Kafirs
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Hi,
Till now I have had only alternatives to my interpretation of kafirs.
Of course I appreciate every alternative and every alternative should be examined, I also gave for some my objections.
But I have had 0 objections why "evil/bad" is not accurate.
I really like to hear some objections so that I can adjust/correct my interpretation to something more accurate.Salaam,
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there's a verse in the quran that says they are equally unbelievers, the pagans, those who refuse faith preferring other than Abrahamic monotheism, I think a kafir is one who rejects faith. i'll believe in ALLAH but not the angels or i'll believe in the quran but none of the books before it. from context clues anyone who is not Abrahamic monotheist who reject the messege or signs of ALLAH even one or two of them.
did your read the verses that tell you who qualifies to be a kafir? with those context clues you can find out better maybe?Hi,
RED Yes of course, they are always doing something bad/evil.
That's why I think if they always do bad/evil and if they are always promised hell then they must be evil ones. And thus that the word kfr must carry in itself evilness. -
Kaafirs are those who cover themselves from the guidance of common god's/goodness message, one who denies that i do not want to hear anything, rejecting to take whats being said. Suppose we are given some advice we should atleast contemplate whats being said and then decide if its good or wrong but to completely reject hearing it is wrong.
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Peace Bender.
There are also those who pretend to believe ,but are not really believers? GOD does not call them "Kufar",they are called "Munafiqeen",they are "Fi alddaraki alasfali mina al Naar". i.e they are worse?
Do those who commit sins think that they can ever fool us? Wrong indeed is their judgment.
Do not argue on behalf of those who have wronged their own souls; God does not love any betrayer, guilty.
They hide from the people, and do not care to hide from God, though He is with them as they harbor ideas He dislikes. God is fully aware of everything they doMay be they pretend to believe ,then they do the following?
The only ones who fabricate false doctrines are those who do not believe in God's revelations; they are the real liars.
Does it ever occur to those who fabricate lies about God that they will have to face Him on the Day of Resurrection? Certainly, God showers the people with His grace, but most of them are unappreciative.
Note how they fabricate lies about God; what a gross offense this is!
Who are more evil than those who fabricate lies about God? They will be presented before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied about their Lord. God's condemnation has befallen the transgressors."
You shall not utter lies with your own tongues stating "This is lawful, and this is unlawful," to fabricate lies and attribute them to God. Surely, those who fabricate lies and attribute them to God will never succeed.
Those who conceal our revelations and guidance, after proclaiming them for the people in the scripture, are condemned by God; they are condemned by all the condemners
Those who conceal God's revelations in the scripture, in exchange for a cheap material gain, eat but fire into their bellies. God will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them. They have incurred a painful retributionHere is GOD s description of them " The Munafiqeen"
Then there are those who say, "We believe in God and the Last Day," while they are not believers.
In trying to deceive God and those who believe, they only deceive themselves without perceiving.
In their minds there is a disease. Consequently, God augments their disease. They have incurred a painful retribution for their lying.
God mocks them, and leads them on in their transgressions, blundering.
It is they who bought the straying, at the expense of guidance. Such trade never prospers, nor do they receive any guidance.
Under the guise of their apparent faith, they repel the people from the path of God. Miserable indeed is what they do.
This is because they believed, then disbelieved. Hence, their minds are blocked; they do not understandThen of course there are other kind, they could be "Kuffar or Munafiqeen"?
Woe to the cheaters.
Who demand full measure when receiving from the people.
But when giving them the measures or weights, they cheat.
"Do not cheat the people out of their rights, and do not roam the earth corruptinglyJust presenting another angle?
Such a abroad subject" KFR"?
GOD bless you.
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A Kafir is an atheist.
Many of the Kafir were actually THEIST.
How do we call the ones who murders and then publish the heads of the victims on social media.
He is not concealing anything, actually it more like he is proud of what he did and want to show the world what he is capable of.Definitely a murderer...
Psychopath might be another probability..Digging further.. what is his motives of murder? and publishing it on the social media?
An example of Kuffar performing publicized murder.. (with motives to conceal the truth).
A pair of cousins suddenly rise to rockstar celebrity status due to their public speaking and wonderful deeds that Wow the public audience. They speak topics from spirituality up to politics. Alas.. they tend to said negative things about the local religious establishment / organization, calling them liars, hypocrites and corrupt.
The religious establishment acted swiftly to 'resolve this threat'.. they beheaded one of them hang his head for public display to deliver a message "If you dare to speak ill about us / our opinion / our belief / our God / our Holy Book, then you will end up losing your head".
And certainly they also delivered a personalized message to the other cousin to stop saying the things that is not favorable for them or you shall face the same fate as your cousin.
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The murderer, he is not concealing anything, but he is covered (deluded).
Be safe Amenuel
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Unfortunately, the k-f-r root in the Qur'an hs been colonized by the re-rwting of the Qur'an as a sectarian book. Since almost all words in the Qur'an coming from it are so colonized we are denied the linguistic tool of comparing with words that would not hav undergone tht process.
Even so the word kaffar, for the labourer tht sows the seeds under the earth might still give a hint.
So the kuffar bury, conceal, make invisible the substantial things, by manns of putting between the beholder and the beheld a world of chimeras, mirages, false worlds or unsubstantial world that cut our way to the real thing. It is like magic, what does not exit is and what exists cannot be attained, is worth nothing. We must deny what we cannot grasp, even if we have ana intuition that it is there, but we feel ashamed of beilieving in those things that do not "exist". The kuffars are the creaator sof that world that sbustitutes for the real.
Salaam
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Who are the kuffr can be found in Quran Kareem.
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39/32 So who is more unjust than one who lies about Allah and denies the truth
when it has come to him? Is there not in Hell a residence for the disbelievers? -
2/32 And when We said to the angels Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance,
except Iblis . He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers. -
63/3 hypocrites That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved;
so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand. -
stubborn disbeliever,
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Muslims who reject the tenets of Islam like salat, fasting,
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People who don't like what the Quran says
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People who mock the deen or it's tenets ie., make fun of salat,
zakat, the holy shrine, reduce the length of the fast etc., -
Persistent criminals
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Those who refuse to listen
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People who make their own laws concerning Islam
peace
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No such thing as a theist kafir. Fact is it os not up to any of you to label anyone a kafir. I will say it again. Kafir is an atheist, simple.
agreed, it just seemed like there is more to it.
i considered the people who pick and choose beliefs out of a whole belief system, but they aren't really following any thing if not a whole thing.
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A denier (QA ر is simply one who denies (ر.
A denialist who lives in denial of Fact is, by definition, a liar who belies Truth.If one cannot figure out what is it s/he's denying, then s/he might as well burn his/her copy of the Qurn (& jump off the roof while at it), i suggest !
SLM
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No such thing as a theist kafir. Fact is it os not up to any of you to label anyone a kafir. I will say it again. Kafir is an atheist, simple.
Kafir is not an athiest. A kafir is someone who isn't part of the cult of Islam and disagrees to its dogma. A Goy is someone who isn't part of the dying cult of Judaism. If you do not fully accept the talmud and tora, you are goy. If you do not believe that Jesus is your lord and saviour, then you are an infidel. Goys, infidels and kuffar are condemned to eternity of torture in hell. The atheist is hated by all these religious cults. Atheism though is a cult too. A different side of the same coin.
I'm in no way a fan of atheism but when compared to religions like Islam, it makes it look very tolerant. You won't get chased around, beaten or lose your head for leaving atheism.
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Kafir is not an athiest. A kafir is someone who isn't part of the cult of Islam and disagrees to its dogma. A Goy is someone who isn't part of the dying cult of Judaism. If you do not fully accept the talmud and tora, you are goy. If you do not believe that Jesus is your lord and saviour, then you are an infidel. Goys, infidels and kuffar are condemned to eternity of torture in hell. The atheist is hated by all these religious cults. Atheism though is a cult too. A different side of the same coin.
I'm in no way a fan of atheism but when compared to religions like Islam, it makes it look very tolerant. You won't get chased around, beaten or lose your head for leaving atheism.
Yup that's how it works now..
Atheist = Kafir + Goy + Infidel at the same time..However, they're the least hated by all occultist..
The Sunnis hates the Shiites more than they hate the Atheist.
The Catholics hates the Protestant more than they hate the Atheist.
The Rabbanical Judaism hates the Liberal Judaism more than they hate the Atheist.And who does the Atheist hate?
Does the Atheist have specific label for the Theist?
Does the Atheist cursed the Theist to be sadistically tortured for all eternity? -
A Kafir is an atheist. I do not have to reference the quran u all have a copy. You sound like hadithers stuck in mob mentality. I will not reference a versee because there are so many. To the person who said a kaffir is anyone who is not a muslim you have clearly not read the quran and are just going by what hadithers say....
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A Kafir is an atheist. I do not have to reference the quran u all have a copy. You sound like hadithers stuck in mob mentality. I will not reference a versee because there are so many. To the person who said a kaffir is anyone who is not a muslim you have clearly not read the quran and are just going by what hadithers say....
Peace,
sun
Well said...there are many hadithers who claim to be Quranist here...
peace
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And who does the Atheist hate?
Does the Atheist have specific label for the Theist?
Does the Atheist cursed the Theist to be sadistically tortured for all eternity?Try asking Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, or Jeffrey L. Dahmer (the Atheist sentenced to 900 yrs in prison for Cannibalism and whatnot) ...