How Can We Wage War Against Allah?
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Respect @ Jafar, Man of Faith, I appreciate your candor and honesty,
others here who possess the qualities of disbelief need to acknowledge their status
as kuffar as you have, this will make discussions easier to grasp based on perspective
and not some false claim of seeker, searcher, using other words for salat or questions
intended stifle positivity thereby increasing negativity. Personally I have no
problems with dis-belief, non-believers are part of the balance of creation
and are absolutely necessary part of creation.You have still not sufficiently specified what kind of disbelief it is that I have and why it would imply any negativity. "Using other words for salat", perchance it may be that I have been using an appropriate original word that goes with what the Author liked to convey when the scripture was compiled and your word which is not "other words" is the falsification.
You take an immense pride in something without a flinch that might be wrong. I would be wary of such perception because it tends to lead a person towards becoming a herded sheep.
I disbelieve in your faith induced by ancient sectarians, but that does not make me a kuffar since for that word to be true then you have to be deluded which I am not. And I do not know that I have ever called you a sectarian, only that you adhere to something created by sectarians. I am usually too polite too call someone a sectarian straight out in person and I still never do it in general in order to curse people but for enlightenment.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in God because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. If you disbelieve in God that means you say "I do not think God exists", then you disbelieve in God.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in Quran because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. I do acknowledge Quran.
You cannot say that I disbelieve in Salat because that would be dishonesty from your part because I am the person to answer that question. I do acknowledge Salat, but in the intended way of interpretation.
Apart from that "disbeliever" does not really exist in Quran or at least not where you argue and it is something that your friends the sectarians have invented. Belief is seen negatively by the real interpretation of Quran and the real word is "to acknowledge", but such things you cannot know because you do not listen to what I am teaching.
/Amenuel
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Respect @ Jafar, Man of Faith, I appreciate your candor and honesty,
others here who possess the qualities of disbelief need to acknowledge their status
as kuffar as you have, this will make discussions easier to grasp based on perspective
and not some false claim of seeker, searcher, using other words for salat or questions
intended stifle positivity thereby increasing negativity. Personally I have no
problems with dis-belief, non-believers are part of the balance of creation
and are absolutely necessary part of creation.Yes I'm a Kuffar as in an Unbeliever of YOUR BELIEF.
Dissenting of opinon/belief/assumption is a normality.. no problem with that..But not a Kuffar as in "Those who has something to hide".
The main characteristic of a Kuffar (Those who has something to hide) was best described by Razi..
"If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.?Back to the main question.. which you haven't answered.. or you actually have no answer?
How can we wage war against Allah? -
Yes I'm a Kuffar as in an Unbeliever of YOUR BELIEF.
Dissenting of opinon/belief/assumption is a normality.. no problem with that..Agreed
Back to the main question.. which you haven't answered.. or you actually have no answer?
How can we wage war against Allah?Not really interested in "How can we wage war against Allah?"
@ Man of faith I was asking why you do not fully agree with these sciences?
peace
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Hawk99,
@ Man of faith I was asking why you do not fully agree with these sciences?
Because they are out bicycling (Swedish saying). When I said I do not agree I mean I do not agree with the mainstream science, of course I would agree with the real abjad and hurufi.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Not really interested in "How can we wage war against Allah?"
The reason why I am very interested is that because my current hypothesis say waging war against Allah is IMPOSSIBLE.
Yet I'm open for another idea which could make me change my current hypothesis / belief.
Unless the understanding of the word "Allah" here mean different thing, and not the All Powerful, All Controlling,Due to it's impossibility, the next question will be Why bother mentioning it in the first place?
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Hawk99,
Because they are out bicycling (Swedish saying). When I said I do not agree I mean I do not agree with the mainstream science, of course I would agree with the real abjad and hurufi.
Be safe
AmenuelHow is the real abjad and hurufi different from the mainstream, and what do you mean
" out bicycling"?Waging war against the Truth = waging war against ALLH.
Waging war against purity/innocence == waging war against ALLH.
Waging war against ALLH's messenger/envoy === waging war against ALLH.... need i say more ?!
Too easy
God bless
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" out bicycling"?
It means that someone is deluded or deluding themselves into believing something is true.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Jafar,
The entire notion of "Human Like God" in semitic culture is confusing for me..
Thus I humbly asked this question to this forum
"How can we wage a war against Allah / God"?Some reference of God / YHVH / Allah waging a war against "His enemies".
?Completely destroy all the people the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as YHVH commanded you to do.?
-- DEUTERONOMY 2017"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land."
-- Quran 533God taking "side" and actively involved in human politics and conflicts, thus the concept of God having (human) enemies or allies is definitely in violation against another defined concept about God itself. Which is The all powerful and everything that happened is in accordance to His will and plan.
"No calamity occurs on earth, or to yourselves, but is in a decree before We created it. That is easy for God"
-- Quran 5722IF the All Powerful God really DOES have an enemy, then the war will be over in 0 second.
As such it's logically impossible for him to have an 'enemy', especially 'human enemy', a party who do things which is not in accordance to His decree or Will. Or in other words something which do things beyond His control.This topic is relevant to the current affair due to the prominent rise of "religious maniacs" who think that they're "protecting God's interest" by waging war against "political enemies of God".
My initial question hasn't been answered yet the discussion branches out to another (related) topic, which also interesting, as pointed out by kamenriderkiki )
His question is valid Why Allah would ask 20% commission fee on war profit?
It's as if saying "Hey it's my war, I should have at least 20% stake of profit from it.."Nonetheless..
The "20% stake" might be relevant 1400 years ago.. but it is not relevant now.
Because NOW.. war is a "Loss making" enterprises..It's costly and due to massive destruction capability of modern armament, there will not be any "profit" because many of the "spoil of war" is destroyed anyway after the war. Instead of "gaining" the winning party shall bear the responsibility of doing the "rebuilding" of the destroyed assets, which incur additional cost.
Back to the "Gimme 20%" verses
There is GREAT possibility that some verses were actually an "injected" verses during the book compilation. ON this verse it seems it was written to justify 20% poll tax on war booty / plunder of war.Just found this old thread of yours.
The "human-like god" is easily explained by the Sumerian clay tablet cuneiform inscription material.
It appears that there was initially true channeling of the truth to various messengers from the bloodline of the genetically manipulated human race in the middle eastern and African areas, from positive higher dimensional beings (the true Yahweh) in service to the infinite Creator, about oneness of the infinite Creator, learning and implementing lessons of love and wisdom and service to others (doing good deeds). Then apparently some negative higher dimensional beings (the false Yahweh - most likely Enlil of the Annunaki/Saami who was an advanced extra terrestrial with advanced abilities and technology) pretended to be the true Yahweh, and channeled messages of truth mixed with falsehood to deceive humans into walking the service to self path based on fear, control and manipulation, establishing hierarchical structure and violating the law of free will. This explains all the conflicting messages and discrepancies and attribution of things to the infinite Creator that make no sense.
In all those troubling passages, instead of God put Enlil of Annunaki/Saami, and suddenly it will make sense. Enlil was full of anger, wrath, revenge, and was patriarchal and misogynist, and had enemies who waged a war against him (the feud in the high council - 3869). He wanted humans to worship him as the true god, and he wanted to inflict severe punishment upon whoever did not worship him, while he has been ruling them on Earth from hundreds of thousands of years ago (higher dimensional beings have long life spans). His descendants are still ruling us and are responsible for all the atrocities being committed on Earth
All of this has archeological evidence, and the latest positive channelings of the truth by higher dimensional beings in service to the infinite Creator also confirm it.
Hope that answers your questions.
Peace
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Peace Jafar,
Just found this old thread of yours.
The "human-like god" is easily explained by the Sumerian clay tablet cuneiform inscription material.
It appears that there was initially true channeling of the truth to various messengers from the bloodline of the genetically manipulated human race in the middle eastern and African areas, from positive higher dimensional beings (the true Yahweh) in service to the infinite Creator, about oneness of the infinite Creator, learning and implementing lessons of love and wisdom and service to others (doing good deeds). Then apparently some negative higher dimensional beings (the false Yahweh - most likely Enlil of the Annunaki/Saami who was an advanced extra terrestrial with advanced abilities and technology) pretended to be the true Yahweh, and channeled messages of truth mixed with falsehood to deceive humans into walking the service to self path based on fear, control and manipulation, establishing hierarchical structure and violating the law of free will. This explains all the conflicting messages and discrepancies and attribution of things to the infinite Creator that make no sense.
In all those troubling passages, instead of God put Enlil of Annunaki/Saami, and suddenly it will make sense. Enlil was full of anger, wrath, revenge, and was patriarchal and misogynist, and had enemies who waged a war against him (the feud in the high council - 3869). He wanted humans to worship him as the true god, and he wanted to inflict severe punishment upon whoever did not worship him, while he has been ruling them on Earth from hundreds of thousands of years ago (higher dimensional beings have long life spans). His descendants are still ruling us and are responsible for all the atrocities being committed on Earth
All of this has archeological evidence, and the latest positive channelings of the truth by higher dimensional beings in service to the infinite Creator also confirm it.
Hope that answers your questions.
Peace
So it seems "Aliens" have involved in earth politics too ???
So the enemy of God or Gods in this case are the enemy of the "Aliens"?No matter how implausible it sounds.. (Aliens meddling on Earth), it seems more plausible compared to The True / Infinite Creator has any enemy or enemies...
Historical / cultural wise, the Indo-European word of "Devo" / "Deva" (Which latter evolved to be Divine / Divinity) literally means "Shining" / "Shining Being". It said "Shining beings" came down from the sky and teaches men many things. Thus they attributed every natural power to respective "Shining being" and the "Shining being" itself are being worshiped in a temple..
The theory of "Alien" coming to earth, teaches people on earth, wrote books and being worshiped by ancient people is plausible... As Human themselves might do the same thing once they've mastered inter stellar, inter galactical or inter dimensional travel..
But those "Aliens" are not my God.. ..
They have their own limitation, they cannot control everything, they have their own agenda /objectives thus it's logical that they also have enemies on earth and wage war to beat down their enemies. -
Thanks for the enlightening and intriguing reading, Jafar. The "Shining Beings" are what is called angels in common mouth. But they do not descend from anywhere but eyes play tricks on people. It is the energy of their presence which causes a typical phenomenon of light. It is because they have no physical attachment to the world but seem to us like an anomaly in the spatial environment.
God is everything, like "mono-pantheism". Each "Elevated Being is also an elevated "Who Is" of God, i.e. like a share. This way they can participate each one in managing the world and determine its fate. One needs to think from a perfectly monotheistic viewpoint without taint in order to understand.
And both you and me can become those of who I was writing, if we put our minds to it.
Be well
Amenuel