the few, believers at the time of the messengers
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Things are nnotlike that this or that or all or othinng. Usually lives last a number of years, some times closer to 100 than to 50. So it CANNOT be all or nothing. More than a poit it is a long way. Sometimes even just a day is a long way.
Sme peoplemay go through ife, even a long life, without ever feeling te need to choose something. Thigs seem tofall on their lap. On te other hand,other people strive ot of the ties with difficult choices nd hard experiences.
So really this allor nothig is far from most realities which are a way i which we may make mmisakes thingking we are doig right and sometimes doig wrong and getting good results an between those ends many other possibilities. We learn, or we could learn. We learn to forgive ourelve d to forgive others, to be patient with ourselves and with othersannd laugh at our own weaknesses.
So even more or at leat as much as a choice, life is a learning, where good or bad is not the difening line but learning and improvement are.
Slaam
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Feel great post but consider this
We all have to set points point a is life and point b is death
How many common occurrence happen to each human being inbetween these points.
I started with the simple like breathing air meeting another human being and eating food.
Now growing hair and getting taller or fatter
Then common interactions with people
Its like everyone lives the same life the life of the prophet of their time.
Like prophet Adam set the example and then another prophet came to show people how to live and it became a common event in everyone's lives.So maybe to get to heaven the goal of life is to be as different from the whole as possible?
One messenger and his family survives will worlds are wiped away this is the story in our holy books.
Any thoughts why we believe in freewill when everything is very uniform?
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Things are nnotlike that this or that or all or othinng. Usually lives last a number of years, some times closer to 100 than to 50. So it CANNOT be all or nothing. More than a poit it is a long way. Sometimes even just a day is a long way.
Sme peoplemay go through ife, even a long life, without ever feeling te need to choose something. Thigs seem tofall on their lap. On te other hand,other people strive ot of the ties with difficult choices nd hard experiences.
So really this allor nothig is far from most realities which are a way i which we may make mmisakes thingking we are doig right and sometimes doig wrong and getting good results an between those ends many other possibilities. We learn, or we could learn. We learn to forgive ourelve d to forgive others, to be patient with ourselves and with othersannd laugh at our own weaknesses.
So even more or at leat as much as a choice, life is a learning, where good or bad is not the difening line but learning and improvement are.
Slaam
Salaam huruf
And whoa whoa I'm good inshallah I'm not going through a thing right now may ALLAH protect us all from unhappiness.But we have iblis ALLAH's curse be upon him he's going to gell no matter what right?
Then we have the angels who will simply avoid the punishments but will also be judged
In the middle is man the middle man
So are on heights some are in the earth the depthsIn surah two just the first 20 or so verses we see people who will burn in he'll.
Verse 100 of surah 2 speaks of magic buying blasphemers.
Surah 9 if anyone kills a believer his reward is he'll
Say in a room of 100 people at least 25 are these people
So 25 are going to hell no matter what and 75 of these people are not undecided but unidentified we can't tell yet.You tell people about Islam in this room, 2 people like it but are not ready for it not even to make their decision but have pushed away the opportunity of faith and 15 are Muslim. 3 believe in nothing, 45 are Christian Catholic and Trinitarian,
And 10 are deaf dumb and blind medically disabled.So we have a verse if anyone wants a religion other than Islam it will no be accepted of them.
And which holy book does not curse the deaf dumb and blind? Of in word probably in deed.So we have the 3 anti-theist they have no theist or theory in how life started or why. They die and go into a black hole or something else they don't understand but refuse to study.
So now we have the 15 Muslims enjoy some date juice( a reference to the racial joke in the boondocks saints movie)
And they begin to pray
One points toward the kabba and the others don't
They begin to talk after prayer....
10 are sectarian Sufi Sunni Shia blah blah blah
Now it's just 5 people leftThey just follow the Quran
They begin to speak about their beliefs....
One says hadith and two more speak about muhammad
Now just two they make no difference between the messengers.
One says the kabaa is the house of prophet Abraham and they begin to speak about how the religion of Islam is Abrahamic not muhammadanian
Islam like Ishmael should have been clue enough and one of these two say
I've read the whole Quran and I am the messenger the other says no way I refuse to believe you....
There is a verse speaking of those who oppose ALLAH and his messenger and nothing for them but the fires of he'll....
How many out of these 100 has done what they must and gone to heaven to. Meet their lord in good standing
How many have gone to heaven?
How many will burn in hell?Remember personal feelings aside these verses are true when they are damned ALLAH gives them their goods on the earth so they have no reason to collect mail and rewards in paradise with the believers.
This is more of what I was aiming at.
People go to hell because they have reached a common down fall an event that proves to them why they are going to hell so they can have no right ful objection.
Maybe post some verse you recall or remember or something if we just talk about this it makes it easier to understand and remember like a mutual consultation. Thanks to both post may ALLAH bless the believers among us. -
Feel great post but consider this
Thanks )
We all have to set points point a is life and point b is death
How many common occurrence happen to each human being inbetween these points.
I started with the simple like breathing air meeting another human being and eating food.
Now growing hair and getting taller or fatter
Then common interactions with people
Its like everyone lives the same life the life of the prophet of their time.
Like prophet Adam set the example and then another prophet came to show people how to live and it became a common event in everyone's lives.Its great that you have seen what is going on with humans. I thought about it for a while too and then moved to how sectarians interpret Islam. None made sense to me. The one you have above is the definition of every ordinary life.
Now when it comes to sectarians' interpretation it is not so different. In their view, we are to just pray 5 times a day because somewhere in the Quran Allah said that he made humans and jinn to worship him. And then there are some other pillars which we must uphold. In between, there will be our professional work to make sure that the family is not starving. So both the groups aim for a ritualistic lifestyle. However, then came in my head that since majority in the Muslim nations are performing the rituals God should be far more kind to them. Unfortunately, we see the opposite. Their comfort is mostly imported from the west and east. They are not producing anything for the humanity. The ordinary human in the western society who goes with the flow can be seen in the same way. He does not question. He works, gets some girlfriends, then marries, divorces, marries, retires and then dies. In between he becomes the victim of friends' nonsense ideas, government theft, corporations, doctors, scams of feminism and much more. That is a life gone to waste and many realize it only after they are left by their kids to live in senior citizen housings.
But here is something interesting
We have eyes, hands and legs. Little limited in power. But that is compensated by other things.
We have a brain which can analyze things.
We can remember a thing for many many years.
We are capable of learning difficult things.
We have feelings.We can stay faithful to them.
We can get overly curious and actually satisfy it no matter how many years it takes. This has link to patience which happens to be our another feature.
We are more powerful than every creature on this planet when it comes to "change"
The earth has plenty of resources. By now, we know how to utilize most of them.So you see, we are more unique than all other creatures and this can't be coincidence. Interestingly, there are so many verses telling humans to think and learn about Allah's signs. It seems to me that the purpose of all humans is civilization. At least this is what I understand from
And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."231He said, "O Adam, inform them of their names." And when he had informed them of their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed."232
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason. 822
Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding.Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.3190-191
I do believe Allah has given every human the power to be Macgyver P
Prophets taught humans to be sober. So they weren't so ordinary.Our old age and death are Allah's way to keep our arrogance in check. We humans can be gruesome.
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Considering your post reel which is always good posting
Do you believe everyone gets the opportunity to be the prophet or messenger but they simply refuse or turn back?
Since we all have similar conditions the comfort of the rich is so the ties of kinship shared by the poor don't make them say well they lived better than us.
Like accepting faith we all get a chance to be a Muslim just few accept and many turn back.Does anyone agree we all get a chance to be the messenger?
What does a messenger do but spread the message?
Who hasn't taught a man? Who here has not sanctified people and instructed them in wisdom?
Who here has experienced negative reactions to their intelligence and simply stopped teaching or being themselves? ( setting the example)Maybe like surah ya sin we are all the messenger of all but like in surahs 2-3 many turn away and reject faith( duty to ALLAH)
And like my more recent topic there are thens people do which will make them an unbeliever for life ( at least destined to remain in the fire and not pass through)
Can anyone agree this seems the best and fairest way these things happen which prophet was born with super powers?
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Considering your post reel which is always good posting
And your questions are always interesting.
Do you believe everyone gets the opportunity to be the prophet or messenger but they simply refuse or turn back?
Plenty of people still claim to be messengers. If we try to think about those described in the Quran then no. It seems that the message must not have contradiction.
Since we all have similar conditions the comfort of the rich is so the ties of kinship shared by the poor don't make them say well they lived better than us.
Like accepting faith we all get a chance to be a Muslim just few accept and many turn back.Aren't humans always longing for something? The grass is always greener on the other side.
Does anyone agree we all get a chance to be the messenger?
What does a messenger do but spread the message?
Who hasn't taught a man? Who here has not sanctified people and instructed them in wisdom?
Who here has experienced negative reactions to their intelligence and simply stopped teaching or being themselves? ( setting the example)Maybe like surah ya sin we are all the messenger of all but like in surahs 2-3 many turn away and reject faith( duty to ALLAH)
And like my more recent topic there are thens people do which will make them an unbeliever for life ( at least destined to remain in the fire and not pass through)
Can anyone agree this seems the best and fairest way these things happen which prophet was born with super powers?
Animals are born able to walkNormal messenger yes. But like the ones described in the Quran, maybe no. They brought books which had no contradiction. Here we struggle even with as simple as copyright law. That is also because of our greed, arrogance and fear.
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You steppes outside the bounds of Islam.
Your making differences between the messengers.
They were all the same guy some made hang guliders and brass and others make iPhones and turn sand into clear solid air (glass)
There are no miracles just men bringing sciencesThe messenger is simply a solitary one among a group of people a lonely person in a sense a but out world ish
Face is covered in light if he has the holy ghost similar to blink in d&d. (the spell, lol)
The revealayion was not brought down by these men it was brought down by Gabriel the spirit of inspiration the messenger is in tune with Gabriel he learns and teaches what he learns knowing it's important and believing what is learned (revealled).
Careful next time you know what happens if you turn back from faith lol
No no I'm just messing with you reel thanks as always great post. -
You steppes outside the bounds of Islam.
Your making differences between the messengers.
They were all the same guy some made hang guliders and brass and others make iPhones and turn sand into clear solid air (glass)
There are no miracles just men bringing sciencesThe messenger is simply a solitary one among a group of people a lonely person in a sense a but out world ish
Face is covered in light if he has the holy ghost similar to blink in d&d. (the spell, lol)
The revealayion was not brought down by these men it was brought down by Gabriel the spirit of inspiration the messenger is in tune with Gabriel he learns and teaches what he learns knowing it's important and believing what is learned (revealled).
Careful next time you know what happens if you turn back from faith lol
No no I'm just messing with you reel thanks as always great post.lol, thanks ;D
The Self is One, it is your true Identity
From the unborn, that which is born arises.
These two sentences are sufficient enough to direct you towards the inner truth
True. That said, some specific kind of personalities have trouble accepting their inner truth. They need the society to tell them what to do. This is what make things a bit sticky.
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Does anyone know the history of the pagan kabba when it was filled with idols? In the times of Muhammad he was the only believer and the arabs and their father's were pretty devoted to those idols and they have always been in the ways of their father's even to date their pagan Mecca father's names and legacies are still kept.
I just have this wierd idea that if given the option they would still be pagan to date or simply going along with Islam for power reasons.
They did outcast Muhammad and even his grandsons any legacies and stories of believers in Mecca before the coming of Muhammad? Maybe a messenger preaching against pagan worship? -
I just have this wierd idea that if given the option they would still be pagan to date or simply going along with Islam for power reasons.
I have no idea how many pagan things the traditionalists are doing currently, but didn't Mr Muslim say he included preIslamic teachings in his sahih fabrications? I think that pretty much is a nail in the coffin. And this seems to have come from pagan belief
Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Number 75 http//sunnah.com/bukhari/56/75
Narrated Sahl bin Sad Saidi Allah's Messenger (ﷺ said "If there is any evil omen in anything, then it is in the woman, the horse and the house." Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Number 74 http//sunnah.com/bukhari/56/74 Narrated Abdullah binUmar I heard the Prophet (ﷺ saying. "Evil omen is in three things The horse, the woman and the house."Similar to Hindu superstition
It is considered a bad omen when a person sets out, to meet, or to see in front of him, any of the following ?a woman with plaited red hair 1, a widow, a new pot, a whirlwind, drops of rain, a bundle of firewood, a single Brahmin, an oil-monger, a pariah, a lame man, men quarrelling, men in suffering, men with dishevelled hair, a hunchback, a leper, invalids, buttermilk, oil, empty pots, grass, bones, a bundle of dirty clothes, smoking fire or various other things which are mentioned. It is not a good sign to see an ass either to the west, the north-west, the south-west or the south-east with its head hanging down and braying ; or to see a crow, a parrot, a stork, a heron, or a jackal pass from the right to the left.http//www.oldandsold.com/books/hindu/hindu-14.shtmlIn the times of Muhammad he was the only believer and the arabs and their father's were pretty devoted to those idols and they have always been in the ways of their father's even to date their pagan Mecca father's names and legacies are still kept.
Back to square one now if you look around you P
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No no the hadith is about money being the root of all evil. Recall that verse where things men Covent are meantioned. The Hindu thing is a luck based superstition.
Everything given is a trial and for worldly convience. Also consider money goes into these things it's a minius months pocket.
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That argument stands for them in that case.
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Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).
A woman from the tribe of Khath`am asked the Prophet , "Tell me what is the right of the husband over the wife? For I am an unmarried woman and I shall marry if I can, otherwise I shall remain unmarried." He said
"The right of the husband over the wife is that if he wants her she must not prevent him, even if she were sitting on the back (z.ahr) of a camel. Also among his rights is that she must not give out anything from his house except by his permission. Otherwise, she shall bear the burden of sin while he shall obtain the reward.Also among his rights is that she must not fast a single day voluntarily without his permission;2if she does, then she has only gone hungry and thirsty and it shall not be accepted from her. She must not leave his house except by his permission, she is cursed by the angels of the heaven, by the angels of mercy, and by the angels of punishment until her return." "Even if he is a wrongdoer ?" "Even if he is a wrongdoer." -
Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).
A woman from the tribe of Khath`am asked the Prophet , "Tell me what is the right of the husband over the wife? For I am an unmarried woman and I shall marry if I can, otherwise I shall remain unmarried." He said
"The right of the husband over the wife is that if he wants her she must not prevent him, even if she were sitting on the back (z.ahr) of a camel. Also among his rights is that she must not give out anything from his house except by his permission. Otherwise, she shall bear the burden of sin while he shall obtain the reward.Also among his rights is that she must not fast a single day voluntarily without his permission;2if she does, then she has only gone hungry and thirsty and it shall not be accepted from her. She must not leave his house except by his permission, she is cursed by the angels of the heaven, by the angels of mercy, and by the angels of punishment until her return." "Even if he is a wrongdoer ?" "Even if he is a wrongdoer."This i very good, because nomatter how worthless a man is, he can alway attain to the phantatic sensation of being a god for others, or one other , but finally a lord and god for her.
Of course that is ony good for one halfof humanity, the other half is expendable, just a thing. If that is not pervertig men ad humilliating women I don't know what it is.
Of course in actual reality, some couples, or many may have followed that satanic mindset, but many others, in spite of the satanic injunctions have in fact lived happily without lording or being lorded over.
Salaam
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Why the omen does not include a man in the list?
Every religion is based in a messenger the messenger comes to warn to remind. If not for a man or some guy who would even both to think deeply about creation? All religions even the Hindus had a messenger yet he has opposition. Look at their statues don't they look like men? Did the idol worship idols when they were simply men? I once went to a budhist temple and I saw the many budhas I knew them each had a focus sword in hand a messenger or teacher of war and it goes on who they are and what they were remembered for.
Some Hindus were remembered for their live of elephants protecting them through their lives. Statues are not much different from mirrols showing a man and what he loved. -
Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).
reel i remeber a joke while reading this post.
a girl come to scholar and ask,
girl mr scholar can i sleep with my boyfriend?
scholar(traditional one) no. say astagfairullah.girl . ok can i sleep with my father ?
scholar no never , say astagfirrulah.girl ok can i sleep with my brother?
scholar get angry. never at any cost, devil is coming inside you say astagfirullah.girl ok can i sleep with you mr scholar?
scholar feeling shy and say bismillah, there should be no delay in doing good deed. rotfl rotfl