Harut and Marut
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Peace be upon you MZ,
Thanks for bringing me the reminder.
(2102) And they followed what the devils read/recite on Soliman's kingdom/ownership and Soliman did not disbelieve, and but the devils disbelieved.
The rejectors who throw the Book (consciousness in life) behind thier backs follow what the rejecting forces(thoughts of wicked people) recited regarding the SYMBOLIC story of Solomons Kingdom. Solomon was not one without faith, instead it was the rejecting thoughts of others that were without faith**
They teach the people the magic/sorcery and what was descended on the two kings/angels Harut and Marutat Babylon
*** The rejecting thoughts(falsehood) teaches the people magic and what was descended upon the two kings(human controllers as oppossed to jinn controllers/malaika) "tear up" and broke" (Babylon)?. (Two kings symbolize division)****
and they (B) do not teach from anyone until they (B) say "But we are a test , so do not disbelieve". So they learn from them (B) what they separate with it between the human/man and his wife, and they are not with harming with it from anyone except with God's permission. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they had known for who (E) bought it, (there is) no share of blessing/fortune for him in the end (other life), and how bad (E) (is) what they bought/volunteered with it themselves, if they were knowing?
Do not buy into falsehood, which is magic because you are not seeing the CONNECTION from one event to the other, you are not seeing things HOLISTICALLY. There is no share of blessing from the mind of seperation(man from wife)*
That is a little better I think.
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"Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever."
The comprehension of the above ayat is
Malayikas are the creations by Allah who carry forward His glad tidings and warnings to the people, as criterion, in every thinking and every action they involve in. We need certain righteousness in our hearts to see the malayikas clearly. The visionary path is distinctly different from that we tread using our physical eyes. King Sulaiman is such a man with comprehension and wisdom, chosen for the prophethood.
In Sulaiman's kingdom, he followed the glad tidings of Allah and preached the same to his people. As a faithful believer in Islam, sulaiman never applied any force upon his people by way of stringent Laws in the name of Islam. Allah has made sulaiman's cabinet full of visionaries and malayikas and muslims among jinns, sothat his force was invisible, natural and wisdomful.
But the people followed not the King's admonition and prophecy, but fell to that what shaitaan breathed into their hearts, the ploy, wickedness and conjure. Babyl happened to be the capital of this wickedness. In accordance with Allah's direction, sulaiman decides in his cabinet, to choose and send the two malayikas in his cabinet, Harut and Marut who are endowed with wisdom to beat the trickeries of shaitaan sothat wisdom prevails over falsehood.
Now the two malayikas harut and marut descend on the capital of trickery, Babyl, in perfect human form. They not only preached wisdom against falsehood but also demonstrated how to out smart the sorcery of shaitan. Instead of changing their ways in the righteous path, the people of Babyl wanted to learn the wisdom only to settle score and leaned more upon their tendency to increase in their bad ways. Sensing this the malayikas warned them not to use the 'knowledge' for worse purposes admonishing them to fear Allah.
Yet, the people of Babyl learned the knowledge from the two malayikas only to misuse it. Thus the events thereafter followed their course....
May Allah Increase Us in Our Wisdom
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Peace be upon you,
Knowledge of the processes of the mind is a POWERFUL TOOL. Look at how the MIND PROGRAMMER of the Television is being used for evil.
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Peace be upon you,
I have no power to greet anyone
Good grief! ?
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Salaam drfazl,
I have no power to greet anyone.
Yusuf Ali When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. God takes careful account of all things.
You certainly have the power, you just don't want to use it!
If it wasn't within your ability, Allah wouldn't have told you to do it, would He Subhanah!?Taj
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Yusuf Ali When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. God takes careful account of all things.
TajTaj, with due respect to your advice
I would like to get certain things cleared from you. What is greeting? Where from the greeting originate? what is lip service and what is sincere seeking in the heart? Are you interested in "truthfulness" in the greeting? Or the hypocritic flowery exaltation using the vocabularies? Which one you wish for yourself? Which one shall you denounce? And what brings you peace? And before that what is peace?, please!
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Peace be upon you Mr Fazl,
Please respond to Elena's statement which I shall add to.
How can you use vocabulary in this forum to get your MESSAGE accross, but cant fix your mouth (finger typing) to say "Peace"?
Then you try to hide by asking someone to explain some nonsense. Why don't you just answer a question for a change?
I wonder why you came to this forum.
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-Drfazl,
but, don't dismiss the importance of vocabulary, words. They have great power, act as balsam, heal, inform, predispose us to remain calm. at peace.May I say this? Good and bad comes to you from Allah. So seek with Him and speak little when you greet with good or bad. You may think I am proud that i do not greet you back; but Allah knows I am humble and submissive to His warnings
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And if Allah should afflict you with harm, then there is none to remove it but He; and if He intends good to you there is none to repel His grace; He brings it to whom He pleases of His servants; and He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.Don't you want to enter into His Mercy? Do you want to advance with your greetings to one another? If at all you want to do good to others, let us turn to Allah and seek for forgiveness of our sins.
Elena, I have removed your giving me the 'peace' from the quote above and saved you from the adversity that i fear most. I seek for foregiveness of your sins. To continue the same with me or with others dispite this, our duties with each other are just to convey, not to force or enforce. Let us become Allah's servants and receive from Him whatever we need for us and for each other.
Salam, to those who believe and act accordingly. This "salam" is based on the following ayat
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(O Free-minds!) When those come to thee who believe in Our signs, Say "Peace be on you"; Your Lord hath inscribed for Himself mercy verily, if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented, and amend , lo! He is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. -
Mr Fazl,
Please respond to Elena's statement which I shall add to.I have responded.
How can you use vocabulary in this forum to get your MESSAGE accross, but cant fix your mouth (finger typing) to say "Peace"?
I can see your hatred for me just because I am following what allah asked me to follow. But you say "No! You follow Us!" If I fall and followed you, you would have taken me as your best friend. On the contrary "majority of the people are following the majority" is what allah is warning us about. With due respect to you, I submit I am not using my vocabulary to spread my thesis. With the very limited words that Allah had taught me, I am trying to convey the truth I am getting from following the Quran. "What is with Allah is the best for you!" Do you still deny this?
Then you try to hide by asking someone to explain some nonsense. Why don't you just answer a question for a change?
No, I have not hid myself. The questions are put so that you can answer your own negative approach and as a result, the truth could come back to you as a reminder and bring about change in your attitude and way.
I am reminded of this ayat whenever you answer my post.
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They said "O thou! much of what thou sayest we do not understand! In fact among us we see that thou hast no strength! Were it not for thy family(the free-minds), we should certainly have stoned thee! for thou hast among us no great position!"I wonder why you came to this forum.
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And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! -
Hi drfazl,
-Elena, I have removed your giving me the 'peace' from the quote above and saved you from the adversity that i fear most. I seek for foregiveness of your sins. -
That is very strange, it reminds me the Catholics priests' 'powers'.
How could you save me from anything? What power do you think you have?You may think I am proud that i do not greet you back
no no, I don't think you are proud, I understand you have your views on things. To me it is perfectly ok whatever kind of greeting, I even see your - - as greetings because if you didn't want to greet and just start talking directly, without a 'hi', you wouldn't have added those - -
Nobody says to me 'peace' or 'peace be upon you Elena' except here, I am not 'muslim' and nobody around me is, but I find that elaborated greeting very welcoming and I think it is always sincere. -
-Elena, I have removed your giving me the 'peace' from the quote above and saved you from the adversity that i fear most. I seek for foregiveness of your sins. -
That is very strange, it reminds me the Catholics priests' 'powers'.
How could you save me from anything? What power do you think you have?I do not have any power elena. Just took you off the responsibility of your giving me the peace, by rejecting it. You will know one day people cannot give you the peace.
no no, I don't think you are proud, I understand you have your views on things. To me it is perfectly ok whatever kind of greeting, I even see your - - as greetings because if you didn't want to greet and just start talking directly, without a 'hi', you wouldn't have added those - -
Elena,
That small hyphen is to space my post in the middle. Noo greeting is meant there. I am not being hypocrite by not keeping quiet and make you think the way you take it.
Nobody says to me 'peace' or 'peace be upon you Elena' except here, I am not 'muslim' and nobody around me is, but I find that elaborated greeting very welcoming and I think it is always sincere.
Initially it will seem to be very soothening. Wish for the Best always.
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Peace be upon you Elena and Mr Fazl,
The SAYING of peace does not mean that anyone can give another PEACE. The God says to SAY this because PEACE is where we are trying to get.
Let me ask you Brother Fazl, isn't everything you post here designed for us to see a higher truth? Then why cant your greeting follow that same law?
You cannot give is WISDOM, but you talk about it, so why the difference, especially when it is written in this reading(quran) to SAY it?
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Elena and Mr Fazl
The SAYING of peace does not mean that anyone can give another PEACE.Then why such customary greeting that does not serve purpose?
The God says to SAY this because PEACE is where we are trying to get.
We are trying to get it from God. So we turn to God and turn others as well in the direction of god from whom we seek Peace. All I point out is say May God Give Us Peace! This is the best way to greet in return when others greet you from their finger typing or fixing their mouthpiece as you rightly referred your 'peace' greetings to.
Let me ask you Brother Fazl, isn't everything you post here designed for us to see a higher truth? Then why cant your greeting follow that same law?
Follow this May Allah Grant Us Peace
Not "Peace!" from your mouthpiece.You cannot give is WISDOM, but you talk about it, so why the difference, especially when it is written in this reading(quran) to SAY it?
May Allah Bestow Us With Wisdom. I believe this and never believe myself endowing others with wisdom.
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Peace be upn you Brother Fazl,
Just answer this, does the God tell us to SAY peace be upon you?
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Fazl,
Just answer this, does the God tell us to SAY peace be upon you?Shall we discuss What " SAY " is according to the Recitation? I will start with my definition
SAY means saying what you believe in your truthful heart as the Truth.
Truth does not have such qualities like doubtfulness or confusion in it but the clarity and brightness that endows us by His Leave the wisdom of origination and power of creation. SAY shall have truth in it and shall have to be shared with the truthful in the heart. They must have the boldness to speak the truth despite their life is at stake, for the sake of Allah. SAY ing the truth costs your life; yet the belief in our truthful heart that the afterlife is most rewarding shall be above all the worldly considerations. Such is a people who allah mentions as "Believers in His Signs". If ever they come to you SAY the TRUTH, that brings SALAM to them.
SAY ing SALAM means saying the truth, but fear Allah most, and, be humble and submissive to Allah while sharing the truths. Pick up the best of the explanations and march forward discarding your pride and prejudice.
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And We ordained laws for him in the tablets in all matters, both commanding and explaining all things "Take and hold these with firmness, and enjoin thy people to hold fast of what is best thereof soon shall I show you the homes of the wicked".