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What is Al-Kauthar?

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    noble
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    Please guys, care to comment upon linguistic rules of understanding presented by refuting and or presenting counter rules. More fairy tales are not going to help.

    Peace

    As a native Arabic speaker, I don't care about rules, memory of language is enough for me.

    but if you want

    3 letters root word ka tha ra = increase.

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      bkanwar2
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      Peace

      As a native Arabic speaker, I don't care about rules, memory of language is enough for me.

      but if you want

      3 letters root word ka tha ra = increase.

      Thanks, now please tell us the measure or or this word. Also please cite a referance.

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        This verbal sentence is the Predicate of Verb like Particla "Inna".

        It is the second object of verb .

        Thanks, a reference book for sentence rules of particle "Inna"

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          noble
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          Thanks, now please tell us the measure or or this word. Also please cite a referance.

          My Arabic stopped at high school, I am not a linguist, and I forgot most I learnt (same with French and English ), I can add other meanings if you wish depending on contexts and colloquialism...

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            Mazhar
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            Thanks, a reference book for sentence rules of particle "Inna"

            The only omission in your anslysis was pointed out. Do you agree or not.

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              Mazhar
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              Consider thid transltion

              It is a fact that Our Majesty have indeed granted you the Messenger the unique - ultimate profundity.
              Therefore, keep administering As-sa'laat Time bound protocol of allegiance and servitude for your Sustainer Lord; and continue mastering the affairs with the given profundity.
              It is a certain fact about the maligner, nurturer of ill-feeling and cattiness against you the Messenger he is the doomed.

              Read it with 9305 where it was promised.

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                bkanwar2
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                The only omission in your anslysis was pointed out. Do you agree or not.

                Mazhar, when will you stop behaving like Rabbis? Again answer of a question by another question. If you want to point out an omission give an authentic and accepted reference. That is the literate?s way of having an argument.

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                  bkanwar2
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                  My Arabic stopped at high school, I am not a linguist, and I forgot most I learnt (same with French and English ), I can add other meanings if you wish depending on contexts and colloquialism...

                  Well my Dear in that case I am afraid we will continue to talk in parallel to each other.

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                    Well my Dear in that case I am afraid we will continue to talk in parallel to each other.

                    It led me to thank God that I am not a deer in the possession of anyone.

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                      bkanwar2
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                      Consider thid transltion

                      It is a fact that Our Majesty have indeed granted you the Messenger the unique - ultimate profundity.
                      Therefore, keep administering As-sa'laat Time bound protocol of allegiance and servitude for your Sustainer Lord; and continue mastering the affairs with the given profundity.
                      It is a certain fact about the maligner, nurturer of ill-feeling and cattiness against you the Messenger he is the doomed.

                      Read it with 9305 where it was promised.

                      Dear Mazhar, show me where the hell in this verse is a mention of Mohammad. I think even a blind of eyes can tell that much by just listening. Unfortunatly, but not ones blind of mind.

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                        Mazhar
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                        Mazhar, when will you stop behaving like Rabbis? Again answer of a question by another question. If you want to point out an omission give an authentic and accepted reference. That is the literate?s way of having an argument.

                        You earlier said

                        Syntactic Explanation

                        This is a nominal sentence. It has Inna at the start. This imparts certain changes in iraab of its subject and predicate. Its subject gets or accusative case and predicate or nominative case.

                        It is a combination of particle and first personal plural pronoun

                        This is a whole sentence as well the predicate of sentence or . This is a verbal sentence. Due pronoun at end it is nominative case or

                        This is called Subject or . This is due being in or accusative case.

                        I told you it is NOT but is the second object of verb.

                        Say whether I correctly pointed out the omission.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Dear Mazhar, show me where the hell in this verse is a mention of Mohammad. I think even a blind of eyes can tell that much by just listening. Unfortunatly, but not ones blind of mind.

                          Most of the time you are mindless. Define who is referred by second person masculine pronoun "Ka" suffixed to the Verb. Who is he?

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                            bkanwar2
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                            I told you it is NOT but is the second object of verb.

                            Say whether I correctly pointed out the omission.

                            Mazhar, do you agree there is "Inna" at the start of the verse or not? Let us decide this basic fact first.

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                              bkanwar2
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                              Most of the time you are mindless. Define who is referred by second person masculine pronoun "Ka" suffixed to the Verb. Who is he?

                              "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

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                                Mazhar
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                                "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

                                A pronoun in Arabic is definite and is referent for a specific person. You need to specify that person. Otherwise translation is vague. In English "you" can refer a woman, two women, many women, one man, two men, many men and combination of woman and man. But "Ka" refers only ONE Man.

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                                  noble
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                                  "Ka" is a second person pronoun. When you say "you" who do you address? Isn't it someone in front of you?

                                  You would be kum. ka for one man. ki for one woman...

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Mazhar, do you agree there is "Inna" at the start of the verse or not? Let us decide this basic fact first.

                                    I correctly said you are most of the time mindless. I agreed what you said about Inna. Its Noun you mentioned Na. Verbal sentence is its predicate. Last word is the object of verb NOT the noun of Inna. Otherwise what is Na the pronoun in the sentence?

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                                      runninglikezebras
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                                      This cannot make sense, how can Allah give Muhammad a god? kauthar comes from katheer, plenty, even the gist of the sura is about providing.

                                      1. Muhammad is not even mentioned in that verse. Musa met al khidr.
                                      2. Al Khidr is not a God. He was human.

                                      The worship of al khidr turned into a form of polytheism when they started worshipping al khidr as a God himself. This verse clearly states, he was nothing but a creation of God. It has a double meaning too God explains he is the one having giving them the arts and crafts (technology).

                                      @Mazhar and bkanwar2 all your arab linguistics won't get you anywhere the word is proper name and an aramaic loanword.

                                      You can't brush this away as a fairy tale. The references to the helper god kothar are countless in western semitic inscriptions. In fact the burden is upon you to prove this is not referring to that same k-th-r cult worship.

                                      Peace

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                                        noble
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                                        1. Muhammad is not even mentioned in that verse. Musa met al khidr.
                                        2. Al Khidr is not a God. He was human.

                                        The worship of al khidr turned into a form of polytheism when they started worshipping al khidr as a God himself. This verse clearly states, he was nothing but a creation of God. It has a double meaning too God explains he is the one having giving them the arts and crafts (technology).

                                        @Mazhar and bkanwar2 all your arab linguistics won't get you anywhere the word is proper name and an aramaic loanword.

                                        Peace

                                        Peace Bro,

                                        you have a very strange way of reading Arabic, besides the Quran was revealed to Muhammad, each surah is independent, if Allah refers to a man that was not introduced in the surah it can only be the recipient of the revelation, i.e. Muhammad (P).

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                                          runninglikezebras
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                                          You are missing the true meaning. Saying we gave you al-khidr is equal to saying "we are the one who gave you crafts & arts/technology".

                                          This rise of technology was attributed to kothar/al-khidr. God corrects this to be his gift not al-khidrs. He was human. The person being adressed is the reader, not muhammad or musa. But musa did meet al khidr.

                                          It's similar to the cult of Alexander the great who was also by some worshipped as a half-god. Al khidr has more meaning to it as he is equal to ptah in Egypt religion, and attributed to be the first poet, smith, etc.

                                          God gifted these skills to al kihdr because he was one in total submission aka muslim.

                                          Peace

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