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There Is A Sober Religious and Religion

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    Man_of_Faith
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    The best is not to adhere to any religion at all but common sense and soundness.

    That the reinterpreted Quran reveals a sensible book is not my fault though.

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      FreedomStands
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      My religion is Strategy in a world belonging to Horror.

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        Jafar
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        My religion is Strategy in a world belonging to Horror.

        Strategy? To achieve what goal?

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          FreedomStands
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          Strategy? To achieve what goal?

          Survival, and comfortable survival if possible. To do your best to survive (continue to experience) and survive comfortably if you can (the pursuit of what is better, more pleasing, comfort, safety, etc).

          Since it is clear we might not be able to continue living, we invest a little in other things too.

          The people who call themselves Buddhists are not always peaceful, historically or in modern times.

          There have been and are today radical Buddhists and Buddhist sects that support violence and other things. In Japan and other places there had also been some very radical and violent Buddhist sects. Buddhism is also full of bloody stories at times in Asia at least. It just isn't talked about too much on TV or promoted worldwide like the Muslim stuff is almost non-stop.

          So the same kind of violent freaks, followers and leaders, pop up everywhere, among atheists, materialists, communists, capitalists, socialists, anarchists, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans and whatever else.

          It is because the humans have at times a tendency towards violence, just like other animals.

          If religion was banned, governments, politics, and everything else, it would not change human's tendency to want to fight and kill which can be based on anything from chemical reactions and scents and other things which can alter mood and information interpretation or reaction. So usually the people who suggest such measures seem reactive and unsophisticated themselves.

          Certainly, there could be no wars among humans if every single human was put to death. Yet, War is what we're made of, born into a world of War as a Warrior race. We are rapists and killers, that is what we do. How so?

          We kill the plants and the animals to survive, taking whatever we need or want from things which don't consent.

          We also rape and impose ourselves on others, with our ideas and opinions and even our presence, influencing their thoughts and world.

          For example, watch me penetrate you, and you'll be helpless against my penetration when I say the word "Dog". In order to understand that word, you need to simulate or bring up some concept of the idea "Dog" to try to even understand what is going on or being said. "Cat". There, I did it again. "Airplane". How does it feel to have your mind influenced and raped repeatedly by me?

          Likewise, we are raped by the storytellers who tell us tales that might get us emotionally attached to characters, then they kill them, like how Disney raped so many children's minds with Bambi, scarring them for life with disturbing trauma.

          Then, the Supreme Rapist, Life itself or Reality, the Ultimate causation or responsible for any of the animation, forced us from the beginning. You didn't ask to be born as far as you know, nor did you ask for the trouble that occurs in your life, all the hardship and struggles. You're born into a brutal existence, even if you have everything given to you, there is still aging, death, the suffering of others (if you are compassionate), and whatever else.

          So it is all bad.

          So all one can do is try to survive, and survive comfortably, which requires apparently that we do some raping and killing at least.

          We kill each other all the time, even without killing each other literally, by being part of factors which influence changes, so that your former self can not be said to exist anymore, it is no longer in existence. Had we not talked to you, "time" would have killed that former individual anyway, at least in some small way, and it is by Death which you "live" or continue to experience things, in every way.

          So Islamic terrorists are just one element of sht in a Universe made of sht . Even the stars are destroyed, and the plants are burned away, not able to get water, and the things in the sea they suffer and struggle too.

          I once picked up a bunch of sea sponges when I was little, and put them in a bucket filled with water, and they filled the bucket with urine, and I don't know if they killed themselves that way or what, I hope they didn't, but I took them back to the sea, but they even poisoned their own environment just by living.

          Think how terrible it all is. Then to top it off, the Buddhists have their own terrorists and criminals, all throughout the history.

          The cause of it all can be said to be the cause of all that we consider evil. There is no comforting anyone wise. There is only this realization, and only then do we truly realize we are Surrendered, because there isn't much we can even do about it, we can just try what seems best to us, minimize the suffering and anxiety induction as best we can, while murdering, raping, and pillaging as we do.

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            Jafar
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            Survival, and comfortable survival if possible. To do your best to survive (continue to experience) and survive comfortably if you can (the pursuit of what is better, more pleasing, comfort, safety, etc).
            It is because the humans have at times a tendency towards violence, just like other animals.

            Human is part of animal kingdom..
            The instinct for 'survival' is hardwired within their brain.
            The most important part of the brain, which shall received high priority of interrupt to the mind.
            Dubbed "The reptilian brain"..
            It controls

            • Fear (Fight or flee)
            • Hunger/Thirst
            • Sex

            The last component is key for survivability of the species..

            The people who call themselves Buddhists are not always peaceful, historically or in modern times.

            There have been and are today radical Buddhists and Buddhist sects that support violence and other things. In Japan and other places there had also been some very radical and violent Buddhist sects. Buddhism is also full of bloody stories at times in Asia at least. It just isn't talked about too much on TV or promoted worldwide like the Muslim stuff is almost non-stop.

            So the same kind of violent freaks, followers and leaders, pop up everywhere, among atheists, materialists, communists, capitalists, socialists, anarchists, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans and whatever else.

            When a group of human perceived a "Threat" to the survivability of either

            • Themselves
            • Their group
            • Their culture / way of life

            Their reptilian brain, the highest priority, will resorted to any means necessary to wipe out such threat.

            A good example is the today's (Traditional) Jews, (Traditional) Arabs/Muslims or Buddhist in Myanmar (Rohingya Conflict)

            If religion was banned, governments, politics, and everything else, it would not change human's tendency to want to fight and kill which can be based on anything from chemical reactions and scents and other things which can alter mood and information interpretation or reaction. So usually the people who suggest such measures seem reactive and unsophisticated themselves.

            The way to ban religion is to erect / promote another religion
            The way to ban government is to erect / promote another government
            Which of course shall not be a solution to the problem..

            Certainly, there could be no wars among humans if every single human was put to death. Yet, War is what we're made of, born into a world of War as a Warrior race. We are rapists and killers, that is what we do. How so?
            We kill the plants and the animals to survive, taking whatever we need or want from things which don't consent.

            A common pattern among big apes with Patriarchal society (Male hold the primary power).
            Most human along with their close patriarchal cousin the chimps and gorilla are indeed an aggressive animal.
            They hunt in group and resolve their internal conflict through violence..

            Big apes with matriarchal society however shows the opposite pattern of behavior.
            Example; Bonobo, and small subset of human.
            And most of them are vegetarian..

            Think how terrible it all is. Then to top it off, the Buddhists have their own terrorists and criminals, all throughout the history.

            The cause of it all can be said to be the cause of all that we consider evil. There is no comforting anyone wise. There is only this realization, and only then do we truly realize we are Surrendered, because there isn't much we can even do about it, we can just try what seems best to us, minimize the suffering and anxiety induction as best we can, while murdering, raping, and pillaging as we do.

            Without evil there will be no good.
            Without good there will be no evil.

            I saluted Mr Siddhartha Gautama for his "undogmatic" teaching..
            He advised others to trust their own reason and common sense..

            A stark contrast to "another prominent figure" which possessed an acute narcissistic character disorder by asking everyone to proclaim that he is God's messenger..

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              FreedomStands
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              Human is part of animal kingdom..
              The instinct for 'survival' is hardwired within their brain.
              The most important part of the brain, which shall received high priority of interrupt to the mind.
              Dubbed "The reptilian brain"..
              It controls

              • Fear (Fight or flee)
              • Hunger/Thirst
              • Sex

              The last component is key for survivability of the species..

              When a group of human perceived a "Threat" to the survivability of either

              • Themselves
              • Their group
              • Their culture / way of life

              Their reptilian brain, the highest priority, will resorted to any means necessary to wipe out such threat.

              A good example is the today's (Traditional) Jews, (Traditional) Arabs/Muslims or Buddhist in Myanmar (Rohingya Conflict)

              The way to ban religion is to erect / promote another religion
              The way to ban government is to erect / promote another government
              Which of course shall not be a solution to the problem..

              A common pattern among big apes with Patriarchal society (Male hold the primary power).
              Most human along with their close patriarchal cousin the chimps and gorilla are indeed an aggressive animal.
              They hunt in group and resolve their internal conflict through violence..

              Big apes with matriarchal society however shows the opposite pattern of behavior.
              Example; Bonobo, and small subset of human.
              And most of them are vegetarian..

              Without evil there will be no good.
              Without good there will be no evil.

              I saluted Mr Siddhartha Gautama for his "undogmatic" teaching..
              He advised others to trust their own reason and common sense..

              A stark contrast to "another prominent figure" which possessed an acute narcissistic character disorder by asking everyone to proclaim that he is God's messenger..

              Good post, I enjoyed it. Thank you for taking the time to write it out.

              I believe in the possibility of what I call "good" to exist without what I call "evil" but I understand what you mean though of course.

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                Armanaziz
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                A stark contrast to "another prominent figure" which possessed an acute narcissistic character disorder by asking everyone to proclaim that he is God's messenger..

                "Whereas some ascetics and Brahmins remain addicted to disputation such as

                ?You don't understand this doctrine and discipline - I do!?
                "How could you understand this doctrine and discipline?"
                ?Your way is all wrong - mine is right!?
                "I am consistent - you aren't!"
                ?You said last what you should have said first, and you said first what you should have said last!?
                "What you took so long to think up has been refuted!"
                ?Your argument has been overthrown, you're defeated!?
                "Go on, save your doctrine - get out of that if you can!"

                The ascetic Gotama refrains from such disputation."

                (From Brahmajala Sutta attributed to Siddhartha Gautama; Source
                http//buddhasutra.com/files/brahmajala_sutta.htm)

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                  Jafar
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                  "Whereas some ascetics and Brahmins remain addicted to disputation such as

                  ?You don't understand this doctrine and discipline - I do!?
                  "How could you understand this doctrine and discipline?"
                  ?Your way is all wrong - mine is right!?
                  "I am consistent - you aren't!"
                  ?You said last what you should have said first, and you said first what you should have said last!?
                  "What you took so long to think up has been refuted!"
                  ?Your argument has been overthrown, you're defeated!?
                  "Go on, save your doctrine - get out of that if you can!"

                  The ascetic Gotama refrains from such disputation."

                  (From Brahmajala Sutta attributed to Siddhartha Gautama; Source
                  http//buddhasutra.com/files/brahmajala_sutta.htm)

                  Sounds familiar isn't it? rotfl
                  Commonly found even within this forum..
                  They're not trying to find the truth, they just defending their EGO.

                  And that's why

                  http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-iHWMOKNld-U/UGG7jp7Xo2I/AAAAAAABhi4/OFm21g78254/s640/ego_by_einstein.png

                  While the truth is actually

                  http//penelopesoasis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/budda.jpg

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                    FreedomStands
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                    Sounds familiar isn't it? rotfl
                    Commonly found even within this forum..
                    They're not trying to find the truth, they just defending their EGO.

                    And that's why

                    http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-iHWMOKNld-U/UGG7jp7Xo2I/AAAAAAABhi4/OFm21g78254/s640/ego_by_einstein.png

                    While the truth is actually

                    http//penelopesoasis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/budda.jpg

                    FALSE! OVERTHROWN!

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                      FreedomStands
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                      Think how terrible it would be if you were controlled by God against even your apparent will to make a clown of yourself by announcing you are the Prophet of God.

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                        Armanaziz
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                        Sounds familiar isn't it? rotfl
                        Commonly found even within this forum..
                        They're not trying to find the truth, they just defending their EGO.

                        Salaam Jafar.

                        Good thoughts.

                        I was just trying to highlight that Siddhartha Gautama would probably not claim "acute narcissistic character disorder" in anyone due to their approach of seeking / teaching the truth.

                        By the way, the legacy of the person upon whom you attribute "acute narcissistic character disorder" is a scripture in which he never refers to himself as "I" and which mentions him by name only 4 times. A scripture which insists his non-divinity and in which his own mistakes are highlighted and discussed.

                        But then again, as per the teaching of Gautama, I am not being angry, resentful or upset on the account of what you have to say. If I were to be angry or displeased at such disparagement, that would only be a hindrance to me. I only humbly explain what is incorrect as being incorrect", saying ?That is incorrect, that is false, that is not our way, that is not found among us.?

                        May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

                        Regards,
                        Arman

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Think how terrible it would be if you were controlled by God against even your apparent will to make a clown of yourself by announcing you are the Prophet of God.

                          I am a clown. See it -)

                          That is why only the intelligent or seeing can recognize one 😉

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