Rescue Plan of Allah the Exalted to thwart execution conspiracy against Easa alh
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Salam,
I've spent hours thinking about the possible (or not) return of Issa mentioned in the Quran.Your article is interesting and basically shows that pronouns might be refering to something else than Issa.
The same thing occurs in S43V61, everybody thinks "innahou" refers to Issa and i used to for many months because i'm not so good at arabic yet (can read and understand the basics). But when i saw that "innahou" can refer to "events" or "facts" i changed my mind.
For example, in S4V22 Allah says not to marry the women our fathers married and he adds "innahou kana fahichatan".
So innahou refers to the fact of marrying such women.Now, i think that the "innahou" from S43V61 refers to S43V60 when Allah speaks about angels becoming successors.
Do you agree with that?About S4V157 to V159, i have two questions
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According to you, why can't the "bihi" in V159 refer to Allah? The preceding masculine noun is Allah, if i use the same logic as the precedent exemple (S43V61) i wouldn't think that "bihi" refers to Issa or the fact that Issa was killed or not by the jews.
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Since i'm not yet an arabic expert, tell me if this could be correct
"And among the people of the book, there is only the one who will believe/trust in him (Allah) before his own death and on the day of Qiyama he (the one that belives/trusts before his death) will be a witness agaisnt them (the people of the book)"
Again same logic, the preceding masculine person is that one from the people of the book, that's why i think "yakoun" refers to him and not to Issa who is mentioned in the previous verse.
I may have done basic arabic mistakes, so please correct me if i did )
Thanks
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Now, i think that the "innahou" from S43V61 refers to S43V60 when Allah speaks about angels becoming successors.
Do you agree with that?Peace -- no simply use cross-reference...
7187 questioned they you about the hour when arrival its say only knowledge its near lord mine not can reveal it of time its except he ...
3363 ask you the humankind about the hour say only knowledge its near the god and what will make you know perhaps the hour being near of
Therefore...
4360 and in case we will surely made we from among you angels in the earth succeeding
4361 wa-innahu surely knowledge of the hour so not doubtful in it and follow ye me this path straight
4362 and not avert you the devil surely he for you enemy clear -
Now, i think that the "innahou" from S43V61 refers to S43V60 when Allah speaks about angels becoming successors.
Do you agree with that?Who is the speaker of this sentence? The Messenger---it is evident by this imperative verb
Cross check it with 7187
Please also see 3134 for anphor resolution
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About S4V157 to V159, i have two questions
- According to you, why can't the "bihi" in V159 refer to Allah? The preceding masculine noun is Allah, if i use the same logic as the precedent exemple (S43V61) i wouldn't think that "bihi" refers to Issa or the fact that Issa was killed or not by the jews.
They already believe in God during their life span.
Kindly read last lines
The question is whether it can be considered as referent for Easa alai'his'slaam or for Allah the Exalted as was opined by earlier scholars? Prepositional phrases functioning adverbially modify and elaborate the verb.
The main subject of discourse is not about believing or disbelieving in Easa alai'his'slaam by the people of Book. The issue under discussion is whether or not he was executed and crucified. Both the opinions of beheading him and crucifying him are negated. Thereby, there is no logic to relate the object pronoun with him. This pronoun has already twice been used in this sentence;
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Salam
Mazhar
I think you're right about S43V61, moreover there is V64 which almost the sale structure and ends in the same way "This is a right path". For this one there is no doubt that this is Issa speaking.
They already believe in God during their life span.
Kindly read last lines
The question is whether it can be considered as referent for Easa alai'his'slaam or for Allah the Exalted as was opined by earlier scholars? Prepositional phrases functioning adverbially modify and elaborate the verb.
The main subject of discourse is not about believing or disbelieving in Easa alai'his'slaam by the people of Book. The issue under discussion is whether or not he was executed and crucified. Both the opinions of beheading him and crucifying him are negated. Thereby, there is no logic to relate the object pronoun with him. This pronoun has already twice been used in this sentence;
I read what you wrote but i disagree with that. Allah says he will purify Issa from "allathina kafarou", so you can't say that they "believed" in god (i know the word isn't the right one).
What kind of believe would like to kill a messenger? I agree with you that the subject discussed here is whether Issa was killed by "the jews" or not, but we've to ask ourselves why did they wanted to kill that man?That why i'm forced to bring the "sister of Harun" subject and the fact that maybe Issa lived at the time of Moses, i'll be brief and I'll list why i think so
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"O sister of harun", correct me if i'm wrong but i've never seen the word "sister" in the way the sunni/chia claim it is used here (ie sister in religion). The word "father" can be of course.
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S3V33 Lo! Allah prefered Adam and Noa and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above creatures (Pickthal translation)
Look at this, if Maryam is the sister of Harun and Moussa, the family includes Imran, his wife, Moussa, Harun, Maryam and Issa. If Maryam isn't Harun's biological sister, then this family doesn't include Moussa and Harun which is a problem because Allah says that he spoke to Moussa directly therefore how come he wouldn't be in the list? -
Issa and Yahia form a pair in the Quran, i don't think it is useful to bring the verses, you all know about the "peace on me the day i was born, the day i'll die and the day i'll be resurected". Of course this can apply to many messengers, but the Quran says so about these 2 only.
In my opinion Issa and Yahia are the 2 out of 12 that were "blessed by Allah" and mentioned in S5V23, the Quran validates the bible story. -
The bible story speaks about a Joshua and a Caleb among the 12 sent by Moussa (https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua). Joshua is the son of Nun, it's seems he is the only refered as son of a women. He conquered the land that Moussa couldn't! I mean, isn't that why you expect from a Messiah? Even the meaning of his name is special.
I reapeat that I mentioned the bible because I think the Quran validates the story of Moussa sending spies and that it is not Moussa who conquered the land for bani israel.
I didn't mean to be off topic, for me this is very important because if Issa lived after Moussa and did his job he can't be the man who lived 2000 years ago who did not what is expected from a Messiah.
If this man is not Issa, then we can interpret this passage of the Quran (S4V157toV159) in a different wayAllah could be saying that this man you killed (2000 years ago) wasn't the REAL Issa, it appeared so to you (chubiha lahum) And that would explain why he says most people have no knowledge about this.
Last point, whether you agree with me or not about Joshua being Issa, i want to speak about the last part of V159
"And on the day of jugement, he'll be a witness against them"How do you understand this part? The problem i had is that if your interpretation is correct, Issa is not a direct witness of these people. Usually the Quran speaks about messengers being witnesses to the people.
But maybe it just means he will say "i bear witness that you didn't kill me".Salam
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I read what you wrote but i disagree with that. Allah says he will purify Issa from "allathina kafarou",
It is one group that refused to believe in him-Al-Maseiha, Easa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah.
They believed in Allah the Exalted at that point in time and so presently.
It is explained in
Background of the episode?Split in the nation comprising of the posterity- the sons of Iesraa'eel.
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That why i'm forced to bring the "sister of Harun" subject and the fact that maybe Issa lived at the time of Moses, i'll be brief and I'll list why i think so
- "O sister of harun", correct me if i'm wrong but i've never seen the word "sister" in the way the sunni/chia claim it is used here (ie sister in religion). The word "father" can be of course.
He was the last Messenger towards sons of Iesraa'eel. To know the time gap between him and Musa alahissalam pl consult 287
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Last point, whether you agree with me or not about Joshua being Issa, i want to speak about the last part of V159
"And on the day of jugement, he'll be a witness against them"The exalted Messengers will act as Prosecution Witness upon their respective nations.
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I didn't mean to be off topic, for me this is very important because if Issa lived after Moussa and did his job he can't be the man who lived 2000 years ago who did not what is expected from a Messiah.
If this man is not Issa, then we can interpret this passage of the Quran (S4V157toV159) in a different wayAllah could be saying that this man you killed (2000 years ago) wasn't the REAL Issa, it appeared so to you (chubiha lahum) And that would explain why he says most people have no knowledge about this.
Salam Bro
I agree with you. This is the correct intrepretation of the verse. However majority of the Muslim believe in what the Christians says.
Salam
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He was the last Messenger towards sons of Iesraa'eel. To know the time gap between him and Musa alahissalam pl consult 287
I dont think so,
QS4V163 - I, We have revealed to you, as We revealed to Noah and the Prophets after him, that is, we inspired to Abraham and Ishmael, and Ishaq and Yaqub and the Tribes AND Esa and Aiyub and Yunus AND Harun and and Sulaiman, and We gave Davud a Portion of the Book.
The prophets highlighted in Green are from the family of Abraham, while the Prophets highlighted in blue and purple are from the family of Amran.
We all know that Harun was the brother of Musa, as such, we should be able to comprehend that he lived much earlier than than Esa. And also from the verse highlighted in purple, Harun was mentioned first, showing that he was the father of Davud and grandfather of Sulaiman. respectively although Sulaiman was mentioned first before Davud.
From the verse highlighted in blue, Esa was mentioned first, as such, he was the forefather of Aiyub and Yunus! From this verse we would be able to see that the mother of Esa, Maryam, was the sister of both Musa and Harun. It is plausible that Maryam was the brother of Harun and half brother of Musa, considering the fact that she was called "Sister of Harun".
Peace
