undisputed facts about Quran
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But these books are not all written the same. The Quran has a different story telling method. It's true and it presents the option of belief and disbelief. But it argues for it's self and it breaks down it's agreement to an elementary level. The Quran is right it's obviously true but when you choose to believe you end up with your whole life centering around this.
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Cathlic and Orthodox literature has made a great deal of Mary, but the New testamentte itself is veryhort on Mary ad does ot make a great deal of her. In fact in giving real importance to Mary the Bible amounts to nothing, she is thre like a ghost. What gavve weight to the fiure of Mary ha been the mother-divinity upheld by religionns prvious to Christianity. The Caholics and orthodox had the good sense to acknowledge that a religionn where evverything was male did to appeal to popular belief. to have a feminine part was fundametal to get to the people.
The bible is not precisely a female promoting collection of books.
Salaam
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But these books are not all written the same. The Quran has a different story telling method. It's true and it presents the option of belief and disbelief. But it argues for it's self and it breaks down it's agreement to an elementary level. The Quran is right it's obviously true but
I agree that Quran has a different story telling method, but probably not all will be convinced by the content. Most won't approach it the way we do because they are made to believe by sectarians that all the interpretations found in it are correct. Heehee, we know how much truth lies in that claim.
when you choose to believe you end up with your whole life centering around this.
Are you talking about those who follow only Quran or sectarians? I think most of us center our lives around the book is because we are curious and willing to learn.
I am sorry Wakas for going off topic. Fye, if you wish to discuss it just open a new thread. It is an interesting topic anyways.
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Many atheists come from Christianity and they do dispute the bible. But again, whether someone will accept a Quran depends largely on whether he wants to be guided. Even during Prophet's time, people did reject Quranic chapters/verses. Hence we have
And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.1829
Yep that's how the story progression of the book goes surah 2 the guide introduces himself to the reader
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Reel and huruf
I understand what your saying but Quran only is a sectarian thing too.
You don't want a name it's like making friends you just do your thing and the disciples bring themselves.
Did Jesus name His group of disciples?No man
Keep your circles but don't forget your duty to your fellow believer.
The religion is not something cultural like hats vs turbans. It's just what do you believe and did you hear the story of or ayat of.....I'm an abrahamic monotheist I believe in one God and prophet Abraham's theory of creation. Theist for theist
Theory.Mono one theory
Everything is just pieces.
Have you heard the story of prophet Abraham when he places birds on hill's. They all came and when they met each other they swarmed like particles of cloud flocking in spirals left and right still in flight.Islam is abrahamic monotheism
The kabba is the house of prophet Abraham, may ALLAH bless Muhammad ( the praiseworthy one )
And may those climbing the ranks someday become the messenger.
Ralso I think it's somewhere in surah 2 -
Reel and huruf
I understand what your saying but Quran only is a sectarian thing too.
You don't want a name it's like making friends you just do your thing and the disciples bring themselves.
Did Jesus name His group of disciples?No man
Keep your circles but don't forget your duty to your fellow believer.
The religion is not something cultural like hats vs turbans. It's just what do you believe and did you hear the story of or ayat of.....I'm an abrahamic monotheist I believe in one God and prophet Abraham's theory of creation. Theist for theist
Theory.Mono one theory
Everything is just pieces.
Have you heard the story of prophet Abraham when he places birds on hill's. They all came and when they met each other they swarmed like particles of cloud flocking in spirals left and right still in flight.Islam is abrahamic monotheism
The kabba is the house of prophet Abraham, may ALLAH bless Muhammad ( the praiseworthy one )
And may those climbing the ranks someday become the messenger.
Ralso I think it's somewhere in surah 2The true meaning of sect is inside Quran. None matches us. In order to be sectarian you have to do the following
have doubt about the scripture (4214). Examples "Can you show me salaat in the Quran?"
be confused about the original religion/deen and not investigate what you believe. (2351-54).
use violent towards other out of confusion 665-66You will also find some examples of sects in Quran and one of them happens to be belief in innovation.
I have just found out about the ring theory connected to Quran. Here is the link if someone wishes to investigate it http//www.islam21c.com/islamic-thought/ring-theory-the-qurans-structural-coherence/
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I have just found out about the ring theory connected to Quran. Here is the link if someone wishes to investigate it http//www.islam21c.com/islamic-thought/ring-theory-the-qurans-structural-coherence/
reel its quite interesting and excellent link thanks for sharing..
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Salaam and back to sects
Do you understand how division weakens a whole?
And how can anyone choose to be anything but what ALLAH tells him to be?The believers are simply called the believers throughout the book having a heiarchy of rank a sect would have it's own hierarchy and would be objectors to the whole but the world has changed a but but people are still genetically the same born with the same ideals and to make the same actions over and over again if. A parents rejects faith so will the child so expecting from the parables in previous generations only I only expect at least 3 people to believe with the messenger and at least one will simply be a hipocrate. I like start another post about this.
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Undisputed facts about Quran
1- Quran is written in arabic, this is an undisputed fact see 122, 1337, 16103, 26195 etc...
This simple statement is quiet a "big" argument when I asked the same question to a Christian in which language is the Bible written, answer is not easy as it might seem!!!
What ever old Bible archaeologists may found you will never know if it is the original language or just a translation!!!!2- Quran is written in people's language
433 We have made it a Qur'an in arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
Again this is another argument for my catholic friend )3- Quran does not insult "messengers"
Suleiman is described as a honorable man in Quran
Elias is described as honorable man in Quran
Lot is described as honorable man in Quran
list can go on with Job...- For source wiki https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon
In Islamic tradition, Solomon is venerated as a prophet and a messenger of God, as well as a divinely appointed monarch, who ruled over the Kingdom of Israel. As in Judaism, Islam recognizes Solomon as the son of King David, who is also considered a prophet and a king but contrary to Judaism, Islam completely denies the claim that Solomon had sinned or turned to idolatry.
{{And they followed what the devils taught during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but it was the devils who disbelieved. They taught the people witchcraft and what was revealed in Babylon to the two angels Harut and Marut. They did not teach anybody until they had said, "We are a test, so do not lose faith." But they learned from them the means to cause separation between man and his wife. But they cannot harm anyone except with God's permission. And they learned what would harm them and not benefit them. Yet they knew that whoever deals in it will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable is what they sold their souls for, if they only knew.}}.
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For Elias in the Bible he is described as a man who slaughtered 400 monks see story of Jezabel and Baal
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For Lot in the Bible he is described as a drunk man, his daughter abused of him when he was drunk after the event of Sodom!
4- Quran misguides the perverts people
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He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are not of well-established meaning. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not of well-established meaning. Seeking discord, and searching for its interpretation, but no one knows its true meanings except Allah, and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.Look at the so-called sunnis today cutting of hands, having sexual slaves, making unjust wars etc...
Peace
- For source wiki https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon
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I was recently discussing the topic of undisputed (pretty much) facts about Quran that atheists/agnostics may find interesting, and it was suggested others might find this info helpful, so here is some of them.
If you have some to add, feel free.
Hi,
- As far as I know no human being ever claimed to be its author
- No human (at least nowadays) knows how it came to existence (orally or in written form)
- No human understands it
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Undisputed facts about Quran
1- Quran is written in arabic, this is an undisputed fact see 122, 1337, 16103, 26195 etc...
This simple statement is quiet a "big" argument when I asked the same question to a Christian in which language is the Bible written, answer is not easy as it might seem!!!
What ever old Bible archaeologists may found you will never know if it is the original language or just a translation!!!!2- Quran is written in people's language
433 We have made it a Qur'an in arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
Again this is another argument for my catholic friend )Than why the Quran says in 1404
And that we sent message of a messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them......
Its obvious that Arabic is not the only language of this planet? The Quran was sent in several different languages considering the fact that Messengers were sent in their own languages and it is not sent down in one geographical area! So if the Quran was sent down in Arabic only, what about those other people in this world? How to make things clear to them? ALLAH will never contradict HIMSELF by saying that he will sent messengers in the language of his people in order to make things clear to them but yet only the Arabic Quran was sent down? How can it be undisputed facts?
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Hizbullah,
You may pay attention to that it does not mention Quran in any way. As for the messenger it means the there is a person speaking the tongue of his people in order to reveal information in their own language. Teach about spirituality you can do without a book actually in communion with Allah. This is the danger with belief in a "Holy Book" as people may become obsessed with them. Allah does not guide with books alone and an insightful person can guide "on-the-fly".
Be well
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Amenuel
Yes it does, in case you have forgotten, the Quran is a Book that provide detail explanation. Explain in Arabic only and to the Arabs only?
There are many verses in the Quran that says to believe in the Book, let me quote you one...0202-04
That is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,
And who believe what was sent to you, and what was sent before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain
So we are to believe in the unseen, establish prayer spend out what we get, in what was sent to the Messenger and what was sent before the Messenger....So MOF what was sent to he Messenger and before him, if it was not the Quran?
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Amenuel
Yes it does, in case you have forgotten, the Quran is a Book that provide detail explanation. Explain in Arabic only and to the Arabs only?
There are many verses in the Quran that says to believe in the Book, let me quote you one...0202-04
That is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,
And who believe what was sent to you, and what was sent before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain
So we are to believe in the unseen, establish prayer spend out what we get, in what was sent to the Messenger and what was sent before the Messenger....So MOF what was sent to he Messenger and before him, if it was not the Quran?
For clarification, it sounds to me like you believe that ALL the messengers were given a (physical) Book exactly like Qur'an (in their own language, of course)? Do you believe this?
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For clarification, it sounds to me like you believe that ALL the messengers were given a (physical) Book exactly like Qur'an (in their own language, of course)? Do you believe this?
Yes, that s what the Quran explicitly says,
Quran 1404
And that we sent message of a messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them......
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apart from quran, all other books and scriptures may contain words of God and may contain words of pops, priest,rabbis,historians. and in different versions.
with quran its unique , the original language in which direct revelation recived is there since 1400 years atleast ,
people claiming here its been there since adam or some ar claiming since 4th century bc, but they dnt have any historical proof for this,
some people also think muhammad plagarised it or steal it , this evdence in the light of quran also hold no water,
i want some ideas of different people whats actually it is , and for the people who believe on reverse theories of quran where are their proofs or reasoning so that we all investigate it properly,
peace
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apart from quran, all other books and scriptures may contain words of God and may contain words of pops, priest,rabbis,historians. and in different versions.
with quran its unique , the original language in which direct revelation recived is there since 1400 years atleast ,
people claiming here its been there since adam or some ar claiming since 4th century bc, but they dnt have any historical proof for this,
some people also think muhammad plagarised it or steal it , this evdence in the light of quran also hold no water,
i want some ideas of different people whats actually it is , and for the people who believe on reverse theories of quran where are their proofs or reasoning so that we all investigate it properly,
peace
Te whole thing with the quran is that no one has some real evidence about it's origin.
Best "evidences" what we have are the hadiths and you know how reliable they are. -
Te whole thing with the quran is that no one has some real evidence about it's origin.
Best "evidences" what we have are the hadiths and you know how reliable they are.but the oldest copy of quran which is in birmingham library right now indicated the dates with the the dates of hadith(history)
its muslims who write the earliest history records i can understand hadith are not reliable but all the histories have same reliablity whether it is by muslims jews christians hindus so in light of history and the oldest copies indicates the muhammad was there and the dates are alright . evidences are enough
but again the people who are claiming opposite of it they dnt have any evidence so far , i will not gona beleive on their theories untill it will come to me with proper resoning and proof or any historical evidence.
peace
