undisputed facts about Quran
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how can you so sure about the dates i didnt see any dates 3rd or 4th century in whole quran, and where is the evidence?
Cursive Musnad is a writting script dated on palaeographic grounds to the 3rd / 4th Century CE confirmed by Professor Peter Stein, an expert in Ancient South Arabian script, from the University of Jena, Germany .
now dnt reply me in the same manner about the dates 7th century .
What are you talking about? Rephrase your sentence
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Cursive Musnad is a writting script dated on palaeographic grounds to the 3rd / 4th Century CE confirmed by Professor Peter Stein, an expert in Ancient South Arabian script, from the University of Jena, Germany .
whats in there, whether this so called writting script dated on 1000 bc does it make any difference? obviously arabic was not alien language for prophet, it was developed ages before revelation of quran its quite logical, and thats what aqal(reason) suggest us, if Allah want to talk with you he will talk with you in your native language instead of japanese.
What are you talking about? Rephrase your sentence
forget about it, i was guessing may be you will reply me in same tone about 7th century , although its not wirtten in quran infact any event in quran is not written in dates its due to a reason, this is a timeless book by timeless God, dnt need dates.
again u didnt give me the answer wher does quran say what you claim? in red
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nd one more thing .
professor peter stain,
if he get findings like, 6000 bc, or 1500 ad regarding something about this script, did it mean we blindly follow him or beleive him,
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whats in there, whether this so called writting script dated on 1000 bc does it make any difference? obviously arabic was not alien language for prophet, it was developed ages before revelation of quran its quite logical, and thats what aqal(reason) suggest us,
Where is your proof? Btw my logic is base from the Quran and it shows me that the original and oldest Arabic version Quran was written in Cursive Musnad script not Hijazi or Kufic script or Nastaliq Script! HIJAZI SCRIPT WAS ADOPTED IN THE 4TH CENTURY / 5TH CENTURY
Raqqush Inscription base on Nabatean Aramaic script dated in the 3rd Century. This is Ancient North Arabian script
http//arabetics.com/public/html/DeArabizing_Arabia/DeArabizing_Arabia_Chapter_3_English_files/image001.png
Jabal Ramm inscription dated in the 5th Century. . This inscription is the first oldest so far discovered in the Arabic alphabet. The grammar in this inscription is straightforward classical Arabic.
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image012.gif
So called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription At Umm Al-Jimal. The grammar in this inscription is straightforward classical Arabic.
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image022.jpg
Zebed Inscription So called A Pre-Islamic Trilingual Inscription In Greek, Syriac & Arabic from 5th / 6th Century CE. The Arabic is classical Arabic .
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image005.gif
Jabal Usays InscriptionSo called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription From 528 CE. This is the only so called pre-Islamic Arabic inscription with historical content.
https//s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/4a/ee/904aee273b1a96f93443ade5418661fe.jpg
Harran Inscription So called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription From 568 CE. A Greek-Arabic bilingual inscription from Harran, near Damascus, Syria.
https//squarekufic.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/harran1.png?w=676
One of the two earliest Arabic Kf inscriptions found in Mount Sal`, Madnah, Saudi Arabia. Dated 4 Islamic Hijr calendar (625 CE)
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image014.jpg
In the 3rd and 4th Century CE, only ANA and ASA were use in the north and Yemen respectively.
if Allah want to talk with you he will talk with you in your native language instead of japanese.
Exactly, that was what i am trying to tell you, ALLAH WILL TALK TO US IN OUR NATIVE LANGUAGE AS PER QURAN 1404!
again u didnt give me the answer wher does quran say what you claim? in red
My replied to you in my thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.90
And when you see them, you wonder their personality, and if they speak, you listen to their speech. They were Musnad script wood....
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nd one more thing .
professor peter stain,
if he get findings like, 6000 bc, or 1500 ad regarding something about this script, did it mean we blindly follow him or beleive him,
Say "Travel through the earth and see how ALLAH did originate creation;
Palaeography is the knowledge of ancient and historical handwriting. Experts like Prof Stein confirms of the forms and processes of writing and the textual content of documents. This is what knowledge is all about. Without knowledge, you are nothing, you will only be a blind follower. Thats why ALLAH says travel the earth not only for vacation but also for study purposes.
Furthermore, the most important thing is that the Quran is the manifestation of all things. Whateever the Quran agrees we will accept and what ever the Quran rejects we will reject.
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Exactly, that was what i am trying to tell you, ALLAH WILL TALK TO US IN OUR NATIVE LANGUAGE AS PER QURAN 1404!
And He hasn't stopped "talking" or should I say "communicating"..
Most of the time He's talking not in language at all... but in events and symbols..
We just need to be sensitive enough to listen..Furthermore, the most important thing is that the Quran is the manifestation of all things. Whateever the Quran agrees we will accept and what ever the Quran rejects we will reject.
Incorrect.. God is the manifestation of all things and not some holy book..
Whatever God has PLANNED / Agrees it will HAPPEN and whatever God Reject / Not Planned it will NOT HAPPEN.
The true God's law doesn't need any help from 3rd parties to be enforced.. The true God's law is being enforced automatically..
We just need to accept what God has planned.. whether it's willingly or unwillingly.. happily or angrily.. it's up to us...
Because sometimes what God has planned is not in accordance to our own wishes.. -
The most undisputed facts about Quran are
- Considered to be authored by God by some while some others consider it was authored by human.
- Originally it was written by Human or group of humans somewhere in the middle east region.
The rest are 'subjective' in nature and can be disputed..
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And He hasn't stopped "talking" or should I say "communicating"..
Most of the time He's talking not in language at all... but in events and symbols..
We just need to be sensitive enough to listen..Incorrect.. God is the manifestation of all things and not some holy book..
Whatever God has PLANNED / Agrees it will HAPPEN and whatever God Reject / Not Planned it will NOT HAPPEN.
The true God's law doesn't need any help from 3rd parties to be enforced.. The true God's law is being enforced automatically..
We just need to accept what God has planned.. whether it's willingly or unwillingly.. happily or angrily.. it's up to us...
Because sometimes what God has planned is not in accordance to our own wishes..How do one know the concept of GOD? How do one know the oneness of God is to accept that HE is distinct from everything else? How do one know the concept of GOD if there is no one to teach that GOD exist and that it would not suit GOD s majesty and glory to associate the limited attributes of HIS creation to HIM because HE is not restricted in any way, while HIS creation is. Yes you are absolutely correct, GOD, is a great manifestation of HIS mercy, but how do you now that? HOW Jafar? Do you think all this while it is the wisdom of mankind that this world functions. If you do not KNOW the concept of GOD HOW COULD YOU accept or rather how do you know that it is GOD who planned.. whether it's willingly or unwillingly.. happily or angrily?
If it is not that GOD talk to his Prophets in HIS level thereafter he sent his prophet to talk to us in our level so as to teach, us, mankind, explain HIS decrees, HIS own words and wisdom, thru them. HE show us thru them what we do not know. That is where civilization comes into being. It is GOD who made civilization for mankind by sending HIS Prophets and Messengers. It is not at our own free will. Mankind were at ground zero. Once the message had been finalised thats it! No more Prophets only messengers.
Its human nature to defy things which they are not aware, if suppose GOD would have not sent HIS prophets and a HIS Books, than it will be a different scenario, it will be the opposite of what Jafar had said. The Quran 06157
Nor can you say ?If the Book had been sent down to us, We would have been better guided than they were.?
When GOD send messengers and HIS books, you deny them, and if GOD do not send messengers and HIS books, you will ask, why GOD do not send messengers and HIS books as proves? So this how you will twist and turn, beat around the bush....
The people of Musa saw miracles and yet they denied the GOD in many occasion. Why Jafar?
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Yes you are absolutely correct, GOD, is a great manifestation of HIS mercy, but how do you now that? HOW Jafar? Do you think all this while it is the wisdom of mankind that this world functions. If you do not KNOW the concept of GOD HOW COULD YOU accept or rather how do you know that it is GOD who planned.. whether it's willingly or unwillingly.. happily or angrily?
How? You should ask Him directly...
From my own personal experience it is just a matter of 'realization'..
For you things might be different.. for others things might be different as well..
Everybody has their own role to play...It is not at our own free will. Mankind were at ground zero.
On the absolute level, there is no such thing as 'free' will..
Once the message had been finalised thats it! No more Prophets only messengers.
Nope the message is not yet 'finalised'.. if finalized here you mean no more revelation..
Revelation is a continuing process up until now, and instead of "stopping" it's actually "accelerating"..I don't want to go into "what is prophets or messenger" because truly it doesn't matter, the revelation is what truly matter.. the channel doesn't matter..
Its human nature to defy things which they are not aware, if suppose GOD would have not sent HIS prophets and a HIS Books, than it will be a different scenario, it will be the opposite of what Jafar had said.
The tradition or notion of "Prophets" only exist on a specific culture among human..(Semites / Israelites)
The majority of human doesn't even have this conception of "prophet" or "Gods spokeperson".
And or see themselves as the "Chosen one" and / or "Most enlightened" compared to the other human.What would happen to those without the notion of "prophets"? Well see the humanity all around you now.. they're doing ok, progressing.. rapidly as time progress... they are billions in number... and growing..To some extent those who doesn't have any notion of "prophet" (or holy books) fare better than those who do..
When GOD send messengers and HIS books, you deny them, and if GOD do not send messengers and HIS books, you will ask, why GOD do not send messengers and HIS books as proves? So this how you will twist and turn, beat around the bush....
The people of Musa saw miracles and yet they denied the GOD in many occasion. Why Jafar?
Ergh... billions of those who didn't even have any notion of "God's Spokeperson" or "God's Book" never asked for one.. to them the entire notion of "God has wrote a book" is totally ridiculous..
In the same manner as you find the concept of "God's developed a holy computer application" ridiculous...Regarding Musa, I wasn't even born when that even (supposed) to happen...
I really can't tell what truly happened.. perhaps it never happened at all... perhaps he never exist at all..
So I cannot comment merely on speculation or "based on the story of others"..Last but not least.. God "speaks" through conscience.. never lose your conscience, side with it at all time..
God's revelation hasn't stop... -
Where is your proof? Btw my logic is base from the Quran and it shows me that the original and oldest Arabic version Quran was written in Cursive Musnad script not Hijazi or Kufic script or Nastaliq Script! HIJAZI SCRIPT WAS ADOPTED IN THE 4TH CENTURY / 5TH CENTURY
Raqqush Inscription base on Nabatean Aramaic script dated in the 3rd Century. This is Ancient North Arabian script
http//arabetics.com/public/html/DeArabizing_Arabia/DeArabizing_Arabia_Chapter_3_English_files/image001.png
Jabal Ramm inscription dated in the 5th Century. . This inscription is the first oldest so far discovered in the Arabic alphabet. The grammar in this inscription is straightforward classical Arabic.
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image012.gif
So called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription At Umm Al-Jimal. The grammar in this inscription is straightforward classical Arabic.
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image022.jpg
Zebed Inscription So called A Pre-Islamic Trilingual Inscription In Greek, Syriac & Arabic from 5th / 6th Century CE. The Arabic is classical Arabic .
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image005.gif
Jabal Usays InscriptionSo called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription From 528 CE. This is the only so called pre-Islamic Arabic inscription with historical content.
https//s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/4a/ee/904aee273b1a96f93443ade5418661fe.jpg
Harran Inscription So called Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscription From 568 CE. A Greek-Arabic bilingual inscription from Harran, near Damascus, Syria.
https//squarekufic.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/harran1.png?w=676
One of the two earliest Arabic Kf inscriptions found in Mount Sal`, Madnah, Saudi Arabia. Dated 4 Islamic Hijr calendar (625 CE)
http//arabetics.com/public/html/more/History%20of%20the%20Arabic%20Script_article_files/image014.jpg
In the 3rd and 4th Century CE, only ANA and ASA were use in the north and Yemen respectively.
Exactly, that was what i am trying to tell you, ALLAH WILL TALK TO US IN OUR NATIVE LANGUAGE AS PER QURAN 1404!
My replied to you in my thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.90
all your post is just showing me some arabic test, musnad test, symbol test, watch ancient aliens on H2 channel you will geet lot more i m sure, what does that mean, God is alien by presenting these pictures shit do you think that its proof ,
in more clear way, if i find a text of urdu or persion language dated back 2000 years ago, scientist verify it, does it mean my language was there , i know the history of udu is not more than 200 years old, this language drived from arabic, and persion, so if muahmmad comes this day and start reveling quran in urdu , and some archealogist find a test dated back 150 years old by syed ahmed khan , does it mean urdu quran is also `150 years old, use some common sense atleast.
ok again where is my answer, from quran what you claim? i know u dnt have any answer so stop trying to distract innocent people by these so called writings, its my third time i m asking you what u claim and you are still playing hide and seek with me,
peace God bless you
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ok find me something even a single verse from dated back text of so called musnad , in which we see any quranic verse, of todays quran,
its an open challange come on now, lets see where we are standing,
i just need a single verse on any tablets wodden frame , any leather pad, any animal skin, that indicates quran, do you or anybody in this world have it?if not then i m sorry to even waste my time on this theory anynmore,
the traditonal dates of quran is perfectly match with the oldest manuscript of quran that is in birmingham library.
burden of evidence is on your head ,
Two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript in the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts of the University of Birmingham's Cadbury Research Library were radiocarbon dated in 2015 between 568 and 645, suggesting that it may be among the oldest Quran manuscripts to date
The Mingana Collection, comprising over 3,000 documents, was compiled by Alphonse Mingana, in the 1920s, and was funded by Edward Cadbury, a philanthropist and businessman of the Birmingham-based chocolate-making Cadbury family.
i gave you my proofs of these so called people who are expert in examining the dates. but the difference between my findings and your findings are very different , i provide you my proof of quran, nd you are providing me a shit of arabic text written by someone in 3rd or 4th century, if it was quran then i would have been thinking about it, not arguing with you, hope you got it.
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but the oldest copy of quran which is in birmingham library right now indicated the dates with the the dates of hadith(history)
its muslims who write the earliest history records i can understand hadith are not reliable but all the histories have same reliablity whether it is by muslims jews christians hindus so in light of history and the oldest copies indicates the muhammad was there and the dates are alright . evidences are enough
but again the people who are claiming opposite of it they dnt have any evidence so far , i will not gona beleive on their theories untill it will come to me with proper resoning and proof or any historical evidence.
peace
Hi,
RED The oldest found does not mean it was the first one.
BLUE There was some years ago a study done in the Netherlands about Mohammed, they could not find anything besides the ahadith that indicates the existence of Mohammed. I mean thus sources besides the arab ahadith.
What I like to know is how Chapter 12 (Yusuf) end up in the bible it has not to be neglected similarities with the story in the quran.
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Hi,
RED The oldest found does not mean it was the first one.
i did not say its the first one , i said its the oldest one till date. may be we will find more older than this one in near future, before five years ago who was aware about it.
BLUE There was some years ago a study done in the Netherlands about Mohammed, they could not find anything besides the ahadith that indicates the existence of Mohammed. I mean thus sources besides the arab ahadith.
netherland why you are going so far, some years ago research happened here about jesus christ, moses, noah , but they did not find anything apart from bibilical stories ,
What I like to know is how Chapter 12 (Yusuf) end up in the bible it has not to be neglected similarities with the story in the quran.
its not my headache as i told you bible may contain words of God but also words of other sources, so the stories of bible must be match with quran its something normal and logical, but the stories should filter through quran , if its going agaisnt quran we should be careful.
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@ bender
jsesu christ make dead alive, can anybody prove at this age, apart from bibal or quran,
muhammad was there can anybody prove in this age,apart from quran or hadith,
simply we cannot go back to the age and verify it,
may be bibal and quran are full of stories of old people,
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i did not say its the first one , i said its the oldest one till date. may be we will find more older than this one in near future, before five years ago who was aware about it.
What I wanted to say is that maybe the first one was 2000 or 3000 years ago, we can not say anything about the first one by a found copy.
netherland why you are going so far, some years ago research happened here about jesus christ, moses, noah , but they did not find anything apart from bibilical stories ,
I live there.
BLUE And this has not to be neglected. Why can't we find outside sources?
btw the strange thing is that the "oldest" one (Noah) has more external sources than the younger ones. Everywhere in the world there are some legends and myths about an event which has great similarities with Noah's story.its not my headache as i told you bible may contain words of God but also words of other sources, so the stories of bible must be match with quran its something normal and logical, but the stories should filter through quran , if its going agaisnt quran we should be careful.
Maybe it's not your headache, but for those who want to study the origin these kind of things have not to be neglected.
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What I wanted to say is that maybe the first one was 2000 or 3000 years ago, we can not say anything about the first one by a found copy.
I live there.BLUE And this has not to be neglected. Why can't we find outside sources?
btw the strange thing is that the "oldest" one (Noah) has more external sources than the younger ones. Everywhere in the world there are some legends and myths about an event which has great similarities with Noah's story.
Maybe it's not your headache, but for those who want to study the origin these kind of things have not to be neglected.ok what i understand is we did not get eachother properly? untill i will listen about your understanding of muhammad,
with respect to quran , about the other sources i and u know very well , about their realibilty .
first tell me according to your understanind who muhammad is? where was he? or it was not a muhammad at all? forget about any history of muslims or christians , just anlyse it and i m sure you already research about it, so share ur understanding of muhammad with me, then we will proceed talk in a manner we both understand.
peace.
noah ark is also mention in quran , and history verify it, soddom and gomorrah, and lot of other things , are in perfec t harmony with quran , but we always doubt about the refferd person of book at that time he was present there so it must be something that raise questions regarding his personality. may be you are not getting what i try to say i make it simple,
let say today 2016 ad a messenger X comes up with live miracles and its sure its from God and tells us the stories of old including muhammad what he done where was he , how he wirte and collect quran, and after 1400 years, in 3400 ad we will ask who was x there is nothing mention about him in the book what he given us, we need to see wikipedia todays tenology that is recording the records of individual, can we rely on wikipedia we all know how its works,
mr x God mention four time in new quran and now we have nothing to prove who was mr x,
the present tense and past tense are in different sturucture, when quran was revelaing prophet was present, gabriel didnnot directly hand over this quran to humanity i think.
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all your post is just showing me some arabic test, musnad test, symbol test, watch ancient aliens on H2 channel you will geet lot more i m sure, what does that mean, God is alien by presenting these pictures shit do you think that its proof ,
What I have shown you are Ancient North Arabian Text and Classical Arabic Text which you do not have any knowledge whatsoever. you have been watching too much H2 channel and to you GOD IS ALIEN. You have the right to your own opinion
in more clear way, if i find a text of urdu or persion language dated back 2000 years ago, scientist verify it, does it mean my language was there , i know the history of udu is not more than 200 years old, this language drived from arabic, and persion, so if muahmmad comes this day and start reveling quran in urdu , and some archealogist find a test dated back 150 years old by syed ahmed khan , does it mean urdu quran is also `150 years old, use some common sense atleast.
So much gibberish!
ok again where is my answer, from quran what you claim? i know u dnt have any answer so stop trying to distract innocent people by these so called writings, its my third time i m asking you what u claim and you are still playing hide and seek with me,
It seems that you do not have a single knowledge of Quran and the history of the Middle East. You cannot comprehend simple English! You dont even bother to read what i have shown and talking gibberish!
This will be the third time in which i will show you the Quranic evidence
My replied to you in my thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.90
Quote from Hizbullah on May 17, 2016, 105846 PM
Q6304 - And when you see them, you wonder their personality, and if they speak, you listen to their speech. They were Musnad script wood....There are more Quranic evidences and historical evidences, but whats the point showing to those who do not have the capacity of differentiating the truth and falsehood.
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ok find me something even a single verse from dated back text of so called musnad , in which we see any quranic verse, of todays quran,
its an open challange come on now, lets see where we are standing,
i just need a single verse on any tablets wodden frame , any leather pad, any animal skin, that indicates quran, do you or anybody in this world have it?if not then i m sorry to even waste my time on this theory anynmore,
Please read and if you do not understand, get an interpretor - http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.90
the traditonal dates of quran is perfectly match with the oldest manuscript of quran that is in birmingham library.
burden of evidence is on your head ,
Two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript in the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts of the University of Birmingham's Cadbury Research Library were radiocarbon dated in 2015 between 568 and 645, suggesting that it may be among the oldest Quran manuscripts to date
The Mingana Collection, comprising over 3,000 documents, was compiled by Alphonse Mingana, in the 1920s, and was funded by Edward Cadbury, a philanthropist and businessman of the Birmingham-based chocolate-making Cadbury family.
The Birmingham Quran was written in Hijazi / Jazm script. Historical evidences which i have shown you were written in Hijazi script. This script base on C14 and paleography, dated sometime in the 5th to the 6th Century CE. This script was used for writing Classical Arabic, the same as the Quranic Arabic. By early 7th Century CE, the written scipt used were mostly Kufic . If this is the case, it is plausible the Birmingham Quran was written in the Middle of the 6th Century where the so called Arab prophet was not even born yet! Furthermore, the 3,000 documents compiled by Mingana were not all Quranic but mostly Biblical written in Syriac script.
i gave you my proofs of these so called people who are expert in examining the dates. but the difference between my findings and your findings are very different , i provide you my proof of quran, nd you are providing me a shit of arabic text written by someone in 3rd or 4th century, if it was quran then i would have been thinking about it, not arguing with you, hope you got it.
I have already given you the GREATEST PROOF, THE QURAN 6304. As the Quran says, it is a manifestation of all things, indeed, it manifest itself to those who use their faculties of intelligent, eyesight and hearing.
For those who refuse and love to follow sectarian conjectures, the Quran says
Q0218 - Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return
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How? You should ask Him directly...
From my own personal experience it is just a matter of 'realization'..
For you things might be different.. for others things might be different as well..
Everybody has their own role to play...
On the absolute level, there is no such thing as 'free' will..
Nope the message is not yet 'finalised'.. if finalized here you mean no more revelation..
Revelation is a continuing process up until now, and instead of "stopping" it's actually "accelerating"..I don't want to go into "what is prophets or messenger" because truly it doesn't matter, the revelation is what truly matter.. the channel doesn't matter..
The tradition or notion of "Prophets" only exist on a specific culture among human..(Semites / Israelites)
The majority of human doesn't even have this conception of "prophet" or "Gods spokeperson".
And or see themselves as the "Chosen one" and / or "Most enlightened" compared to the other human.What would happen to those without the notion of "prophets"? Well see the humanity all around you now.. they're doing ok, progressing.. rapidly as time progress... they are billions in number... and growing..To some extent those who doesn't have any notion of "prophet" (or holy books) fare better than those who do..
Ergh... billions of those who didn't even have any notion of "God's Spokeperson" or "God's Book" never asked for one.. to them the entire notion of "God has wrote a book" is totally ridiculous..
In the same manner as you find the concept of "God's developed a holy computer application" ridiculous...Regarding Musa, I wasn't even born when that even (supposed) to happen...
I really can't tell what truly happened.. perhaps it never happened at all... perhaps he never exist at all..
So I cannot comment merely on speculation or "based on the story of others"..Last but not least.. God "speaks" through conscience.. never lose your conscience, side with it at all time..
God's revelation hasn't stop...You did not answer the first few sentences of my question?
Let me tell you the story of Abraham. Now Abraham who was also stated in the Hindu Book of high dignitary, even god. He was called Brahma in the Hindu book.
Quran 0274 - 82
And, when Abraham said to his father Azar, "Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error."
And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain
So when the night covered him , he saw a star. He said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "I like not those that disappear."
And when he saw the moon rising, he said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with.
Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, a true monotheist, and I am not of the the polytheists.
And his people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me concerning ALLAH while He has guided me? And I fear not what you associate with HIM unless my Lord should will something. My Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; then will you not remember?
And how should I fear what you associate while you do not fear that you have associated with ALLAH that for which HE has not sent down to you any authority? So which of the two parties has more right to security, if you should know?
They who believe and do not mix their belief with injustice - those will have security, and they are guided.
Prophet Abraham was a knowledgeable man, he used his faculties of intelligence, eyesight and hearing. With this he was granted Prophethood. He conveyed the message to his people but they ignored him. They attempted to kill him but were not successful and he managed to escape.
They who believe and do not mix their belief with injustice - those will have security, and they are guided.
If your are a Deist and believe in the last days as the Quran confirms that those who believe in ONE GOD and the Last Days, you are Muslim. That is good enough! How many in this world will even be a Deist if its not for the message that GOD sent to mankind. Those who are successful, probably have a Deist believe in them. As long as you believe in the ONE LORD and the Last days, you are safe. GOD knows there are people like you and HE already conveyed that message. You and me do not know if not for the message of the messengers that were conveyed to our forefathers.
Q4914 - The Arabs said, "We are Mu'mens (believers)." Say, "You have not believed; what you should say is, 'We are Muslims (submitters),' until belief is established in your hearts." If you obey GOD and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.