Ture Islam Resides Somewhere Between Salafi(Shia) and Quranist(JAQ)

parvez_mushtaq

If there was such a thing as "true Islam", we wouldn't be arguing endlessly here....

After 1400 years we are still arguing...in vain...

Because people are seeking something that in reality doesn't exist...

Real Islam is non-existant...

It will never be found...

I think it is there .i strongly believe these arguments kept religions alive
And no human is perfect and no one can guaranty or claim himself to to the perfect Muslim or a perfect human, as a matter of fact we can just approach to the perfection

parvez_mushtaq

hmm, humanity problems and religious problems are two different things

I think they are related
only on two occasions human mind stops working ,one is religion and the other is doctor
They will believe blindly in their doctor thinking that he will cure them some how and likewise they believe in their GOD thinking that their problems will be sorted by their prayers
but in both the cases the inevitable happens

imrankhawaja

they believe in their GOD thinking that their problems will be sorted by their prayers

is there any other option of getting your problems solved if it is out of the hands, i beleive its only God who bring out ships from storm , its literal meaning are regarding ship and storm but infact the storm indicate all the problmes we faced in our daily life, and so far i believe its only God who can solve problems,

now a days i m suffering from something between faith and problems i m kinda confuse , first time one of work is pending from last couple of months and its not being solved still in process and i really need that happpen quickly , but i m totally blank head and blank vision, sometimes i feel what i m doing is really right or something i m missing,

good_logic

Peace brothers-Parvez and Imran-

A good question to ask is why sometimes prayers are not answered?
After all GOD s promise to the believers is " I will answer the prayer to those who sincerely ask!!!!

Is there a contradiction here?

No ,for sure there is no contradiction in GOD s words.
The solution rests on understanding that GOD s promise is only valid if you stay under His protection, stay loyal and do not "move out" of His protection.
We may ask what does that mean?
Here is a list from Qoran that helps us answer this
1- Taking on other "gods" beside GOD Alone. For example relying on somebody else or something else without acknowledging the One above who makes all things happen and possible.
2-Idolising, putting others on the same platform as the One and Only, the Highest.
3- Asking GOD, then not thanking Him , but thanking others ,since GOD made it possible to happen through others.
4- Mentioning others when asking Him, thinking they can intercede on our behalf.
5-Mixing up your priorities, promising and not delivering on your promise.
6- Your true "god" is what is in your mind most of the time. If GOD Alone is not in your mind 24/7, then you are "out of His protection" through your own choice/decision to have another priority at the forefront of your life.
7-Not following His commands ,when you clearly understand them.
8- When not answering your prayer is for your own good. To correct your ways/to save you further along the line/you asked for the wrong thing...etc.
9- You are still on trial. He knows you better than others or yourself.
10-You simply have the wrong motif for what you are praying for, or you will use it to gain "ego".
Of course there are other reasons....

GOD is there for everyone. We make the decision to enter His "kingdom"- full protection- or stay out of it .
GOD is forgiver most Merciful,if we come out of His "kingdom"- out of His protection- then repent and come back, He forgives us and we are back to receive His promise of answering our genuine needs .i.e back to His "Kingdom"-under His protection-.
Our honesty and intentions must be clean and genuine.
May the Lord keep us under His protection.
GOD bless.
Peace.

amin

nice valid points "good logic"
I will add, why prayers are not answered?

my opinion is we Need not have such worries.
Everything is from Him so we should always be prepared to face everything with thankness to Him? there lies true peace.
We accept our Ignorance before Him, the foremost in our worship, and waiting for guidance is what make ourselves true believers, not closing ourselves.

easier to advice but difficult to face in reality, let the guidance and blessings reach everyone.

imrankhawaja

@good logic. and @ amin

the things i already know and i have a firm beleive on it , i used to say same things to people when they tell me there problems,

everytime i heard the reply in their language that , how can i understand if i m not suffereing,

i think this time i realise when u stuck in some real problem and , spontaneously things changed even matter was looking very simple and clear and due to the mistakes of somebody else you get trouble and nothing is in your hand , the results which i recieved was not my fault at all , somebody else mistake i have to suffer , and mistake was to make God happy and look after people who are in trouble , this of good deed bring a very bad and unfavorable results for me, if i was not so kind with people , the results was different, i m confuse , because the way my problem will gona solve i dnt accept it at first place, it regarding my faith, this time i have to lie for saving my five years hardwork, what should i do. all these questions are like never ending loop, God is watching all this, from last one and half year its not a single day i ask from my God with great emotions and tears , i dnt know what i did wrong , i cant remember either , i ask from God if any of my action of faith you dnt like let me know i wil change it, but recieving no answer, or hint,

before that incident start whatever i ask from Allah he grants me, and he always with me, this time i dnt know what happen, and my need is not a ego, desire or anything, its just my requirement of spending life, its my need not desire, like a food is the need of body.

brothers this time for the first time i m starting fight with God, because the way events happen make me cry every single day with in my self, the results of my work breaks me so much, take everything from me , specially my happiness.i think sometimes since then i changed my traditional way of islam to god alone islam , is it a reason or devil is putting these ideas
on my mind,

i never bring my personal matters on this forum but when i see his post regarding the conditions i could not stop myself

good_logic

Peace Imran.
When I read your post, I thought of this
2214
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is God's victory?" God's victory is near.

May the Lord help and bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

peace @gl

beleive me , from last couple of weeks every night i say something similar , like

my God , where are you,
my God where are you,

my God this time help me plz , lot of things connected ,

but i dnt know suddenly sleep comes

then i say my God where is my ease you promise there is ease after every difficulty.

and the rrot of this work which i m trying or wishing to get done i m stuck in it from last 16 years , you can say that its my need as well as my only wish of life, i never ask money, cars, luxries, education, whatever God gives me i alwasy thankful ,

sometimes i think Allah know what i feel thats why he is testing me like this, but , i m not against the test , but duration is killing me , i have things to sort out which connects with this of my problems, its soooooo late now, when my ease wil come .

its just personal otherwise you guys knnow i m strong person i just share this i was little bit afraid that may b i changed my traditional islam thats y. so i was about to ask if somebody feels same like me. but i think its not the reason , its just my test of faith , lets see when i giveup.

parvez_mushtaq

As per my understanding , Both good and bad have the same weight in the sight of ALLAH Subhanvatala
pl read this verse
Verse 1008

Note that every translator has translated as wealth and it is the only one instance they have used this meaning for the word as wealth
but note its meaning

Kh-Ya-Ra = Be possessed of good, to do good, give one a choice or option (and also be given a choice or option), prefer one thing or person over another thing or person, preferred/pronounced/chosen, strive to surpass one in goodness, excellent in beauty and disposition, to be ideal (show actual or potential usefulness or benefit), be desired in all circumstances and by every person, exalted in rank or quality or reputation, to be better than another person or thing, be the best of things or people, to be generous (possess and show generosity), possess nobility or eminence, be elevated in state or condition.

khayr n.m. 254, 261, 2103, 2105, 2106, 2110, 2158, 2180, 2184, 2184, 2184, 2197, 2197, 2215, 2215, 2216, 2220, 2221, 2221, 2263, 2269, 2271, 2272, 2272, 2273, 2280, 315, 326, 330, 354, 3104, 3110, 3110, 3115, 3150, 3157, 3178, 3180, 3198, 419, 425, 446, 459, 466, 477, 4114, 4127, 4128, 4149, 4170, 4171, 5114, 617, 632, 657, 6158, 712, 726, 785, 787, 789, 7155, 7;169, 7188, 819, 823, 830, 870, 93, 941, 961, 974, 9109, 1011, 1058, 10107, 10109, 1131, 1184, 1186, 1239, 1257, 1259, 1264, 1280, 12;109, 1630, 1630, 1676, 1695, 16126, 1711, 1735, 1836, 1840, 1844, 1844, 1846, 1846, 1881, 1895, 1973, 1976, 1976, 2073, 20131, 2135, 2189, 2211, 2230, 2236, 2258, 2277, 2329, 2372, 2372, 23109, 23118, 2411, 2412, 2427, 2433, 2460, 2510, 2515, 2524, 2736, 2759, 2789, 2824, 2826, 2860, 2880, 2884, 2916, 3038, 3319, 3325, 3439, 3762, 3832, 3847, 3848, 3876, 4140, 4149, 4236, 4332, 4352, 4358, 4437, 4611, 4721, 495, 4911, 4911, 5025, 5443, 5812, 6111, 629, 6211, 6211, 6416, 665, 6812, 6832, 7021, 7041, 7320, 7320, 8717, 934, 973, 987, 997, 1008

khayrat n.f. pl. 2148, 3114, 548, 988, 2173, 2190, 2356, 2361, 3532, 5570

khirah n.f. 2868, 3336

takhayyara vb. (5) impf. act. 5620, 6838

ikhtara vb. (
perf. act. 7155, 2013, 4432
impf. act. 2868

LL, V2, p 464, 465, 466, 467 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=xyr

If we take its original meaning of "Good"than it implies that human wanted to be tested only with good
But for ALLAH subhanavatal both good and bad are the same

is there any other option of getting your problems solved if it is out of the hands, i beleive its only God who bring out ships from storm , its literal meaning are regarding ship and storm but infact the storm indicate all the problmes we faced in our daily life, and so far i believe its only God who can solve problems,

now a days i m suffering from something between faith and problems i m kinda confuse , first time one of work is pending from last couple of months and its not being solved still in process and i really need that happpen quickly , but i m totally blank head and blank vision, sometimes i feel what i m doing is really right or something i m missing,

I believe in GOD factor ,Imran and GL
It may be positive as well as negative .for example ,if we climb ten steps and we get the result of 100 steps than it is the positive GOD factor on the other hand ,after climbing 10 steps is we are pulled down to the second step then it negative GOD factor

what you are experiencing is negative GOD factor ,Imran

some people always get positive GOD factor and some negative always
No one become successful without positive GOD factor .If they say they are successful because of their hard work ,talent etc ...believe me it is big lie .It is because due to this positive GOD factor

Do you know imran ,GL
i been experiencing this negative GOD factor for the past 20 years if not 25 years .with all my hard work i used to climb but at one point when i start to think of flying i feel some one pulls my legs and drags me down .....Negative GOD factor !
Dont worry ,Imran you will stand somewhere and the life will move on and i strongly believe that no one has control upon his life .why bother about the things which we cannot control but never give up some day at some time you will experience this positive GOD factor ,so be in the market

imrankhawaja

waiting for this positive factor from last 32 years of my life, i never complaint to my lord anything whatever i suffer in my life, i always accept, but this time i really need this thing , i love my Allah so so much, why he is not giving me this thing, the question is how long willl this test will go on, how long, i have ***** things to sort out .and i have lot of things to do in my life which all connected on this shit what i m struggling for,, i m just thinking i need to become a little bit bad, and liar otherwise everytime people will use me cheat with me and in return i cannot do anything becoz God dnt like transgressor, God dnt like to do same , god dnt like lies, cheating, i m confuse is it so hard to do everysingle thing according to law.

IAMOP

peace @gl

beleive me , from last couple of weeks every night i say something similar , like

my God , where are you,
my God where are you,

my God this time help me plz , lot of things connected ,

but i dnt know suddenly sleep comes

then i say my God where is my ease you promise there is ease after every difficulty.

and the rrot of this work which i m trying or wishing to get done i m stuck in it from last 16 years , you can say that its my need as well as my only wish of life, i never ask money, cars, luxries, education, whatever God gives me i alwasy thankful ,

sometimes i think Allah know what i feel thats why he is testing me like this, but , i m not against the test , but duration is killing me , i have things to sort out which connects with this of my problems, its soooooo late now, when my ease wil come .

its just personal otherwise you guys knnow i m strong person i just share this i was little bit afraid that may b i changed my traditional islam thats y. so i was about to ask if somebody feels same like me. but i think its not the reason , its just my test of faith , lets see when i giveup.

You are in need of Knowledge of the Way (Sunnatullah) - the Knowledge of how Allah/Source answers requests and performs Judgements and Decrees. It is all with accordance to Supreme Justice, Supreme Truth, All-Encompassing, All-Embracing

A man has said, for one man the Highest Good might be to to make that man wealthy above all others. Yet for another man, the Highest Good might be to make him lose his job, face misery after misery after misery.

You will find your answer between these two places

Except for those who repent, correct themselves, hold fast to Allah , and are sincere in their religion for Allah , for those will be with the believers. And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward. (4146)
What would Allah do with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing. (4147)

And al-Balad

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

I swear by this land.
And you are a resident of this land.
And by a father and what he fathered.
We created man in distress.
Does he think that no one has power over him?
He says, "I have used up so much money."
Does he think that no one sees him?
Did We not give him two eyes?
And a tongue, and two lips?
And We showed him the two ways?
But he did not brave the ascent.
And what will explain to you what the ascent is?
The freeing of a slave.
Or the feeding on a day of hunger.
An orphan near of kin.
Or a destitute in the dust.
Then he becomes of those who believe, and advise one another to patience, and advise one another to kindness.
These are the people of happiness.
But as for those who defy Our revelations-these are the people of misery.
Upon them is a padlocked Fire.
http//www.clearquran.com/090.html

Think of a computer - if a virus enters the computer and the file has gone from 100% to 99% correct, can you run your spaceship on 99% truth? No! Thus is the Purification of the Nafs

One is only earning the Pleasure of our Lord when one is fulfilling the decrees of the Uphill Ascent. This means your entire focus and direction in Life is towards this path, towards Surrender (Islam) to Allah (The Supreme Identity - Al-Ilah, or The Light of the Heavens and Earth - 2435). Everything else is a form of kufr - shirk or munafiq, vanity, wasting time committiing evil and being unjust to oneself. Examine the whole of your Life and see what is in non-alignment with the principle of the Uphill Ascent, and that is the source of your issues.

We all learn this until we wake up and realise we can only choose between taghut/oppression and Deen/Surrender to Higher Love

parvez_mushtaq

Peace brothers-Parvez and Imran-

A good question to ask is why sometimes prayers are not answered?
After all GOD s promise to the believers is " I will answer the prayer to those who sincerely ask!!!!

Is there a contradiction here?

No ,for sure there is no contradiction in GOD s words.
The solution rests on understanding that GOD s promise is only valid if you stay under His protection, stay loyal and do not "move out" of His protection.
We may ask what does that mean?
Here is a list from Qoran that helps us answer this
1- Taking on other "gods" beside GOD Alone. For example relying on somebody else or something else without acknowledging the One above who makes all things happen and possible.
2-Idolising, putting others on the same platform as the One and Only, the Highest.
3- Asking GOD, then not thanking Him , but thanking others ,since GOD made it possible to happen through others.
4- Mentioning others when asking Him, thinking they can intercede on our behalf.
5-Mixing up your priorities, promising and not delivering on your promise.
6- Your true "god" is what is in your mind most of the time. If GOD Alone is not in your mind 24/7, then you are "out of His protection" through your own choice/decision to have another priority at the forefront of your life.
7-Not following His commands ,when you clearly understand them.
8- When not answering your prayer is for your own good. To correct your ways/to save you further along the line/you asked for the wrong thing...etc.
9- You are still on trial. He knows you better than others or yourself.
10-You simply have the wrong motif for what you are praying for, or you will use it to gain "ego".
Of course there are other reasons....

GOD is there for everyone. We make the decision to enter His "kingdom"- full protection- or stay out of it .
GOD is forgiver most Merciful,if we come out of His "kingdom"- out of His protection- then repent and come back, He forgives us and we are back to receive His promise of answering our genuine needs .i.e back to His "Kingdom"-under His protection-.
Our honesty and intentions must be clean and genuine.
May the Lord keep us under His protection.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Thanks GL for your kind words i hope may ALLAH subhanavatala make my our things easier
your were talking about "trail" .i dont know when this things will end in my life
I been waiting for very long years hoping for the mercy of ALLAH subhanvatala
or
i think it is because of his mercy even after this problems my faith in him is increasing

Peace Imran.
When I read your post, I thought of this
2214
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is God's victory?" God's victory is near.

May the Lord help and bless you.
Peace.

You have stolen my words ,GL
lets hope for the best

parvez_mushtaq

waiting for this positive factor from last 32 years of my life, i never complaint to my lord anything whatever i suffer in my life, i always accept, but this time i really need this thing , i love my Allah so so much, why he is not giving me this thing, the question is how long willl this test will go on, how long, i have ***** things to sort out .and i have lot of things to do in my life which all connected on this shit what i m struggling for,, i m just thinking i need to become a little bit bad, and liar otherwise everytime people will use me cheat with me and in return i cannot do anything becoz God dnt like transgressor, God dnt like to do same , god dnt like lies, cheating, i m confuse is it so hard to do everysingle thing according to law.

Oh ,Imran
The best mercy from ALLAH subhanvatala is to give the proper understanding of his religion ,problems are inevitable .Every one have his share of problems
if you are waiting positive factor for 32 years then i think like me you should have accustomed to negative factor .because i knew when i am going to be pulled down but i cannot escape because every time ALLAH subhanvatala plays a new game .so why to worry on obvious

BTW do you know there is place where i have best positive factor
do you want to know it ....it is here on religious forums
I always get much,much more than i expect for
right from the day one ....otherwise i should have lost with ffi goons
but sadly these things never fill my needs
if i get at least 10% of this positive factor in my real life than i will be most grateful to ALLAH subhnavtala

Bender

Peace brothers-Parvez and Imran-

A good question to ask is why sometimes prayers are not answered?
After all GOD s promise to the believers is " I will answer the prayer to those who sincerely ask!!!!

GOD bless.
Peace.

Hi GL,

There is a difference between answering and fulfilling.

imrankhawaja

peace everybody,

actually realsing all things, in the end i feel like when you love anything anyone more than ALLAH here Allah will put a test for you there, and human infact created as weak so he lose his hope and here satan get key to interrept the thoughts of mind , but every situation we face we should humble to God and should accept it rest of the matter leave it on God.

you always lose something you love , some have tested by money, some by family some by both,
but after all,

to him we belong and to him we will return,

thanx everybody for ur advises. group

parvez_mushtaq

ok imran try this dua
.......
This was the dua of Mosa alaisalam when he used to in adversity
and as per Quran better things follows him after this Dua
Surah Qasas ayah 24

I have seen lot of miracles regarding many verses of quran but yet to see these type of miracles
...like dua of Ibrahim alaisalam getting true even today ,zakariayya alaisalam dua getting him a son ...
let me hope i hear this miracle form you , imran

Zulf

You are in need of Knowledge of the Way (Sunnatullah) - the Knowledge of how Allah/Source answers requests and performs Judgements and Decrees. It is all with accordance to Supreme Justice, Supreme Truth, All-Encompassing, All-Embracing

A man has said, for one man the Highest Good might be to to make that man wealthy above all others. Yet for another man, the Highest Good might be to make him lose his job, face misery after misery after misery.

You will find your answer between these two places

Except for those who repent, correct themselves, hold fast to Allah , and are sincere in their religion for Allah , for those will be with the believers. And Allah is going to give the believers a great reward. (4146)
What would Allah do with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing. (4147)

And al-Balad

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

I swear by this land.
And you are a resident of this land.
And by a father and what he fathered.
We created man in distress.
Does he think that no one has power over him?
He says, "I have used up so much money."
Does he think that no one sees him?
Did We not give him two eyes?
And a tongue, and two lips?
And We showed him the two ways?
But he did not brave the ascent.
And what will explain to you what the ascent is?
The freeing of a slave.
Or the feeding on a day of hunger.
An orphan near of kin.
Or a destitute in the dust.
Then he becomes of those who believe, and advise one another to patience, and advise one another to kindness.
These are the people of happiness.
But as for those who defy Our revelations-these are the people of misery.
Upon them is a padlocked Fire.
http//www.clearquran.com/090.html

Think of a computer - if a virus enters the computer and the file has gone from 100% to 99% correct, can you run your spaceship on 99% truth? No! Thus is the Purification of the Nafs

One is only earning the Pleasure of our Lord when one is fulfilling the decrees of the Uphill Ascent. This means your entire focus and direction in Life is towards this path, towards Surrender (Islam) to Allah (The Supreme Identity - Al-Ilah, or The Light of the Heavens and Earth - 2435). Everything else is a form of kufr - shirk or munafiq, vanity, wasting time committiing evil and being unjust to oneself. Examine the whole of your Life and see what is in non-alignment with the principle of the Uphill Ascent, and that is the source of your issues.

We all learn this until we wake up and realise we can only choose between taghut/oppression and Deen/Surrender to Higher Love

In response to the bold text.

What is referenced is sacrifice (as we feel it). It is the shedding of imaginary but oh so strong chains. It is surrender to freedom. Surrender happens when we let go. We let go of pride, ego, fear, selfishness and all sorts of other mental viruses that are haunting and destroying us. It will hurt a little when shedding the bonds, but then it will feel so good. Surrender feels good, because it is good, in alignment with reality.

It is so simple, yet so hard. In itself, there is nothing simpler and easier, but our rebellious condition makes it very tough.

In my humble ignorance at least

Nestor

neither salafi(shai) nor the quranist(JAQ) are correct and the true Islam resides somewhere in between the two

Waleikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatahu brother Mushtaq,

InshaAllah you will eventually discover that true Islam is very far away from either of those.

Barakallahufik Habibi

parvez_mushtaq

Waleikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatahu brother Mushtaq,

InshaAllah you will eventually discover that true Islam is very far away from either of those.

Barakallahufik Habibi

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

The_Guided_One

I am on my way , Bro
we have discussed few points in this thread and hope i will get an opportunity to discuss few more
JazakALLAH

Selam, what is your conclusion about Muslims who follow Quran only, do you have the same questions? Peace