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So, in order to kneel before G-D I need to "perform namaz"!?
Well what do you do? Do you do any kind of meditative exercise thing like namaz or formal worship or any of the parts of it?
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Only part of the story
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Summary-problems-sujud-prostration-Quran.htmlGood points, but it has generally been used in reference to human beings as a physical practice. So we know what hitting is for example, but if one says the light of the sun hit the moon, it might mean differently than if one said the man hit the other man.
So the meaning of the word seems to have been rather well established in use as referring to the kowtow when it comes to human figures at least.
Nice points and article though, thank you for that.
So you also don't perform the formal worship?
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I would think of it as disrespect to Creator.
Peace reel, how would turning to Allah with your question be disrespectful?
The fact is that hardly anyone remembers Allah in his salat
How did you arrive at this fact?
then why we need to offer the robotic ritual Salat?
I think you confuse ritual with rote.
Peace hafeez kazi, Man of faith and Wakas do you brothers fast the month of Ramadan?
God bless
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Peace Hawk
The fact is that hardly anyone remembers Allah in his salat
My definition of remembrance (you may not agree)
To keep in mind (someone) who is worthy of consideration
In the salat the whole concentration is on the recitation, the ruku, the sujud, the tahiyyat, the salam and the units completed and to be completed. Where is the time in the salat to remember Allah?
And if you fear on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember Allah, as He has taught you that which you did not know. (Al-Baqara 239)
Remembrance is after salat, WHY? How to remember Allah was taught to the people of the prophet but somehow it did not reach us. The command when secure should have been to offer prayer and not to remember Allah.
And when you have completed the prayer, remember Allah standing, sitting, or on your sides. But when you become secure, re-establish prayer. Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times. (An-Nisaa 103)
The believers already remembered Allah in the salat then why again a command to the believers to remember Allah by standing, sitting or lying on sides?
Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day are signs Unto the men of understanding. Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You ; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire. (Aali Imraan 191)
O you who have believed, remember Allah with much remembrance (Al-Ahzaab 41)
And remember thou the name of thy Lord in the morning and in the evening. (Al-Insaan 25)
And remember your Lord within yourself in humility and in fear without being apparent in speech - in the mornings and the evenings. And do not be among the heedless. (Al-A'raaf 205)
Remember Me wherefore, and I shall remember you and unto Me give thanks, and be not ingrate unto Me. (Al-Baqara 152)
And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves , remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins - and who can forgive sins except Allah? - and do not persist in what they have done while they know. (Aali Imraan 135)
Not once did Allah say that remember me in the salat.
men whom neither commerce nor sale distracts from the remembrance of Allah and (from) establishing the prayer (established for the remembrance of Allah) and giving of zakah. They fear a Day in which the hearts and eyes will turn about 2437
Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and (from) salat.(established from the remembrance of Allah) So will you not desist? 591
This proves that the salat is not for the remembrance of Allah.
I fast because it is detailed in the Quran and not like the ritual salat which has no details in the Quran. If the details of salat were mentioned in the Quran then definitely I would have followed it.
Thanks
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Qurnic lh () has naught to do with the Sunni tradition of namaz!
SLM
Now this is truly interesting!
Could you please elaborate what does Sloh mean?
Thank youPeace
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Certainly, if it is a problem or seems like lip service to say God is Great we are not understanding really or believing in what we are saying, and thus should not say it.
There is no "praise" of Allah, in the sense that we praise a human being, often falsely, to make them feel approved of.
Whatever is recited by the angels who glorify Allah are merely facts, truths, reminders to ourselves, not really "praise" the way the word has come to mean these days.
Allah simply IS the Greatest or only Great one, not "Great" as in us showing approval, but Great in absolutely every sense, that all Greatness belongs to Allah alone, the sole power.
There is no "praise" of Allah in the whole Qur'an, its all just stating what are supposed to be truths.
So if one understands what they are doing and what they are saying, it won't seem like "lip service" as we're not doing it for Allah and Allah gains nothing from any of it, it is for us to remember the truths regarding Allah and focus ourselves and bring ourselves into a state of re-aligning throughout the day.
Good deeds are another practice, but if one correctly understands the meditative exercise of worship as a reminder and re-aligning of our thoughts and focus, one may derive some benefit from it.
If your worship is merely lip service, and you think the praises are false and for the gratification of Allah, then leave off the prayer, as they may not be of any use to you anyway.
Is there a command for ritual worship in Qur'an? How we serve Allah? Is it by performing rituals or by serving others as per Allah's guidance in Qur'an?
A ritual might give you comfort but does that makes it a requirement?
When Allah is not in need of anything from us then why these rituals are promoted in the name of Allah. Every religion (a man made set of rules and rituals) and every culture has their rituals and they all think that they are on the right path and they find self satisfaction in it.
Do we have to follow our elders blindly or do some thinking to find out the truth? Allah has commanded us many times in Qur'an to use our brains and do thinking.
Such discussions are endless so in the end I do what Allah has guided me to do through Qur'an. May Allah help us to understand His book.
Salam
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Hawk99,
No. I do not fast.
However, I have worked on seriously refraining from consuming food and drink which my instincts would have me do which does not exactly have to do with that it is this Ramadhan.
Maintaining this is probably better than a long marathon fast, because it takes spiritual discipline to avoid the temptation of eating tasty things.
If I knew it was not a fake practice then obviously I would do it. Just like with that salat it is not because I am too arrogant to do it but merely because it serves no purpose to me and is a fabricated practice out of an innocent text. I see it as only unnecessary suffering to fast for a prolonged period. I could fast for 1 - 2 days, but that would be for the health benefits. My work on regulated consumption far exceeds the benefits if any of a marathon fast.
The stunted eating in Ramadhan is only annoying. It is easier to fast a few days eating or drinking nothing at all. The stunted eating messes up my metabolism.
Be well
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Novice,
Your perception is all sound. You should only know Allah is not the name for your Teacher but Rabb is. Allah is a sectarian confusion by old interpreters.
"Jews" also have Allah/Elohim in their faith and language, but why do they not use it?
It does not mean what you or the Arabs think. They even think they have exclusive claim on it while the same word existed in Aramaic and people who were not Arabs. It is not merely an Arabic word.
Elah stems from when Moses came to meet with the Rabb and he asked about the Rabb and the Rabb replied "I am who am I", and Elah is a third person version of this expression, i.e. "who is" . Elohim is the plural version (who are). It is to say you exist (you are) rather than are lifeless (al-mowt).
Verily I promise you that it is like this.
Elah/Allah is just a feature of the linguistic structure of these languages but ignorant people have picked it to be an idol.
is a related grammatical word but with another pronoun suffix.
Be well
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Simply AL alone means "such is". The twice Lam is "Be Such as Such as", if you understand my elaboration. Adding the end suffix merely adds a third person ending (which in Arabic/Aramic is genderless and can be both an item or a person. Although, if the word was supposed to be a singular entity it would use the letter , i.e. Allah is not even treated as a noun grammatically but an adverb of sorts.
Connect it to the "I am who am I" that was said to Moses. You see it clearly then.
Be well
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Is there a command for ritual worship in Qur'an? How we serve Allah? Is it by performing rituals or by serving others as per Allah's guidance in Qur'an?
A ritual might give you comfort but does that makes it a requirement?
When Allah is not in need of anything from us then why these rituals are promoted in the name of Allah. Every religion (a man made set of rules and rituals) and every culture has their rituals and they all think that they are on the right path and they find self satisfaction in it.
Do we have to follow our elders blindly or do some thinking to find out the truth? Allah has commanded us many times in Qur'an to use our brains and do thinking.
Such discussions are endless so in the end I do what Allah has guided me to do through Qur'an. May Allah help us to understand His book.
Salam
What has Allah guided you to do?
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Hawk brother, I didn't understand your question. Could you reword it?
Something clicked in my head. Some weeks ago, for the first time I went to an American mosque. People there were from different countries doing the Friday prayer. I was actually surprised to see that no two people prayed in the same way and it didnt seem like the result of sects, but cultures of their countries. The physical activities didn't fully match. But I suppose each was thinking that their own was valid. This is the case of traditionalists.
In the end, I suppose, it is for Allah to decide which one of us is right. As op points out, if any of us is satisfied with a prayer involving physical activities continue doing it. Those of us who don't see any logic in it should carry on with this view or research until satisfied.
May we be all guided by Allah
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Good points, but it has generally been used in reference to human beings as a physical practice. So we know what hitting is for example, but if one says the light of the sun hit the moon, it might mean differently than if one said the man hit the other man.
So the meaning of the word seems to have been rather well established in use as referring to the kowtow when it comes to human figures at least.
Nice points and article though, thank you for that.
Actually, most of the occurrences involving human SJD show it does not mean physical prostration.
So you also don't perform the formal worship?
I assume you are referring to the Traditional Muslim ritual prayer - if so, no (or rarely), but I am not averse to it. There is some overlap between what Quran says about salat and Traditional Muslim ritual prayer. The problem only arises if someone says "you MUST do it in a specific manner", as "must" is the strongest word one can use and is rarely warranted based on the evidence.
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Peace agphys.
You are right. No agreement in the foreseeable future. Well .some are waiting to receive thir own scripture and instruction individually?!!!
If you read all the threads,there was a comment from FS which basically implied that some people have a Qoran that is missing few pages!It seems bibles and Qorans have so many different interpretations, and people are going to differ continuously.
GOD sends messengers,but our ego thinks that we are cleverer and smarter than these human messengers that eat food,go to the market , give their own opinions and make mistakes and....
They do not realise that when they deliver a message and that message is confirmed by GOD s scripture that they are clarifying the differences.
And on and on each generation not learning a lesson.
GOD bless you.
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Actually, most of the occurrences involving human SJD show it does not mean physical prostration.
I assume you are referring to the Traditional Muslim ritual prayer - if so, no (or rarely), but I am not averse to it. There is some overlap between what Quran says about salat and Traditional Muslim ritual prayer. The problem only arises if someone says "you MUST do it in a specific manner", as "must" is the strongest word one can use and is rarely warranted based on the evidence.
Oh yeah, I meant that sjd has generally been recognized as meaning prostrating when used in the language, at least these days, or else it would be kind of absurd that the linguists chose that to define the word if in its usage it never really means prostration at all, I'd imagine.
Yeah, I don't say "must" at least, and I agree it can be done in other ways than the Hadith based version for sure, but I think I would like to see the ancient kowtow expression in there.
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I have once again started my research on the beginning days of the thing called hadith. Found an interesting thing in conartist Shafi's book about anti hadith groups who he tagged as followers of Quran only.
Then he said Whoever does (only) what is required of him in the quran as salah and gives the minimum as zakah has performed his duty. There is no established time for that, whether he prays two rakah everyday or he said every few days. Moreover, he says, ?whatever is not in the book of God is not required of anyone.
So it seems debate over salaat is not new. People of the time had very lenient view of it and this is what Mr Shafi didn't like.
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The reason is because it is not clear since it is an artificial fabricated ritual.
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