Heaven and Hell: Is it a fair deal?
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We have been told that if we do good we will get heaven and for bad actions, hell is waiting for us. Fair enough until we look at some of the people. Take Cheney for instance. Even he knows that he deserves jail. List of his criminal activities is a bit too long. But he is pretty immune. I admit that the guy gets a lot of hate in public, but law isn't doing anything to him. He has money and he truly doesn't need to care about what others think about him. Now look at the case of a poverty stricken person. His life is tied to struggle. But to get out of this, he become compelled to do things against the law. This can be anything ranging from joining a gang to murdering people for money. If he is caught he will be in jail for years. He has no way to run away from it.
Now here is the thing, both of these men are guilty and probably have hell as their final destiny. But how is this a fair deal?
Cheney Joy in this world, hell after death
Poverty stricken guy who ends up doing criminal activities Hell in this world, hell after death
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Peace reel.
Let me quote some verses first,then give you my understanding
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Are they the ones who assign your Lord's mercy? We have assigned their shares in this life, raising some of them above others in ranks, in order to let them serve one another. The mercy from your Lord is far better than any material they may hoard.4333
If it were not that all the people might become one (disbelieving) congregation, we would have granted everyone who disbelieves in the Most Gracious mansions with silver roofs, and stairs upon which they could climb.4334
Their mansions would have impressive gates, and luxurious furnishings.4335
Also many ornaments. All these are the temporary materials of this lowly life. The Hereafter - at your Lord - is far better for the righteous.I believe GOD has the full knowledge of each individual. GOD is also just.
All that Cheney gets is the material of this world.
As for the poor criminal, it may be GOD s way of making them return to Him by repenting and mending their ways at some point in their life?
GOD is in control. We have to trust in GOD to deliver complete justice in the end. i.e Every individual get what they deserve.
GOD bless you.
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I think, reel, you are complicating things with worldly laws. God will do whatever he chooses, he does nto have to fulfill any of our expectations for respect or disrespect of laws and He knows exactly what each one deserves and He CAN act in consequence. I think that is His job to do justice, if not in this life then in the next. It is not our job, although many of us make our worry.We do not need to Justice is safe in God's hands.
Salaam
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Hi reel,
This is Hell (Gehennom/"testing ground" and if failure then Hell again (reincarnation) by new body. Heaven is simply release from the flesh.
Hell is not really a punishment but a sifting process initiated by God, although being reborn less fortunate could be regarded as a punishment such as blindness or invalidation. Hitler could as well be totally lame.
The purpose is to grow sufficiently that one finds their Spirit and from thence everything is so much easier. For example, I found myself and I am the Spirit of Emanijil. I can still fail, but it is so much easier now that I have a Spirit that shines through the flesh and being a mirror of God is the aim. And I must remember that arrogance is bad but I must be humble. "Every soul deserves help" said another Spirit.
The outlook seems grim however considered how people appear on Earth and that they accept living "normally" in their own little worlds, even people who claim to be "believers". They have missed the meaning in "separate the body from the Spirit". Triggering the instinctive drive (Satan) fogs the Spirit. The body should be kept restrained because it is not the real you but you were attached to it and forced to live and grow under delusion. The ulterior aim is perfection. Just remember it is God's measure of perfection and not a worldly measure.
Above information is a summarized account of what Quran says in its real interpretation plus information I have received. Note that everything also is a test of intelligence. But what sounds really plausible? My information relayed or the God of the traditional interpretation of Quran.
It was due to you, reel, I wrote this, but in case someone else has benefits from it this is good. To angered people I apologize.
Be well
Emanuel -
We have been told that if we do good we will get heaven and for bad actions, hell is waiting for us. Fair enough until we look at some of the people. Take Cheney for instance. Even he knows that he deserves jail. List of his criminal activities is a bit too long. But he is pretty immune. I admit that the guy gets a lot of hate in public, but law isn't doing anything to him. He has money and he truly doesn't need to care about what others think about him. Now look at the case of a poverty stricken person. His life is tied to struggle. But to get out of this, he become compelled to do things against the law. This can be anything ranging from joining a gang to murdering people for money. If he is caught he will be in jail for years. He has no way to run away from it.
Now here is the thing, both of these men are guilty and probably have hell as their final destiny. But how is this a fair deal?
Cheney Joy in this world, hell after death
Poverty stricken guy who ends up doing criminal activities Hell in this world, hell after death
What if our condition in this life is not random? What if the poverty stricken man, and the man with legal immunity, both find themselves in those situations due to some very specific reason. What if the test we are about to go through in life REQUIRE such and such situation? Perhaps it's not unfair at all. There might be some factor that we don't see. It might seem unfair with different circumstances, but perhaps this is just an assumption on our part. Perhaps the lives of the poverty stricken man, and Cheyney, are already given the right circumstances for purposes unknown to us. So it just might be a fair deal, for each individual on this planet, though in many cases it seems unfair and miserably cruel.
Peace
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Hello Zulf,
The man stricken by poverty has probably faced a trial in life based on the situation what life he would choose based on the circumstances. A life as a badman would make it easy for him perhaps, but if he chose no jealousy and accepted the situation and lived righteously then in the end he might arrive at a better condition than he started with. We always have to be wise no matter the situation.
A very unfortunate life could be the result of another, too. We must always remain patient and keep the decree (Ten Commandments) and keep our body from taking the upper hand.
I personally own no more than a suitcase full of things and an old laptop in a laptop bag. Am I happy? Yes, I have something much better. I have a Spirit and a connection to the Holy Spirit.
If we do not desire things then we also have no stress either. And by less desire we also need less on the paycheck.
My life requires fairly little money, I can live 7 months on 1 month of work without suffering. I could manage a Godly family on little as well, and God provides. But I do work those other months too, but from thence the salary is from God. The Quran reinterpretation project is one example of this or my mere presence here.
We are what we make of ourselves. God said "You choose your destiny". God also said "I am who am I", referring to Himself/Herself.
And wealth is no measure of getting through "the Door" and in fact it is the opposite, the wealth makes it a problem getting through the Door. It is like if a camel is to pass through the Eye of a Needle in Jerusalem, very problematic.
Be well
Emanuel -
All that Cheney gets is the material of this world.
GOD is in control. We have to trust in GOD to deliver complete justice in the end. i.e Every individual get what they deserve.
I think, reel, you are complicating things with worldly laws. God will do whatever he chooses, he does nto have to fulfill any of our expectations for respect or disrespect of laws and He knows exactly what each one deserves and He CAN act in consequence. I think that is His job to do justice, if not in this life then in the next. It is not our job, although many of us make our worry.We do not need to Justice is safe in God's hands.
As for the poor criminal, it may be GOD s way of making them return to Him by repenting and mending their ways at some point in their life?
I get what you said. I do see it in the last statements of criminals before their execution. http//www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_executed_offenders.html
?I would like to thank you. I hope this execution helps my family and also the victim?s family. This was never meant to be, sure beyond my power. I can only walk the path before me and make the best of it. I am sorry for putting y?all through this. I am sorry, I love you. I am ready. May we all go to Heaven. Thank you Warden Jones.?"Thank you for being here. I am sorry for all of the pain that I have caused my family, friends, and extended family. Especially to the Police Officers, I know you probably hate me. What happened between me and Rocky happended too fast. I didn't know what happened. I wish y'all peace and love. I hope you have found God just like I have. God bless y'all. I will see you on the other side. I love you."
Yes sir, I want to say I love you to all my family and friends. Thank you Lord for your mercy and unconditional love. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
Of course, wordly laws are not needed to get people like Cheney punished. I see this in Quran
And we will surely let them taste the nearer punishment short of the greater punishment that perhaps they will repent.3221
Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of what they have done that perhaps they will return .3041Why doesn't he apply these verses to criminals like him?
This is Hell (Gehennom/"testing ground" and if failure then Hell again (reincarnation) by new body. Heaven is simply release from the flesh.
Hell is not really a punishment but a sifting process initiated by God, although being reborn less fortunate could be regarded as a punishment such as blindness or invalidation. Hitler could as well be totally lame.
The purpose is to grow sufficiently that one finds their Spirit and from thence everything is so much easier. For example, I found myself and I am the Spirit of Emanijil. I can still fail, but it is so much easier now that I have a Spirit that shines through the flesh and being a mirror of God is the aim. And I must remember that arrogance is bad but I must be humble. "Every soul deserves help" said another Spirit.
The outlook seems grim however considered how people appear on Earth and that they accept living "normally" in their own little worlds, even people who claim to be "believers". They have missed the meaning in "separate the body from the Spirit". Triggering the instinctive drive (Satan) fogs the Spirit. The body should be kept restrained because it is not the real you but you were attached to it and forced to live and grow under delusion. The ulterior aim is perfection. Just remember it is God's measure of perfection and not a worldly measure.
That's a great way to put it. But why on earth he doesn't give this guidance to Cheney like criminals? We have passed 2010, yet the man doesn't seem to feel he is ever wrong.
Cheney's interview
Interviewer What do you consider your main fault?
Cheney "My main fault? Ummm, Well, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about my faults..."
source https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BPK8ahNPoWhat if our condition in this life is not random? What if the poverty stricken man, and the man with legal immunity, both find themselves in those situations due to some very specific reason. What if the test we are about to go through in life REQUIRE such and such situation? Perhaps it's not unfair at all. There might be some factor that we don't see. It might seem unfair with different circumstances, but perhaps this is just an assumption on our part. Perhaps the lives of the poverty stricken man, and Cheyney, are already given the right circumstances for purposes unknown to us. So it just might be a fair deal, for each individual on this planet, though in many cases it seems unfair and miserably cruel.
One thing we know is that this guy is responsible for massacre of Vietnamese, Americans, Afghans, Iraqis through 3 fake wars and 9/11, yet remains free of God's curse. I don't get why and how this is justice.
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reel,
That's a great way to put it. But why on earth he doesn't give this guidance to Cheney like criminals? We have passed 2010, yet the man doesn't seem to feel he is ever wrong.
He has passed the threshold where his Spirit is utterly broken, there is no more connection to the Spirit for there is no more. He is the beast he was trapped within, so he cannot think for more than the advanced primate can accomplish. This is a "testing ground" and God sifts out failures no matter who cruel that may sound. It would take no less than a miracle to save that man. He thinks like the animal he is trapped within. He is tarnished.
Yes, the man has no Holy Spirit connection anymore, and his Spirit has turned evil by all the exposure.
I doubt even if you tried to give him guidance he would require such a sign before he would mend his ways that you have never seen a greater sign. Perhaps he would not believe even if the Holy Spirit shone with the strongest light in the skies and the Voice came down from heaven. But you never know. God is God, you cannot control God, but you can always be amazed.
One thing we know is that this guy is responsible for massacre of Vietnamese, Americans, Afghans, Iraqis through 3 fake wars and 9/11, yet remains free of God's curse. I don't get why and how this is justice.
Trust me, he gets his punishment and the current total zip-off from God is curse enough. His deeds punish himself.
Be well
Emanuel -
I get what you said. I do see it in the last statements of criminals before their execution. http//www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_executed_offenders.html
?I would like to thank you. I hope this execution helps my family and also the victim?s family. This was never meant to be, sure beyond my power. I can only walk the path before me and make the best of it. I am sorry for putting y?all through this. I am sorry, I love you. I am ready. May we all go to Heaven. Thank you Warden Jones.?"Thank you for being here. I am sorry for all of the pain that I have caused my family, friends, and extended family. Especially to the Police Officers, I know you probably hate me. What happened between me and Rocky happended too fast. I didn't know what happened. I wish y'all peace and love. I hope you have found God just like I have. God bless y'all. I will see you on the other side. I love you."
Yes sir, I want to say I love you to all my family and friends. Thank you Lord for your mercy and unconditional love. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
Of course, wordly laws are not needed to get people like Cheney punished. I see this in Quran
And we will surely let them taste the nearer punishment short of the greater punishment that perhaps they will repent.3221
Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of what they have done that perhaps they will return .3041Why doesn't he apply these verses to criminals like him?
That's a great way to put it. But why on earth he doesn't give this guidance to Cheney like criminals? We have passed 2010, yet the man doesn't seem to feel he is ever wrong.
Cheney's interview
Interviewer What do you consider your main fault?
Cheney "My main fault? Ummm, Well, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about my faults..."
source https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BPK8ahNPoOne thing we know is that this guy is responsible for massacre of Vietnamese, Americans, Afghans, Iraqis through 3 fake wars and 9/11, yet remains free of God's curse. I don't get why and how this is justice.
Are you of the opinion as a believer we are authorized by God to uproot evil? Are you of the opinion evil should be destroyed?
In my opinion God guides whoever God wants. Similarly, God forgives whoever God wants. If you are not of the guided, you will be of the "evil". It can only be meant to be this way. There is nothing unfair about it. It only looks unfair to the unbeliever who expects justice "in this world", instead of on the Day of Judgment.
From this springs a dilemma. Those who say "evil" should be fought by believers, should be aware "evil" is always committed by those claiming to "fight it". To use your example Cheney was the designer of the idea of "the axis of evil" as a name for their enemies, resulting in the deaths of many innocents in the Middle-East.
Concerning Cheney have you seen the documentary about Mcnamara titled "The Fog of War"? He was just like Cheney a war criminal and if you've seen that documentary he is already tasting part of the punishment. Cheney may appear unmoved on television but do you know what haunts his mind during the night?
Peace
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We have been told that if we do good we will get heaven and for bad actions, hell is waiting for us. Fair enough until we look at some of the people. Take Cheney for instance. Even he knows that he deserves jail. List of his criminal activities is a bit too long. But he is pretty immune. I admit that the guy gets a lot of hate in public, but law isn't doing anything to him. He has money and he truly doesn't need to care about what others think about him. Now look at the case of a poverty stricken person. His life is tied to struggle. But to get out of this, he become compelled to do things against the law. This can be anything ranging from joining a gang to murdering people for money. If he is caught he will be in jail for years. He has no way to run away from it.
Now here is the thing, both of these men are guilty and probably have hell as their final destiny. But how is this a fair deal?
Cheney Joy in this world, hell after death
Poverty stricken guy who ends up doing criminal activities Hell in this world, hell after death
Are you forgetting the parts in the Quran where Allah (swt) says that hes the most forgiving the most merciful?
First of all ... lets not judge people based purely on what we know of them through the media, through friends, or even through personal friendships. Evene the best of friends would never expose their deepest darkest secrets to you. So then ... it does not just come down to how bad you think one man is compared to another. It comes down to the creators judgement who KNOWS all the secrets of both the people in your example, to then decide on the day of judgement as to who goes to hell and who goes to heaven.
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For example, I found myself and I am the Spirit of Emanijil.
Can you elaborate on this ... what or who is "Emanijil"?
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And wealth is no measure of getting through "the Door" and in fact it is the opposite, the wealth makes it a problem getting through the Door. It is like if a camel is to pass through the Eye of a Needle in Jerusalem, very problematic.
Be well
EmanuelI agree that wealth should not be given priority in life. But if all people stopped contributing to the growth of a society, and became cave dwelling hermits, then we would end up creating our own hell on earth. The better proposition would be to be a productive and contributing member of society while also adhering to the principals and the faith in God that matter for the after life.
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Peace reel,
We have been told that if we do good we will get heaven and for bad actions, hell is waiting for us. Fair enough until we look at some of the people. Take Cheney for instance. Even he knows that he deserves jail. List of his criminal activities is a bit too long. But he is pretty immune. I admit that the guy gets a lot of hate in public, but law isn't doing anything to him. He has money and he truly doesn't need to care about what others think about him. Now look at the case of a poverty stricken person. His life is tied to struggle. But to get out of this, he become compelled to do things against the law. This can be anything ranging from joining a gang to murdering people for money. If he is caught he will be in jail for years. He has no way to run away from it.
Now here is the thing, both of these men are guilty and probably have hell as their final destiny. But how is this a fair deal?
Cheney Joy in this world, hell after death
Poverty stricken guy who ends up doing criminal activities Hell in this world, hell after death
This is exactly the same reasoning that led me to a breakthrough discovery about what really happens after death and what really goes on before we are born and changed my views drastically. What I have found so far is that there is no literal hell as in literal burning fire EVER. Instead there are repercussions to one's actions in this life and/or the afterlife. The afterlife will be on a 3rd density planet if there are karmic repercussions that have not been resolved, either on Earth or a similar 3rd density planet elsewhere. The karmic repercussion will be exactly equivalent to the action performed. For example if you killed someone, you will be killed in the same way. Once those karmic repercussions are experienced (hell) and resolved AND good deeds outweigh the bad deeds, one will ascend to a 4th density or higher existence which you might know as "heaven". This higher existence will also be a physical/mental/spiritual existence like on Earth, but your physical characteristics will be different.
Quranic evidence
Reincarnation.
228 How can you reject allah when you were dead and he brought you to life? Then he makes you die, then he brings you to life, then to him you return.
4011 They will say "Our lord, you have made us die twice, and you have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state?"
2259 Or the one who passed through a town which had become ruins. He said "How can allah possibly revive this after it had died?" So allah put him to death for one hundred calendar years, then he resurrected him. He said "How long have you stayed here?" He said "I have stayed here a day or part of a day." He said "No, you have stayed here for one hundred calendar years! Look at your food and drink, they have not changed, but look at your donkey! And we will make you a sign for the people; and look at the bones how We expand them, then we cover them with flesh." So when it was clear to him what happened, he said "I now know that allah is capable of all things!"
2259 is a clear cut example of reincarnation on the same Earth.
Karmic repercussion.
997 So whoever does the weight of an atom of good will see it.
998 And whoever does the weight of an atom of evil will see it.Physical form transformed.
5660 We have predetermined death for you. Nothing can stop us,
5661 From transforming your forms, and establishing you in what you do not know.Extra quranic evidence (please read it fully just for the fun of it, it will answer many of your other questions as well)
http//www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx
Peace
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Hello OnlyOneGod,
Can you elaborate on this ... what or who is "Emanijil"?
I am.
I agree that wealth should not be given priority in life. But if all people stopped contributing to the growth of a society, and became cave dwelling hermits, then we would end up creating our own hell on earth. The better proposition would be to be a productive and contributing member of society while also adhering to the principals and the faith in God that matter for the after life.
It was not a matter of not contributing but about hoarding or even be concerned about money and buy yourself things which you do not need. The way the system works is hardly "God compatible". The world could work without any fiscal means if people had no material desires but were strictly thinking like God.
The question is what a man really needs and why they really need it. A person can be contributing to the society without feeding it with artificial money. The world is too concerned about money and most money is in the hands of a minority of people. And the reason why they say wealth is so bad is because when you chase after money you forget about everything else.
You know that there is truth in the saying about "a camel through Eye of a Needle" or otherwise it would never be there in the first place. Obviously it is referring to one's baggage in their possession because through this "Door" one should travel lightly, a camel will not fit easily. A camel was once expensive property and this saying is millennia old. In fact it is all metaphorical and you need the right mind to understand its implication.
The metaphorical usage about Heaven is that the Door in there is very narrow and small that a camel can hardly go in through there referring to a man's property. But, in truth it is if you desire money, that is also where your heart is.
Be well
Emanuel -
Peace reel,
This is exactly the same reasoning that led me to a breakthrough discovery about what really happens after death and what really goes on before we are born and changed my views drastically. What I have found so far is that there is no literal hell as in literal burning fire EVER. Instead there are repercussions to one's actions in this life and/or the afterlife. The afterlife will be on a 3rd density planet if there are karmic repercussions that have not been resolved, either on Earth or a similar 3rd density planet elsewhere. The karmic repercussion will be exactly equivalent to the action performed. For example if you killed someone, you will be killed in the same way. Once those karmic repercussions are experienced (hell) and resolved AND good deeds outweigh the bad deeds, one will ascend to a 4th density or higher existence which you might know as "heaven". This higher existence will also be a physical/mental/spiritual existence like on Earth, but your physical characteristics will be different.
Quranic evidence
Reincarnation.
228 How can you reject allah when you were dead and he brought you to life? Then he makes you die, then he brings you to life, then to him you return.
4011 They will say "Our lord, you have made us die twice, and you have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state?"
2259 Or the one who passed through a town which had become ruins. He said "How can allah possibly revive this after it had died?" So allah put him to death for one hundred calendar years, then he resurrected him. He said "How long have you stayed here?" He said "I have stayed here a day or part of a day." He said "No, you have stayed here for one hundred calendar years! Look at your food and drink, they have not changed, but look at your donkey! And we will make you a sign for the people; and look at the bones how We expand them, then we cover them with flesh." So when it was clear to him what happened, he said "I now know that allah is capable of all things!"
2259 is a clear cut example of reincarnation on the same Earth.
Karmic repercussion.
997 So whoever does the weight of an atom of good will see it.
998 And whoever does the weight of an atom of evil will see it.Physical form transformed.
5660 We have predetermined death for you. Nothing can stop us,
5661 From transforming your forms, and establishing you in what you do not know.Extra quranic evidence (please read it fully just for the fun of it, it will answer many of your other questions as well)
http//www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx
Peace
I don't reject reincarnation for sure. I would like some more explanations from you about karma. Do you believe that reincarnation happens to make the sinner taste his own sin? Can it happen for all? The problem is that if the person does not remember what he once did his punishment in next life would look unfair. My point is that karma does exist and it can be tasted in this life. Only problem is that Cheney like people seem to be skipped by it. He is pretty much the biggest villain in his family. His cousin Obama looks less scary. But the same evil families keep ruling. Examples Bush family, Rockefellers and many more. Karma seems to not come to them (
The only people who suffer the most are the average humans with no power. Sure they can try to overthrow such families But before it can begin, they can be made disappeared, making the evil rule!
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http//www.foolproofcure.net/newsbulletin.aspx?qid=69
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Peace reel,
I don't reject reincarnation for sure. I would like some more explanations from you about karma. Do you believe that reincarnation happens to make the sinner taste his own sin? Can it happen for all? The problem is that if the person does not remember what he once did his punishment in next life would look unfair. My point is that karma does exist and it can be tasted in this life. Only problem is that Cheney like people seem to be skipped by it. He is pretty much the biggest villain in his family. His cousin Obama looks less scary. But the same evil families keep ruling. Examples Bush family, Rockefellers and many more. Karma seems to not come to them (
The only people who suffer the most are the average humans with no power. Sure they can try to overthrow such families But before it can begin, they can be made disappeared, making the evil rule!
The problem is that we look at things only from our perspective of this present life and current existence. To completely and satisfactorily understand all these issues, we will have to look at the grand scheme of things from a grand perspective of all of hundreds of past lives each one of us have experienced, and all the experiences and lessons we have learned or yet to learn. Once you have done that (and you definitely will in between lives )), you will discover the real reason for our existence and why things happen the way they do.
What I am about to say might sound shocking to you right now but you will eventually understand there is no such thing as a "sinner" or a "sin" or "punishment" in the absolute reality. You will understand why karma exists, and why we HAVE to forget our past lives in order to make spiritual progress. What if a person who you consider evil in this current existence is like that just so that someone else can learn a lesson because of that person's negative actions and therefore looking at the grand scheme of things from a higher perspective that person's actions actually HELPED SOMEONE ELSE make spiritual progress and ascend into the higher spiritual density. Think about it.
Suddenly, what you consider a "sin" from someone else towards you might be the best thing needed for your spiritual progress in the next life, and someone you considered a "sinner" in this existence might actually turn out to be your best friend from the grand perspective who helped you make spiritual progress in this current existence by sacrificing its own spiritual progress and taking on karma just to help you out. Don't worry, NO ONE is skipped by karma. It's just that we are not looking at the grand perspective from the myopic perspective of this current life.
Please see my following post about karma, why we forget our past lives, and some other mysteries
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606464.msg364759#msg364759
All your questions are answered very eloquently in "the law of one" at the link I referenced in previous post. Read it, I will guarantee that all your questions will be satisfactorily answered, all mysteries will be revealed and everything will make perfect sense ) It took me a few months to read and understand it properly and the first few nights I couldn't stop reading all night long and couldn't sleep because I was so excited by what I was discovering. It all made perfect sense and for the first time in my life I had the answers to almost all of my deepest questions.
Peace
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What I am about to say might sound shocking to you right now but you will eventually understand there is no such thing as a "sinner" or a "sin" or "punishment" in the absolute reality.
That's the theory of Maya. According to it, there is nothing good or bad because everything is an illusion. I for once cannot agree with it because we have the conscience.
You will understand why karma exists, and why we HAVE to forget our past lives in order to make spiritual progress. What if a person who you consider evil in this current existence is like that just so that someone else can learn a lesson because of that person's negative actions and therefore looking at the grand scheme of things from a higher perspective that person's actions actually HELPED SOMEONE ELSE make spiritual progress and ascend into the higher spiritual density.
I understand that when humans unite villains like cheney can be kicked out of power. But what if the victim is a tiny kid? How tearing it limb by limb can teach it any lesson? In one of my threads, I was talking about deep web. Google "Destruction of Daisy". You can read a bit about it here
http//www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/06/15/australian-behind-daisy-sex-videos-chargedSuddenly, what you consider a "sin" from someone else towards you might be the best thing needed for your spiritual progress in the next life, and someone you considered a "sinner" in this existence might actually turn out to be your best friend from the grand perspective who helped you make spiritual progress in this current existence by sacrificing its own spiritual progress and taking on karma just to help you out.
It is easy to make such claim when nothing wrong has happened in our lives. I get the meaning of tests, but never the idea that a bunch of blood thirsty people should be left alone by God.
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Peace reel,
That's the theory of Maya. According to it, there is nothing good or bad because everything is an illusion. I for once cannot agree with it because we have the conscience.
What I meant was it is not "punishment" for "sins" by an external vengeful wrathful God. It is a repercussion of one's negative actions in the previous life. When a person dies, its spirit immediately goes into the 6th density existence in between lives which is a positive existence. In this state, the spirit being reverted o its positive state realizes the negative actions it performed in the 3rd density existence. There it is presented with various possible repercussions to the negative actions performed in the 3rd density existence illusion, and the spirit freely voluntarily chooses the repercussion to be faced in the next life.
I understand that when humans unite villains like cheney can be kicked out of power. But what if the victim is a tiny kid? How tearing it limb by limb can teach it any lesson? In one of my threads, I was talking about deep web. Google "Destruction of Daisy". You can read a bit about it here
http//www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/03/06/15/australian-behind-daisy-sex-videos-chargedYou might not like this view, but what if the spirit incarnated as that child performed a similar action to another child in the previous 3rd density existence and is now undergoing the repercussion of that negative action, freely chosen by itself to balance the karma?
It is easy to make such claim when nothing wrong has happened in our lives. I get the meaning of tests, but never the idea that a bunch of blood thirsty people should be left alone by God.
You are again looking at this from a limited perspective of this life alone, rather than a full complete and absolute perspective of all the lives already lived, in the grand scheme of things.
NO ONE skips or escapes the karmic repercussions. Those blood thirsty people might get away scot free in this life but are incurring HEAVY karmic repercussions in the next life and they will NEVER escape from that UNLESS they are forgiven by the grieved people. Forgiveness by the grieved person is the ONLY thing that can break the karmic cycle.
Peace
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Peace everyone,
The following gives a grand perspective and behind the scenes information about why we are here, why things/events happen in our lives and on this Earth the way they do, and how some things that might seem unfair from the limited perspective of our lives might actually not be unfair from the grand perspective. A word of warning though This material is not for the close minded or the faint of heart. You have to be a completely open minded person to even start reading this material! If this material does not resonate with you or offend you in any way then please feel free to discard it. You all will always be loved and will remain my brothers and sisters in this journey we have undertaken no matter what your beliefs or views )
Personally this material makes total sense to me and explains a lot of mysteries. It is confirmed by a lot of passages of al-quran and has made me understand those passages which I could not understand before. For example
3869 "I had no knowledge of the command up high, that they had quarreled."
3870 "It is only inspired to me that I am a clear warner."Now I know who the quarrel was between and what it was about! Note that these verses come right before the verses explaining creation of a human and story of Satan. Read 3869 to 3885 again after you have read the interview!
The message of the interview is also confirmed by "The Law Of One" material. It has strengthened my belief in the One Infinite Creator, the Day of the Harvest (the last day) and the importance of choosing and walking upon Service To Others positive polarity path (doing good deeds) which is the basic message. These concepts are promoted by al-quran itself and are the most important for our spiritual progress even according to al-quran
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in allah and the last day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
Following is the summary
http//www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_bloodlines
The original 60 page interview is here, which took place in October 2008
http//www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
In my opinion, "Hell" is the following
These souls will remain "quarantined", incarnating in third density matter until the time of the next harvest; in which time they will need to have proved that they have learned how to be more positive beings, focused more upon being of service to others, rather than seeking only to serve themselves.
By attaining a negative harvest, we can still "graduate" to fourth density, only it will be a negative polarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we (as a group soul) have incurred the natural karmic restitution process that we must work off for all the negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a cycle in our new fourth density world, and then we will be freed to once again be the glorious being of light that we truly are.
"Heaven" is the following
Those of the predominantly positive polarity (love and light) will ascend to a beautiful new fourth density Earth. There they will begin to work upon their learning and demonstrating of love and compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The fourth density begins to open souls up to their true powers as unique individualized aspects of the One Infinite Creator. These individuals will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call Jesus promised they would do, "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for those who ascend.
Remember that this current physical body you carry around with you is not who you are. It's just the vessel for your essence. Who you are is real and cannot be destroyed. You will retain all your memories of this life experience once you pass beyond the realm of time/space or that which some call heaven. That infinite being living within and around your body, namely your soul, is who you really are. The part of you that thinks, and feels, and loves. It will always be a part of you.
What Service To Others (the key to "Heaven" is
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine love for life and for being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day for bringing you into being and for his bountiful provision. You have survived this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Desire to serve flows naturally from a grateful heart.
Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator for all that it has done and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of life experience and offered you the free will to decide what you will create with it.
Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. If you see doom and gloom, then that is what you are projecting. The world is your mirror. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. If you do not like the reflection life is showing you, then change that which is causing it.
When you are coming from a place of love for and service to your Creator, a life of service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow beings. Be of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light in a dark world.
Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "angels in disguise"? Look and see the divine spark in the heart of all beings. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself, and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. "For even as you do it to the least of these, you do it unto me".
Finding the truth
Never take what another says to you as "Truth". Your purpose here is to find your own truth. Sometimes others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their truth to become your truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment. Sit quietly in meditation and ask the Infinite Creator to guide your path. Meditate upon that which I have shared and listen to your inner feelings. Feelings are the language of your soul.
Follow your heart. Listen to, and trust, your inner voice.
Why prayers are not answered
The main reason people don't have their prayers answered is because they do not really believe that they will. They don't have faith in our Infinite Creator or have trust in him. The most powerful form of prayer is thanksgiving. "For even before you ask, I have already given it unto you". Thanksgiving is knowing that our Infinite Creator has provided for you as he promised and being thankful for that, even before you see the results.
May the One Infinite Creator guide us to the truth.