oldest fragments of Quran found

Wakas

'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
http//www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33436021

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"These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645."

hope4

Hope they find a complete one from that period.

Hizbullah

'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
http//www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33436021

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"These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645."

The so called Arab prophet was born in the 570 CE. This parchment was written sometime between 568 and 645. C14 test has an accuracy of 95%.

Furthermore Hijazi aka Jazm script had been used since 5th Century CE. It was later change to Kuffic Script by the Abbasiyah , when they took over the Caliphate in the 7th Century. This proof that the history of the sectarian Islam are a big lie.

THE QURAN THAT WAS SENT TO THE LAST PROPHET WAS MUCH OLDER THAN WHAT WE THAUGHT!

peace

hafeez_kazi

peace Hizbullah

Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the verses of the Book and a clear Qur'an. (Al-Hijr 1)

Ta, Seen. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book (An-Naml 1)

surprisingly the fragments survived but still no sign of the BOOK and the complete QURAN. Why the BOOK and the complete QURAN was not preserved by the COMPANIONS/ followers of prophet Muhammad when the same people preserved the much older fake foot prints of prophet Abraham.

Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. (An-Nisaa 82)

The disbelievers also had access to the complete Quran so that they can see for themselves if there are any contradictions in it.

Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants." (Al-Israa 8

The challenge to mankind and the jinn to produce the like of (complete) Quran and not fragments.

This implies that the Quran was intact during the period of the prophet but then all of a sudden vanished from the face of this earth is very much surprising?

SUSPICION/CONSPIRACY?

Man_of_Faith

Hafeez Kazi,

The Quran you have it relatively intact as the original, but there was a distortion campaign in terms of its interpretation. Quran survived many plots against all odds (or rather the Sustainer saved it).

I call the Kufic script an attempt at ruining whole Quran into a mere decoration that failed. And I think Persians had a finger in it all. The same ones that fabricated the sect Islam.

Jafar

The Quran you have it relatively intact as the original, but there was a distortion campaign in terms of its interpretation. Quran survived many plots against all odds (or rather the Sustainer saved it).

There is no evidence to back this up.
Given.. where is "the original" to compare it with?
Nonetheless I don't see this as a big issue anyway..

Because the only valid way to see whether a "statement" is true (about anything, written on anything or spoken by anyone) is to do validation with facts.
This method is known as "Scientific Method".

I call the Kufic script an attempt at ruining whole Quran into a mere decoration that failed. And I think Persians had a finger in it all. The same ones that fabricated the sect Islam.

Why Persians?
Why not the Arabs themselves?
They have hundreds of motives to did it.. (the usual; political power, wealth and control over other people)

Back to the main topic..

The findings is indeed interesting..

And due to the estimated range of 568 and 645 AD..
There is still possibility that the piece was written after Mohammad's death.

However it also promote the hypothesis of Mohammad wrote his own notes..
Although perhaps not as a "bundled book".
I find it odd that Mr. Muhammad didn't keep his "notes" properly, I am sure he has one and keep it attentively..

Man_of_Faith

Jafar,

I do not think very strongly that there ever was a man called Muhammad who made Quran. I consider Quran to be written by a prophet much like Isaiah and there are left riddles in it and the language is very ingenious. Do not consider "Islam" to have anything to do with it.

You and I basically only differ on the view on Quran, but I tell you I would gladly throw it out the window (due to how much energy it draws from me), but my inner inspiration tells me I have to be available as an alternative to the religious choice of interpretation of it.

The Persians are only involved in the corruption not the real scripture. Quran was some hijacked book where prophets then were not involved. Its fake interpretation was used to rally for war, that is what conclusion I have made based on the traditional translations.

If you had made the discoveries beneath the false language on top of the other you might have spoken differently.

The real contents are displaying a Gnostic faith which rebukes rituals and rites and feels like Buddhism, teaches "I am that am I" and if you read the writings about Jesus that is a good way of summarizing what it teaches. It attacks very much on religious behavior.

I am an outcast in this forum due to these views. My 'la elah ila allah' does not even mean the same to me "To be it is to be such as it" (third person of "I am who am I&quot.

Hopefully I will not be banned from the forum.

Be well

mmkhan

Salaam,

As I said earlier in other threads, to me alQuraan exists since Adam. Like some of the instructions were given directly to Adam. Then more aayaat were added to the existing ones when Bani-Adam came into existence. And later some more aayaat for Nooh, then for Ibrahim and it goes on. And today we have a copy of all together compiled and called as alQuraan. AlTauraat and alInjeel also are available in this alQuraan.

If not many questions arise.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

runninglikezebras

The reader should make note these sensational topics should always be viewed in the correct perspective. The parchment can be dated to a certain date. The text written on it can not be dated. It's a speculative claim to say this is the oldest Quran.

Peace

Hizbullah

The reader should make note these sensational topics should always be viewed in the correct perspective. The parchment can be dated to a certain date. The text written on it can not be dated. It's a speculative claim to say this is the oldest Quran.

Peace

The script of the Quran shows when it was written. If its Jazm Script, which was introduce between the end 4th, that means the Quran is old. Kuffic Script was introduced in the early decades of 7th Century. The 7th Century was the actual era where the Abbasiyyah took control.

truthseeker11

Peace Hafeez Kazi,