A Surah like it challenge, really? Divine authorship?
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A very strange challenge from allah, maybe I'm wrong?
Here's a few of my challenges to rival allah
"If you doubt about what I have revealed to 50 cent, then produce an album like get rich or die trying and call your witnesses, but if you can't, then fear a fire that I have prepared for you!"
"If you are in doubt about my servant christopher nolan, then produce a dark knight trilogy like his, but if you can't, know you will enter hell!"
You see the logic here, you can use this for anything,
"produce a play like shakespeare"
None of you in this forum can, no one can make an album like jay z etc...
This does not prove divine authorship in anyway!
Peace Nonmushrik
No offence, but you miss the meaning of the ayats, the point is no one can
produce a word or a sentence or chapter of revelation from God without
his permission, the point is Muhammad was not a fabricator, the Quran
is from the lord of the worlds.Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to
produce a Quran like this, they can never produce anything like it, no matter
how much assistance they lent one another."Uh just in case there are those folks who like to go over translations the
translation is not the point but the contextGod bless you
peace
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Are you aware of surah al khal and surah al hafd, which are being RECITED today by sunni muslims, memorised, WORLDWIDE?
Worldwide?
I live in Indonesia, and I think that the type of "Islam" which is most popular in Indonesia is basically Sunni. And I did not know about those two surahs, and I don't think they are commonly known in here.
What's your real purpose of being here?
I hope you still not totally blind. If you still have fear of Allah, then I think you should repent before you become totally blind.
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Hicham9, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs? As far as I'm concerned this sheikh accepts them as ABROGATED Surahs.
My question to you, and everyone on free minds, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs? Tell me why they don't meet the standards of the Quran?
It's a circular argument for you, you'll never accept any Surah, no matter how good it is.
Tell me why sheikhs of the sunnah accept them, but you don't?
Javalatte, next time you meet a Muslim recite those 2 Surahs to them, don't tell them them anything about what you recite, ask them, what is this? I guarantee they'll say "this is dua qunoot"
Laymen muslims are ignorant, so they they won't know them by Surah names, the scholars do.
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Hicham9, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs?
Because, in my book, they are of a rather trivial, mundane nature!
As far as I'm concerned this sheikh accepts them as ABROGATED Surahs.
You sincerely expect me to blindly trust/follow a sectarian charlatan of your choice!?
My question to you, and everyone on free minds, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs?
Tell me why they don't meet the standards of the Quran?
Long story short They are definitely NOT qurnic-like.
... you'll never accept any Surah, no matter how good it is.
Last time I checked, you couldn't produce even a single array like it!
& you're the one who stubbornly/nonobjectively refuses to acknowledge/endorse the simple fact that such an enlightening memorandum could NOT have been "fabricated by a false-prophet" !
Tell me why sheikhs of the sunnah accept them, but you don't?
Because G-D, my One and Only Master, exposed both of ye .
Laymen muslims are ignorant, so they they won't know them by Surah names, the scholars do.
There is no such a thing as "laymen muslims" !
Clearly, you have no idea what a mslm nf (QA ڡ is, you ignorant.
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I'm sorry, I forgot, your Quraniyoon, here to save the Muslim ummah. Enjoy your self made scholarship.
Do you understand your a kafir in the eyes of Muslim scholars upon Quran and sunnah?
Do you understand quranists are a laughing stock to the sunni and shia ummah?
You know better then muhammad and his companions and the 2 generations after them?
You know better then the clergymen in saudi, the very people who passed the "quran" down to you?
I'm done with you, either tell me why they aren't surahs or leave this topic alone!
Why are they mundane? Charlatan of my choice? Charlatans in plural actually, responsible for the rulings of over 1.5 billion Muslims! Why are they not quran like?
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"If all the men and demons got together to produce the like of The Godfather trilogy, they could never do it, again, no for sure, they will never be able to produce the like of it!"
You know what's funny, not even the Hollywood of this generation and the generations of Hollywood to come will be able to produce a classical masterpiece like the Godfather trilogy, brilliant movie set, can't be imitated.
Thank you prophet Francis Ford Coppola!
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You, nonmushrik remind of the fox who wanted to get at the grapes and couldn't and then said they are not ripe.
Don't bother to bring so much effort into prooving nothing.
We here are all very happy and busy eating ripe grapes.
Try a jihadi site or something, you might meet your likes there.
Salaam
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Surah means so much more than chapter if you take a sincere look in an ancient Arabic lexicon. The extracted interpretation is likely induced by the sectarian medieval interpreters.
But a lazy way out is certainly to embrace Christianity although I would never revert to the mainstream church. They go against what the Biblical Gospels teach textually.
I prefer to keep Quran but instead "look behind the scenes" to find what the sects do not care to look for. Quran is a sequel to the Biblical Gospels as it teaches the same philosophy of life and nature of GOD, but not as the sectarian Christianity does.
It is a bit to follow others blindly to do like you have done, nonmushrik.
Salaam
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Worldwide?
I live in Indonesia, and I think that the type of "Islam" which is most popular in Indonesia is basically Sunni. And I did not know about those two surahs, and I don't think they are commonly known in here.
What's your real purpose of being here?
I hope you still not totally blind. If you still have fear of Allah, then I think you should repent before you become totally blind.
I agree!
Even I don't know what those two things are and as far as I know, no body know what they are in my area.
At my first look at those two things, I got that they cannot be a part of alQuraan because
- No sura in alQuraan starts with Allahumma, hence they are NOT LIKE the suras of alQuraan. They are fake.
Besides that
- alQuraan is already complete and nothing can be added later.
- We will be asked from the syllabus we have given from our Lord, so nothing to worry for us, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect us and increase our knowledge to judge the right over wrong pr
mmKhan -
Peace Nonmushrik.
There is no compulsion in "deen"
You are free to choose any religion you want.
But please be aware that religious leaders whether in Judaism, Christianity , Traditional Islam or any other sect/religion...have created laws/doctrines/rules that have never been authorised by GOD.
GOD want us to be a "true Muslim" to HIM( no gender...) Alone ,not "Muslims to religious leaders...
There is another challenge we all need to take up, finding the truth. Using our eyes.ears and brain to verify everything ourselves.
Giving links/websites...are opinions of others that need to be checked,like for example
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VRR5OCOQU
Double check all information, nobody is responsible for another .
GOD bless you.
Peace.