Ture Islam Resides Somewhere Between Salafi(Shia) and Quranist(JAQ)

IAMOP

peace @gl

beleive me , from last couple of weeks every night i say something similar , like

my God , where are you,
my God where are you,

my God this time help me plz , lot of things connected ,

but i dnt know suddenly sleep comes

then i say my God where is my ease you promise there is ease after every difficulty.

and the rrot of this work which i m trying or wishing to get done i m stuck in it from last 16 years , you can say that its my need as well as my only wish of life, i never ask money, cars, luxries, education, whatever God gives me i alwasy thankful ,

sometimes i think Allah know what i feel thats why he is testing me like this, but , i m not against the test , but duration is killing me , i have things to sort out which connects with this of my problems, its soooooo late now, when my ease wil come .

its just personal otherwise you guys knnow i m strong person i just share this i was little bit afraid that may b i changed my traditional islam thats y. so i was about to ask if somebody feels same like me. but i think its not the reason , its just my test of faith , lets see when i giveup.

You are in need of Knowledge of the Way (Sunnatullah) - the Knowledge of how Allah/Source answers requests and performs Judgements and Decrees. It is all with accordance to Supreme Justice, Supreme Truth, All-Encompassing, All-Embracing

A man has said, for one man the Highest Good might be to to make that man wealthy above all others. Yet for another man, the Highest Good might be to make him lose his job, face misery after misery after misery.

You will find your answer between these two places

Except for those who repent, correct themselves, hold fast to Allah , and are sincere in their religion for Allah , for those will be with the believers. And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward. (4146)
What would Allah do with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing. (4147)

And al-Balad

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

I swear by this land.
And you are a resident of this land.
And by a father and what he fathered.
We created man in distress.
Does he think that no one has power over him?
He says, "I have used up so much money."
Does he think that no one sees him?
Did We not give him two eyes?
And a tongue, and two lips?
And We showed him the two ways?
But he did not brave the ascent.
And what will explain to you what the ascent is?
The freeing of a slave.
Or the feeding on a day of hunger.
An orphan near of kin.
Or a destitute in the dust.
Then he becomes of those who believe, and advise one another to patience, and advise one another to kindness.
These are the people of happiness.
But as for those who defy Our revelations-these are the people of misery.
Upon them is a padlocked Fire.
http//www.clearquran.com/090.html

Think of a computer - if a virus enters the computer and the file has gone from 100% to 99% correct, can you run your spaceship on 99% truth? No! Thus is the Purification of the Nafs

One is only earning the Pleasure of our Lord when one is fulfilling the decrees of the Uphill Ascent. This means your entire focus and direction in Life is towards this path, towards Surrender (Islam) to Allah (The Supreme Identity - Al-Ilah, or The Light of the Heavens and Earth - 2435). Everything else is a form of kufr - shirk or munafiq, vanity, wasting time committiing evil and being unjust to oneself. Examine the whole of your Life and see what is in non-alignment with the principle of the Uphill Ascent, and that is the source of your issues.

We all learn this until we wake up and realise we can only choose between taghut/oppression and Deen/Surrender to Higher Love

parvez_mushtaq

Peace brothers-Parvez and Imran-

A good question to ask is why sometimes prayers are not answered?
After all GOD s promise to the believers is " I will answer the prayer to those who sincerely ask!!!!

Is there a contradiction here?

No ,for sure there is no contradiction in GOD s words.
The solution rests on understanding that GOD s promise is only valid if you stay under His protection, stay loyal and do not "move out" of His protection.
We may ask what does that mean?
Here is a list from Qoran that helps us answer this
1- Taking on other "gods" beside GOD Alone. For example relying on somebody else or something else without acknowledging the One above who makes all things happen and possible.
2-Idolising, putting others on the same platform as the One and Only, the Highest.
3- Asking GOD, then not thanking Him , but thanking others ,since GOD made it possible to happen through others.
4- Mentioning others when asking Him, thinking they can intercede on our behalf.
5-Mixing up your priorities, promising and not delivering on your promise.
6- Your true "god" is what is in your mind most of the time. If GOD Alone is not in your mind 24/7, then you are "out of His protection" through your own choice/decision to have another priority at the forefront of your life.
7-Not following His commands ,when you clearly understand them.
8- When not answering your prayer is for your own good. To correct your ways/to save you further along the line/you asked for the wrong thing...etc.
9- You are still on trial. He knows you better than others or yourself.
10-You simply have the wrong motif for what you are praying for, or you will use it to gain "ego".
Of course there are other reasons....

GOD is there for everyone. We make the decision to enter His "kingdom"- full protection- or stay out of it .
GOD is forgiver most Merciful,if we come out of His "kingdom"- out of His protection- then repent and come back, He forgives us and we are back to receive His promise of answering our genuine needs .i.e back to His "Kingdom"-under His protection-.
Our honesty and intentions must be clean and genuine.
May the Lord keep us under His protection.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Thanks GL for your kind words i hope may ALLAH subhanavatala make my our things easier
your were talking about "trail" .i dont know when this things will end in my life
I been waiting for very long years hoping for the mercy of ALLAH subhanvatala
or
i think it is because of his mercy even after this problems my faith in him is increasing

Peace Imran.
When I read your post, I thought of this
2214
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is God's victory?" God's victory is near.

May the Lord help and bless you.
Peace.

You have stolen my words ,GL
lets hope for the best

parvez_mushtaq

waiting for this positive factor from last 32 years of my life, i never complaint to my lord anything whatever i suffer in my life, i always accept, but this time i really need this thing , i love my Allah so so much, why he is not giving me this thing, the question is how long willl this test will go on, how long, i have ***** things to sort out .and i have lot of things to do in my life which all connected on this shit what i m struggling for,, i m just thinking i need to become a little bit bad, and liar otherwise everytime people will use me cheat with me and in return i cannot do anything becoz God dnt like transgressor, God dnt like to do same , god dnt like lies, cheating, i m confuse is it so hard to do everysingle thing according to law.

Oh ,Imran
The best mercy from ALLAH subhanvatala is to give the proper understanding of his religion ,problems are inevitable .Every one have his share of problems
if you are waiting positive factor for 32 years then i think like me you should have accustomed to negative factor .because i knew when i am going to be pulled down but i cannot escape because every time ALLAH subhanvatala plays a new game .so why to worry on obvious

BTW do you know there is place where i have best positive factor
do you want to know it ....it is here on religious forums
I always get much,much more than i expect for
right from the day one ....otherwise i should have lost with ffi goons
but sadly these things never fill my needs
if i get at least 10% of this positive factor in my real life than i will be most grateful to ALLAH subhnavtala

Bender

Peace brothers-Parvez and Imran-

A good question to ask is why sometimes prayers are not answered?
After all GOD s promise to the believers is " I will answer the prayer to those who sincerely ask!!!!

GOD bless.
Peace.

Hi GL,

There is a difference between answering and fulfilling.

imrankhawaja

peace everybody,

actually realsing all things, in the end i feel like when you love anything anyone more than ALLAH here Allah will put a test for you there, and human infact created as weak so he lose his hope and here satan get key to interrept the thoughts of mind , but every situation we face we should humble to God and should accept it rest of the matter leave it on God.

you always lose something you love , some have tested by money, some by family some by both,
but after all,

to him we belong and to him we will return,

thanx everybody for ur advises. group

parvez_mushtaq

ok imran try this dua
.......
This was the dua of Mosa alaisalam when he used to in adversity
and as per Quran better things follows him after this Dua
Surah Qasas ayah 24

I have seen lot of miracles regarding many verses of quran but yet to see these type of miracles
...like dua of Ibrahim alaisalam getting true even today ,zakariayya alaisalam dua getting him a son ...
let me hope i hear this miracle form you , imran

Zulf

You are in need of Knowledge of the Way (Sunnatullah) - the Knowledge of how Allah/Source answers requests and performs Judgements and Decrees. It is all with accordance to Supreme Justice, Supreme Truth, All-Encompassing, All-Embracing

A man has said, for one man the Highest Good might be to to make that man wealthy above all others. Yet for another man, the Highest Good might be to make him lose his job, face misery after misery after misery.

You will find your answer between these two places

Except for those who repent, correct themselves, hold fast to Allah , and are sincere in their religion for Allah , for those will be with the believers. And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward. (4146)
What would Allah do with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing. (4147)

And al-Balad

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

I swear by this land.
And you are a resident of this land.
And by a father and what he fathered.
We created man in distress.
Does he think that no one has power over him?
He says, "I have used up so much money."
Does he think that no one sees him?
Did We not give him two eyes?
And a tongue, and two lips?
And We showed him the two ways?
But he did not brave the ascent.
And what will explain to you what the ascent is?
The freeing of a slave.
Or the feeding on a day of hunger.
An orphan near of kin.
Or a destitute in the dust.
Then he becomes of those who believe, and advise one another to patience, and advise one another to kindness.
These are the people of happiness.
But as for those who defy Our revelations-these are the people of misery.
Upon them is a padlocked Fire.
http//www.clearquran.com/090.html

Think of a computer - if a virus enters the computer and the file has gone from 100% to 99% correct, can you run your spaceship on 99% truth? No! Thus is the Purification of the Nafs

One is only earning the Pleasure of our Lord when one is fulfilling the decrees of the Uphill Ascent. This means your entire focus and direction in Life is towards this path, towards Surrender (Islam) to Allah (The Supreme Identity - Al-Ilah, or The Light of the Heavens and Earth - 2435). Everything else is a form of kufr - shirk or munafiq, vanity, wasting time committiing evil and being unjust to oneself. Examine the whole of your Life and see what is in non-alignment with the principle of the Uphill Ascent, and that is the source of your issues.

We all learn this until we wake up and realise we can only choose between taghut/oppression and Deen/Surrender to Higher Love

In response to the bold text.

What is referenced is sacrifice (as we feel it). It is the shedding of imaginary but oh so strong chains. It is surrender to freedom. Surrender happens when we let go. We let go of pride, ego, fear, selfishness and all sorts of other mental viruses that are haunting and destroying us. It will hurt a little when shedding the bonds, but then it will feel so good. Surrender feels good, because it is good, in alignment with reality.

It is so simple, yet so hard. In itself, there is nothing simpler and easier, but our rebellious condition makes it very tough.

In my humble ignorance at least

Nestor

neither salafi(shai) nor the quranist(JAQ) are correct and the true Islam resides somewhere in between the two

Waleikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatahu brother Mushtaq,

InshaAllah you will eventually discover that true Islam is very far away from either of those.

Barakallahufik Habibi

parvez_mushtaq

Waleikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatahu brother Mushtaq,

InshaAllah you will eventually discover that true Islam is very far away from either of those.

Barakallahufik Habibi

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

The_Guided_One

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

Selam, what is your conclusion about Muslims who follow Quran only, do you have the same questions? Peace

parvez_mushtaq

Selam, what is your conclusion about Muslims who follow Quran only, do you have the same questions? Peace

Walaimkumsalam Rahamtullahi Wabarakathahu
The title says it all .if you go through this thread you will find both extremes are not correct .

The_Guided_One

Walaimkumsalam Rahamtullahi Wabarakathahu
The title says it all .if you go through this thread you will find both extremes are not correct .

Selam brother,

i think you can not judge that soon, lets talk about it and maybe we will learn from each other in shaa Allah, Peace

parvez_mushtaq

Selam brother,

i think you can not judge that soon, lets talk about it and maybe we will learn from each other in shaa Allah, Peace

Ok .From where you want to start ,lets start from the OP .....At least ,let me hope you can answer me

The_Guided_One

Ok .From where you want to start ,lets start from the OP .....At least ,let me hope you can answer me

You judge and think you are a scholar, and Peace to you, maybe one day you will understand why i look down at you for such a behavior

parvez_mushtaq

You judge and think you are a scholar, and Peace to you, maybe one day you will understand why i look down at you for such a behavior

Thank you for your replay .I am not here for fights and insults .don't expect me to throw another insult at you .I am here to learn .I love lot of people here(mazhar bhai,Wakas,reel,imran,Ben.....) and i am happy talking to them .i have learn a lot from them .this forum gives me a platform to reveal my faith and i am much obliged .Thank You ,Bro handshake

reel

Thank you for your replay .I am not here for fights and insults .don't expect me to throw another insult at you .I am here to learn .I love lot of people here(mazhar bhai,Wakas,reel,imran,Ben.....) and i am happy talking to them .i have learn a lot from them .this forum gives me a platform to reveal my faith and i am much obliged .Thank You ,Bro handshake

We are always friends!
Peace

Scribbler

Peace.

Brother Parvez Mushtaq,

Do you judge in any matter of your deen using any other book other than what is revelation? Because God told us to use only what is revelation from Him, and those who do not do so are 'kaffirs', 'zalimun and 'fasiqun'.

544
"Whoso does not judge by that which God has revealed, such are disbelievers (kafirun)"

545
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are wrongdoers (zalimun)"

547
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are rebellious (fasiqun)"

grandopolis

Assalamualaikum Rahamatullahi Wabarakathahu

As I am nearing my 100th post here on FM ,I want to review what has happened here so far.

Firstly , so far none of quranaist (JAQ) has answered the three magical verses from the quran .
1.Verse 2.3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

2.Verse 56.13 and 14
A company of the former peoples
And a few from those of later times.

Verse 2.113
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know not.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg383622#msg383622

Secondly, they have fail to derive salah from the quran as well as they could not defend themselves against the traditional salah pattern which is being followed by our ancestors down the ages
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383728#msg383728
and
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608286.msg384400#msg384400

finally , JAQ's could not make me clear the manipulation they made regrading Zakah
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12267.msg384761#msg384761

So this is the story so far

the final out come of the above arguments make me very clear that neither salafi(shai) nor the quranist(JAQ) are correct and the true Islam resides somewhere in between the two

Regards
Mushtaq

What do you mean with "between"?

There are just 2 groups..

Group of God.

Group of Satan.

grandopolis