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    HP_TECH
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    Peace

    Who should the musllimina who have a chance to vote in this American Presidential election vote for?
    Who is the less evil choice?
    Should a muslimina vote Democrat or Republican?
    Bernie? Hillary? Kasick? Please no one say Trump... nope
    Should a muslimina vote for any of these corrupt/ lying/ sinful politicians at all?

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      I don't support any specific party.

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        hanslan
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        trump for president!

        cannot go worse than that. maybe its a blessing??

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          I don't support any specific party.

          Reel, I wholeheartedly respect that decision and concur.

          It sucks that there is no choice.
          It's like"Hey this is America, you have freedom speech, expression, religion and choice. You can choose whatever you like."
          Come voting time...
          "Now hurry up and pick dumb American, either red or blue!"
          How do we really have a choice if we are forced to pick between only two nominees and from only two parties. Bipartisanship cannot possibly represent the will of the people. I feel bipartisanship rather divides the people and sets up false identities and ideologies for people.
          I never even really understood the point of representative democracy.
          How can the few represent the interest of the masses properly?
          That s the point, they are not supposed to.
          We learn in middle school that the U.S. is a republic built on the ideals of a representative democracy, meaning the elected are only supposed to mirror at best the will of the people. This is because it was believed that the average people are not intelligent/passionated/educated enough to be involved in decision-making that will affect the entire population.

          I disagree I think there are some issue that require council of elected but overall I think the decision-making belongs to those who it will affect the most the masses.

          What we need is a direct democracy.

          I believe that even if you had to have a bipartisanship, we do not have to settle for only two nominees that is not a true choice. I think a president should not be elected unless at least 85% of the population has voted and unless the winner has a clear winning margin from the runner-up candidate of at least 5% of the vote, other than that, campaigns must reset. There should be no fundraising made permissible and the only soundbites should be controlled by an arbitrary neutral party which gives all candidates the same amount of time. Candidates should have clear plans and debates should be rated by audiences based on the responses to questions about policies which are selected by the population.

          Personally I do not identify with any of these candidates nor parties and I truly think that it makes no difference who is elected. Same game plan different puppets.

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            Reel, I wholeheartedly respect that decision and concur.

            It sucks that there is no choice.
            It's like"Hey this is America, you have freedom speech, expression, religion and choice. You can choose whatever you like."
            Come voting time...
            "Now hurry up and pick dumb American, either red or blue!"
            How do we really have a choice if we are forced to pick between only two nominees and from only two parties. Bipartisanship cannot possibly represent the will of the people. I feel bipartisanship rather divides the people and sets up false identities and ideologies for people.
            I never even really understood the point of representative democracy.
            How can the few represent the interest of the masses properly?
            That s the point, they are not supposed to.
            We learn in middle school that the U.S. is a republic built on the ideals of a representative democracy, meaning the elected are only supposed to mirror at best the will of the people. This is because it was believed that the average people are not intelligent/passionated/educated enough to be involved in decision-making that will affect the entire population.

            I believe that even if you had to have a bipartisanship, we do not have to settle for only two nominees that is not a true choice. I think a president should not be elected unless at least 85% of the population has voted and unless the winner has a clear winning margin from the runner-up candidate of at least 5% of the vote, other than that, campaigns must reset. There should be no fundraising made permissible and the only soundbites should be controlled by an arbitrary neutral party which gives all candidates the same amount of time. Candidates should have clear plans and debates should be rated by audiences based on the responses to questions about policies which are selected by the population.

            Personally I do not identify with any of these candidates nor parties and I truly think that it makes no difference who is elected. Same game plan different puppets.

            We have the same opinion I see. The problem is that election is expensive...very expensive for whoever wishes to run. Money comes from the corporate. Moreover, we pretty much have European elite ruling us. Whoever they think is right gets to be the president. And for candidates, its always the same guys with almost same profile. Obama is not some random American like the media showshttp//www.dailyyonder.com/presidency-obamas-genes/2008/08/20/1527/.

            Yet I do believe though lawyers make better president than others like Bush, Regan, etc.

            I disagree I think there are some issue that require council of elected but overall I think the decision-making belongs to those who it will affect the most the masses.

            What we need is a direct democracy.

            Our problem uneducated masses.
            Just as one of my professors once said education level starts to drop from CA inland and then it continues till the eastern US. Sadly I have to agree with him. It is not that the people intentionally wish to remain uneducated. Just think about it
            We don't have any international channels here except for BBC. Of course, you can order a package, but something European would cost you $44 per month.
            Our schools have similar problem. I studied in 4 diff schools. Things are pretty different in other parts of US. Here in California, teachers freely allow teens to decide whether they support Israel or Palestine by showing them the link between the Europeans and Native Indians. Students can safely take Palestine's side and criticize Israel. But in other parts of US, schools don't have that free thinking free speaking stuff. What is on tv is holy. Living in the middle America is similar to staying kidnapped. It is so isolated from the rest of the world.
            Our workplace worships slavery. Your hands and legs must work or you are laid off. So the 6 days of the week the focus is just work. Also working in the private is like fighting with paranoia of losing the job anytime.
            Then we have the hijacked media. Protests against the government occur all the time, but how many truly are shown on tv?

            How can we expect people who go through such things make good decisions? We can't even communicate with one another due to differences in our viewpoints (east versus west).

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              Depends on who benefits you the most as a citizen. American Muslims can vote for any politician they like. It's their country. Donald Trump is not really the worst politician ever, it is clearly European right-wingers like Geert Wilders. I find it hilarious when European right-wingers make fun of Donald Trump even though their ideology is either the same or ten times worse. And then you had Nethanjahu who criticised Donald Trump just to make himself look opposed to Trump so he could gain more support. Nethanjahu's regime is responsible for killing at least hundreds of civilians and practises full racism towards Palestinians. His 'criticism' is just for the show and he is no different than Trump and infact even worse. And Hillary Clinton is one stupid politician that will only ruin the US.

              But then again entire America is a joke when it comes to 'democracy'. For example you can't be pro-Palestine and become the president and most politics of the US is influenced by Zionist Jews and Christians who want to protect their Judeo-Christian 'traditions'. Any politician that is pro-Palestine is labeled as an anti-semite because to Zionists it is anti-semitic to support Palestine. Meanwhile Israel cooperates with European political parties that orginated from Fascism and Nazism.

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                You know I just realized that I will never vote, as long as this system is the same.
                Nationalism, Politics, are innovations instilled to divide and conquer. That is why we only have two parties.
                There is always someone at the top that controls all of them. Some are the Council of Foreign Relations, Buildaberg Group, Trilateral Commission and etcetera. They make global policies on which we never vote on!
                This is reality. It does not really matter who we vote for, they are all playing their part, they are all members of these groups.

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                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                  Among the mainstream candidates I'd say Donald Trump. If you have the option, I would go with the Libertarian Party, though. Bernie is a pro-war zionist communist. Hillary is a complete Goldman Sachs shill and wants war with Iran. Trump at least criticized the Iraq War and has certain good points. Another very important thing is that he stated that he wants to remain neutral in the Israel-Palestine conflict, a complete no-no for all the other mainstream candidates that suck up to the zionist lobbies.

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    You know I just realized that I will never vote, as long as this system is the same.

                    I never vote, but this time I might for Hillary. Not sure just yet.

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                      I never vote, but this time I might for Hillary. Not sure just yet.

                      Why would you vote for a psychopath that is completely owned by Goldman Sachs and Israel and has already stated she would go to war with Iran? Do you not know she is responsible for the murders and disaster in Benghazi?

                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                        I've never voted for presidential elections as that is pointless. My vote won't count.

                        I do local votes instead.

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                          Definitely..
                          Vote For TRUMP!!

                          Let's make America break again...

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                            Scary that people even consider voting for Donald Trump. There are bad alternatives but Trump is not an alternative. I think it is about choosing the lesser evil here.

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                              Why would you vote for a psychopath that is completely owned by Goldman Sachs and Israel and has already stated she would go to war with Iran? Do you not know she is responsible for the murders and disaster in Benghazi?

                              The plan to attack Iran was designed right after 9/11. It doesn't matter who comes to power. Wars will keep occurring. Unless a major protest takes place, their plan will remain in intact.

                              General Wesley Clark
                              Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

                              So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
                              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNr1aaDiNw

                              I am not sure whether I am gonna vote, but from previous experience I can tell that Republicans are a bigger threat to US and the world. These are extremists. What's scary is that they have become far more intolerant than before.

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                                The plan to attack Iran was designed right after 9/11. It doesn't matter who comes to power. Wars will keep occurring. Unless a major protest takes place, their plan will remain in intact.
                                https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNr1aaDiNw

                                I am not sure whether I am gonna vote, but from previous experience I can tell that Republicans are a bigger threat to US and the world. These are extremists. What's scary is that they have become far more intolerant than before.

                                Reel it is kind of interesting to me that you are aware of crisis actors and other NWO agendas yet, you still choose to vote. Do you have a particular reason for such?
                                I would presume that if you are aware of crisis actors, you are also aware of terror staged events, like 9/11 and by default the groups who call for and carry out these staged events/ false flags. So, in essence, why waste time voting for a puppet who will irrespective of their political affiliation, promises, demographic background and education just follow the plan of the elite, conspiracist groups they belong to, ya know?

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                                  Reel it is kind of interesting to me that you are aware of crisis actors and other NWO agendas yet, you still choose to vote. Do you have a particular reason for such?
                                  I would presume that if you are aware of crisis actors, you are also aware of terror staged events, like 9/11 and by default the groups who call for and carry out these staged events/ false flags. So, in essence, why waste time voting for a puppet who will irrespective of their political affiliation, promises, demographic background and education just follow the plan of the elite, conspiracist groups they belong to, ya know?

                                  Satisfaction for the heart that I tried to save the country rotfl

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                                    HP_TECH
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                                    rotfl

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                                      huruf
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                                      Yes, right, that little drop that may make the ocea to overflow. We all have that hope.

                                      Faith is said to move mountains, what about hope, can we move aything with it, apart from having some laughs?

                                      Salaam

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                                        Yahya_Yusuf
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                                        I am not American but what about Bernie Sanders?

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                                          "A black man shall become the U.S. President, and this President will be the last one because America will be broken divided into states."
                                          -- Baba Vanga's Prophecy

                                          Let's see whether her prophecy really true or not..

                                          Vote For Trump!
                                          Let's make America break again..

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