ARE THESE AYATS MISTRANSLATED AS CLAIMED BY tajmaha...?

unknownuser

Salaamun to ALL

THIS THREAD IS DEDICATED TO TAJAMAHA'S MISTRANSLATIONS. WILL UPDATE THIS THREAD AS NEED BE.

tajamaha, contends that the following ayats are mistranslated and don't mean what they say (in the bold)

In order that thou mayest warn a people, whose fathers were not warned, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).
Thou wast not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor wast thou a witness (of those events).
But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners.
But We raised up (new) generations, and long were the ages that passed over them; but thou wast not a dweller among the people of Madyan, rehearsing Our Signs to them; but it is We Who send apostles (with inspiration).
Nor wast thou at the side of (the Mountain of) T?r when We called (to Moses). Yet (art thou sent) as Mercy from thy Lord, to give warning to a people to whom no warner had come before thee in order that they may receive admonition.
If (We had) not (sent thee to the Quraish),- in case a calamity should seize them for (the deeds) that their hands have sent forth, they might say "Our Lord! why didst Thou not sent us an messenger? We should then have followed Thy Signs and been amongst those who believe!"

tajamaha, argues ( you can see her arguement on the thread "THE PROBLEM WITH THIS MOVEMENT" pgs, 6 and 7)

There is no Ayah that verifies what you have stated. If you mean Ayah in Surate YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN), then you should realize that it has been wrongly translated, otherwise such wrong translations contradict Allah's Plan of sending Massengers, Prophets and Warners in all the previous times and generations, whether known to us or not.

Litunthira qawman ma onthira abaohum fahum ghafiloona
From http//www.islamicity.com/ps/default.asp?inc=PhoneticSearch.asp

YUSUFALI In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).
PICKTHAL That thou mayst warn a folk whose fathers were not warned, so they are heedless
SHAKIR That you may warn a people whose fathers were not warned, so they are heedless
From http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/036.qmt.html

The words in red are the wrong translations.

ma has three uses.
One is the negative, for example Ma Faa'altuhu, meaning I didn't do it.
Two is as a relative pronoun that which or what , for example Ma Fee Al Samaawaate Wa Ma Fee Al Ardh, meaning that which/what is in the skies and in Earth.
Three is as a question-word, for example Ma Be Yadika? Meaning What is in your hand?

fahum ghafiloona
Fa it serves many purposes, in this case it is a conjunction to show reason for.
Humm/Homm They, them.
Ghafiloona male proper plural for Ghafill which means inattentive, unaware, preoccupied, careless and few more words that give a similar meaning.

So the correct translation would be
That thou mayst warn a folk of that which/what their fathers (ancestors) had been (also) warned, for they are indeed inattentive/heedless ( or it could mean, for they are unaware 'of their guilt'. )
So because Allah is All-Just, their fathers/ancestors were essentially warned but they, heedlessly, turned away from the warning.

The following Ayat are few of many that give similar meaning

Fatir (The Originator of Creation)

Inna arsalnaka bialhaqqi basheeran wanatheeran wain min ommatin illa khala feeha natheerun
From http//www.islamicity.com/ps/default.asp?inc=Phoneticsearch.asp
035.024
YUSUFALI Verily We have sent thee in truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past).
PICKTHAL Lo! We have sent thee with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner; and there is not a nation but a warner hath passed among them.
SHAKIR Surely We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of good news and a warner; and there is not a people but a warner has gone among them.
From http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/035.qmt.html

Al-Qasas (The Narration)

Wama kana rabbuka muhlika alqura hatta yabAAatha fee ommiha rasoolan yatloo AAalayhim ayatina wama kunna muhlikee alqura illa waahluha thalimoona
Fromhttp//www.islamicity.com/ps/default.asp?inc=PhoneticSearch.asp

YUSUFALI Nor was thy Lord the one to destroy a population until He had sent to its centre a messenger, rehearsing to them Our Signs; nor are We going to destroy a population except when its members practise iniquity.
PICKTHAL And never did thy Lord destroy the townships, till He had raised up in their mother(-town) a messenger reciting unto them Our revelations. And never did We destroy the townships unless the folk thereof were evil-doers.
SHAKIR And your Lord never destroyed the towns until He raised in their metropolis a messenger, reciting to them Our communications, and We never destroyed the towns except when their people were unjust.

The Ayat you pointed are also mistranslated. The mistake in the Ayah in Surate AL-QASAS
( THE STORY, STORIES ) is the same as the one in the Ayah in Surate YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN). The ma has been yet again wrongly translated, it has been considered a negative while it should be considered a relative pronoun. The Ayat prove that. The people complained about what was given to Prophet Muhammad (PP&BBUH), for they wanted the same as what was given to Moses, which they themselves had rejected before! The Ayat speak for themselves. Another mistake is the meaning of the verb ATAA, YA'ATEE. The contemporary meaning is to come, but in the Foss-ha, the Arabic of the Quran, it is mostly used to mean to bring or to give, or to deliver. For example EATA'A AL ZAKATT. Sometimes, but not so often, it is used to mean to come in the Quran.
Since you don't know Arabic, try to read in transliteration the Ayat from till the end of and see how many times the verb ATAA and it's derivatives appear, and see their usage. You will find out for yourself that it couldn't have meant to come, at least not in this case.

According to my Arabic sources she is totally incorrect, what are thoughts of those who speak Arabic here?

UPDATE 12/19/03

tajamaha's, latest foray into mistranslating/re-writing Al-Qur-an, is as follows

'Afaghayra Allhi 'Abtagh akaman Wa Huwa Al-Ladh 'Anzala 'Ilaykumu Al-Kitba Mufaalan Wa Al-Ladhna 'taynhumu Al-Kitba Ya`lamna 'Annahu Munazzalun Min Rabbika Bil-aqqi Fal Taknanna Mina Al-Mumtarna (114).

The Arabic Word Mufassalann
, does not mean detailed.

Mufassalann has many meanings in Arabic, which can be translated to their matching Engish words, such as the meaning showing for example, or exact or exactly, or perfectly cut, or perfectly designed, or perfectly compartmented, etc.., however, none of its meanings would be detailed, if you mean by detailed Characterized by abundant use of detail or thoroughness of treatment, or to report minutely and distinctly.

tajamaha, do you think, for once, you could support your position with a scholar who, says fassalann doesn't mean detailed?