What is Al-Kauthar?
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Sorry I disagree, you are incorrect, as wrong as Bukhari who claimed Al Kauthar was a river in Paradise for Muhammad...
and the Quran addresses Muhammad all along, unless otherwise stipulated, then the Reader needs to identify as Muhammad when he (or with modulation she) practices.
Who do you think is addressed in the numerous places where Allah says Kul, i.e. Say?
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Then I am wrong together with 98% of the western scholars who don't abide to tradition. But feel free to consider archaeological evidence equal to hadith. You have a very weird definition of "messenger". When I use any kind of messenger I'm always on the receiving end.
This thread is going off-topic by debating who is being addressed. For those interested in a linguistically sound and archaelogically backed up identification they can find it in my posts.
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Then I am wrong together with 98% of the western scholars who don't abide to tradition. But feel free to consider archaeological evidence equal to hadith.
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I am not using Hadith, I am using basic semantics and language skills of an Arabic native speaker. I started reading the Quran in Arabic well before I was exposed to Hadiths about 20 years later...
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Modern arabic has little in common with quranic arabic. Many of the words in modern arab semantics are proof of the huge impact these hadith had on the entire arab culture. Besides this, it is clearly a proper name.
I was never exposed to any hadith or indoctrination. When I try to identify words in Quran, I use arab lexicons but ALWAYS check the etymology which often leads me to aramaic. But this is besides the point. k-th-r's etymology is aramaic. Used as a proper name in Quran.
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Modern arabic has little in common with quranic arabic. Many of the words in modern arab semantics are proof of the huge impact these hadith had on the entire arab culture. Besides this, it is clearly a proper name.
I was never exposed to any hadith or indoctrination. When I try to identify words in Quran, I use arab lexicons but ALWAYS check the etymology which often leads me to aramaic. But this is besides the point. k-th-r's etymology is aramaic. Used as a proper name in Quran.
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Let's stop here.
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In your zeal of proving others wrong you just start nit picking. It is not "noun of Inna", its Inna's noun. I am sure you know this much from rest of the explanation. You just can't accept that your held beliefs could be wrong.
Sorry I missed your previous post about agreeing. Let us not worry for a moment about technical syntactical lebelling of the sentence.
Please show me based upon root and measure/weight/wazan. How traditionalist are justified in its contruct that they claim it to be as a definite noun?
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Let's stop here.
I think your translation of abundance is alright by itself. Whether you identify Al-Kauthar as the canaanite Kothar-wa-Khasis or as abundance, the meaning hardly changes. We live in abundance today because of those early technological skills such as medicine, construction, metallurgy etc. The origins of those skills bringing abundance were once attributed to a specific god in the canaanite mythological pantheon, who was in turn deified.
Meanwhile bkanwar2 is still blindly trying to pull the quranic arabic word apart and trying to find meaning. This while he is looking at a linguistically proven borrowed word.
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I think your translation of abundance is alright by itself. Whether you identify Al-Kauthar as the canaanite Kothar-wa-Khasis or as abundance, the meaning hardly changes. We live in abundance today because of those early technological skills such as medicine, construction, metallurgy etc. The origins of those skills bringing abundance were once attributed to a specific god in the canaanite mythological pantheon, who was in turn deified.
Meanwhile bkanwar2 is still blindly trying to pull the quranic arabic word apart and trying to find meaning. This while he is looking at a linguistically proven borrowed word.
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There is some persistent folklore about Khidr among Arabs, my mother for instance believed he is still alive and roaming the Earth.
Some believe he is an Angel, not human... etc.
I know of mythological names who then got co-opted as day to day words, so after all you might be right, but I still believe that for our purpose, it means abundance, otherwise Allah would have been more specific.
I am very weary about mythologies, as they are associated deeply with idolatry.
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There is some persistent folklore about Khidr among Arabs, my mother for instance believed he is still alive and roaming the Earth.
Some believe he is an Angel, not human... etc.
I know of mythological names who then got co-opted as day to day words, so after all you might be right, but I still believe that for our purpose, it means abundance, otherwise Allah would have been more specific.
I am very weary about mythologies, as they are associated deeply with idolatry.
Aye! This is why the verse in Quran is still very relevant. I am aware of this superstitious belief about al kihdr. Since Quran mentions him, I think he was a real person. A person from flesh and blood though (human/given by Allah), surrounded by much mystery.
I disagree Quran would need to be more specific for it to be a personal name. The personal name is mentioned explicitly. One should ponder whether mystery figures in Quran which don't reveal much more specifics are not placed in it as a catalyst to distinct the idolaters from those who submit. It's not the only personal name inside Quran with little more details. I think Quran achieves its goal as a catalyst in this sense perfectly/superefficient. I do understand your point of view but I think if you do some minor research on the true historical evidence of Kothar, removed from the folklore, it will shed much light on a form of idolatry that is timeless.
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I forgot another plausible thesis I know of. This one interpretes Al-Kauthar as a placename, specifically Caphtor. As such it relates back to the story of Musa and is referring to him being given this land.
See Amos 97, Deut 223
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I forgot another plausible thesis I know of. This one interpretes Al-Kauthar as a placename, specifically Caphtor. As such it relates back to the story of Musa and is referring to him being given this land.
See Amos 97, Deut 223
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Dude, I have enough on my plate, it has never been an issue for me to worship other than Allah, especially deities I never heard of until you mention them, so I am happy to settle with abundance...
Allat Mannat and Uzzah were clearly mentioned for the contemporary Arabs though, so I am aware of that part, enough for me
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Dude, I have enough on my plate, it has never been an issue for me to worship other than Allah, especially deities I never heard of until you mention them, so I am happy to settle with abundance...
Allat Mannat and Uzzah were clearly mentioned for the contemporary Arabs though, so I am aware of that part, enough for me
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You have too much on your plate because you're not fasting yet!
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@FS you couldn't resist now, could you...
Haha, yeah I'm not Joke fasting like the Christians do, abstaining from some specific thing like "swearing" or "bubblegum" so me "fasting from jokes"
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These angels are nothing but uncontrolled forces of nature, people respected those, some idolized them. I think here the word refers to abundance in wealth.
Knowledge, strength, wealth, good luck, smaller difficulties, larger destruction etc...
our ancients had better idea about these and gave names to these, with time these lost meanings and these become mythological stories and characters. -
These angels are nothing but uncontrolled forces of nature, people respected those, some idolized them. I think here the word refers to abundance in wealth.
Knowledge, strength, wealth, good luck, smaller difficulties, larger destruction etc...
our ancients had better idea about these and gave names to these, with time these lost meanings and these become mythological stories and characters.What about the encounters in the Qur'an where people met them in human forms?
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What about the encounters in the Qur'an where people met them in human forms?
I think you are referring to Alkhidr character, yes thats one character with exceptional wisdom, Musa was able to learn from him that what we think happenned was bad need not be really bad.
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It's interesting you identify alkhidr as malaika.
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It's interesting you identify alkhidr as malaika.
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Man either this almighty and his prophet had no clue or they were really were out there to get innocent people; by giving them a document which has no term that was understood at the time it was supposedly revealed. What to talk 1000 years later?
Wow believers of this joke, your minds are really enslaved? How can you break these chains when very apparatus given to you to break these chains is enslaved?