
MashaAllah. I couldnt help but laugh at this.
On a serious note though, we now know that the true Quran was perfectly preserved with Gods 19 based mathermatical code