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Was Muhammed the first muslim?

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    NielsJacob
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    Peace.

    Was Muhammed the first Muslim?

    614......Say "I have been commanded to be the first who submits." And do not be of the polytheists.

    or was Abraham 6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a straight path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists."

    Wasn`t the messengers before Muhammed all Muslims?

    Please if you could help solve this problem I would be glad. Inshallah

    God bless..

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      Linguistically al-muslimeen is not a label but a descriptive attribute. By that, Abraham was muslim, not A muslim. It means that you are sound and usually refers to that your mind and soul is at peace rather than restless and shattered.

      It is clear in the Semitic greeting 'salam/selam' (in some dialects you still say the proper pronunciation selam) in which you wish a person good health similar to the archaic hail in English from the Germanic 'hel' which means whole.

      Miim in 'Me-selam' (muslim) is giving status of someone as 'selam' and AL makes the phrase adjectival.

      The first successful prophet was 'muslim' so even Adam was one. The person who comes alive and quits being an indulging and mindless primate is muslim. Everyone else is not muslim (sound) as they are living in a deluded reality induced by their body which is not made to identify with in order to pass along.

      Be well
      Amenuel

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        Jafar
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        Was Muhammed the first Muslim?

        No he wasn't..
        He didn't recite the shahada properly and he didn't read the Quran..

        Infact he's an aposthate and a murtad because he claimed himself to be a prophet...
        If he relived again his life today, the Muslim will definitely kill him...

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          NielsJacob
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          Hej/Salam )

          Linguistically al-muslimeen is not a label but a descriptive attribute. By that, Abraham was muslim, not A muslim. It means that you are sound and usually refers to that your mind and soul is at peace rather than restless and shattered.

          It is clear in the Semitic greeting 'salam/selam' (in some dialects you still say the proper pronunciation selam) in which you wish a person good health similar to the archaic hail in English from the Germanic 'hel' which means whole.

          Miim in 'Me-selam' (muslim) is giving status of someone as 'selam' and AL makes the phrase adjectival.

          The first successful prophet was 'muslim' so even Adam was one. The person who comes alive and quits being an indulging and mindless primate is muslim. Everyone else is not muslim (sound) as they are living in a deluded reality induced by their body which is not made to identify with in order to pass along.

          Be well
          Amenuel

          Nice post and thanks for the explanation
          Thats the definition of Muslim.
          But that doesn?t explain why its mentioned that Muhammed should be the first muslim as in 614.

          But after reading your post. a possible understanding of 614 could be, that Muhammed was the first to be called Muslim.

          Maybe he wasn?t the first with his mind and soul in peace. But the first to bedescribed as in that state, using that specific arabic word'Me-selam' (muslim)

          Let me hear what you think regarding this..

          God bless

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            lostINtheWORLD
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            Peace.

            Was Muhammed the first Muslim?

            614......Say "I have been commanded to be the first who submits." And do not be of the polytheists.

            or was Abraham 6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a straight path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists."

            Wasn`t the messengers before Muhammed all Muslims?

            Please if you could help solve this problem I would be glad. Inshallah

            God bless..

            Aleikum salam;

            Who Was the First Muslim? is the title of the Christian apologist web Answering Islam article written by Jochen KATZ and Sam SHAMOUN http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/first_muslim.htm

            Here the answer from the Sunno-apologist web Answering Christianity by Sami ZAATARI http//www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltosamshamoun40.htm

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              hanslan
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              according to Q, abraham was the 1st.

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                NielsJacob
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                Peace Lost in the world

                I followed your second link.

                It could all be summed up like this Muhammed was the first muslim among his people.

                Its just left me with the question Why was it written like that in Quran then?

                Maybe someone can explain..

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                  Peace.

                  Was Muhammed the first Muslim?

                  614......Say "I have been commanded to be the first who submits." And do not be of the polytheists.

                  or was Abraham 6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a straight path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists."

                  Wasn`t the messengers before Muhammed all Muslims?

                  Please if you could help solve this problem I would be glad. Inshallah

                  God bless..

                  Peace NielsJacob

                  Muhammad was the first of his people (the Quraish) to submit (return/preach) 6/14,
                  like Moses was the first of his congregation to (return/acknowledge)7/143
                  Try not to put words in God's mouth.
                  The Quran never states that Muhammad
                  was the first "ever" Muslim.

                  26/51 ?Verily! We really hope that our Lord will forgive us our sins, as we
                  are the first of the believers (in Moses)
                  and in the Monotheism which he has brought from Allah.

                  Logically how could Muhammad be the first believer nope

                  peace

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                    agphys
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                    Read this! Sura tawba from the holy quran

                    http//quran.com/9

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                      IAMOP
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                      Believe it or not the correct meaning, i.e. the way it actually was used by them, is for them to be the first of those who submit.

                      I.e. if I am being the first of those who surrender, I am not waiting to watch other people to see if I should surrender or not. I am not waiting for Tom to surrender so then I will surrender after him, I am not waiting for Dick or Harry either. I am going to be the leader and everyone will see me surrender first and foremost.

                      The reason for this is that it renders the bystander effect null and void, where say an accident happens and nobody calls the ambulance because they expect someone else to, so Abraham is commanded to be the first of those to call the ambulance. Allah knows everything about human nature. As Gandhi said, be the voice of truth even if you are alone.

                      What would happen if everybody was called to serve Allah, nobody was serving Allah, then the quran was sent down without that command and everybody still did not serve Allah because they were waiting for someone else to heed the call because they were afraid of being the only one who served Allah?

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