KNOW WHAT JUNUBA MEANS AND PROPER ABLUTION

wrkmmn

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My literal translations.

443 Oh those who have believed, not you shall come near the prayer, and you intoxicated, until you shall know what you speaking, and not JuNuBA( to the side, unrelated, separated, estranger, distanced, remote), except ?ABaRY(traversing) road/path, until TaGuTSiLWA( you have washed). if you are ill, or on SaFaRi (journey), or one of you has excreted feces, or LAMaSTuM(you have had sex) with the women, and not you have found water, Fa-TaYaMMWA (then you shall YaMM), clean soil, then you shall rub in your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.

In verse 443 God commands us to wash ?with water? every time we approach prayer, except if we are traversing a path. 443?not you shall come near the prayer,? except traversing path, until you have washed. This agrees with (2239) But if you are in danger, walking or riding; and when you are again secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know. Also, in it we are told to do YaMM in case we are ill, traveling, had sex, or gone to the restroom without water available, which would means that if we are not in such situations, but still have no water, we are exempted from doing YaMM. Furthermore, in it God forbids us to go to prayer if we are drunk. 443?not you shall come near the prayer, and you intoxicated, until you shall know what you speaking?Or in the state of JuNuBA. 443?not you shall come near the prayer, and you intoxicated... and not JuNuBA (distanced, remote) ?

56 Oh those who have believed, when you come to prayer, Fa-AGuSiLWA(then you shall wash) your face, and your hands to the elbow, and you shall wipe/caress/anoint your heads, and your feet to the ankle, and if you have been JuNuBA( to the side, unrelated, separated, estranger, distanced), FA-TaHaRWA(then you shall purify)?

In verse 56 God tells us how we shall GuSiL wash. But, it also tells us that if we have been in a state of JuNuBA we shall TaHaR purify. Here it is when the meaning of JuNuBA becomes important, because just as water does not take away drunkenness, it also seems not to take away the JuNuBA. Yet, most translators are translating GuSiL and TaHaR as bathe (in the present meaning of the word), JuNuBA and LaMaS as sex, and ?ABaRY and SaFaRi as traveling. However, the only thing they achieve is to create big contradictions.

The word TaHaR appears in 2222 where we are told to approach women until they purify from their menstruation, and it does not say that they have to bathe to achieve that. In 342 Mary is told that God purified her, and she did not have to bathe to achieve it. Therefore, it seems that TaHaR has more to do with a cleaning of the spirit, the mind, something in the body not on the body, rather than bathing with water. Therefore, JuNuBA would be a mental, spiritual, bodily state which makes us dirty and disqualify us for prayer, and that cannot be cleaned with water. JuNuBA could be an attitude resembling the hypocrites 954 ...they rejected God and His messenger, and they do not attend the prayer except lazily, and they do not spend except unwillingly. 4142 The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they stand to make the prayer, they do so lazily, only to show the people; they do not remember God except very little. What would be a possible way to purify? 2238 BE EVER mindful of prayers, and of praying in the most excellent way; and stand before God in devout obedience.

Interpretation by Monotheist Group.

443 O you who believe, do not approach the contact prayer while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless traveling, until you bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.
56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe?

Interpretation by sahid international
443. O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janOEbah,*163 except those passing through , until you have washed ?

163Literally, "distance." The state of one under obligation to perform ghusl (a complete bath) due to having had sexual intercourse or ejaculation.

O you who have believed, when you rise to prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janOEbah, then purify yourselves?

Mohamed Asad?s interpretation also says in his notes that JuNuBA means ?to be remote?, but says that he interpreted JuNuBA as sexual intercourse because as he stated, ?it signifies one?s remoteness from prayer because of immersion in sexual passion?.

How did they Get to such interpretations? Did they have the same teacher? yes, the books of tasfir.

JuNuBA could not mean sex, because while people can have sex, as stated in 443 56, during a journey, while traveling, it seems complicated that people would have sex while moving on a path. And if they do, why would they be rewarded with an exemption for their uncontrollable behavior? And, the worse interpretation, by Sahid International, states , ?except those passing through ?. Why would be people of uncontrollable sexual appetites be exempted from cleaning themselves in a place of prayer? in view of the fact that places of prayer are sacred places to which people shall attend in the cleanest possible way, it is outrageous.

However, let?s say that TaHaR could mean complete body bath/wash. This is still acceptable, because it is only required for the state of JuNuBA, which God knows how often it could be. But if GuSiL is translated as complete bath; then, for example, a person that has LaMaS(sex) during the night, excretes feces 3 times, and urinates 4 times during a Day, and has decided to pray 6 times a day, would have to take at least 6 complete baths. I doubt that even those preaching those interpretations would be willing to carry such load.

3932 And who could be more wicked than he who invents lies about God, and gives the lie to the truth as soon as it has been placed before him? Is not hell the abode for all who deny the truth?

conjecturers post evidence.

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.

huruf

I think that the junuba part as well as the purification taking a ritual meaning almost exclusively is a development which is not provided for i Qur'an but which was developed later. Although I think the Qur'an does provide for some ritual not overridingly or to the extent that the historical development of "Islam" has achieved.

I have done some study of the purification in the Qur'an and I have not seen any support in it to interpret it as a ritual.

My take on junub is that it may refer to being mentally undisosed for prayers,may be mentally disperse, lacking concentration... there is a French expression which ressembles it which "? cot?", that is, not in it. Its coming together with being intoxicated to me is a pointer, because it is not speakinng about a physical codition but, mental. To wash may have the effect of making one focus on what is at hand.

Salaam

wrkmmn

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From 1074-5 we can expand the idea behind the word JuNuBA. M.Assad interpreted these verses as 107(4) Woe, then, unto those praying ones (5) whose hearts from their prayer are remote. Thus giving the meaning of JuNuBA to SAHWN, God knows why, because, in his notes he stated, ?Lit., "who are unmindful of their prayers".?

literal translation
1071 HAST THOU seen the one that he denying (b-al-dyn) * the reckoning/ religion/ law (2) so, this the one that repulses the orphan, (3) and not he urging over feeding the weak/ needy. (4) So, Woe, the praying ones (5) those who they of/after their prayer (SAHWN) unmindful/ absent-minded/ forgetful (6) those who they, they showing-off/ do to be seen (7) and they denying (al-ma?wn) the water/ simplest of things!

and other cases in wich a person is considered tobe far/remote
4116... one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away
6116 And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's Path...
from 4116 and 6116 it could be assumed that those doing such wickedness are unclean for prayer.

And, In 2238 the believers are told the state of mind in which they shall attend prayer, and that to stand before Allah they must be obedient persons. Which is reasonable, because only a hypocrite could go to stand before Allah when he/she has been doing evil corrupting himself, or the land.
Sahih
2238 Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient.
Assad
2238BE EVER mindful of prayers, and of praying in the most excellent way; and stand before God in devout obedience.

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.