Verse 2.106 is regarding the abrogation of scriptures
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Peace parvez.
You say, quote
Please make it clear the only mistake of Jews in Israel is that they want to follow Talmud and Talmud betrayed them !Similarly the "traditional Muslims" are following "Ahadith" that will betray them even worse.
There is no abrogation of GOD s words!!!
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/abrogation-a-big-lie/GOD bless you .
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Peace parvez.
You say, quote
Please make it clear the only mistake of Jews in Israel is that they want to follow Talmud and Talmud betrayed them !Seems you did not read the articles i mentioned in the links
http//www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-divorce-problems-20130726-story.html
http//forward.com/articles/140780/strict-divorce-rules-leave-women-chained-to-husban/
http//www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/03/01/389873594/in-israel-jewish-divorce-is-only-granted-by-husbands-permission
this are the live problems of Jews when they want to follow their scriptureSimilarly the "traditional Muslims" are following "Ahadith" that will betray them even worse.
yes . because they are very stubborn in their attitude towards ahadith .they very well aware that ahadith are not divine and they were very susceptible to adulteration
BTW i see the same attitude here among the quranist .they are very well aware that they can cornered very easily .yet they are stubborn .
this is same alloverThere is no abrogation of GOD s words!!!
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/abrogation-a-big-lie/GOD bless you .
Peace.i don't know why you did not explained about the abrogation of ayah with in the Quran
Is it there or not
I am talking about the verse in the quran -
The word is ayatin which does not only mean verse it means also Sign.
God has sent His final revelation and has vowed to protect it and guard it.
Which means this is referring to the Books as a whole as a sign, which you will find in the Quran if you read carefully.
The Quran is a sign equivalent to the one before it or even greater.Peace
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Peace parvez.
I do not know what you mean when you say,quote
BTW i see the same attitude here among the quranist .they are very well aware that they can cornered very easily .yet they are stubborn .this is same alloverFor me the matter is straight forward, either you believe GOD or you don t
Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Qoran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
We did not leave anything out of this book.
We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
This Qoran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
Qoranist has nothing to do with the fact that GOD wants us to use Qoran as the only source of our redemption.Do you believe GOD ?
Then why do you seek other source/s?
Well ,it is your choice.
GOD bless you.
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The word is ayatin which does not only mean verse it means also Sign.
God has sent His final revelation and has vowed to protect it and guard it.
Which means this is referring to the Books as a whole as a sign, which you will find in the Quran if you read carefully.
The Quran is a sign equivalent to the one before it or even greater.Peace
These things were/are obvious .for example ,GL in his article has written
As an example, we are told in 2187 that sexual intercourse between married couples during the nights of the fasting month was made lawful, while it was prohibited previously.
We are also told in 6146 that God prohibited for the Jews all animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep the fat was prohibited. These were made lawful in the Qoran.
So as ibn khatir
Ali bin Abu Talhah related that IbnAbbas narrated The first abrogated part in the Qur'an was about the Qiblah. When Allah's Messenger migrated to Al-Madinah, the majority of its people were Jews, and Allah commanded him to face Bayt Al-Maqdis. The Jews were delighted then. Allah's Messenger faced it for ten and some months, but he liked to face the Qiblah of Ibrahim (Ka`bah in Makkah). He used to supplicate to Allah and look up to the sky (awaiting Allah's command). Allah then revealedEven i have talked about this in this article
I (Ibn Kathir) say that the Jews' dismissal of the occurrence of the Naskh is only a case of their disbelief and rebellion. The sound mind does not deny that there could be a Naskh in Allah's commandments, for He decides what He wills, just as He does what He wills. Further, Naskh occurred in previous Books and Law. For instance, Allah allowed Adam to marry his daughters to his sons and then later forbade this practice. Allah also allowed Nuh to eat from all kinds of animals after they left the ark, then prohibited eating some types of foods. Further, marrying two sisters to one man was allowed for Israel and his children, but Allah prohibited this practice later in the Torah. Allah commanded Abraham to slaughter his son, then repealed that command before it was implemented. Also, Allah commanded the Children of Israel to kill those who worshipped the calf and then repealed that command, so that the Children of Israel were not all exterminated. There are many other instances that the Jews admit have occurred, yet they ignore them. Also, it is a well-known fact that their Books foretold about Muhammad and contained the command to follow him. These texts, in their Books, indicate that the Jews were required to follow the Prophet Muhammad and that no good deed would be accepted from them, unless it conformed to Muhammad's Law. The Prophet brought another Book, - the Qur'an -, which is the last revelation from Allah.
I took law of divorce as an example for this
NO issues what so ever!
But...
The problem is regarding this ayahs
For example
Verse 2.228
Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.and the verse 65.4( after a long time i am taking this verse)
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.of course ,this might not be an abrogation because we can follow both the rulings ...no harm
But
what about this verses
verse 2.219
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess ." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses that you might give thought.Verse 4.43
O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through , until you have washed . And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands . Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.Verse 5.90
O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, stone alters , and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.How can all these be applicable
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Peace parvez.
I do not know what you mean when you say,quote
BTW i see the same attitude here among the quranist .they are very well aware that they can cornered very easily .yet they are stubborn .this is same alloverFor me the matter is straight forward, either you believe GOD or you don t
Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Qoran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
We did not leave anything out of this book.
We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
This Qoran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
Qoranist has nothing to do with the fact that GOD wants us to use Qoran as the only source of our redemption.Do you believe GOD ?
Then why do you seek other source/s?
Well ,it is your choice.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Who is denying this GL
But what about the its application
I am asking about
Verse 16.44with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.
Further ..can you tell me who was Ziad
lot of things.....we should follow Tawattur otherwise we are among the losers
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Peace parvez.
16;44 does not mean follow other source/s!!! It just means the words of GOD that the messenger speaks i.e Qoran will make things clear.
What we need to know is in Qoran, if something is not in Qoran it is irrelevant, not necessary for salvation ,full stop!
You follow your "tawattur" if you wish. I only follow the words of GOD.
It is so simple brother, do not complicate the deen.
GOD bless you.
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Peace parvez.
.......What we need to know is in Qoran, if something is not in Qoran it is irrelevant, not necessary for salvation ,full stop!
You follow your "tawattur" if you wish. I only follow the words of GOD.
It is so simple brother, do not complicate the deen.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Are you pointing towards
Surah 109 Aya 6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." -
Are you pointing towards
Surah 109 Aya 6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."Q0204 - And who believe in what has been revealed TO YOU, and what was revealed BEFORE YOU, and of the Hereafter they are certain
DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT IMPLIES A BOOK WAS REVEALED AFTER THE PROPHET AND THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW
Q0544 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the disbelievers.
Q0545 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Q0547 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
The above three verses explicitly described of those who put the Quran behind them.
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Q0204 - And who believe in what has been revealed TO YOU, and what was revealed BEFORE YOU, and of the Hereafter they are certain
DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT IMPLIES A BOOK WAS REVEALED AFTER THE PROPHET AND THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW
Q0544 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the disbelievers.
Q0545 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Q0547 - .....And whoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed ? then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
The above three verses explicitly described of those who put the Quran behind them.
Ok .I will explain you with a example we are familiar about
For example take your salah
as per you ,the salah pattern is as follows- make wadu ....i dont know what is your wadu ...since i dont your way of wadu ,i simply say wadu
2.face the qibla ....i hope you dont have any dispute in this
Standing
3.praise the lord .....how ...ok . i will help you in this ....just say praise the lord ,praise the lord,praise the lord...oops ..i am sorry this things belongs to Christians ....since this is Muslim prayer one should be saying ....praise the ALLAH(how),praise the ALLAH(how)...or is that one should read the quran that which he knew ...ok i will take it as granted ..one should read Quran
...ok 1st step is over
now the second step
4.Ruku
4.what one should say in ruku .....same ...praise the lord ..oops ,again i am sorry ,praise the ALLAH(how ..) for few seconds and ruku is over ...now the next step
sujood
5.again the same problem ...what one should say in sujood ...of course the same ....praise the ALLAH(how...) for few seconds and ....
next ....wow wow the salah is over ...go home happily if you are in masjid or if you are in home go somewhere you like
This is your salah pattern which i think is mockery of traditional salah
So this your salah which i cannot take it as my worship ...wait a minute "worship" .. hmm ing .i remember something...that is
Verse Surah 109 Aya 2
I do not worship what you worship.since you will not consider my salah as your worship
Surah 109 Aya 3
Nor are you worshippers of what I worshipIn the end
Surah 109 Aya 6
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.hope you understand .we both are Muslims and we believe in the same book yet our outlook on Deen is different
I feel the the translation of progressive Muslims is more fitting to this situation
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine."So this verse is not talking about hadith but the quran as well as other scripture ) handshake peace
- make wadu ....i dont know what is your wadu ...since i dont your way of wadu ,i simply say wadu