Celebrating Christmas
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I am curious what the stance is on this one? And by celebrating I mean either as a holiday commemorating the birth of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and/or as a family time to get together.
I have always accepted that Jesus brought the word of God and was born of a virgin mother, however have always rejected the idea of Trinity. Consequently I have never followed traditional Christians religions or holiday practices.
Until I found Islam I did not realize that there was a religion based in what I believe.
Praise be to Allah.
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salaam alaykum IamSearchingForGod
the forum normally goes through this one at this time of year - its a kind of tradition all of its own wink
so let me start the ball rolling by saying that I will be celebrating christmas this year - will be giving my children presents which I tell them were delivered by a fat man who has elves working for him, will eat mince pies which I dont at any other time of the year and will bring a tree into the house which I will cover with electic lights. I may well sing some christmas carols which will claim things like Jesus is the King of Heaven and Santa has a reindeer with a particularly shiny nose - I don't beleive either statement to be true but Allah is aware of that fact.
I do this because I used to celebrate xmas as a non-relgious festival in the old days when I was an atheist and still celebrate it in the same way now I am a muslim.
peace all,
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I do this because I used to celebrate xmas as a non-relgious festival in the old days when I was an atheist and still celebrate it in the same way now I am a muslim.
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Thank you for your reply. I feel the same way -
Peace,
You have God's Book and you have this verses as your signature "You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them." (Qu'ran 1736 )
My answer would be read the Book and then use the verse, the answer would come to you like that.... idea
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My answer would be read the Book and then use the verse, the answer would come to you like that.... idea
This is unltimately my method but I am new to Islam and so far have only made it through 5 chapters. On top of which even if I had finished the whole Qu'ran I know that it will take many readings to gain any true understanding of all the important issues.
If anyone can point me to specifc passages which would prohibit the gathering of family and exchanging of gifts or other "Christmas" type things please do. I am here to learn and to seek a path to God and appreciate any directions which may help to find my path.
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Salaam Carrie,
I do not suppose there are any restrictions given for observing Christmas, but I would think observing the wrong would be 'wrong'. Thanksgiving, a national holiday, is an observance of thanks, celebrating a tradition of giving and sharing. This is different from say a religious practice celebrating the conception of a 'god child'. Though, it is somewhat complicated for me, I do not suppose one cannot celebrate it, just my opinion.
Regarding the quran, if you're going to read through it, take notes on the things you come across and if you can, link passages together.
Joe
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Peace be upon you,
Here is my understanding about celebrating this HOLY-day of CHRIST-mas.
First , lets look at the word "Holiday" which means HOLY DAY. Since when are days "holy"? There are days where we should observe RESTRICTIONS, but I cannot see the reason why one day can be considered HOLY, when to the God belongs all days/time.
Next, since we are dealing with a christian celebration, lets see what thier religious unstructions state regarding a certain ritual that is part of the celebration.
Jeremiah 102-4 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."
Trees are what gives the human being oxygen to breathe, what kind of perverse holiday incorporates the KILLING of our breathing supply? Especially the only one that can last through winter?
The following site gives us a statistic from 1998;
http//siri.uvm.edu/ppt/decsafety/sld002.htm
600 Christmas tree fires
33 people lost their lives
112 people were seriously injured
Over $21,000,000 dollars in damageWhy is there a dead tree(death) being idolized in your home?
Depression is rampan during this COMMERICIAL time of year.
http//www.ontario.cmha.ca/content/about_mental_illness/suicide.asp?cID=3965
"It is important to note, however, that while suicide rates do not increase over the holiday season, depression rates do. Numerous studies, as well as anecdotal evidence from the Mood Disorders Association of Ontario and the Toronto Distress Centre, confirm that both the number and severity of calls by depressed persons increases every year through November and December, returning to normal volume towards the end of January."
Now lets talk about PURPOSE. What is the PURPOSE for celebrating Christmas. When we are kids (some of us), we become EMOTIOANLLY ATTACHED to this celebration because it brings us all the WORDLY toys and games that we want. YES! It teaches us to be WORDLY. It elevates the GLITTER of this world, but of course, only for those who are not poor. So for those who say "its all about the children", yes, you're right, its about stimulating EMOTIONS towards WORDLY things and teaching them that there is a caucasion man that has the attributes of the God (knows when you are sleeping, when you are awake, knows if you have been bad or good and will reward you accordingly based on your actions)!
I will repeat that so it sinks in,
knows when you are sleeping, when you are awake, knows if you have been bad or good and will reward you accordingly based on your actions !
Do you mean Mother and Father that there is a man in the North Pole who can do what "God" does?
Now lets think about what this CULTIVATING PROCESS(culture) does. Suppose a kid has been good all year, righteous, but his family is poor, so he gets next to nothing, if anything at all. How will his thoughts on JUSTICE/FAIR TREATMENT be cultivated? He might see a kid who acts bad all year get so many gifts that he doesn't even use some of them. The God says to be mindful of the wombs(that which cultivates you). These are deep seeded causes that we are programming into our kids, and at the early stages in life when they are most receptive and being formed!!
The of course, when is it righteous to lie, especially a lie that puts a jolly OVERWEIGHT man as an equal to the God, then later, you drop the bomb on them that Santa is not real, so what should they think about your saying that the TRUE GOD is real? Is that a lie too Mom and Dad, whom we rely upon to give us the TRUTH and not beat around the bush?
(2189) ...and the righteousness is not that you come to the houses from its backs, and but the righteousness (is) who feared and obeyed (God), and came (to) the houses from its doors/entrances...
(242) And do not cover the truth with the falsehood, and you hide/conceal the truth and you are knowing
I am sure I don't need to mention the rate of THEFT that goes on during this season as a result of crowded stores and people who are not wealthy thinking that they must give in to the pressure to buy gifts. No one want to be the little drummer boy (I have no gifts to bring pa rump pump pump pum!)
Now that we have seen just how it is NOT for the kids, lets look at it from the adult angle. Children lear through imitation, but as you grow older you are suppossed to look for REASON in what you are doing. So what is CHRISTmas for adults? It is a CHRISTIAN observance of the BIRTH OF GOD/SON OF GOD! (cringe) This is a day that celebrates the birth of God coming to earth as a man!! Is there any doubt by anyone about that?
How can a righteous peron condone this type of celebration?It is because youare EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED to this time based on your past experieced!! This is something that we MUST TRANSCEND in our nature!
Imagine a righteous monotheist going around saying(QUL) "Merry CHRISTMAS"! Do you know what that means!?!?
Cel-e-brate = to observe a notable occasion with festivities
History Christmas used to be celbrated in JUNE (Summer Solstice), but was moved to the first day after the WInter Solstice , dec 25th, to coincide with what others observed during that time, a time when one can do great spiritual work due to the calmness of the body when the earth is LEAST IONIZED, then dec 25th waswhen the SUN was "born again", meaning that the days start getting longer on Dec 25th. This is observance of the God's Creation for PURPOSE! But the wicked took a IDOL celebration and overlayed it on the OBSERVANCE of winter solstice, and said it was when the SON of God, not SUN of God was born. Interesting that the Bible itself contradicts the theory that Isa was born in winter time. Again, it used to be celebrated in Summer Solstice which is around when the star sirius appears, and for those who know the Biblical story, the three wise men followed a STAR.
Lastly, COMSUMERISM.
Christmas is the poster-holiday for the Freedom to Buy. And Chanukah was long ago morphed from a minor holiday to the Jewish ticket into seasonal consumerism. In a globalized market ? or a marketized globe ? everyone is invited to participate in the holiday cheer by cheering up the Dow. Many of our affiliates offer critiques of the commercialization of life, and some tell us things we could do about it.
People who grow up in forests accept trees and bugs as the natural content of the universe. People who grow up in malls likewise accept constant bombardment with instructions to purchase as equally natural. Communications media, which once upon a time were a mix of information and marketing, are increasingly given over to sales persuasion. And half of all sales are logged during the Christmas season, which begins promptly the day after the U.S. end-of-November Thanksgiving holiday and continues through early January. One of the challenges to master marketers is to extend this season throughout the year.
The unquestioned operation of the public airwaves as a shopping mall incenses those who perceive a larger purpose to social communication. Culture-jamming, the activist art of media appropriation, offers one way to fight back ... if the co-opting activists don't get co-opted themselves.
In conclusion, I myself am still trying to transcend my emotional attachments to this season, I do not celebrate anymore, but I still look for "Charlie Brown Christmas" special D , but I watch it by myself. My daughter does not live with me so I cannot protect her as I wish, but I make sure she understand WELL all that I have stated above.
Should I have another family, it will be certain that they do not grow up celebrating the birth of "God's son". Instead, I will teach them about the positions of the earth and its effect on our mind and body, something of PURPOSE.I would be interested to hear some of the benefits of celebrating by those who celebrate it.
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Peace be upon you,
Kids Are Obedient -- to Advertisers;
Children May Give Their Parents Problems and Headaches. But for
Advertisers They Are Cooperative to a Fault.
by Gary Ruskin and Jonathan RoweIf you want to get a sense of the spirit of this Christmas season -- the
commercial version, at least -- you might pick up a copy of Advertising
Age magazine. There you will find such articles as "Young Girls Targeted
by Makeup Companies," which describes the efforts of cosmetics firms to
make eight year olds feel a need to paint their faces - to sell "kid
makeup," the magazine says.Christmas cheer for advertisers means nagging, pouting, insecure kids
throwing tantrums until their parents relent. It creates tension and
chaos in the family, yet in reality it is a form of training --
obedience training -- that is taking place on a societal scale. Kids may
give their parents problems and headaches. But for advertisers they are
cooperative to a fault.If you doubt this, listen to what your kids are nagging for this holiday
season and then ask yourself "Where did they get that idea?"Each year, advertisers and marketers spend billions of dollars to put
kids through a kind of cultural obedience school. Sessions become
especially intense during Christmas season. More than half of the toy
industry's annual $30 billion in sales happen in the holiday season, and
this is not an act of nature. The toy industry will "put their
promotional machines to work to try to make something a demand item for
Christmas," said Alan Dorfman, president of Basic Fun, a toy company.But it's not just the toy industry that targets kids these days.
Marketers have realized they can harness the nag potential of children
to move all sorts of products."Virtually every consumer-goods industry, from airlines to zinnia-seed
sellers, targets kids," says James U. McNeal, a retired professor at
Texas A&M University, and the dean of the marketing to children
movement.The central strategy of the obedience trainers has been to interpose
themselves between parents and kids - and supplant the role of parents
as guides to values and behavior. In just about every venue in
children's lives -- the home, the school, and all points in between --
marketers have set up an authority structure to deliver messages that is
outside of parental control. A study by the Kaiser Family Foundation
last year found that children spend 38 hours a week watching or
listening to media -- most of which carries advertising -- with little
or no parental supervision.Marketers use sophisticated psychological techniques to influence kids
once they have their attention."There are a lot of agencies and kids' marketing firms that have
psychologists on staff and on retainer," said Debbie Solomon, senior
partner and group research director at the ad agency J. Walter Thompson.These professional kiddie influencers know what they are doing. McNeal,
who has spent 35 years studying how to market to children, articulates
what every parent already knows -- that advertising "works very
effectively in the sense of implanting brand names in their minds and
creating desires for the products."The results of this obedience training are pretty much what you'd
expect whining and hyper-stimulated children, fights over gifts, family
strife and stressed parents. In other words, Happy Holidays.Some 76 percent of Americans feel that excessive holiday advertising and
marketing to kids is taking the joy and meaning out of the season,
according to a recent poll. But parents are overwhelmed. They wage a
grim daily battle with a commercial culture that is hostile to their
deepest values, and they need some help. As the psychological tools of
the obedience trainers grow more sophisticated, things are only going to
get worse.The time has come for some disobedience -- commercial disobedience. If
we really value kids and families -- and Christmas itself -- we will
start to disengage from the psychological miasma that the advertisers
have launched upon our kids. And we ought to get the politicians
involved, too.Here's a question for the new president and members of Congress to start
the new year what they are going to do to give parents more power and
more tools to combat the advertisers and their assault upon the nation's
kids?Gary Ruskin is director of Commercial Alert, a national family network
protecting children and communities from commercialism, advertising and
marketing.Jonathan Rowe is a contributing editor to The Washington Monthly.
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Peace Idolfree, all,
Idolfree wroteI would be interested to hear some of the benefits of celebrating by those who celebrate it
Speaking of myself, the benefit is to mantain the tranquility of my parents. It is simply unthinkable for them to not celebrate it, it is a occassion for the family to be together, not because the family is not together at many other occassions, but that this one, it is literally 'compulsory', and also the social meetings with colleagues and friends.
Many people are aware of the points you have explained above, there is a light tendency to stop cutting trees, many is upset with the consumerism, I don't know which % celebrate based in religious reasons, I think is a minority but I can be wrong, but, definitely, it is impossible to not celebrate Christmas due to familiar and social commitments.
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Salam,
Since we are living in a Christian country where my kids are told since weeks that this red/white coloured man will come and give presents, me too I will give to my kids some presents. But for me it is important to mention why there is such thing like Christmas. We remember the birth of Jesus who is an imortant prophet for us Muslims as well.
I know hardly any muslim family who doesn`t give presents to their kids on Christmas.Trees are what gives the human being oxygen to breathe, what kind of perverse holiday incorporates the KILLING of our breathing supply? Especially the only one that can last through winter?
We have a little tree made of plastic which I can bring up if my kids wish so.lol
Salams
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Peace be upon you Sister Elena,
First and formeost, let me reiterate that all I say is not compulsory on anyone else, but I see the evidence as clear, so i must take a militant stand on all principles of righteousness. The only way to remove conditionings that you no longer want, lets say like drug/food addiction, you must become MILITANT against these addictions. I hope you all can appreciate that example.
Speaking of myself, the benefit is to mantain the tranquility of my parents.
Is the tranquility of your parents more important , or the tranquility of all of mankind living in a righteous environment , free from evil traditions which enslave our children to consumerism and upholds a "god like" Santa Claus and the birth of the "son of God"? The two just don't compare.
It is simply unthinkable for them to not celebrate it
I understand this all too well, my grandmother was "Mrs Chritmas", she would decorate her entire attic and all the kids in the neigborhood would come see it. My mother has imitated much of that and is very EMOTIONALLY attached to this celebration, although she respects my choose not to celebrate.
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it is a occassion for the family to be together, not because the family is not together at many other occassions, but that this one, it is literally 'compulsory', and also the social meetings with colleagues and friends.I understand all too well, but we have to ask, WHY is it so compulsory? Is it because we are PROGRAMMED starting as early as the day after "thanskgiving" with songs, lights, SALE SALE SALE? Do you realize that this time is accounts for 50% of most buisnesses? So they spend BILLIONS of dollars on commercials? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, for what? Because it WORKS! Advertising agencies havelearned from "harut and marut" the sciences of the mind and how art(visions) and music put you in states of TRANCE which is like hypnotism. It is not soemthing magical, we all experience states of TRANCE throughout he day. This is when someone walks up to you and says "Hey , snap out of it". It is a very normal occurence, but it is the things that we TAKE IT while we are in these states of TRANCE that programs us. So the God has instructed us to maintain "salaat" which is the programming of the DIVINE WILL into our minds to combat the shyateen. We are told to GUARD OUR SALAAT, and to be MINDFUL OF THE WOMBS(that whichcultivates us).
Please take special note of the things that enter your ears, eyes, ect During these next two weeks. Take a pen and make some notes. Count the commercials and what is being PROGRAMMED in you.
Many people are aware of the points you have explained above, there is a light tendency to stop cutting trees, many is upset with the consumerism, I don't know which % celebrate based in religious reasons, I think is a minority but I can be wrong
Yes, I am sure it is the minoriy that do it for religiuous reasons, but when confronted about it, they will claim itis Jesus birthday. Further, wether they celebrate for religious reasons or not, it was created for religious reasons, so when kids ask, they get some perverse story about the son of God being born, even though the parents do not truly stand by that position while celebrating.
but, definitely, it is impossible to not celebrate Christmas due to familiar and social commitments.
Impossible? You are a GODDESS! The "Ruh" of the God is WITHIN YOU! What do you mean impossible? You can do ANYTHING, as long as you obey the God WITHIN! Our minds(nafs) are programmable, so TAKE CONTROL of your own, no one else can defend you in the end when you are judged by how you purified or corrupted it.
It could be stopped individually, as many are fed up with the not sincerity of the event.
Certainly it can, and if we all stop compromising, then more people will see it is okay to not celebrate it. Why do we take one day out the year to have "good will towards men" and give gifts? This should be all year long! This is just another perversion of Christianity, which takes one day out of the wek to "worship" the God , when they should be SERVING the God every moment of thier lives.
Bob Marley said "don't let them fool ya, ohhh no!! Or even try to school ya"
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Peace be upon you Warda,
Since we are living in a Christian country
Christain country? Countries are pieces of land where humans reside. ALL of this earth is the God's earth, the REJECTORS are the unwelcome guests to this earth. Further, the God does not allow that to be n excuse when He says;
(497) ...They said "We were weakened in the Earth." They said "Was not The God's Earth wide/spacious so you emigrate in it." So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
where my kids are told since weeks that this red/white coloured man will come and give presents, me too
Yes, all of us here in US have been and are being programmed, especially when MAcy's first kept thier doors open on Christmas Eve. That started this retail craze and the enslavement soon followed.
I will give to my kids some presents.
There is nothing wrong with giving your kids gifts, we should do that when it is feasible, the God lists our children as one of the people we should give to. But does this mean you have to associate this gift giving to the clebration of Christmas and wrap it up in paper with snowmen and christmas trees? Please think about it.
But for me it is important to mention why there is such thing like Christmas. We remember the birth of Jesus who is an imortant prophet for us Muslims as well.
Birth of Jesus? Please show your evidence ofJesus being born on Dec 25th. In fact, give evidnece of ANY DATE. Further, do you celbrate Abraham, Moses, Solomon, and the rests birthday? If not, you are differentiating between messengers.
I know hardly any muslim family who doesn`t give presents to their kids on Christmas.
I know many, but that is not the real problem. Giving gifts is a good thing, but to associate it to this PERVERSITY of the birth of God's Son, that is clearly the wrong path.
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Trees are what gives the human being oxygen to breathe, what kind of perverse holiday incorporates the KILLING of our breathing supply? Especially the only one that can last through winter?We have a little tree made of plastic which I can bring up if my kids wish so.
D I respect that, but you are still helping to perpetuate this perverse celebration.
Please all, take this season to sit back and OBSERVE and see if all that I am saying is not true. I wishyou all nothin gbut PEace and good will, ALL YEAR LONG! D
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peace,
I hate christmas, last year after I became a so-called "muslim" and my parents hadn't known, so i refused to set up the christmas tree idol (i have a good familiarity of how this holiday originated) and told them i was a "muslim" (still thought it as a proper noun at the time), they flipped out, we went to see therapy and family counseling, they did all they could to try to destroy my faith in the "quran" (reading), they even tried to convert me to other religions, they used emotions on me telling me I could be a "muslim" if i wanted to but it would deeply hurt them (reverse physcology) my best friend's mom tried to change me, my best friend went crazy on me, i lost nearly all my friends, Christmas basically reminds me of this horrible time in my life, a time where i realized the hypocricy of american criticizing the sunnis for apostating people when they theirselves are some of the most intolerant people in the world
sorry, got off the subject, recalling this time in my life always makes me vent but anyways, christmas is a idol worshipping holiday with idol worshipping and superstitiuos/blasphemous origins, today it is a time of greediness and crash consumer marketing, the season of mass capitalism, nothing is good about it, and the people who only do charity at this time are the biggest hypocrites of them all
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Peace be upon you Idris,
I understand your story brother. What you say is very true. Others will try all kinds of emotional physchological attacks. It is really as simple as this
(2109) (YA) Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them But forgive and overlook, Till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.
You must understand that he righteous man and women is a burden on the rejectors. We remind the people of who they are suppossed to be. We are a glaring light that makes their error visable. But please take special note of the last part, forgive and overlook. You MUST work to eliminate those conditionings that bring back these hateful memories because this puts you in a tense state of emotion, and that is not our nature, our nature is PEACE. Emotions make you tense and destory your life. It retricts your breathing, which is how the God makes us CONSCIOUS(He brethes the "ruh" into Adam). Bringing up these memories in such a way only hurts yourself, because your family is not here right now saying anything to yo, so they are not the cause right now, it is your briging up those memories.
I am not speaking merely of you, I just use you as anexample of what we all have to do for MANY differnt subjects tat bringup emotional pains. It is right to HATE that which is a perversity of the God's system, but forgive and overlook, NOT COMPROMISE AND CELBRATE, but forgive and overlook, that is what brings us back to PEACE. Although we love our parents very much, they will have to answer for what they do indivisually, as we all must.
This conversation is really beneficial for me, one needs a great amount of internal fortitude to remain at Peace in the face of adversity, and Chritmas is a big adversity. But the weightlifter does not hate the weights, he realizes it is the resistance that will cause his growth to levels others cannot achieve.
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Peace upon you,
I happen to live in a very cosmopolitan city, where I have friends and colleagues from different origins and backgrounds, each having their "holy-days" depending on their calendar and so on. Add to this birthdays, one would not stop celebrating all the year, spending all his money buying useless gifts to people how are not really in need. What a wasteful path!
This money can help the needy, this time of celebration could be used in doing something constructive, ar at least relaxing and reading.
Another thing is, from my personnal experience, I feel that women are more attached to such celebrations than men, this is true for my mother, my sisters, my wife... Each year, at each "3id" or birthday, I have to explain my position, they get too emotionnal, and give many reasons to justify, knowing at the same time that it's in no-way reasonable. Now thay start to be useb to my way to see things, and are less insisting on this.
Between, men are only following in this issue, I think.
I'm not trying to put the fault on women, but just making an observation. Please correct me if it's wrong.
This view doesn't take into account the macro-economic aspects of this issue.
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Peace be with you all,
I have to agree with the position that this is an idolatrous time of year. I've been brought up with Christmas all my life, but I've had enough of it... told my mom a couple weeks back that I wasn't going to celebrate Christmas, and I could tell it upset her. She said "why do you have to be so straight" (I think she meant rigid). I'm pretty sure she is still going to buy me gifts, I told her that I dont want any and it would be better if she bought gifts and gave them to the poor, but she's insisting (geez I'm 18 and she still wants to buy me gifts... ). Anyway, in this case I said if it makes her happy she can buy me gifts but give them to me at anytime during the year rather than on Christmas; that way we could have our own gift giving days without all the idolatry that goes with it. She agreed to this.For those of you with kids, I understand it must be really tough not to celebrate this "holiday", but why not create your own days that you'll buy your kids presents? Explain why you don't want to celebrate christmas, but give them gifts at other times during the year. I'm sure they'll understand. Don't simply celebrate because everyone else is. I remember that saying my mom would tell me when I was young, "would you jump off a cliff if everyone else did?", now I get to turn it around on her lol .
Peaceee
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Add to this birthdays, one would not stop celebrating all the year, spending all his money buying useless gifts to people how are not really in need. What a wasteful path!
I was wondering about that. You buy gifts for 15 people, and 15 people buy gifts for you, hopefully you like them. ?
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Salaam Someone,
Apologies, I wrote that in haste. I was saying that I just found it strange how people go about it here, atleast from what I've seen. One person will buy a gift for friends and family... but at the same time, it's like a rule, that those same friends and family have to buy that person a gift. I think that's just a waste, most of the time, people end up getting gifts they never wanted anyway. Some people create "wish-lists" to avoid dissappoinments... I fail to see the purpose and point to it all.
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Salam Kyle,
I understand this all too well, my grandmother was "Mrs Chritmas", she would decorate her entire attic and all the kids in the neigborhood would come see it.
lol lol
You should see some streets here in Berlin! Some houses are in hard competition with their neighbours, who got more shiny sparkling windows and gardens! It gets more and more each year.I understand all too well, but we have to ask, WHY is it so compulsory? Is it because we are PROGRAMMED starting as early as the day after "thanskgiving" with songs, lights, SALE SALE SALE? Do you realize that this time is accounts for 50% of most buisnesses? So they spend BILLIONS of dollars on commercials? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, for what? Because it WORKS!
Yes, Kyle somehow you`re right. If we would collect all this money and give it to the needing ones it would be much better than holding up high our capitalistic systems. But then again it is not only the Christmas-present-boom we ought to fight.
It was just today when I went to one of the biggest cinemas in the inner city. I was speechless of all that monumentary waste of money. Everything was shining and glittering. Every tree had shiny chains, huge screens with movies were shown open air, a bowling place, bars, food, music, light-shows,...A big party going on. It was overwhelming. What a temple of consume!!!
As if the whole world would live in peace and happiness...Birth of Jesus? Please show your evidence ofJesus being born on Dec 25th. In fact, give evidnece of ANY DATE.
I knew this will come up.Of course I can
t show you any evidence, and Im quite aware of it. But I see this more symbolic - it doesn`t really matter it was this or the other day to remember just the fact that Prophet Jesus was born. The Prophet - and not the son of God!! ?Bye
wardaOh, who is Macy?
Yes, all of us here in US have been and are being programmed, especially when MAcy's first kept thier doors open on Christmas Eve.