Ture Islam Resides Somewhere Between Salafi(Shia) and Quranist(JAQ)

parvez_mushtaq

Waleikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatahu brother Mushtaq,

InshaAllah you will eventually discover that true Islam is very far away from either of those.

Barakallahufik Habibi

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

The_Guided_One

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

Selam, what is your conclusion about Muslims who follow Quran only, do you have the same questions? Peace

parvez_mushtaq

Selam, what is your conclusion about Muslims who follow Quran only, do you have the same questions? Peace

Walaimkumsalam Rahamtullahi Wabarakathahu
The title says it all .if you go through this thread you will find both extremes are not correct .

The_Guided_One

Walaimkumsalam Rahamtullahi Wabarakathahu
The title says it all .if you go through this thread you will find both extremes are not correct .

Selam brother,

i think you can not judge that soon, lets talk about it and maybe we will learn from each other in shaa Allah, Peace

parvez_mushtaq

Selam brother,

i think you can not judge that soon, lets talk about it and maybe we will learn from each other in shaa Allah, Peace

Ok .From where you want to start ,lets start from the OP .....At least ,let me hope you can answer me

The_Guided_One

Ok .From where you want to start ,lets start from the OP .....At least ,let me hope you can answer me

You judge and think you are a scholar, and Peace to you, maybe one day you will understand why i look down at you for such a behavior

parvez_mushtaq

You judge and think you are a scholar, and Peace to you, maybe one day you will understand why i look down at you for such a behavior

Thank you for your replay .I am not here for fights and insults .don't expect me to throw another insult at you .I am here to learn .I love lot of people here(mazhar bhai,Wakas,reel,imran,Ben.....) and i am happy talking to them .i have learn a lot from them .this forum gives me a platform to reveal my faith and i am much obliged .Thank You ,Bro handshake

reel

Thank you for your replay .I am not here for fights and insults .don't expect me to throw another insult at you .I am here to learn .I love lot of people here(mazhar bhai,Wakas,reel,imran,Ben.....) and i am happy talking to them .i have learn a lot from them .this forum gives me a platform to reveal my faith and i am much obliged .Thank You ,Bro handshake

We are always friends!
Peace

Scribbler

Peace.

Brother Parvez Mushtaq,

Do you judge in any matter of your deen using any other book other than what is revelation? Because God told us to use only what is revelation from Him, and those who do not do so are 'kaffirs', 'zalimun and 'fasiqun'.

544
"Whoso does not judge by that which God has revealed, such are disbelievers (kafirun)"

545
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are wrongdoers (zalimun)"

547
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are rebellious (fasiqun)"

grandopolis

Assalamualaikum Rahamatullahi Wabarakathahu

As I am nearing my 100th post here on FM ,I want to review what has happened here so far.

Firstly , so far none of quranaist (JAQ) has answered the three magical verses from the quran .
1.Verse 2.3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

2.Verse 56.13 and 14
A company of the former peoples
And a few from those of later times.

Verse 2.113
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know not.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg383622#msg383622

Secondly, they have fail to derive salah from the quran as well as they could not defend themselves against the traditional salah pattern which is being followed by our ancestors down the ages
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383728#msg383728
and
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608286.msg384400#msg384400

finally , JAQ's could not make me clear the manipulation they made regrading Zakah
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12267.msg384761#msg384761

So this is the story so far

the final out come of the above arguments make me very clear that neither salafi(shai) nor the quranist(JAQ) are correct and the true Islam resides somewhere in between the two

Regards
Mushtaq

What do you mean with "between"?

There are just 2 groups..

Group of God.

Group of Satan.

grandopolis

Assalamualaikum Rahamatullahi Wabarakathahu

As I am nearing my 100th post here on FM ,I want to review what has happened here so far.

Firstly , so far none of quranaist (JAQ) has answered the three magical verses from the quran .
1.Verse 2.3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

2.Verse 56.13 and 14
A company of the former peoples
And a few from those of later times.

Verse 2.113
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know not.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg383622#msg383622

Secondly, they have fail to derive salah from the quran as well as they could not defend themselves against the traditional salah pattern which is being followed by our ancestors down the ages
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383728#msg383728
and
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608286.msg384400#msg384400

finally , JAQ's could not make me clear the manipulation they made regrading Zakah
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12267.msg384761#msg384761

So this is the story so far

the final out come of the above arguments make me very clear that neither salafi(shai) nor the quranist(JAQ) are correct and the true Islam resides somewhere in between the two

Regards
Mushtaq

TRUE "ISLAM" CAN ONLY BE FOUND IN THE WORD OF GOD.

parvez_mushtaq

We are always friends!
Peace

You are welcome ,Reel

parvez_mushtaq

What do you mean with "between"?

There are just 2 groups..

Group of God.

Group of Satan.

Both of them believe in ALLAH subhanvatala and the last day ,their book is Quran .then i don't think any of them are hizba alshshaytan .It is not for us to judge because only ALLAH subhnavatala know the intentions

Peace.

Brother Parvez Mushtaq,

Do you judge in any matter of your deen using any other book other than what is revelation? Because God told us to use only what is revelation from Him, and those who do not do so are 'kaffirs', 'zalimun and 'fasiqun'.

544
"Whoso does not judge by that which God has revealed, such are disbelievers (kafirun)"

545
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are wrongdoers (zalimun)"

547
"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are rebellious (fasiqun)"

TRUE "ISLAM" CAN ONLY BE FOUND IN THE WORD OF GOD.

But rituals not .Quran is a universal book .it accommodates all religions .it will never single out a single ritual
for example can you explain all the masjids of people of Adam

Verse 731
O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess.