Quran's mistaken Trinity (Allah, Mary & Jesus) part 1 & 2
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Much better trinity in medieval literature
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termagant
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There is trinity mixing when a child is born, i.e. the father, the mother and the secret spirit of the Rabb.
Be well
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The First post in this thread gave links to 2 youtube links. I didn't see them yet, but I wonder if they will be about the Collyridians, a Christian sect in ancient Syria that worshipped the Blessed Virgin Mary and even consecrated bread and wine to become her body and blood. Also, there were Gnostic Christian sects who considered the Blessed Virgin Mary to be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. When ultra-fundamentalist Evangelical Christian want to attack the veracity of the Quran, I would just pull out the Book by Lutheran Christian scholars which has a catalog of these sects in early Christianity. That would put a stop to their argument.
One way some more learned Evangelical Christians try to convert Muslims is to point out the Muslim believe the Quran has always existed and is therefore Eternal, and they will say that all Muslims need to do is believe the Holy Spirit has always existed to believe the Trinity. When I was challenged with that argument, I pointed out that this theory that the Quran has always existed is a Sunni belief. The Classic Mutazilites believed and the Shia sects believe the Quran is a creation given by God, just as Unitarian Christians believe the Divine Logos/Word of God is a creature. If God did not create the Word, where did it come from?
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The First post in this thread gave links to 2 youtube links. I didn't see them yet, but I wonder if they will be about the Collyridians, a Christian sect in ancient Syria that worshipped the Blessed Virgin Mary and even consecrated bread and wine to become her body and blood. Also, there were Gnostic Christian sects who considered the Blessed Virgin Mary to be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. When ultra-fundamentalist Evangelical Christian want to attack the veracity of the Quran, I would just pull out the Book by Lutheran Christian scholars which has a catalog of these sects in early Christianity. That would put a stop to their argument.
One way some more learned Evangelical Christians try to convert Muslims is to point out the Muslim believe the Quran has always existed and is therefore Eternal, and they will say that all Muslims need to do is believe the Holy Spirit has always existed to believe the Trinity. When I was challenged with that argument, I pointed out that this theory that the Quran has always existed is a Sunni belief. The Classic Mutazilites believed and the Shia sects believe the Quran is a creation given by God, just as Unitarian Christians believe the Divine Logos/Word of God is a creature. If God did not create the Word, where did it come from?
I'm always pleased when supposed Muslims become Christians, because it is actually impossible. If such a thing happens, it is only an evildoer coming to light, someone God has cursed to be mad.
I invite all Muslims to become Christians, anyone who can stomach Christianity and is attracted to it should follow it immediately and without hesitation.
Whatever you want to follow, don't let Islam hold you back, simply go for it and see where it takes you!
Islam is only suitable for people with certain allergies or intolerance. If you don't have the allergies, then why act like a diabetic?
If a person loves alcohol and thinks its actually a good idea, then they should guzzle it down.
If a person loves being sexual with random women, then why not indulge? Do they fear anything at all? Clearly not much, so why be a luke-warm Muslim when you can be a full blown whatever you really want to be?
I invite you all to "follow your heart" (wherever its disease takes you).
I have no argument with evangelicals. Their beliefs simply make my stomach turn, its like poison to me. If I'm a devil because I abhor them and their religion, then so be it! There isn't a spirit inside of me, they would have to exorcise the whole person.
Why would I want such people to accompany me anywhere? I have no desire to save them or see their ugly faces around me. Maybe God hates them, as I certainly do.
An evangelical wants me to become a Christian. The answer is I can't. Just like they can't become Muslims. We just can't do it. They abhor Islam, I abhor Christianity. They want me to convert or die, I simply want them to die. That is why I can listen humbly to their petitions, and even say "Ah, I see". If they ask me to go to a church, I have to say I'm busy. Luckily though I never interact with Christians in person, if a conversation comes up about religion I'd try to avoid it for sure.
They can't understand anything I'd say, and I have no idea how they can tolerate saying all the blasphemy they do, so we're at complete odds.
My desire would be to eliminate their brains and make them zombie slaves to me if they are half attractive, or maybe turn them in to skeletons so I don't have to see their faces. So the idea of someone telling me about Jesus while I'm thinking about them marching along as skeletons gathering delicious juice for me to drink is pretty humorous.
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I do not find it so strange that Muslims convert to Christianity. I would have done it myself if I did not be so stubborn in believing something was wrong with the the mainstream interpretation of Quran and investigated. Christianity without the belief in Jesus as the son of God would have been my pick in that case and that Jesus taught that everyone could be children of the Father as the Biblical Gospels actually say.
Be well
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I do not find it so strange that Muslims convert to Christianity. I would have done it myself if I did not be so stubborn in believing something was wrong with the the mainstream interpretation of Quran and investigated. Christianity without the belief in Jesus as the son of God would have been my pick in that case and that Jesus taught that everyone could be children of the Father as the Biblical Gospels actually say.
Be well
I consider myself the kind of Christian you mentioned anyway, but maybe not that great of one if I think about it, since I really hate so many parts of the Bible and consider it super disturbing (the mainstream Qur'an doesn't bother me much at all, its just whatever, but the Bible is so disturbing to me with the grotesque stuff they are said to be doing in it sometimes).
So if believing the Bible is good or true is a pre-requisite I think I wouldn't qualify, but if its just a matter of being very much in alignment with most aspects of the religion as described by Paul and perhaps Jesus (but I think I have used far more Pauline quotes than those attributed to Jesus), then I would probably qualify, at least in my behavior and goals.
Job from the Old Testament and Paul from the New Testament would sum up my religion.
Job talks about the completely uncontrolled and free power of God (it actually has some annoying parts perhaps like the whole context and the beginning) and then Paul's writings often contain really good stuff.
I'm not really a big fan of Jesus or the behavior associated with Jesus in the Bible.
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I'm not really a big fan of Jesus or the behavior associated with Jesus in the Bible.
You should be because there is a great lesson in that. And Quran echoes much of the same teaching.
My spiritual teachings are highly based on Jesus and because Quran is based on the same. It is only that you need to understand what he really said.
Be well
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You should be because there is a great lesson in that. And Quran echoes much of the same teaching.
My spiritual teachings are highly based on Jesus and because Quran is based on the same. It is only that you need to understand what he really said.
Be well
I just mean the attitude the way they depict it sometimes, like in one episode in the mainstream Bible he is kind of ignoring a pleading Canaanite and then says some of the things that seem kind of rude at times, but I don't think he was like that necessarily.
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I just mean the attitude the way they depict it sometimes, like in one episode in the mainstream Bible he is kind of ignoring a pleading Canaanite and then says some of the things that seem kind of rude at times, but I don't think he was like that necessarily.
He can be a bit sarcastic in certain situations, but imagine yourself the pressure on him with all the opposition when he countered the clergy and fanatical sectarians. I admire his calm despite the situations in there. However, he was never saying anything which was not absolutely true even though he was blunt, and he saved his harsh words for those who really were hypocrites.
If you understand his parables all the time you notice more hidden sarcasm from his part, or rather the Father since he said "my words are not my own but of the one who sent me".
Be well
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He can be a bit sarcastic in certain situations, but imagine yourself the pressure on him with all the opposition when he countered the clergy and fanatical sectarians. I admire his calm despite the situations in there. However, he was never saying anything which was not absolutely true even though he was blunt, and he saved his harsh words for those who really were hypocrites.
If you understand his parables all the time you notice more hidden sarcasm from his part, or rather the Father since he said "my words are not my own but of the one who sent me".
Be well
Qur'an can be like that too, at least the mainstream translations, a bit sarcastic seeming at times.