How Can We Wage War Against Allah?
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Hello Invalid777,
While I agree with your stance I think you ought to tone down on the rhetoric. I understand you are as annoyed as I by the falsehood in the World and especially sectarian Islam, but this is not the way. The people are deluded and believe greatly in this and it is not right to have an as sharp tone as this but we have to apply shrewdness rather than volume.
Aim at the irrationality around the religious practices rather than saying how stupid people are. You must focus hard on why it is inappropriate to do whatever the sects have instigated rather than just flaming them high.
No offense, brother.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Aim at the irrationality around the religious practices rather than saying how stupid people are. You must focus hard on why it is inappropriate to do whatever the sects have instigated rather than just flaming them high.
Agree..
Control the emotion, never get emotional at all.. don't flare up.
There is nothing to lose here.It is VERY HARD to break through from the repetitive dogma instilled upon us since birth.
Even for me it took years.. before becoming a "Kuffar" (The Unbeliever according to the religious).
I'm happy and glad that the true God had shown me the way to "kuffar", and I never felt insulted upon being labeled as such.By being a "Kuffar" I have lost all the bad traits that I once possessed..
Such as but not limited to Holier than thou attitude, hatred towards the "Kuffar", attachment to any religion,holy book, holy places, holy ritual etc.. -
By being a "Kuffar" I have lost all the bad traits that I once possessed..
Such as but not limited to Holier than thou attitude, hatred towards the "Kuffar", attachment to any religion,holy book, holy places, holy ritual etc..Actually it is usually the people who call you kuffar who are the real kuffar. Kuffar, the word, means deluded, i.e. you are blocked from seeing straight because there is a cover on you. Pity them said Jesus and I do too. It is those who are deluded who suffer and not you.
It is wiser to be a freed being, a person who is complete, free of the shackles of the Flesh by removing the instinctive influence on their behavior. (Pagan = Physical) Worship is misleading caused by the instinct and one has to realize this and avoid it, among other things. It is mentioned on the second line of the ancient Mosaic Decree, i.e. no image (representation) of anything from either Heaven (abstract) or Earth (physical).
Summary summarum, avoid being primitive. Like Jafar mentions in many of his arguments, the pride of ourselves is a great instinctive fallacy and must be dealt with. Do not indulge in vanity; this is what I interpret the third line of the Decree to say beyond the sectarian interpretation of it "no vain talk". The Mosaic Decree deals with measures to prevent satan (the instinct) from expressing itself in you. Each line ambiguously deals with respective parameter of the instinctive drive.
- Hierarchical tendency (creating of non-existent separate gods - Be attached to 'Who Is' the Rabb in unity - i.e. be one in God)
- Materialism/Lack of abstract perception and too physical (worshiping gods = goods - thou shalt not take an image of anything in Heaven or Earth and worship it)
- Pride (no vain talk)
- Lack of contemplation/The Sheep Syndrome (thou shalt keep the sabbat, i.e. you shalt contemplate)
- Lack of empathy/Selfishness (thou shalt treat thy neighbor as thyself)
- Sex drive (thou shalt not have immoral sex)
- Anger (thou shalt not kill)
- Greed (thou shalt not steal)
- Fear (thou shalt not carry false testimony)
- Jealousy (thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's property)
In fact the whole Mosaic Decree is about how you should be able to counter the instinctive influence of your Body. Jesus made a very insightful elaboration on the Decree adding
- Be attached to 'Who Is' Rabb in unity... with all your heart and all your soul...
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- "It is apparent in his teaching"
- "It is apparent in his teaching"
- "It is apparent in his teaching"
- Also care for your enemy.
- Do not even look at another woman with desire
- Do not even be angry with your brother, settle disputes quickly
- "Keep only what you need for the day" (summarized)
- Do not swear by God, let your yes be a yes and no be a no.
- "It is apparent in his teaching"
(*I could probably have found quotes if I opened the Gospels, but I was lazy, sorry, retained from memory)
Red Siin-Ba-(Ba) (being the root of Sabbat) = to find the means of, occasion of a thing, seek a living, be the cause of, use a thing as a means for, rope, cause, occasion, way, means, road, account, love, relationship/connection/tie.
See also Siin-Ba-Ta = to take rest, cease from work, repose, keep the Sabbath, be confused/perplexed/confused, cut, stop, sleep, unfold, Sabbath-day, week, addicted to sleep, rest/lethargic/motionless
= And as inf. n. of said of a man, (TK,) also signifies The being confounded, or perplexed, unable
to see one's right course, (K, TA,) and being silent, or lowering the eyes, looking towards the
ground. (TA.) = What do you do when you are in a situation as in this one? You are contemplating, trying to figure something out.A man cunning, i. e. possessing intelligence, or sagacity, or intelligence mixed with craft and forecast;
and excellent in judgment; or very cunning &c.; (K, TA silent, or lowering his eyes, looking towards the
ground; (TA and signifies the same. (K, TA.)Obviously there are many definitions available, but one has to take what is plausible.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Salam. I agree with Goodlogic.
The heart tells you something but those covered with veil cannot linked it to the brain. The heart will tell you its feelings like nervousness, anxiety, happiness, lightheartedness etc and when connected to the brain will cause us to think and rationalize something is happening/amiss/etc.
If the heart and brain are not in alignment / somewhat disconnected, signals from the heart can cause anxiety/stress, if the heart continues giving negative signals then the person will require a psychiatrist or worst becomes a lunatic bcause the brain cannot translate what the heart is saying. The brain could be misled by satanic nuances within them.
But if it is just a veil on the heart, i dont think those people go crazy they just become purely selfish in every sense of the word ie they disregard everything else to pursue their lust. In the extreme sense you get people who becomes serial killers, rapist, etc
Just to share my opinion. Peace All.
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Salam. I agree with Goodlogic.
The heart tells you something but those covered with veil cannot linked it to the brain. The heart will tell you its feelings like nervousness, anxiety, happiness, lightheartedness etc and when connected to the brain will cause us to think and rationalize something is happening/amiss/etc.
If the heart and brain are not in alignment / somewhat disconnected, signals from the heart can cause anxiety/stress, if the heart continues giving negative signals then the person will require a psychiatrist or worst becomes a lunatic bcause the brain cannot translate what the heart is saying. The brain could be misled by satanic nuances within them.
But if it is just a veil on the heart, i dont think those people go crazy they just become purely selfish in every sense of the word ie they disregard everything else to pursue their lust. In the extreme sense you get people who becomes serial killers, rapist, etc
Just to share my opinion. Peace All.
Interesting. Thanks.
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Christ...
Let's not throw the word Kafir, kuffr or anything related to disbelieving
Don't be that kind of muslim that everyone in the west right now hates
Try using the word "Why?" to understand the person you're arguing instead of"Kafir" to justify that you're more muslim than the other
Please if you think that the person you're arguing is lost or astray from the path of God then help them find their way, instead of mocking them that they are...
Peace kamenriderkiki, kufr is an apt description for those who deny, reject as per Quran.
Hello hawk99,
Yes, I disbelieve in the rituals. as much about it. And no, I do not believe in the general
interpretation of Quran, in fact not even in general.Would you disagree with my statement? Even Quran portrays him as an unrighteous man (in the mainstream interpretation). It was only intellectual honesty.
Yes, but not in the mainstream science.
I am sincere too thus I choose to reply the same. Normally I am polite not to say "get well" to people even if I think so, but since you insisted on being offensive, although for me I can admit parody was also involved, I was going to write "I thought that was our greeting?".
Get well
AmenuelSo you are involved in the abjad and huruf sciences (again not forum member) )
Do you take roots and inject vowels of your choice to make words to fit your opinion since
you do not fully agree with these sciences?Peace All.
Use your hearts folks do not be like these
Some of them listen to you, but we place veils on their hearts to prevent them from understanding, and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what kind of proof they see, they cannot believe. Thus, when they come to argue with you, the disbelievers say, "These are tales from the past.
Yes ,Qoran needs the heart and brain.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I agree @good logic, may I add
So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to Islam;
and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted
as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement
upon those who do not believe.Pagans known as Muslims hijacked the Quran and wrote false interpretations What is a "believer" to you? The followers of the scum
I deny pagan rituals falsely labelled as "salat" and "hajj". Rejecting the pagan cult of Islam doesn't make you a kaffir. If there's any sectarian group that deserves to be called kaffirs, It's the followers of Islam.the Quran isn't a detailed book as it claims in the above verse.
nope As your name clearly states, what you say is Invalid.
Praise be to Allah. I'm glad you agree with that, @ brother hawk99.
If this forum is full of the believers, I think we would feel/find wonderful
atmosphere (e.g. strong bond of brotherhood), something which is
different than current condition.This is my point exactly! The shaytayn dislikes peace (islam) so he sends
his human agents most of them being unaware of their role assigned to them
to disrupt the peace in many ways using arguments such as wordplay, his-story,
nitpicking, etc.,I realize that this is a bold statement,
Yes drawing the line between belief and kufr is indeed bold, but I think
it has become necessary to help the forum from becoming too negative
to the point of abandonment by members. Positive light should be shown on
Islam and the prophet Muhammad and for the believers not to stand by and watch
Islam bashed by non-believers.God bless
peace
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nope As your name clearly states, what you say is Invalid.
A pathetic attempt in evading my question and even cutting my sentence down and quote it to make it look like I claimed the Quran isn't a detailed book. Quite typical from a person who upholds pagan rituals and falsely ascribes them to Allah and his revelation. You showed your true colours hawk.
I will repeat myself one last time.
6/114 "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed
to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We
gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth,
so never be among the doubters.As you seem to have quoted this verse, provide some evidence from the Quran on how to perform the so called physical "salat" ritual and the hajj ritual. Remember Quran is a detailed book so don't bother with mental gymnastics. Either you're wrong or the Quran isn't a detailed book as it claims in the above verse. So take a pick hawk.
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Hello Invalid777,
While I agree with your stance I think you ought to tone down on the rhetoric. I understand you are as annoyed as I by the falsehood in the World and especially sectarian Islam, but this is not the way. The people are deluded and believe greatly in this and it is not right to have an as sharp tone as this but we have to apply shrewdness rather than volume.
Aim at the irrationality around the religious practices rather than saying how stupid people are. You must focus hard on why it is inappropriate to do whatever the sects have instigated rather than just flaming them high.
No offense, brother.
Be safe
AmenuelThough I agree with you, lying down and letting falsehood stump on you isn't a good idea. Liars need to be challenged and exposed. Yes, I do need to tone down. I'm not the best at controlling my temper and have over the past few days become impatient with the pagan cult of Islam and sectarianism. I will continue to do my best in controlling it though.
Peace.
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Hello Invalid777,
I did not say we should not act, but we need to embrace constructive criticism with less jumping onto our subjects. I can/could identify myself in my earlier me with you as I had problems with an ease of getting upset by people using provocative language. That is something you will have to focus on improving as I did. I was also impatient exposing the fabricated Islam religion, but nowadays I take it one step at a time.
Islam as a sect is ruining many lives and they lose focus on what is really important in life.
Offensive methods will not be effective and only stir up a we versus them mentality and give group identity which is not exactly the purpose. Rather it is better to advertise the alternative in a light of rationality plus constructively exposing flaws in the traditional interpretation, much like I am doing, with limited belittling. Those who fabricated today's Islam are not alive today and the people who follow it are actually victims, i.e. they are victimized and deluded and ought hence to be pitied and helped. It is not utterly their fault for falling prey as it is their limited transcendence to be able to seek outside the box of their perception causes them to really believe this is really God's word which it also is albeit with a bogus interpretation of them.
Many have realized the interpretation contains errors, but they have not come to see that it is worse than they believe and they have never imagined that it is completely out of precision even portraying a different message and model of spirituality. Because people cannot in their world believe it is as bad then they also never proceed exposing the greater falsehood and stay on thinking it is only individual words that are wrong when actually not even grammar knowledge is accurate. They have too much faith in renowned scholars and an etymology which is utterly dubious. They underestimate the evil forces of corruption.
The ancient interpreters were zeroes, they did not even know one basic word that does not mean God which is Allah. Allah means 'Who Is' which is a unity including the Rabb and every person "Who Is", an esoteric symbiosis. Functionality-wise it works very much like the 'Borg' of 'Star Trek' if you ever watched that science-fiction story. Your God is called Rabb in Arabic and that is the personal address beyond the Allah unity which may include you unless you are lifeless (al-mowt). Only if you are 'Who Is' you are 'Such Who Is'. Better be alive, not lifeless.
In ways Allah represents God, but it is never an address of someone but always an adjectival word. If you transcend then you are 'as Such Who Is'. ALLAH be such Such Who/Which/That (form of third person pronoun).
The first phrase of Quran is our ulterior goal in life "b esm Allah alrahman alraheem" "With/In a condition 'That Is' totally complete". You are to be completed, simply said. The path towards that is not through the World but the roots should be in another world. The Body is just a trap and one must cut off from its instinctive drive. That is the major message of Quran. CUT OFF FROM ITS INSTINCTIVE DRIVE, symbolized by the word Satan in the Semitic languages.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Even for me it took years.. before becoming a "Kuffar" (The Unbeliever according to the religious).
I'm happy and glad that the true God had shown me the way to "kuffar", and I never felt insulted upon being labeled as such.By being a "Kuffar" I have lost all the bad traits that I once possessed..
Such as but not limited to Holier than thou attitude, hatred towards the "Kuffar", attachment to any religion,holy book, holy places, holy ritual etc..Respect @ Jafar, Man of Faith, I appreciate your candor and honesty,
others here who possess the qualities of disbelief need to acknowledge their status
as kuffar as you have, this will make discussions easier to grasp based on perspective
and not some false claim of seeker, searcher, using other words for salat or questions
intended stifle positivity thereby increasing negativity. Personally I have no
problems with dis-belief, non-believers are part of the balance of creation
and are absolutely necessary part of creation.@ Man of faith So you are involved in the abjad and huruf sciences (again not forum member) )
Do you take roots and inject vowels of your choice to make words to fit your opinion since
you do not fully agree with these sciences?P.S. I'm a believer not a sectarian
God bless
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@ Man of faith So you are involved in the abjad and huruf sciences (again not forum member)
Do you take roots and inject vowels of your choice to make words to fit your opinion since
you do not fully agree with these sciences?Arabic does not have any vowels but the sound is produced by the consonants. There are diacritics which modify the meaning and pronunciation a little such as alef. Even the alif "pause/hollow sound" does mean something though and this is "be", the state of being and modifies the preceding letter. In a word like it would modify the miim to say 'no'. With you also say 'ma' but the "no-ness" is complemented with a letter meaning you say "such have no character/feature" when you say (al-mowt). And we no al-mowt means lifelessness/being dead.
I do not inject any vowels anywhere that they "fit my opinion". The letters that are perceived as vowels are considered weak letters and must always be watched carefully since they regularly do not form part of the root, or at least it not the derivative base root. Amin is such word; its root is Miim-Nun-(Nun). The same is true with Amr ; its root is Miim-Ra-(Ra), and it means be determined or steadfast.
However as usual I know you are not really considering what I write and your question was a sarcastic response in some kind of rhetorical manner as usual. Your only agenda is finding a way to expose what you think is wrong.
May God bless you too
Amenuel -
Respect @ Jafar, Man of Faith, I appreciate your candor and honesty,
others here who possess the qualities of disbelief need to acknowledge their status
as kuffar as you have, this will make discussions easier to grasp based on perspective
and not some false claim of seeker, searcher, using other words for salat or questions
intended stifle positivity thereby increasing negativity. Personally I have no
problems with dis-belief, non-believers are part of the balance of creation
and are absolutely necessary part of creation.You have still not sufficiently specified what kind of disbelief it is that I have and why it would imply any negativity. "Using other words for salat", perchance it may be that I have been using an appropriate original word that goes with what the Author liked to convey when the scripture was compiled and your word which is not "other words" is the falsification.
You take an immense pride in something without a flinch that might be wrong. I would be wary of such perception because it tends to lead a person towards becoming a herded sheep.
I disbelieve in your faith induced by ancient sectarians, but that does not make me a kuffar since for that word to be true then you have to be deluded which I am not. And I do not know that I have ever called you a sectarian, only that you adhere to something created by sectarians. I am usually too polite too call someone a sectarian straight out in person and I still never do it in general in order to curse people but for enlightenment.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in God because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. If you disbelieve in God that means you say "I do not think God exists", then you disbelieve in God.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in Quran because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. I do acknowledge Quran.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in Salat because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. I do acknowledge Salat, but in the intended way of interpretation.
Apart from that "disbeliever" does not really exist in Quran or at least not where you argue and it is something that your friends the sectarians have invented. Belief is seen negatively by the real interpretation of Quran and the real word is "to acknowledge", but such things you cannot know because you do not listen to what I am teaching.
/Amenuel
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Respect @ Jafar, Man of Faith, I appreciate your candor and honesty,
others here who possess the qualities of disbelief need to acknowledge their status
as kuffar as you have, this will make discussions easier to grasp based on perspective
and not some false claim of seeker, searcher, using other words for salat or questions
intended stifle positivity thereby increasing negativity. Personally I have no
problems with dis-belief, non-believers are part of the balance of creation
and are absolutely necessary part of creation.Yes I'm a Kuffar as in an Unbeliever of YOUR BELIEF.
Dissenting of opinon/belief/assumption is a normality.. no problem with that..But not a Kuffar as in "Those who has something to hide".
The main characteristic of a Kuffar (Those who has something to hide) was best described by Razi..
"If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.?Back to the main question.. which you haven't answered.. or you actually have no answer?
How can we wage war against Allah? -
Yes I'm a Kuffar as in an Unbeliever of YOUR BELIEF.
Dissenting of opinon/belief/assumption is a normality.. no problem with that..Agreed
Back to the main question.. which you haven't answered.. or you actually have no answer?
How can we wage war against Allah?Not really interested in "How can we wage war against Allah?"
@ Man of faith I was asking why you do not fully agree with these sciences?
peace
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Hawk99,
@ Man of faith I was asking why you do not fully agree with these sciences?
Because they are out bicycling (Swedish saying). When I said I do not agree I mean I do not agree with the mainstream science, of course I would agree with the real abjad and hurufi.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Not really interested in "How can we wage war against Allah?"
The reason why I am very interested is that because my current hypothesis say waging war against Allah is IMPOSSIBLE.
Yet I'm open for another idea which could make me change my current hypothesis / belief.
Unless the understanding of the word "Allah" here mean different thing, and not the All Powerful, All Controlling,Due to it's impossibility, the next question will be Why bother mentioning it in the first place?
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Hawk99,
Because they are out bicycling (Swedish saying). When I said I do not agree I mean I do not agree with the mainstream science, of course I would agree with the real abjad and hurufi.
Be safe
AmenuelHow is the real abjad and hurufi different from the mainstream, and what do you mean
" out bicycling"?Waging war against the Truth = waging war against ALLH.
Waging war against purity/innocence == waging war against ALLH.
Waging war against ALLH's messenger/envoy === waging war against ALLH.... need i say more ?!
Too easy
God bless
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" out bicycling"?
It means that someone is deluded or deluding themselves into believing something is true.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Jafar,
The entire notion of "Human Like God" in semitic culture is confusing for me..
Thus I humbly asked this question to this forum
"How can we wage a war against Allah / God"?Some reference of God / YHVH / Allah waging a war against "His enemies".
?Completely destroy all the people the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as YHVH commanded you to do.?
-- DEUTERONOMY 2017"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land."
-- Quran 533God taking "side" and actively involved in human politics and conflicts, thus the concept of God having (human) enemies or allies is definitely in violation against another defined concept about God itself. Which is The all powerful and everything that happened is in accordance to His will and plan.
"No calamity occurs on earth, or to yourselves, but is in a decree before We created it. That is easy for God"
-- Quran 5722IF the All Powerful God really DOES have an enemy, then the war will be over in 0 second.
As such it's logically impossible for him to have an 'enemy', especially 'human enemy', a party who do things which is not in accordance to His decree or Will. Or in other words something which do things beyond His control.This topic is relevant to the current affair due to the prominent rise of "religious maniacs" who think that they're "protecting God's interest" by waging war against "political enemies of God".
My initial question hasn't been answered yet the discussion branches out to another (related) topic, which also interesting, as pointed out by kamenriderkiki )
His question is valid Why Allah would ask 20% commission fee on war profit?
It's as if saying "Hey it's my war, I should have at least 20% stake of profit from it.."Nonetheless..
The "20% stake" might be relevant 1400 years ago.. but it is not relevant now.
Because NOW.. war is a "Loss making" enterprises..It's costly and due to massive destruction capability of modern armament, there will not be any "profit" because many of the "spoil of war" is destroyed anyway after the war. Instead of "gaining" the winning party shall bear the responsibility of doing the "rebuilding" of the destroyed assets, which incur additional cost.
Back to the "Gimme 20%" verses
There is GREAT possibility that some verses were actually an "injected" verses during the book compilation. ON this verse it seems it was written to justify 20% poll tax on war booty / plunder of war.Just found this old thread of yours.
The "human-like god" is easily explained by the Sumerian clay tablet cuneiform inscription material.
It appears that there was initially true channeling of the truth to various messengers from the bloodline of the genetically manipulated human race in the middle eastern and African areas, from positive higher dimensional beings (the true Yahweh) in service to the infinite Creator, about oneness of the infinite Creator, learning and implementing lessons of love and wisdom and service to others (doing good deeds). Then apparently some negative higher dimensional beings (the false Yahweh - most likely Enlil of the Annunaki/Saami who was an advanced extra terrestrial with advanced abilities and technology) pretended to be the true Yahweh, and channeled messages of truth mixed with falsehood to deceive humans into walking the service to self path based on fear, control and manipulation, establishing hierarchical structure and violating the law of free will. This explains all the conflicting messages and discrepancies and attribution of things to the infinite Creator that make no sense.
In all those troubling passages, instead of God put Enlil of Annunaki/Saami, and suddenly it will make sense. Enlil was full of anger, wrath, revenge, and was patriarchal and misogynist, and had enemies who waged a war against him (the feud in the high council - 3869). He wanted humans to worship him as the true god, and he wanted to inflict severe punishment upon whoever did not worship him, while he has been ruling them on Earth from hundreds of thousands of years ago (higher dimensional beings have long life spans). His descendants are still ruling us and are responsible for all the atrocities being committed on Earth
All of this has archeological evidence, and the latest positive channelings of the truth by higher dimensional beings in service to the infinite Creator also confirm it.
Hope that answers your questions.
Peace