SALAT NOT PHYSICAL???

Taro_Hiroshi

Please be patient, brother.

I think it could be important IF they're indeed the true believers (e.g. if the person who ask and the person who is asked are the believers).

If we're truly believers, then I think we should not hide/conceal what we believe from the other believers.

Please ponder this... if someone sincerely ask to you to know about what you believe, or about how you perform salat, then whether is it righteous if you refuse to give the answer?

I don't think that all of the members here are always sincere with their questions.

However, what I disagree is this kind of statement "it is not important to know what other believers do"

Among the contents of the Qur'an are the information/explanations about the things that have been done by the prophets, the messengers, and the believers, those are good lessons & good examples for us, thus it is important to know what other believers do.

In any case, I'm sorry if what I wrote is unpleasant to you. I don't intend to disrespect you, brother Hiroshi.

If I remove that word ("muslims&quot, then I agree with the above statement.

Peace and regards.

Peace sister.

Thank you for your advice. I agree with most of your views (in your post).

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace kamenriderkiki, all,

in your post about the meaning of salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606711.0

Sujud not physical prostrarion,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354418#msg354418

You stated that salat in your post does not necessarily mean ritual prayer or sujud doesn't really mean physical prostration because of verse 2218 states that the sun and moon prostrates to god

I have never stated that Salat does not necessarily mean ritual prayer. I have not used the word "necessarily" in regards to Salat.

I think that the word Salat means different things according to the different contexts in different verses of the Quran. That being said, I also think that the word Salat also means one thing (since the root of this word has a basic meaning).

My view about Sujud has changed. And I no longer take a stance (for or against) in regards to Sujud. I am open to different interpretations of the word Sujud. Please read this post

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607327.msg376442#msg376442

But taro would you kindly share to us on how you do your salat, won't hurt sharing a little info would it? Just an example, don't be shy i don't know your true identity or where you live

I will write a post about salat (in a new thread in this forum) in due time. In the post I will share my thoughts on salat.

truthseeker11

Peace Taro Hiroshi,

If we follow what other muslims say they do (in regards to Salat), then I think that we will end up following the words of men instead of the words of God.

As you said, we have to go by Quran to find out what salat is. You already know about 4914 since you have quoted it before and you know the difference between "muslim" and "mumin". As per Quran, establishing salat is for "mumineen" (4103) not for "muslimeen".

In my understanding, the salat to be established by mumineen is a "communion" or "intimate communication" between mumineen and allah. This meaning fits all occurrences of salat in Quran. How else can one get orders about what actions to perform in life during salat

1187 They said "O Shu'ayb, does your salat ORDER you that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? It seems only you are the compassionate, the wise!"

It definitely has physical components as well as mental components. I still haven't been able to figure out all details completely but some things I know for sure about salat for mumineen as per Quran

It is a "communion" or "intimate communication" between mumineen and allah.
It is compulsory only for "mumineen".
It is established twice a day, at dawn and dusk.
One cannot be in a state of intoxication during establishing salat.
There is a physical washing before it as specified in Quran.
It involves recitation with understanding of verses of Quran in a moderate tone.
It involves qiyaam and sujud. I am not sure yet if the qiyaam and sujud are only mental, or both physical and mental (maintaining/establishing or that plus physically standing, and obedience/acknowledgment/humility or that plus a physical prostration).
However, If the sujud is physical it has to be 100% upon the chin and not the forehead (no sectarians perform sujud on chin as Quran mentions).
I couldn't find any ruku or physical bowing as part of salat in Quran.
Salat ends as soon as sujud is performed (4102), so there is only 1 sujud.
Certain verse from Quran (17111) is COMPULSORY to be recited in salat (no sectarians recite that verse in their salat).
Salat also includes prayer to allah and magnifying, praising and glorifying allah.
There is no particular physical direction one has to face during salat.
No humans can be mentioned or praised during salat.

I might have missed a few things but that is just a summary.

Peace