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What is Al-Kauthar?

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    noble
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    Kautar is a well-attested god in canaanite religion. He was the helper of the main God, El.

    I don't see how this can be confused for anything else. It's quite literally referring to that (false) god. There are plenty non-quranic, non-biblical references to that name.

    Kautar was also the prototype for the later Khidr. See chapter 18, verses 65?82 for more Quranic sources on this same figure.

    From wiki

    Peace

    This cannot make sense, how can Allah give Muhammad a god? kauthar comes from katheer, plenty, even the gist of the sura is about providing.

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      This cannot make sense, how can Allah give Muhammad a god? kauthar comes from katheer, plenty, even the gist of the sura is about providing.

      Please guys, care to comment upon linguistic rules of understanding presented by refuting and or presenting counter rules. More fairy tales are not going to help.

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        Mazhar
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        Please share with us the syntactical rules of a sentence starting with particle "Inna". Please apply those to this verse. TIA

        This verbal sentence is the Predicate of Verb like Particla "Inna".

        It is the second object of verb .

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          noble
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          Please guys, care to comment upon linguistic rules of understanding presented by refuting and or presenting counter rules. More fairy tales are not going to help.

          Peace

          As a native Arabic speaker, I don't care about rules, memory of language is enough for me.

          but if you want

          3 letters root word ka tha ra = increase.

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            Peace

            As a native Arabic speaker, I don't care about rules, memory of language is enough for me.

            but if you want

            3 letters root word ka tha ra = increase.

            Thanks, now please tell us the measure or or this word. Also please cite a referance.

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              This verbal sentence is the Predicate of Verb like Particla "Inna".

              It is the second object of verb .

              Thanks, a reference book for sentence rules of particle "Inna"

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                noble
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                Thanks, now please tell us the measure or or this word. Also please cite a referance.

                My Arabic stopped at high school, I am not a linguist, and I forgot most I learnt (same with French and English ), I can add other meanings if you wish depending on contexts and colloquialism...

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                  Mazhar
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                  Thanks, a reference book for sentence rules of particle "Inna"

                  The only omission in your anslysis was pointed out. Do you agree or not.

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                    Mazhar
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                    Consider thid transltion

                    It is a fact that Our Majesty have indeed granted you the Messenger the unique - ultimate profundity.
                    Therefore, keep administering As-sa'laat Time bound protocol of allegiance and servitude for your Sustainer Lord; and continue mastering the affairs with the given profundity.
                    It is a certain fact about the maligner, nurturer of ill-feeling and cattiness against you the Messenger he is the doomed.

                    Read it with 9305 where it was promised.

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                      The only omission in your anslysis was pointed out. Do you agree or not.

                      Mazhar, when will you stop behaving like Rabbis? Again answer of a question by another question. If you want to point out an omission give an authentic and accepted reference. That is the literate?s way of having an argument.

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                        My Arabic stopped at high school, I am not a linguist, and I forgot most I learnt (same with French and English ), I can add other meanings if you wish depending on contexts and colloquialism...

                        Well my Dear in that case I am afraid we will continue to talk in parallel to each other.

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                          Well my Dear in that case I am afraid we will continue to talk in parallel to each other.

                          It led me to thank God that I am not a deer in the possession of anyone.

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                            Consider thid transltion

                            It is a fact that Our Majesty have indeed granted you the Messenger the unique - ultimate profundity.
                            Therefore, keep administering As-sa'laat Time bound protocol of allegiance and servitude for your Sustainer Lord; and continue mastering the affairs with the given profundity.
                            It is a certain fact about the maligner, nurturer of ill-feeling and cattiness against you the Messenger he is the doomed.

                            Read it with 9305 where it was promised.

                            Dear Mazhar, show me where the hell in this verse is a mention of Mohammad. I think even a blind of eyes can tell that much by just listening. Unfortunatly, but not ones blind of mind.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Mazhar, when will you stop behaving like Rabbis? Again answer of a question by another question. If you want to point out an omission give an authentic and accepted reference. That is the literate?s way of having an argument.

                              You earlier said

                              Syntactic Explanation

                              This is a nominal sentence. It has Inna at the start. This imparts certain changes in iraab of its subject and predicate. Its subject gets or accusative case and predicate or nominative case.

                              It is a combination of particle and first personal plural pronoun

                              This is a whole sentence as well the predicate of sentence or . This is a verbal sentence. Due pronoun at end it is nominative case or

                              This is called Subject or . This is due being in or accusative case.

                              I told you it is NOT but is the second object of verb.

                              Say whether I correctly pointed out the omission.

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                                Mazhar
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                                Dear Mazhar, show me where the hell in this verse is a mention of Mohammad. I think even a blind of eyes can tell that much by just listening. Unfortunatly, but not ones blind of mind.

                                Most of the time you are mindless. Define who is referred by second person masculine pronoun "Ka" suffixed to the Verb. Who is he?

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                                  bkanwar2
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                                  I told you it is NOT but is the second object of verb.

                                  Say whether I correctly pointed out the omission.

                                  Mazhar, do you agree there is "Inna" at the start of the verse or not? Let us decide this basic fact first.

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                                    Most of the time you are mindless. Define who is referred by second person masculine pronoun "Ka" suffixed to the Verb. Who is he?

                                    "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

                                      A pronoun in Arabic is definite and is referent for a specific person. You need to specify that person. Otherwise translation is vague. In English "you" can refer a woman, two women, many women, one man, two men, many men and combination of woman and man. But "Ka" refers only ONE Man.

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                                        noble
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                                        "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

                                        You would be kum. ka for one man. ki for one woman...

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                                          Mazhar, do you agree there is "Inna" at the start of the verse or not? Let us decide this basic fact first.

                                          I correctly said you are most of the time mindless. I agreed what you said about Inna. Its Noun you mentioned Na. Verbal sentence is its predicate. Last word is the object of verb NOT the noun of Inna. Otherwise what is Na the pronoun in the sentence?

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