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What is your views on biblical and hadith prophecies?

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    huruf
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    The end of times is all the time.

    Salaam

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      good_logic
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      Peace .

      Those who expect judgement day and prepare for it, know it will come one day in the future. It does not matter whether it is tomorrow ,the day after, next year,next century or... GOD promised His believers security and peace on that day.

      Those who live in fear of it, are not really sure if there is accountability and those who do not care,should worry about it and rightly so. It will come as a shock to them.

      Irrelevant whether prophecies are true or not. The day of judgement is the ultimate true prophecy.

      Prepare yourself for that day and you will have no worries.

      GOD bless.
      Peace.

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        fye
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        hello hadiths and prophecy(s) are only valided if supported by a verse in the quran, if you look at the quran as a book where every verse is a truth, these verses become rules or laws in which the past, present, and future is based.

        there is a verse in the quran saying " the truth affirms the truth" there can not be a "lone" truth it would be a lie.
        the prophecy on prophet isa (jesus the christened) return is in the quran, there is a verse stating that his return is a sign of the times.
        the verse if broken down with context clues says he will return and it's a prophecy to be fullifilled or forefilled.
        if a hadith goes against anything in the quran it's a false hadith (saying-hear say )

        if a prophecy in the bible goes against the quran then know that the quran is true above the bible yet we believe all the books read surah 2 baqarah where ALLAH tells us about selfish people who want the knowledge all to themselves so you have to pay attention to them, and the illiterates who know not the book or the verse speaking of abbrogation of verses one being replace with something better or similar.

        the quran is a guide and a "mercy" to .....(surah 21-7)
        -messenger of ALLAH

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          Wakas
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          I mean if we study the Bible and their revalations many of biblical prophecies have came true and similarly many of hadith revelation have come true also.

          Fire enough shots in the dark and you're bound to hit the target sometimes.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            Invalid777
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            Yeah, after going over the books of the three religions that's what I felt.
            The funniest thing about them
            Jewish When messiah will come everyone will become jewish
            Christians When messiah will come everyone will become christian
            Muslims When messiah will come everyone will become muslim.

            Protocols of Zion was an eye opener.

            Iblis has laid out his foundation for one of his greatest deceptions. Using hadith books he has perverted the path promoted by the messengers of God.
            The Jews, hundreds of years after Moses's death created Mishnah (hadith, sayings) and Gemarrah (sunna, Actions) and uphold them and the invented laws in them rather than the TORAH (revealed word of God).

            In the city of Nicene 300 years after the death of Jesus, the concept of Trinity was created, and is now the primary source of a Christian's belief in defiance of the Bible which advocates the absolute worship of God Alone.

            The Muslims 150- 200 years after the death of Muhammed created another source of their religion with the Quran, "Hadith and Sunnah", falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammed, and in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of Hadith and Sunnah.

            "Do you not see that We have sent satanic forces against the disbelievers to incite them into confusion?"

            Hadith books were specifically written to deceive. For all the predictions in hadith books such as corruption and oppression becoming widespread, it is Iblis and his minions(Jinns and human devils) who are fulfilling these predictions. This doesn't mean that they're always true. A lot of prophecies in hadith books have not materialized. What we can deduce from it though is that Islamic, Jewish and Christian eschatology share a lot in common not to mention the fact that these religions were corrupted the same way. The Quran does not speak of Jesus coming back and saving the world from corruption. There really is no second coming of Jesus.
            The quran though has its own prophecies for the coming of the day of Judgement. Difference here though is that it is decreed by God to happen.

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              fye
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              Iblis has laid out his foundation for one of his greatest deceptions. Using hadith books he has perverted the path promoted by the messengers of God.
              The Jews, hundreds of years after Moses's death created Mishnah (hadith, sayings) and Gemarrah (sunna, Actions) and uphold them and the invented laws in them rather than the TORAH (revealed word of God).

              In the city of Nicene 300 years after the death of Jesus, the concept of Trinity was created, and is now the primary source of a Christian's belief in defiance of the Bible which advocates the absolute worship of God Alone.

              The Muslims 150- 200 years after the death of Muhammed created another source of their religion with the Quran, "Hadith and Sunnah", falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammed, and in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of Hadith and Sunnah.

              "Do you not see that We have sent satanic forces against the disbelievers to incite them into confusion?"

              Hadith books were specifically written to deceive. For all the predictions in hadith books such as corruption and oppression becoming widespread, it is Iblis and his minions(Jinns and human devils) who are fulfilling these predictions. This doesn't mean that they're always true. A lot of prophecies in hadith books have not materialized. What we can deduce from it though is that Islamic, Jewish and Christian eschatology share a lot in common not to mention the fact that these religions were corrupted the same way. The Quran does not speak of Jesus coming back and saving the world from corruption. There really is no second coming of Jesus.
              The quran though has its own prophecies for the coming of the day of Judgement. Difference here though is that it is decreed by God to happen.

              remember those verses in surah 2 speaking about the jews?
              something like " their forgeries deceive them as to their own religion...", surah 2 speaks about this surah baqarah is all about the true muslim and the fakes, read the quran like a story book about a guy surah 1 seeing the believers pray then becoming a believer or finding out that he believes the same thing (into surah 2) and yes the quran does speak about jesus coming back it's near the ayat, we shall produce from the earth a beast to face them for they did not believe with certianity, also it says in the quran near the ayat " 'we killed jesus Christ the son of mary' but they killed him not nor was he cruxified" it goes and not one of you but must believe in him before the day of judgement... or something. these things are in the quran, not to insult you but you really got to understand that the quran is directed to the reader, and "o ye who believe!" "o children of Israel!" , and the hadith is simply hear say, I hear this from this guy who heard this from that guy and now I'm saying it to you. i.e. the telephone game (where you whisper a message til it's distorted by people mishearing it).
              ..... everyone needs to just read the quran I believe it's shorter than harry potter so you have no excuse, but you probably would not read it to extend your own lives or the lives of you children... sad.

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                Iblis has laid out his foundation for one of his greatest deceptions. Using hadith books he has perverted the path promoted by the messengers of God.
                The Jews, hundreds of years after Moses's death created Mishnah (hadith, sayings) and Gemarrah (sunna, Actions) and uphold them and the invented laws in them rather than the TORAH (revealed word of God).

                That was my exact feeling. Its just divide and rule. Ultimate idea is to allow each group feel superior than the rest and use it for destruction! I sometimes see the heightened confidence level in those who see the "prophecies" coming true. Its no surprise that they speak of mainly struggle between groups.

                "Do you not see that We have sent satanic forces against the disbelievers to incite them into confusion?"

                From all sides, I would say! But hadiths definitely facilitated the hate and destruction.

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                  Invalid777
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                  remember those verses in surah 2 speaking about the jews?
                  something like " their forgeries deceive them as to their own religion...", surah 2 speaks about this surah baqarah is all about the true muslim and the fakes, read the quran like a story book about a guy surah 1 seeing the believers pray then becoming a believer or finding out that he believes the same thing (into surah 2) and yes the quran does speak about jesus coming back it's near the ayat, we shall produce from the earth a beast to face them for they did not believe with certianity, also it says in the quran near the ayat " 'we killed jesus Christ the son of mary' but they killed him not nor was he cruxified" it goes and not one of you but must believe in him before the day of judgement... or something. these things are in the quran, not to insult you but you really got to understand that the quran is directed to the reader, and "o ye who believe!" "o children of Israel!" , and the hadith is simply hear say, I hear this from this guy who heard this from that guy and now I'm saying it to you. i.e. the telephone game (where you whisper a message til it's distorted by people mishearing it).
                  ..... everyone needs to just read the quran I believe it's shorter than harry potter so you have no excuse, but you probably would not read it to extend your own lives or the lives of you children... sad.

                  God took Jesus away(his soul) before he was crucified.The sectarians at the time thought they crucified and killed him but they did not. That does not mean Jesus is still alive, that's the sort of nonsense Muslims and Christians believe. God does not shy away from the truth and would have told us in the Quran that Jesus would be sent back to earth for another life and save the world from corruption(as Islam and Christianity claims). Jesus the son of Mary is DEAD. He is NOT coming back to earth. Iblis and his minions have corrupted the bible and authored the hadith books.

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                    Jesus is not dead, but he is alive in the Father.

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                      Invalid777
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                      Jesus is not dead, but he is alive in the Father.

                      Dead as in he left this material world I meant. Martyrs don't die too. They are with God. What is foolish to believe though is that he's coming back to save the world, break the cross and kill the pigs.

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                        fye
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                        God took Jesus away(his soul) before he was crucified.The sectarians at the time thought they crucified and killed him but they did not. That does not mean Jesus is still alive, that's the sort of nonsense Muslims and Christians believe. God does not shy away from the truth and would have told us in the Quran that Jesus would be sent back to earth for another life and save the world from corruption(as Islam and Christianity claims). Jesus the son of Mary is DEAD. He is NOT coming back to earth. Iblis and his minions have corrupted the bible and authored the hadith books.

                        dude read the verse again they killed him not nor cruxified him but allah brought him up to himself, i consider the story of prophet elijah being taken up in a chariot of fire in front of his elias who later became a prophet (or maybe i should re-read the bible???)
                        but "the coming of the christ is a sign of the time" this is a verse near the verse saying and a beast of the earth will speak unto them for they did not believe with certianty.
                        also a verse i read on the bus today the likeness of prophet jesus is that of prophet adam he was dust and ALLAH said the word be and he was consider just what jesus was made from it was dust that most likely became sperm....everything in this world needs a physical element to exist so did christ jesus, he is and will never be god ...christianty and it's time paradoxes....lolz.
                        he was just a man he need your help and the people were to busy being amazed to give him food or clothes to wear... praise ALLAH for the Alms.
                        but sorry for the long post consider what prophet adam was made from, dust, a bunch of atoms (mixed metals, some gases, oxygen , water because ALLAh created all life from water .
                        for a visual for prophet adam remember lord of the rings and the orcs had a spawning pool?
                        seriously that fits the science better than magic and miracles which do not exist.

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                          That was my exact feeling. Its just divide and rule. Ultimate idea is to allow each group feel superior than the rest and use it for destruction! I sometimes see the heightened confidence level in those who see the "prophecies" coming true. Its no surprise that they speak of mainly struggle between groups.
                          From all sides, I would say! But hadiths definitely facilitated the hate and destruction.

                          A good example of this superiority complex pushed by organised religion is Israel. They are convinced that they are chosen by God. Some sort of a master race(Nazi ideology comes to mind). With this mentality, it is easy for them to oppress and commit atrocities without shedding a tear. They think God is their God alone and loves them alone. It's with this mentality they go around the world, launch false flags to gain sympathy and support, of course, with the blood of innocent people who had nothing to do with them. Why you ask? Well,because they're not Gods chosen people so their blood is worthless.
                          Christian rapture freaks support Israel because of guess what? Organised religion. They think by supporting an apartheid that bombs children playing on a beach and in their schools and while in their beds at sleep, is going to bring about the second coming of Jesus.

                          Another example is Islam. I was raised to believe that everyone is going to hell except for Muslims. All I had to do to be saved from hell was to idolize Muhammad, pray 5 robotic prayers a day and grow a beard. My family are stereotypical Sunnis, they look down on anyone who doesn't wear a headscarf or have a beard.

                          Jews, Muslims and Christians always seem to argue about whose religion is the true one and which one came first. The reality though is that they'll a bunch of sectarians.

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                            Salm all!

                            This is my first post and I did not know what to say in the 'Introduce Yourself' section so I think I'll just jump straight in!

                            In answer to the original question, my belief is; I think we all probably agree the injl and hadth is composed of both truth and error - to what extent no one knows except Allh, so ultimately we run the risk of making ourselves stray.

                            However some of it we can confirm or refute based on the Qur'n, and then another portion we cannot do this with, this is the part which can lead us astray.

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                              fye
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                              that is true but we already have the truth in the quran, the injil and hadith are simply a few peoples experiences while the quran is the book that give the guidelines to what will happen and it explains what has happened, you have similar examples in your everyday life, where a verse in the quran is true or you can relate to the prophet avoid the sun in the shade eating dates. do you really think someone should follow you around and right a book about everything in your life experience?

                              this is a hypo-something or the other question, also this person does not understand why you do some of the things you do and yes, people do the wrong things (make mistakes) sometimes because of some evil they did.

                              there is a verse in the quran saying that you can expect the punishment to come from ALLAH or from your own hand, and a similar verse saying you are enough to punish you.

                              ALLAH has promised prophet Abraham, the prophet we muslims should model ourselves after, that he would always send a messenger, ui don't recall the verse but that is true even to this day as the city of mecca is a santurary secure

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                                Peace all,

                                Accurate (meaning mentioning a certain time and giving a clear cut prediction, not necessarily true) predictions and prophecies are the HALLMARK of negative channelings from the negative higher density entities. The negative higher density entities channel negative messages of truth mixed with falsehood to further their agenda of control of humans through fear, greed, power, materialism, selfishness, and establishment of a hierarchical structure of human society in line with their service to self path, and to lend credence to their negative channelings they also include accurate predictions and prophecies in their channelings which are not necessarily true. This is how they have deceptively polluted and corrupted all the original positive channelings from the positive higher density entities like Gabriel (positive 6th density) of the law of one, law of free will, love, light, service to others and a horizontal non-hierarchical social structure to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc.

                                Following is an interesting chapter in a book which explains how to differentiate a negative from a positive channeling. I highly recommend reading the full book at this link

                                http//areyouseekingthelight.com/

                                Some excerpts

                                These positive-polarity higher-intelligence beings, through channeled writings, very clearly state that the fear and guilt based religions presently on Earth were intentionally set up and or infiltrated by negative entities, in some cases centuries ago, in order to cause the present day conflicts and chaos we are witnessing in many places around the globe! These negative entities have a never-ending agenda to distort the truth about God's love and that the last thing this loving God would ever want is one human being harming another human being!

                                It becomes tremendously important to know whether the source of channeled materials is positive or negative when you realize that channeling, in one form or another, has been involved or used through the ages, in the majority of known religions on Earth! Put another way, many early religious leaders, and even some present ones, are still being fooled and misled by negative entities posing as positive entities! Through the many early religious leaders being misled, negative entities managed to completely change major beliefs in some religions, and religious documents and artifacts in others.

                                When any channeled material makes a prediction about an upcoming event, especially an Earth changing event, this is a guaranteed sign that the "source" of the material is from negative entities. Positive entities, per The Law of One material, are never allowed to violate your free will by telling you about future events that will take place here on Earth.

                                Following is the introduction to the book

                                http//areyouseekingthelight.com/introduction.html

                                Please feel free to discard whatever does not resonate with you, in accordance with the law of free will.

                                Peace

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                                  savage_carrot
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                                  and kill the pigs.

                                  Lol, kill the pigs, save the world. They should have that on mugs. Heroes of triviality.

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                                    fye
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                                    Peace all,

                                    Accurate (meaning mentioning a certain time and giving a clear cut prediction, not necessarily true) predictions and prophecies are the HALLMARK of negative channelings from the negative higher density entities. The negative higher density entities channel negative messages of truth mixed with falsehood to further their agenda of control of humans through fear, greed, power, materialism, selfishness, and establishment of a hierarchical structure of human society in line with their service to self path, and to lend credence to their negative channelings they also include accurate predictions and prophecies in their channelings which are not necessarily true. This is how they have deceptively polluted and corrupted all the original positive channelings from the positive higher density entities like Gabriel (positive 6th density) of the law of one, law of free will, love, light, service to others and a horizontal non-hierarchical social structure to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc.

                                    Following is an interesting chapter in a book which explains how to differentiate a negative from a positive channeling. I highly recommend reading the full book at this link

                                    http//areyouseekingthelight.com/

                                    Some excerpts

                                    Following is the introduction to the book

                                    http//areyouseekingthelight.com/introduction.html

                                    Please feel free to discard whatever does not resonate with you, in accordance with the law of free will.

                                    Peace

                                    high density as in "sinkers" things sinking into hell? odd question are there any prophecies, ayat, or hadith that support this in other than humans and jinns?

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