Cannabis - Requesting a summary of the point of views
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Freedomstands pretty much quotes the relevant verses; Cannabis is known to have detrimental effects to the brain, especially in minors and young adults who are still building connections in their brains between cells and essentially damaging that part of development. In terms of adulthood the effects appear to be smaller if not non-existent but no real long term studies have yet to be done in the effects of people who start smoking it in adulthood.
Based purely on the damage it does to the brain in young people, I would regard it as unlawful, no different to Tobacco and Alcohol. I've stopped Coffee because I believe it has negative effects to me without its continual consumption and I've been a lot healthier since stopping it, I'd say coffee is the borderline one out of the 4 but the other three there is no question in the severity of its use.
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Freedomstands pretty much quotes the relevant verses; Cannabis is known to have detrimental effects to the brain, especially in minors and young adults who are still building connections in their brains between cells and essentially damaging that part of development. In terms of adulthood the effects appear to be smaller if not non-existent but no real long term studies have yet to be done in the effects of people who start smoking it in adulthood.
Based purely on the damage it does to the brain in young people, I would regard it as unlawful, no different to Tobacco and Alcohol. I've stopped Coffee because I believe it has negative effects to me without its continual consumption and I've been a lot healthier since stopping it, I'd say coffee is the borderline one out of the 4 but the other three there is no question in the severity of its use.
I agree, thank you for posting that! I also think caffeine isn't very healthy for people, especially when they become caffeine dependent and experience withdrawals or negative effects while off of it, it is probably much healthier to avoid any substances like that for overall health. What isn't healthy could be consider "unwholesome" somewhat and should be avoided or kept at a minimum for one's own betterment, and the judgment in regard to the intricacies and things are left to our judgment based on how they might uniquely appear to effect our health.
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Salam,
I hold the view that it is the same as alcohol - permissible with a caution warning to its use.
All things are "permissible", from raping babies to slitting the throat of your wife. Doesn't mean you won't get in trouble for it! "Do as thou wilt" + "and see what happens".
I think intoxicants can be put in a single category for the most part, which the Qur'an says "have some uses, great harm/sin, more harm/sin than benefit". Anyway, I get lots of second-hand marijuana here in Vancouver, I'll be getting some today as well by sitting on the beach watching fireworks, someone always seems to bring that kind of thing with them and its odor is distinct.
It seems all the "bad" things are really pretty unpleasant overall, like cigarettes and their smell, alcohol and its taste and odor, and various drugs as well, the situations related to adultery, and whatever else. It is as if one has to go out of their way to do these horrible these that aren't even made "fair seeming" or pleasant except by the words of people and their lies. Why can't they make alcohol totally concealed and pleasant tasting so that one can say "oh it makes sense, it is very attractive and tasty" haha no, it smells horrible and tastes terrible, total poison. Similarly marijuana stinks and its unpleasant to take in smoke and cough and whatever.
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Peace everyone,
From my understanding of the Quran, we are not allowed to forbid anything that has not been forbidden by the God in the Quran. And since it seems that intoxicants (Alcohol, Cannabis, Opium etc.) have NOT been forbidden by the Quran, they seem to be lawful.
Quran 1059 Say, "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say, "Did God authorize you, or did you invent lies against God?
Quran 16116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
But even though intoxicants are not forbidden by the Quran, I don't think the Quran promotes their usage.
The Quran seems to advice us to quit using intoxicants.
Quran 590 O you who acknowledge, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.
Quran 591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you then desist?
The Quran states that there is MORE harm than benefit in intoxicants.
Quran 2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say, "In them is great harm, and a benefit for people; but their harm is greater than their benefit." They ask you how much are they to give, say, "The excess." Thus, God clarifies for you the signs that you may think.
Some people claim that we can benefit from drinking wine or smoking Cannabis. Because wine has health benefits and cannabis has medicinal benefits. But the problem is that the usage of these intoxicants are also harmful. Besides, we don't need to drink wine to get the health benefits of grapes. All we need to get the health benefits of grapes, is to eat it in its normal state. We don't need to turn it into an intoxicant (wine) to get its health benefits. And as far as I know, people don't need to smoke Cannabis to get the medicinal benefits of Cannabis. As far as I know, there are other ways to get the medicinal benefits of the Cannabis plant without turning it into an intoxicant and smoking it. In addition to that, the medicinal benefits of Cannabis, might also exist in other herbs. And if the medicinal benefits of Cannabis exist in other herbs, people don't need to use the Cannabis plant at all. Because then they can get the same medicinal benefits from other herbs.
Since the Quran has taught me that intoxicants does more harm than good, I will not use (Alcohol, Cannabis, Opium etc). That being said, I think alcohol and other types of intoxicants can be beneficial, if it is used in small quantities (and for medicinal purposes). Since it seems that intoxicants are not forbidden by the Quran, I don't support the notion of forbidding intoxicants. As far as I know, small quantities of alcohol can be used to preserve the medicinal properties of plants. For example, there are many people in the USA who use Herbal tinctures (that contain alcohol for health benefits). But I think there is a difference between using an intoxicant for medicine and using it for pleasure. And since tinctures might contain harmful effects, I will most likely never use them. Personally, I neither use intoxicants for medicine or for pleasure. I don't need alcohol to have fun. I don't need intoxicants to have fun. I like to be sober. And I like the idea of being able to think clearly at all times. Because I think clear thinking (a sober mind) is one of the greatest keys to personal growth. Therefore I will like to have access to this key at all times. Because it can help me to grow as much as possible. A sober mind seems to be a powerful weapon. I think it's a heck of a weapon. And in my opinion, having a "sober mind" is more pleasureable than any drug on the planet.
When it comes to intoxicants, I have chosen to follow the advice of my creator in the Quran. Because the God is all-knowing. And I think that an all-knowing entity knows what is best for us. For me, the truth/reality is my dope (intoxicant). It is the best intoxicant I have found. It is the only intoxicant I need. And most likely it is the only intoxicant I will ever use.
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Enoch,
My understanding is that when quran speaks to the benefit and harm it is speaking to the mind altering effects themselves being both beneficial and harmful.
The mind altering effects themselves are both beneficial and harmful. In anti psychotics it is actually the mind altering effect which is beneficial. There are people who use mind altering prescribed drugs for sleep disorders just as there are those who have nightcap to assist sleeping disorders. In both cases it is the mind altering effect itself that is beneficial.
Imraan
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the problem with weed is you dont realise the bad side effects because your stoned. lol
Im definately against All kinds of mind altering drugs according to the definition of intoxicants in the Quran, However i do believe Processing and extraction of medicinally beneficial components of cannabis should be done, although its unlikely in most places considering the Drug companies own the Lobbyists who Own the Governments who make the laws and they want to protect their own interests -
The Quran prohibits intoxicants, not mind-altering drugs. The word khamr, according to my understanding (feel free to double check this if you want), is derived from a word meaning "to conceal". Therefore, anything which clouds the mind is haram.
From this I extracted the following if a drug impairs the performance of either the mind or the body, even temporarily, then it is haram. From this, CNS depressants (definitely) and probably hallucinogens are haram. Stimulants are not haram provided they do not permanently damage the mind or body.
Therefore, non-hallucinogenic sativa strains of cannabis are halal, but the rest is haram.
I use cannabis, albeit infrequently and out of medical necessity. I have psychotic episodes where I harm myself and people around me, and i use cannabis to prevent them. /
Allahu alam.
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The Quran prohibits intoxicants, not mind-altering drugs. The word khamr, according to my understanding (feel free to double check this if you want), is derived from a word meaning "to conceal". Therefore, anything which clouds the mind is haram.
From this I extracted the following if a drug impairs the performance of either the mind or the body, even temporarily, then it is haram. From this, CNS depressants (definitely) and probably hallucinogens are haram. Stimulants are not haram provided they do not permanently damage the mind or body.
Therefore, non-hallucinogenic sativa strains of cannabis are halal, but the rest is haram.
I use cannabis, albeit infrequently and out of medical necessity. I have psychotic episodes where I harm myself and people around me, and i use cannabis to prevent them. /
Allahu alam.
There are rivers of khamrin in heaven...and in heaven there are no pigs, carrion, or any other haram stuff...could you provide quranic evidence that god said khamr is haram or god said it's Forbidden.
"Is the example of Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of wine that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?" (4715)
"And do not say lies for what your tongues describes this is lawful (HALAL), and that is unlawful (HARAM), to lie about God. Those who lie about God will never succeed. They will have small pleasures (on Earth), AND FOR THEM IS A PAINFUL RETRIBUTION" (16/116-117)
God has made clear to us what is lawful and what is unlawful?
"Say 'Do you see that which God has provided for you, you make some of it Unlawful (Haram) and some of it Lawful (Halal)? Say 'Did God allow you to do this? Or do you tell lies about God?" (10/59)
"Say 'who has made Unlawful (Haram) the luxuries that God has provided his servants and the good things?..." (7/32)
And wine making is also recommended according to the quran
"And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make wine and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend." (1667) -
Unlawful and lawful is usually in the sectarian sphere, but what those who know are chasing is what triggers the instinctive drive.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Unlawful and lawful is usually in the sectarian sphere, but what those who know are chasing is what triggers the instinctive drive.
Be safe
AmenuelUnlawful and lawful is only for sectarian beliefs??I'm sorry could explain your post? i don't really get it?
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Unlawful and lawful is only for sectarian beliefs??I'm sorry could explain your post? i don't really get it?
I meant that to keep things restricted from right to left is sectarian idealism, but those who know the purpose of the ancient Decree know it is a help to pass the test successfully by highlighting our "stumbling blocks". On top of those guidelines a lot of people increase their strictness, add things which remove the "do not" from them and add things without any authorization from God.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I meant that to keep things restricted from right to left is sectarian idealism, but those who know the purpose of the ancient Decree know it is a help to pass the test successfully by highlighting our "stumbling blocks". On top of those guidelines a lot of people increase their strictness, add things which remove the "do not" from them and add things without any authorization from God.
Be safe
AmenuelYeah you're right, sectarian beliefs often add stuff and attribute them to god...
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when i look at substances and their use in say, the american society, i see people who use the substance as their identity, and who will do their best to try to use people of prominent power, authority, or stature, to try and make you agree with their statements and their ideology
to me, the problem does not come from the substance itself, but everything that surrounds it
today we see individuals who created a subculture around that substance, and just like any other groups, their interest is to influence others into adopting their ideology, moral codes, and values
they will not hesitate shaming an individual for refusing to integrate that group, or for refusing to smoke the joint
they will reject those that do not accept them, and will stick to their groups, trying to convince people one by one to join them and to accept themwe see this happen all the time people being cast out and ostracised because they refuse to do what the group tells them to do
the same is true for alcoholics, they will insult you, berate you, belittle you, mock you, simply because you refuse to get drunk or to drink regularlynow that cannabis is being legalizedin the USA, we start seeing a movement that calls for the legalization of everything else, under the guise that it would stop the cartels from operating
the same is said for cannabis, but no evidence has been provided for the claims
usually these people do not care about the truth, they just want to see their lifestyle being accepted, adopted, and made the new rule, they will use any argument they can to convince others to join them
i often see pot smokers try to use the few scientists and research who used to consume certain substance, in an attempt to make the casual consumption of such substance acceptable
what they never tell you is that these people spent a lifetime of learning and working in a difficult field, and that the drug had nothing to do with their successthe question of substances goes deeper than the localised effect it has on the individual
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when i look at substances and their use in say, the american society, i see people who use the substance as their identity, and who will do their best to try to use people of prominent power, authority, or stature, to try and make you agree with their statements and their ideology
to me, the problem does not come from the substance itself, but everything that surrounds it
today we see individuals who created a subculture around that substance, and just like any other groups, their interest is to influence others into adopting their ideology, moral codes, and values
they will not hesitate shaming an individual for refusing to integrate that group, or for refusing to smoke the joint
they will reject those that do not accept them, and will stick to their groups, trying to convince people one by one to join them and to accept themwe see this happen all the time people being cast out and ostracised because they refuse to do what the group tells them to do
the same is true for alcoholics, they will insult you, berate you, belittle you, mock you, simply because you refuse to get drunk or to drink regularlynow that cannabis is being legalizedin the USA, we start seeing a movement that calls for the legalization of everything else, under the guise that it would stop the cartels from operating
the same is said for cannabis, but no evidence has been provided for the claims
usually these people do not care about the truth, they just want to see their lifestyle being accepted, adopted, and made the new rule, they will use any argument they can to convince others to join them
i often see pot smokers try to use the few scientists and research who used to consume certain substance, in an attempt to make the casual consumption of such substance acceptable
what they never tell you is that these people spent a lifetime of learning and working in a difficult field, and that the drug had nothing to do with their successthe question of substances goes deeper than the localised effect it has on the individual
Irrelevant. That has to do with general human psychology, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
However, I'll state here that I am in favour of legalizing all drugs. Alcohol is the most harmful of them anyway.
http//www.cbc.ca/news/technology/alcohol-ranked-most-harmful-drug-1.919186
After all, it would stop both cartels from operating, and bankrupt drug gangs, and as a result will lead to a significant decrease in crime, estimated between 10% to 75%. It would also decrease the price of drugs, so addicts won't have to commit such crimes to collect funds to support their addiction. It would also reduce the number of deaths from overdoses and vein ruptures (due to regulation of product quality) and HIV (due to the availability of clean needles). Addicts would be able to act as functional members of society, since now they're not being dehumanized and marginalized. Teen use will decrease by 54% (compare cannabis use between American teens and Dutch teens, and there is less drug use between Dutch teens, even though cannabis is legal in the Netherlands).The good of legalization outweighs the harm. People will keep using drugs, no matter what. The difference is that they'll be getting them as prescriptions from doctors, instead of criminals.I don't use any drugs, aside from cannabis for medical purposes, and Adderall, just for fun.
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Fish_Launcher I LOVE your avatar thingy or whatever you call it! Brilliant! VERY slick! As far as the issue of marijuana is concerned, I agree with some of the posters in that, the things that have been forbidden by THE maker of ALL the RULES are spelled out plainly and that makes EVERYTHING else PERMISSIBLE! Regardless of how one FEELS about the subject, NONE can make HARAM what THE rule maker does NOT!!! Did THE creator NOT also create THIS plant? Is THE creator in the habit of creating that which has NO purpose in HIS creation? FOR ME, the Qur'an is MY guide and I have NEVER read in IT, "and the marijuana plant is HARAM for you!!! DO NOT consume or come near this plant"!!! THEY follow naught but conjecture and the traditions of MEN!!! NOT I!!!
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Well, thank you. Though I must say I had a change of opinion.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606121.msg378817#msg378817
