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    drfazl
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    Peace drfazl,
    Does everything here includes "iblis"?

    I understand that except humans, everything in the creation had choosen to hear and obey the god, thus being "good" as you said. And thus, the "bad or evil" can only emmanate from ourselves.

    May Allah Bless
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    Yes. Except for the humans and jinns who were given the choice, everything in the creation had been chosen to obey the god. And thus, the "bad or evil" can only emanate from men and jinns. "Iblis" turned shaitan when he bacame proud before allah. Likewise, there are shaitans among the "men" too.

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      drfazl
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      Peace drfazl,

      Knowing how to light up a fire is rather good than bad, at least one can cook and protect himeself from animals, but one can hurt someone else using fire. This is the test.

      May Allah bless
      someone,

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      none, O man! can tell thee like the One Who is acquainted with all things.

      "For cooking and protection from animals we need fire" is a very bad knowledge to lead the life with. Despite knowing that the fire has good and bad elements in it, why haven't we opted for the wisdom over knowledge to eliminate the injurious component of fire such as "burning", so that we use only the good? What happened to our wish/wisdom in the depth of our hearts? According to our wisdom, we sincerely wish we don't want the 'blazing' of fire but anything better and less harmful; or the best that is totally free from causing any injury. Our need now is either fire or heat, but not both. We do not want the flames of fire, for the fire is only for the hell bound. In the Reading, though Allah says we shall be fed with the birds' meat, we do not see in it Allah mentioning any thing called fire, indicating beyond doubt that with HIM is the wisdom above all knowledge to cook instantly without the flame of fire or heat. Why did we not wish that wisdom?

      Allah's promise is He gives the wisdom if we wish the same as that He wishes for us that we may realize our choicest feelings without its harm ever touching us. Why did we not believe such wisdom/wish as a believer if we believe we are? Why are we associating our lesser, 'worthless knowledge' with the Wisdom of almighty?

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        Peace drfazl, all

        The god creates fire by his means of control, he creates also electricity, gravity, electro-magnetic fields and what we have no knowledge of.

        You can cook your food using a microwave oven, if you don't want fire. But microwaves are not harmeless neither.

        It all comes back to our way of using such means of control, which the god made them submit to our REASONING.

        The ability to reason, I believe, is our ultimate advantage compared to the animals and others creatures.

        We have to reason our way out, not reject everything in fear of harm. And maybe you dislike something where the god made good provision for you. Surely the god is the most wise.

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          drfazl
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          Peace drfazl, all
          The god creates fire by his means of control, he creates also electricity, gravity, electro-magnetic fields and what we have no knowledge of.

          May Allah Bless
          someone

          God does not create fire but we do with the limited knowledge He had allowed for us, sothat we keep returning to Him in repentance, asking Him for removal of injurious habit from our minds; that the knowledge arises in it as a result ingrains in it more and more adversity as our intelligence grows as per His allowance based on the purity/impurity of our mental stauts, say electricity, microwave, gas etc. Every invention is threatening the very existence of human life. For example cell phone causing brain damage; tv and computers causing damage to vision; atomic energy is threatening the world war and mutations of life etc.

          Knowledge is a test for us to make us to turn towards Allah for Wisdom which alone has no adverse effect in it. But on the contrary, if we are satisfied with our 'knowledgeable stauts', then we are a proud people living dangerously.

          It all comes back to our way of using such means of control, which the god made them submit to our REASONING.

          Control must have another control and will go on endlessly that way, for the knowledge is full of mindlessness. For example, you develop a car. To prevent injury you extend a large body before the driver's seat, the bonet; then a bumper infront and back of the car as control; then speed control; then brakes; then hand-brakes; then safety belts, safety-balloon, traffic signals, traffic police, car horn etc., Despite all this and more, in the days to come for eternity, accidents will occur in increasing numbers becuae of mindlessness in a man's heart. He sees but is blind; he hears but deaf in the ears; he has heart but understands not.

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          Man says, "This has been given to me because of a certain knowledge I have!" Nay, but this knowledge is but a trial, but most of them understand not!

          Seek Wisdom for awareness to become al-knowing. The reasoning finally must elevate us to the highest seat, the Wisdom.

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            Peace drfazl, all

            I have to remind you that we should not fear ANYTHING from the god's creation, not even fire, atomic radiations or "iblis". Instead, We should be fearing the one who created everything.

            The wisdom that was bestowed on you by the god's will is very closely related to those means of control that you are condemning.

            I understand your reluctance, I had the same opinion as yours, but please let me show you the other face of the coin.

            Actually, humanity has enough wealth, knowledge and means at its disposition to eradicate famine, illiteracy and most of illness around the globe, by the god's will, or should I say, by the god's knowledge that he bestowed on us (humanity).

            This brings us to the other quality of humans, which is somehow clouded by all the problems going on in the world. This quality is mercy or humanism, contrary to egocentrism that caused and still causes unlimited problems to humanity, and at worst, its extinction. But personnaly, I doubt that those in control in this world would ever dare to destroy the earth, and thus kill themselves by the same token. They have no faith in the afterlife, thus they are attached to this life more than anyone else.

            You should have your trust in the god's wisdom, he has created everything, and surely he's the one who knows how to deal with his creation. We should not despair of the god's mercy.

            Praise to the god the powerful the merciful, the lord of the skies and the earth and all that is between.

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              God does not create fire but we do with the limited knowledge He had allowed for us

              Peace drfazl,

              This statement from you is not completely true.

              With the truth and it's the truth, the god surely creates fire, this is easy for my lord. Don't you see thunders creating fire by the god's will? Don't you see volcanos? don't you see the heat of the sun and its burnig invisible fire, that burns skins and entire forests sometimes?

              These are some of the signs of the god, for those who are aware.

              May the god guide us. He is the one who guides.

              Will we heed the call?

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                drfazl
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                Peace drfazl, all
                The wisdom that was bestowed on you by the god's will is very closely related to those means of control that you are condemning.

                Whoever resists from being unjust and controls himself from becoming emotional for Allah's sake, are rewarded with wisdom from Allah, for their good deeds. Allah's wisdom has no negative effects in it. The more we are patient the more is the deletion of the 'bad' from our knowledge. The control shall have to be upon the mind from being desirous/erroneous. Knowledge follows desires/pride/arrogance/satan.

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                When Yusuf attained His manhood, We gave him power and knowledge thus do We reward those who do right

                Actually, humanity has enough wealth, knowledge and means at its disposition to eradicate famine, illiteracy and most of illness around the globe, by the god's will, or should I say, by the god's knowledge that he bestowed on us (humanity).

                Do you mean to say that you have enough of everything and therefore you need no more, for Allah has already bestowed upon you everything well in advance? You said about your ability to withstand famine, and control most of the illnesses which Allah sends down upon a people as punishment for their not turning towards Him with their righteousness for the reward/wisdom. For, He had already removed the good from your knowledge and had increased and brought to the fore the bad elements in the knowledge you have earned through literacy/pride.

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                We took up the people in suffering and adversity, in order that they might learn humility. Then We gave them good in the place of evil plight until they became many and said Distress and happiness did indeed befall our fathers. Then We seized them by surprise while they did not perceive.

                This brings us to the other quality of humans, which is somehow clouded by all the problems going on in the world
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                "somehow" clouded? There you are lacking the "know-how". Return to the wisdom discarding all your know-how that you earned with your own hands through "literacy and pride-seeking"

                But personnaly, I doubt that those in control in this world would ever dare to destroy the earth, and thus kill themselves by the same token.

                America has done it before and doing it now and will do it forever. I hope you are not blind and deaf with the Bush and Blair when the whole world cried "No War!". Even as Hans Blix returned empty handed after weapons inspection, Bush administration said " Even if there is no sign of WMD in iraq, still we will bomb and we do not regret it for we are justified". You seem to be very personal like bush and blair's joint statement that shocked the world. What an arrogance! These are the people of america and england, far astray!

                You should have your trust in the god's wisdom, he has created everything, and surely he's the one who knows how to deal with his creation. We should not despair of the god's mercy.

                We are trying to say this to each other in turns I suppose. Either you missed what I have been maintaining all through, - or, have I missed ?

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